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Posted by yupvirgoothank you that's beautiful.
My wife and I both have moon in the 8th.
"Happiness in the 8th house is only found by letting go of the desire to control others or gain through them."
"A person with such a placement will be fascinated rather quickly by something new, especially if it is forbidden or secret. The Moon is capable of bringing intense feelings, yet they can fade away the same easily. As the 8th house is ruled by Scorpio and Pluto, the Moon inherits a lot of their traits. The Moon does not feel comfortable in the realm of Scorpio and tends to show its cruel face, expressing jealousy, suspicion and obsession."
the way the authoress describes it, is that it's OK to do it if you're a scorpio.
that it's OK to go ahead and steal other people's money, power, success, men, women, ect.
properties.
it sounds opportunistic.
and lacks moral.
which she says, "morals are man-made," or an arbitrurary man-made thing from human's minds.
so basically, you go from man to man if you feel an intense connection each time??
that would be very slutty.
so what happens if they go against TWO scorpio women over one man??
(no offense or pun against scorpio in general, but the authoress is scorpio sun/9th houser)
I want to get a DEEPER understanding, why people should hurt other people?
because from what I also read, that she (the authoress) really hates cheating too.
so I found it really weird.
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--- basically what one other poster here said, before.
about Tori Spelling, "Cheat with me, but not on me" -- by DeeDee.
I couldn't do it. I'd always question him for leaving his wife/gf even though it was to be with me. And I'd live in fear of the day he leaves me for the next woman.
Posted by P6X58DEI know you wouldn't. you have strong morals.
I have no 8th house placements but i'm reading replies as this is interesting.
Posted by lisabethur8I always say that you hope that scorps and capricorns have a good set of morals and values because they have a lot of power to use in the way they believe is right.
would you steal a man or woman from someone?? would you consider yourself righteous?? or just keep your boundaries?
do you believe what she says?
open to all, this is a good 8th house topic.
Posted by LadyNeptune
I couldn't do it. I'd always question him for leaving his wife/gf even though it was to be with me. And I'd live in fear of the day he leaves me for the next woman.
apparently Angelina Jolie did the same thing, but she claims she didn't. that she saw her father do it to her mother so in no way would she do that...
so it's all weird.
but Brad Pitt was all in love with her and still crying that he wants her back.
Posted by yupvirgoowhy do you need to check your phones regularly 😕?
8th house I've read is the most powerful of the houses. But it also indicates one whose path can lead to darkness. Someone could be prone to being controlling, jealous and obsessive. And it is the soul's goal to break out of these.
Honestly, though we're happily married there's always been a jealous streak in both of us. In order to satisfy our 8th house moon, we regularly check each other's phone and there's a deep desire for us to know and keep track of each other's activities.
I think that yes, this placement could lead to immorality but... also wisdom when it concerns deep grievances and dark matters in life.
shouldn't you just trust your wife and she trust you?
I mean, I can tell you being here loving astrology and talking about your wife, I know she is lucky to have you. You are a good man.
only thing I didn't like was when you said you love scorpio women in the scorpio forum and I said, waahhh?? why are you saying that cause you're married? unless your wife was scorpionic!!
then I thought maybe that's why!!
so it appeased me. lol 😛
but thanks I always like your input.
Posted by lisabethur8Jen and him were already split up before jolie and brad got together I believe.Posted by LadyNeptune
I couldn't do it. I'd always question him for leaving his wife/gf even though it was to be with me. And I'd live in fear of the day he leaves me for the next woman.
apparently Angelina Jolie did the same thing, but she claims she didn't. that she saw her father do it to her mother so in no way would she do that...
so it's all weird.
but Brad Pitt was all in love with her and still crying that he wants her back.
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I think it's fair to rebel against "man made" morality as long as I stick to my own moral code. I'd be the one who has to live with my choices after all.
Posted by PeanutButterandElly
My ex had an 8th house moon, Scorpio stellium and midheaven. He wouldn't have cheated in a million years. Once he was in he was in. He certainly wouldn't want to share time with a married man either. That would be the highest insult.
I'm very Scorpio myself. Being honest, it's a wonder I haven't cheated. Been tempted but never did. Though I would attribute my desire to much more to my mars Gemini and sag Rising. They itch and crave change. So it has been very difficult in times when my relationships slow down to not want to cheat. Still didn't though.
Also the woman who runs that website is a Leo. Not sure if she wrote that article though as in recent years she's added a few other bloggers to the site.
It's written she is scorpio sun with sag stellium in 9th so she's very adventurous, and all the themes of 9th house.
why would she write that down?
I don't think Gemini and sag is your itch to crave change. that's more you need ROOM to breathe.
Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by lisabethur8Jen and him were already split up before jolie and brad got together I believe.Posted by LadyNeptune
I couldn't do it. I'd always question him for leaving his wife/gf even though it was to be with me. And I'd live in fear of the day he leaves me for the next woman.
apparently Angelina Jolie did the same thing, but she claims she didn't. that she saw her father do it to her mother so in no way would she do that...
so it's all weird.
but Brad Pitt was all in love with her and still crying that he wants her back.
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then people are really crazy writing bad things about people.
Posted by yupvirgoono I don't think it has anything to do with family lineage in that way, could be anything bad in family lineage like a disease.Posted by lisabethur8Does she have moon in the 8th?Posted by LadyNeptune
I couldn't do it. I'd always question him for leaving his wife/gf even though it was to be with me. And I'd live in fear of the day he leaves me for the next woman.
apparently Angelina Jolie did the same thing, but she claims she didn't. that she saw her father do it to her mother so in no way would she do that...
so it's all weird.
but Brad Pitt was all in love with her and still crying that he wants her back.
It's because moon in the 8th indicates an individual whose family or lineage has a history of infidelity or some sort of other questionable activities. The goal is to break that chain and break away from that path of darkness.click to expand
Posted by Impulsvthe tori spelling one??Posted by lisabethur8Silly threadPosted by yupvirgoothank you that's beautiful.
My wife and I both have moon in the 8th.
"Happiness in the 8th house is only found by letting go of the desire to control others or gain through them."
"A person with such a placement will be fascinated rather quickly by something new, especially if it is forbidden or secret. The Moon is capable of bringing intense feelings, yet they can fade away the same easily. As the 8th house is ruled by Scorpio and Pluto, the Moon inherits a lot of their traits. The Moon does not feel comfortable in the realm of Scorpio and tends to show its cruel face, expressing jealousy, suspicion and obsession."
the way the authoress describes it, is that it's OK to do it if you're a scorpio.
that it's OK to go ahead and steal other people's money, power, success, men, women, ect.
properties.
it sounds opportunistic.
and lacks moral.
which she says, "morals are man-made," or an arbitrurary man-made thing from human's minds.
so basically, you go from man to man if you feel an intense connection each time??
that would be very slutty.
so what happens if they go against TWO scorpio women over one man??
(no offense or pun against scorpio in general, but the authoress is scorpio sun/9th houser)
I want to get a DEEPER understanding, why people should hurt other people?
because from what I also read, that she (the authoress) really hates cheating too.
so I found it really weird.
edit
--- basically what one other poster here said, before.
about Tori Spelling, "Cheat with me, but not on me" -- by DeeDee.
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it was my first time I read about Tori spelling. I watched a lot of their videos...and it's OLD NEWS now...
but to me it's new news...
Posted by JohnTheBaptist100
I have the below planets in the 8th house
Mercury House 8
Venus House 8
Saturn House 8
Chiron House 8
Pallas House 8
Lilith House 8
To be honest. During my lifetime so far I have made £100,000 through property and £60,000 through inheritance.
I have not always attracted rich men but my first bf (cap) was wealthy and from good stock) and my present beau (Taurus) is wealthy in his own right had has a very wealthy family who own many properties. He has Mars, Vesta and Fortune in the 8th house.
i'm a 12th houser, as well as 8th. I deal with loss of money, if I earn I have to give it away.
to people who need it more than me. and I have always done that. give to the needy of family that needs it.
example, when uncle died, we sent money, to help pay for his funeral, and a lot of other things.
also material things, given away.
Posted by Lunabeeare you scorpio?
I think it's fair to rebel against "man made" morality as long as I stick to my own moral code. I'd be the one who has to live with my choices after all.
Posted by yupvirgooI see....
@lisabethur8
because I don't trust other men nor does she trust other women
then I understand.
Posted by P6X58DEPosted by lisabethur8Aquarius 🙂Posted by JohnTheBaptist100
I have the below planets in the 8th house
Mercury House 8
Venus House 8
Saturn House 8
Chiron House 8
Pallas House 8
Lilith House 8
To be honest. During my lifetime so far I have made £100,000 through property and £60,000 through inheritance.
I have not always attracted rich men but my first bf (cap) was wealthy and from good stock) and my present beau (Taurus) is wealthy in his own right had has a very wealthy family who own many properties. He has Mars, Vesta and Fortune in the 8th house.
i'm a 12th houser, as well as 8th. I deal with loss of money, if I earn I have to give it away.
to people who need it more than me. and I have always done that. give to the needy of family that needs it.
example, when uncle died, we sent money, to help pay for his funeral, and a lot of other things.
also material things, given away.
That's your sun too what you described, humanitarian.
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hm I guess you're right. My husband does love that about me, that i'm very giving.
“If a Scorpio feels destined to sync with someone, nothing will stop it, certainly not some arbitrary man-made morality.”
This is almost the exact thing a Scorpio stellium (conj. Pluto) told me once. This person understood love as something beyond everything, if you didn't break all rules for it, then you didn't love. Kind of sick in my opinion. I couldn't agree, my way of loving is way different.
This is almost the exact thing a Scorpio stellium (conj. Pluto) told me once. This person understood love as something beyond everything, if you didn't break all rules for it, then you didn't love. Kind of sick in my opinion. I couldn't agree, my way of loving is way different.
Posted by JohnTheBaptist100I don't think it's a house thing or sign thing or energy thing either.
For Me I can see the 8th house manifesting through inheritance, but cheating... Nope.
My Taurus as I told you is my perfect match his mars in Pisces in 8th conjuncts my Venus in Pisces in the 8th.... So hands off he's mine and I'll scratch your eyeballs out if you try to take him... Lol lol lol
for me, the way the authoress describes it...it's an "animalistic" thing and the connection.
I can see the animalistic thing as she is supposedly Sagittarius stellium 9th house. the half horse part gets very very horny.
and the scorpio wants to "posess"
Posted by BlackburnI do understand that part... but not when someone is taken. I don't go for my friend's boyfriends or some boss who is married or other.
“If a Scorpio feels destined to sync with someone, nothing will stop it, certainly not some arbitrary man-made morality.”
This is almost the exact thing a Scorpio stellium (conj. Pluto) told me once. This person understood love as something beyond everything, if you didn't break all rules for it, then you didn't love. Kind of sick in my opinion. I couldn't agree, my way of loving is way different.
if he's a horny toad and wants extra marital affair, I will look down on him anyway.
when I say I understand that part, is that when you LOVE...it breaks all the rules, you love beyond race, culture, time and space, you love not because your parents told you to love, or WHO to love...
or who is BETTER for you...or best for you.
but you love because you feel it DEEP in your gut, and your soul. that this person is the one you've been destined with.
it sounds corny but I understand that.
Posted by xXxQueenliciaXxXEloquently put. But isn't morality a man made concept? Humans have evolved as a result to stimuli in their environment, an environment that uses technology to provide information constantly.
There's no such thing as "man-made morals" in my eyes.
The same way there are laws of nature in the wild, that is where our morals stem from.
Morals are the human being's form of the laws of nature. They are the laws of our nature.
It came naturally to us over time. Through evolution, observing our own behavior, and observing our surroundings, morals were developed.
I feel like most people today who obey the "laws of morality" do so in fear of punishment and consequences - NOT because they observed their own behaviour and surroundings.
Posted by xXxQueenliciaXxXI think even in the caveman days....
There's no such thing as "man-made morals" in my eyes.
The same way there are laws of nature in the wild, that is where our morals stem from.
Morals are the human being's form of the laws of nature. They are the laws of our nature.
Through evolution, observing our own behavior, and observing our surroundings, morals were developed.
some caveman wanted to POSSESS this woman, and then he fought for her, and beat up other men who tried to come between them or try to take her.
this was him showing them she's MINE... and I want to make babies with her..
and he is happy when he is with her.
Posted by lisabethur8Moral is God made that's why it's in a Bible! What man does with it is man made!Posted by yupvirgoothank you that's beautiful.
My wife and I both have moon in the 8th.
"Happiness in the 8th house is only found by letting go of the desire to control others or gain through them."
"A person with such a placement will be fascinated rather quickly by something new, especially if it is forbidden or secret. The Moon is capable of bringing intense feelings, yet they can fade away the same easily. As the 8th house is ruled by Scorpio and Pluto, the Moon inherits a lot of their traits. The Moon does not feel comfortable in the realm of Scorpio and tends to show its cruel face, expressing jealousy, suspicion and obsession."
the way the authoress describes it, is that it's OK to do it if you're a scorpio.
that it's OK to go ahead and steal other people's money, power, success, men, women, ect.
properties.
it sounds opportunistic.
and lacks moral.
which she says, "morals are man-made," or an arbitrurary man-made thing from human's minds.
so basically, you go from man to man if you feel an intense connection each time??
that would be very slutty.
so what happens if they go against TWO scorpio women over one man??
(no offense or pun against scorpio in general, but the authoress is scorpio sun/9th houser)
I want to get a DEEPER understanding, why people should hurt other people?
because from what I also read, that she (the authoress) really hates cheating too.
so I found it really weird.
edit
--- basically what one other poster here said, before.
about Tori Spelling, "Cheat with me, but not on me" -- by DeeDee.
click to expand
And why are examples always women?
Aren't there Sxorpio men who changing lives?
Posted by PeanutButterandEllyoooooooo......very very good point. and that's true....Posted by lisabethur8Does it? Lol. I just remember a few years ago on dxp she came on here cause someone linked to one of her articles and she got mad about it. Went on and on about how she was a Leo lol. Maybe someone else took the site over.Posted by PeanutButterandElly
My ex had an 8th house moon, Scorpio stellium and midheaven. He wouldn't have cheated in a million years. Once he was in he was in. He certainly wouldn't want to share time with a married man either. That would be the highest insult.
I'm very Scorpio myself. Being honest, it's a wonder I haven't cheated. Been tempted but never did. Though I would attribute my desire to much more to my mars Gemini and sag Rising. They itch and crave change. So it has been very difficult in times when my relationships slow down to not want to cheat. Still didn't though.
Also the woman who runs that website is a Leo. Not sure if she wrote that article though as in recent years she's added a few other bloggers to the site.
It's written she is scorpio sun with sag stellium in 9th so she's very adventurous, and all the themes of 9th house.
why would she write that down?
I don't think Gemini and sag is your itch to crave change. that's more you need ROOM to breathe.
I don't typically need that much room though. All my Scorp and cancer likes to get up close. I do get bored and complacent easily. Especially if I'm not spending active time with a partner. I start to crave exploring. And if it's not with them the urge is to do it alone. And when I do it alone is normally when others try to sneak in there.
I can't imagine chasing someone married though. Seems I'd always be wondering if they really loved me or just wanted to get away from their marriage. I'd always feel insecure in that case.click to expand
like was I only a way to get away from that rotten relationship??
and if he finds someone who is better, he will leave me too? and sneak out into the night and abandon me??
especially if he knows i'm the clingy emotional type? so not to make a fuss and then one day, there's a note on the table his bags are packed....
god that's terrible..
Posted by lisabethur8Posted by BlackburnI do understand that part... but not when someone is taken. I don't go for my friend's boyfriends or some boss who is married or other.
“If a Scorpio feels destined to sync with someone, nothing will stop it, certainly not some arbitrary man-made morality.”
This is almost the exact thing a Scorpio stellium (conj. Pluto) told me once. This person understood love as something beyond everything, if you didn't break all rules for it, then you didn't love. Kind of sick in my opinion. I couldn't agree, my way of loving is way different.
if he's a horny toad and wants extra marital affair, I will look down on him anyway.
when I say I understand that part, is that when you LOVE...it breaks all the rules, you love beyond race, culture, time and space, you love not because your parents told you to love, or WHO to love...
or who is BETTER for you...or best for you.
but you love because you feel it DEEP in your gut, and your soul. that this person is the one you've been destined with.
it sounds corny but I understand that.click to expand
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When he told me "everything" he also referred to when the other person was "taken". For him to chase endlessly while sb is with another person is a prove of love : /.
For me respect is a prove of love, and if you see your ex/partner with another person you respect it. Knowing to sacrifice and set free is love (Pisces?).
I don't know if fate exists according to couples...
Yes, that's right, is beyond any boundary referring to race/culture etc.
It's not corny, is deep! and a love without depth is not love. You Aquas don't want to sound corny x)
Posted by GemitatiPosted by lisabethur8Moral is God made that's why it's in a Bible! What man does with it is man made!Posted by yupvirgoo
My wife and I both have moon in the 8th.
"Happiness in the 8th house is only found by letting go of the desire to control others or gain through them."
"A person with such a placement will be fascinated rather quickly by something new, especially if it is forbidden or secret. The Moon is capable of bringing intense feelings, yet they can fade away the same easily. As the 8th house is ruled by Scorpio and Pluto, the Moon inherits a lot of their traits. The Moon does not feel comfortable in the realm of Scorpio and tends to show its cruel face, expressing jealousy, suspicion and obsession."
thank you that's beautiful.
the way the authoress describes it, is that it's OK to do it if you're a scorpio.
that it's OK to go ahead and steal other people's money, power, success, men, women, ect.
properties.
it sounds opportunistic.
and lacks moral.
which she says, "morals are man-made," or an arbitrurary man-made thing from human's minds.
so basically, you go from man to man if you feel an intense connection each time??
that would be very slutty.
so what happens if they go against TWO scorpio women over one man??
(no offense or pun against scorpio in general, but the authoress is scorpio sun/9th houser)
I want to get a DEEPER understanding, why people should hurt other people?
because from what I also read, that she (the authoress) really hates cheating too.
so I found it really weird.
edit
--- basically what one other poster here said, before.
about Tori Spelling, "Cheat with me, but not on me" -- by DeeDee.
And why are examples always women?
Aren't there Sxorpio men who changing lives?
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lol
women in the bible who are after men, are jezebels or Samson and Delilah types who take your hair and make you WEAK.
or that seductive temptress who had John the Baptists's head on a platter.
Posted by lisabethur8Sagittarius sun 5th.Posted by Lunabeeare you scorpio?
I think it's fair to rebel against "man made" morality as long as I stick to my own moral code. I'd be the one who has to live with my choices after all.
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I have never been attracted to a married man. Or any man whose taken.
I don't think it's possible to "steal away" someone's husband or wife either. I commonly hear that phrase, "you stole their husband" as if the person didn't have any choice or free will. Or when the person who was cheated on goes after the person their spouse cheated with - as if THEY had any moral obligation to them.
Posted by Blackburnyeah that's not love, chasing endlessly while the other is taken.Posted by lisabethur8Posted by BlackburnI do understand that part... but not when someone is taken. I don't go for my friend's boyfriends or some boss who is married or other.
“If a Scorpio feels destined to sync with someone, nothing will stop it, certainly not some arbitrary man-made morality.”
This is almost the exact thing a Scorpio stellium (conj. Pluto) told me once. This person understood love as something beyond everything, if you didn't break all rules for it, then you didn't love. Kind of sick in my opinion. I couldn't agree, my way of loving is way different.
if he's a horny toad and wants extra marital affair, I will look down on him anyway.
when I say I understand that part, is that when you LOVE...it breaks all the rules, you love beyond race, culture, time and space, you love not because your parents told you to love, or WHO to love...
or who is BETTER for you...or best for you.
but you love because you feel it DEEP in your gut, and your soul. that this person is the one you've been destined with.
it sounds corny but I understand that.
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When he told me "everything" he also referred to when the other person was "taken". For him to chase endlessly while sb is with another person is a prove of love : /.
For me respect is a prove of love, and if you see your ex/partner with another person you respect it. Knowing to sacrifice and set free is love (Pisces?).
I don't know if fate exists according to couples...
Yes, that's right, is beyond any boundary referring to race/culture etc.
It's not corny, is deep! and a love without depth is not love. You Aquas don't want to sound corny x)
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that's obsession, not love.
obsessed but when you have it ...it's not real.
because if you truly love, you would want their happiness above all. like a sacrifice.
Posted by xXxQueenliciaXxX: ) Religion brings in a whole different approach to right and wrong, lol.Posted by LunabeeWhen I think of something "man-made" I think of something that was consciously constructed. Something that didn't develop naturally, but took conscious effort and construction to make.Posted by xXxQueenliciaXxXEloquently put. But isn't morality a man made concept? Humans have evolved as a result to stimuli in their environment, an environment that uses technology to provide information constantly.
There's no such thing as "man-made morals" in my eyes.
The same way there are laws of nature in the wild, that is where our morals stem from.
Morals are the human being's form of the laws of nature. They are the laws of our nature.
It came naturally to us over time. Through evolution, observing our own behavior, and observing our surroundings, morals were developed.
I feel like most people today who obey the "laws of morality" do so in fear of punishment and consequences - NOT because they observed their own behaviour and surroundings.
I feel morals developed naturally overtime due to our interactions with one another. We learned over time what was ok and what was not ok to do to one another because somewhere along the way, doing those things bore negative consequences.
However, I also see your point and I find accuracy in your statement as well. Like many things throughout history, our morality has been used as a tool to control people over time. Same way people used religion to punish and shame people. This is where the lines became blurred.
Now we're left wondering "what's really right and what's really wrong?"
I find that the best way to decipher right from wrong is to ask yourself if what you're doing is hurting anyone in the process. If no, then go for it.click to expand
What if what you're doing is right to you even if it does hurt people indirectly? There's always that grey area. I wish more people did decipher what's right from wrong by using your method. It's more common to find that people will act in a way that prevents them from being hurt instead of the other way around. A very Ghandi style of living. I dig it.
Posted by xXxQueenliciaXxXNo, lol, I understand that. A friend of mine had an epiphany a while back after being married for 2 years & she struggled with what was "right and wrong" before making a decision.Posted by LunabeeI knew this question would be coming next lol.Posted by xXxQueenliciaXxX: ) Religion brings in a whole different approach to right and wrong, lol.Posted by LunabeeWhen I think of something "man-made" I think of something that was consciously constructed. Something that didn't develop naturally, but took conscious effort and construction to make.Posted by xXxQueenliciaXxXEloquently put. But isn't morality a man made concept? Humans have evolved as a result to stimuli in their environment, an environment that uses technology to provide information constantly.
There's no such thing as "man-made morals" in my eyes.
The same way there are laws of nature in the wild, that is where our morals stem from.
Morals are the human being's form of the laws of nature. They are the laws of our nature.
It came naturally to us over time. Through evolution, observing our own behavior, and observing our surroundings, morals were developed.
I feel like most people today who obey the "laws of morality" do so in fear of punishment and consequences - NOT because they observed their own behaviour and surroundings.
I feel morals developed naturally overtime due to our interactions with one another. We learned over time what was ok and what was not ok to do to one another because somewhere along the way, doing those things bore negative consequences.
However, I also see your point and I find accuracy in your statement as well. Like many things throughout history, our morality has been used as a tool to control people over time. Same way people used religion to punish and shame people. This is where the lines became blurred.
Now we're left wondering "what's really right and what's really wrong?"
I find that the best way to decipher right from wrong is to ask yourself if what you're doing is hurting anyone in the process. If no, then go for it.
What if what you're doing is right to you even if it does hurt people indirectly?
I was hoping that it could go without being said that choosing to be hurt and actually being hurt are two completely separate things.
When I say "as long as you're not hurting someone" I mean doing something that directly affects that person's life. Example: Sleeping with a married man knowing he's married.
In that scenario you are aware that this man is deceiving another human being and you are the tool/person that he is using to accomplish this dirty deed. You are directly hurting another person for your own selfish reasons.
Example 2: Being gay.
You are who you are. You are having consensual relationships with other people of the same gender. You are not doing anything wrong. You are simply living your truth. It does not involve deceiving anyone or destroying a life.
I don't know, these are the best examples I can come up with to explain the difference between the two. I'm about 2 drinks in on a Saturday and my mind is a little hazy.
I hope you get the gist of what I'm trying to say though.click to expand
I was thinking more along the lines of two people who are both taken meet and instantly gravitate to each other. Of no wrong doing on their part it just happened and they try to ignore each other for the sake of decency only to realize that this person is their soulmate.
Then, is it wrong to stay and ignore those feelings? To lie to their spouse and pretend those feelings do not exist? If a person wants another but is already committed should they ignore it or try and forget about it?
It still hurts the person if you tell them the truth but is it also right?
Posted by PeanutButterandEllyPosted by lisabethur8Most of the time people cheat, from what I've seen, it's a majority about their own failings and minorly about that individual relationships weaknesses. Rarely is the third party partner really important at all.Posted by PeanutButterandEllyoooooooo......very very good point. and that's true....Posted by lisabethur8Does it? Lol. I just remember a few years ago on dxp she came on here cause someone linked to one of her articles and she got mad about it. Went on and on about how she was a Leo lol. Maybe someone else took the site over.Posted by PeanutButterandElly
My ex had an 8th house moon, Scorpio stellium and midheaven. He wouldn't have cheated in a million years. Once he was in he was in. He certainly wouldn't want to share time with a married man either. That would be the highest insult.
I'm very Scorpio myself. Being honest, it's a wonder I haven't cheated. Been tempted but never did. Though I would attribute my desire to much more to my mars Gemini and sag Rising. They itch and crave change. So it has been very difficult in times when my relationships slow down to not want to cheat. Still didn't though.
Also the woman who runs that website is a Leo. Not sure if she wrote that article though as in recent years she's added a few other bloggers to the site.
It's written she is scorpio sun with sag stellium in 9th so she's very adventurous, and all the themes of 9th house.
why would she write that down?
I don't think Gemini and sag is your itch to crave change. that's more you need ROOM to breathe.
I don't typically need that much room though. All my Scorp and cancer likes to get up close. I do get bored and complacent easily. Especially if I'm not spending active time with a partner. I start to crave exploring. And if it's not with them the urge is to do it alone. And when I do it alone is normally when others try to sneak in there.
I can't imagine chasing someone married though. Seems I'd always be wondering if they really loved me or just wanted to get away from their marriage. I'd always feel insecure in that case.
like was I only a way to get away from that rotten relationship??
and if he finds someone who is better, he will leave me too? and sneak out into the night and abandon me??
especially if he knows i'm the clingy emotional type? so not to make a fuss and then one day, there's a note on the table his bags are packed....
god that's terrible..
I have met two couples who met via cheating and seemed to live happily ever after. Still super in love about 30 and 20somethinf years later. That's much more the exception than the rule though. I think divorce rates for second marriages are super high too, like somewhere in the 50-70% range.click to expand
both people sounded UNHAPPY in their relationships and both went for eachother.
I remember, Shania Twain, and how her ex husband cheated on her...
he didn't marry the woman he cheated with her on...but I think they are together? not sure what her sign is..
but Shania Twain married the man who was the husband of her best friend.
I think he was UNHAPPY with her, because why do that?
and the woman who was married was happier to be with her Shania's husband.
Posted by Lunabee
... I think it's fair to rebel against "man made" morality as long as I stick to my own moral code. I'd be the one who has to live with my choices after all. ...
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I don't think it's possible to "steal away" someone's husband or wife either. ... as if the person didn't have any choice or free will. Or when the person who was cheated on goes after the person their spouse cheated with - as if THEY had any moral obligation to them.
For me the last sentence is void. We have moral obligation to everybody. Whether it is in conflict with our most important needs or not is another story. Only we cannot always be the nicest. Hence bad conscience every now and then.
Although I've never talked bad about man-stealing women, in my mind I feel apathy for them. For example Camilla Parker Bowl. Ok, it was rules/protocol/moral/codex/whatever which did her wrong in the first place and hindered a marriage between her and Charles. I know that. But in my imaginative world of moral she should have accepted that he was then married to another woman (Diana) and cut contact. And look, both women were Cancer Suns. no big difference. oh, the difference is that she has Jupiter in Scorpio. Diana's Jupiter is in Aquarius.
Posted by xXxQueenliciaXxXI think so too...Posted by LunabeeOk, that scenario is different from what I explained.Posted by xXxQueenliciaXxXNo, lol, I understand that. A friend of mine had an epiphany a while back after being married for 2 years & she struggled with what was "right and wrong" before making a decision.Posted by LunabeeI knew this question would be coming next lol.Posted by xXxQueenliciaXxX: ) Religion brings in a whole different approach to right and wrong, lol.Posted by LunabeeWhen I think of something "man-made" I think of something that was consciously constructed. Something that didn't develop naturally, but took conscious effort and construction to make.Posted by xXxQueenliciaXxXEloquently put. But isn't morality a man made concept? Humans have evolved as a result to stimuli in their environment, an environment that uses technology to provide information constantly.
There's no such thing as "man-made morals" in my eyes.
The same way there are laws of nature in the wild, that is where our morals stem from.
Morals are the human being's form of the laws of nature. They are the laws of our nature.
It came naturally to us over time. Through evolution, observing our own behavior, and observing our surroundings, morals were developed.
I feel like most people today who obey the "laws of morality" do so in fear of punishment and consequences - NOT because they observed their own behaviour and surroundings.
I feel morals developed naturally overtime due to our interactions with one another. We learned over time what was ok and what was not ok to do to one another because somewhere along the way, doing those things bore negative consequences.
However, I also see your point and I find accuracy in your statement as well. Like many things throughout history, our morality has been used as a tool to control people over time. Same way people used religion to punish and shame people. This is where the lines became blurred.
Now we're left wondering "what's really right and what's really wrong?"
I find that the best way to decipher right from wrong is to ask yourself if what you're doing is hurting anyone in the process. If no, then go for it.
What if what you're doing is right to you even if it does hurt people indirectly?
I was hoping that it could go without being said that choosing to be hurt and actually being hurt are two completely separate things.
When I say "as long as you're not hurting someone" I mean doing something that directly affects that person's life. Example: Sleeping with a married man knowing he's married.
In that scenario you are aware that this man is deceiving another human being and you are the tool/person that he is using to accomplish this dirty deed. You are directly hurting another person for your own selfish reasons.
Example 2: Being gay.
You are who you are. You are having consensual relationships with other people of the same gender. You are not doing anything wrong. You are simply living your truth. It does not involve deceiving anyone or destroying a life.
I don't know, these are the best examples I can come up with to explain the difference between the two. I'm about 2 drinks in on a Saturday and my mind is a little hazy.
I hope you get the gist of what I'm trying to say though.
I was thinking more along the lines of two people who are both taken meet and instantly gravitate to each other. Of no wrong doing on their part it just happened and they try to ignore each other for the sake of decency only to realize that this person is their soulmate.
Then, is it wrong to stay and ignore those feelings? To lie to their spouse and pretend those feelings do not exist? If a person wants another but is already committed should they ignore it or try and forget about it?
It still hurts the person if you tell them the truth but is it also right?
What I explained were two people sneaking around on other people. Being deceitful.
Now if someone meets someone while they're married, does nothing inappropriate with them, but finds over time that they have a "better" connection with that person, no that's not doing something wrong. You can't help how you feel. It's about how you act on those feelings.
Telling your spouse and filing for divorce would be the noble thing to do. It's still a crummy situation for the spouse, but at least they weren't being lied to and that shows a sense of integrity from the spouse who met someone new.
However, I do question the integrity of anyone who claims that they simply "met someone and cliqued with them" while they were still married to another. Somewhere along the way, there had to have been some sort of deception there. I don't see anything like that spawning out of pure intentions.
More likely there was probably something going on that shouldn't have been.click to expand
that they were unhappy to begin with, and found more bliss with the other people.
still....someone is going to be very very hurt, like in the case of Shania twain..
Posted by DwellingOnMovePosted by Lunabee
... I think it's fair to rebel against "man made" morality as long as I stick to my own moral code. I'd be the one who has to live with my choices after all. ...
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I don't think it's possible to "steal away" someone's husband or wife either. ... as if the person didn't have any choice or free will. Or when the person who was cheated on goes after the person their spouse cheated with - as if THEY had any moral obligation to them.
For me the last sentence is void. We have moral obligation to everybody. Whether it is in conflict with our most important needs or not is another story. Only we cannot always be the nicest. Hence bad conscience every now and then.
Although I've never talked bad about man-stealing women, in my mind I feel apathy for them. For example Camilla Parker Bowl. Ok, it was rules/protocol/moral/codex/whatever which did her wrong in the first place and hindered a marriage between her and Charles. I know that. But in my imaginative world of moral she should have accepted that he was then married to another woman (Diana) and cut contact. And look, both women were Cancer Suns. no big difference. oh, the difference is that she has Jupiter in Scorpio. Diana's Jupiter is in Aquarius.click to expand
Diana's Jupiter Aquarius and her Moon Aquarius, almost too close, it's similar to my Capricorn mother in law's Venus and Jupiter...and her husband left her for another woman.
My father in law is a good man but he was not happy with with mother in law. Mother in law RECOGNIZED this years later of course, but it still hurt long ago. and father in law is much happier.
people are always gonna be hurt.
also Camilla Bowle's parker Jupiter Scorpio is trine both her moon and sun.
Diana is dominant Aquarius.
she would be better off with an Aquarian type of man.
there is a REASON why squares don't do well in astrology. Poor Diana was too SQUARE for Prince Charles....
and maybe Shania Twain's too much Libra is too much libra for her ex Scorpio husband.
I have no idea. cause why is it these folks are NOT happy? and they go off to other women??
and maybe Shania Twain's too much Libra is too much libra for her ex Scorpio husband.
I have no idea. cause why is it these folks are NOT happy? and they go off to other women??
Posted by Lunabeethey only know soulmate cause ....Posted by xXxQueenliciaXxXNo, lol, I understand that. A friend of mine had an epiphany a while back after being married for 2 years & she struggled with what was "right and wrong" before making a decision.Posted by LunabeeI knew this question would be coming next lol.Posted by xXxQueenliciaXxX: ) Religion brings in a whole different approach to right and wrong, lol.Posted by LunabeeWhen I think of something "man-made" I think of something that was consciously constructed. Something that didn't develop naturally, but took conscious effort and construction to make.Posted by xXxQueenliciaXxXEloquently put. But isn't morality a man made concept? Humans have evolved as a result to stimuli in their environment, an environment that uses technology to provide information constantly.
There's no such thing as "man-made morals" in my eyes.
The same way there are laws of nature in the wild, that is where our morals stem from.
Morals are the human being's form of the laws of nature. They are the laws of our nature.
It came naturally to us over time. Through evolution, observing our own behavior, and observing our surroundings, morals were developed.
I feel like most people today who obey the "laws of morality" do so in fear of punishment and consequences - NOT because they observed their own behaviour and surroundings.
I feel morals developed naturally overtime due to our interactions with one another. We learned over time what was ok and what was not ok to do to one another because somewhere along the way, doing those things bore negative consequences.
However, I also see your point and I find accuracy in your statement as well. Like many things throughout history, our morality has been used as a tool to control people over time. Same way people used religion to punish and shame people. This is where the lines became blurred.
Now we're left wondering "what's really right and what's really wrong?"
I find that the best way to decipher right from wrong is to ask yourself if what you're doing is hurting anyone in the process. If no, then go for it.
What if what you're doing is right to you even if it does hurt people indirectly?
I was hoping that it could go without being said that choosing to be hurt and actually being hurt are two completely separate things.
When I say "as long as you're not hurting someone" I mean doing something that directly affects that person's life. Example: Sleeping with a married man knowing he's married.
In that scenario you are aware that this man is deceiving another human being and you are the tool/person that he is using to accomplish this dirty deed. You are directly hurting another person for your own selfish reasons.
Example 2: Being gay.
You are who you are. You are having consensual relationships with other people of the same gender. You are not doing anything wrong. You are simply living your truth. It does not involve deceiving anyone or destroying a life.
I don't know, these are the best examples I can come up with to explain the difference between the two. I'm about 2 drinks in on a Saturday and my mind is a little hazy.
I hope you get the gist of what I'm trying to say though.
I was thinking more along the lines of two people who are both taken meet and instantly gravitate to each other. Of no wrong doing on their part it just happened and they try to ignore each other for the sake of decency only to realize that this person is their soulmate.
Then, is it wrong to stay and ignore those feelings? To lie to their spouse and pretend those feelings do not exist? If a person wants another but is already committed should they ignore it or try and forget about it?
It still hurts the person if you tell them the truth but is it also right?
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they is UNHAPPY!!! with the person they're with.
so course, their depression and sadness of being with that person is unbearable...
they think...OMG i'm gonna be with this person forever— hell NOOOO..
isn't that awful??
why then did you marry? 😢
Posted by TerramineLightvoid
What a coincidence. I was talking to someone in PM about exactly this subject.
She's not wrong. When you actually analyze it without preconceptions and with the truth of what morality actually is. Then it isn't wrong to chase after someone you love, no matter what.
Morally speaking we have an imperative to love ourselves enough to pursue happiness against all opposition. Any mentality otherwise is what has lead to oppression and tyranny because people will be complacent to being treated like shit.
Until eventually they just simply can't take it any longer and they rebel.
Fact is. The only ones who have to respect a relationship is those who are consensually involved. You have nothing to do with THEIR relationship, you are outside of that.
The only ones who have to respect boundaries is those inside the relationship. For instance I'm single so I can flirt with whoever I want. Even married and taken women. But THEY aren't allowed to flirt back. THEY aren't allowed to reciprocrate. Not without handling things inside the relationship the proper way first. Breaking up with who they're with, etc.
But it also depends. It depends on the REASON you're doing it. If you're a player just trying to get laid? Nobody is going to leave a committed relationship they weren't already wanting to leave, for someone who is just wanting to fuck them.
The person outside the relationship DOES have to consider how the other person in that relationship will deal with the situation. Do they love the person you're going after?
Okay so if they love them, and you only want to fuck them? Then yeah. That's hella wrong. That person is going to hurt more than you will if you don't get some pussy, ya retarded fuckboy.
But do you love this person who is already taken? If so then that changes EVERYTHING. As far as morality goes you have an imperative to go after what matters to you. You have a moral imperative to chase love. At this point even if that other person loves the one you're after. So do you, and either way one of you is going to equally hurt regardless of who is denied the one they love.
At that point you need to realize. The only person who is more important than yourself is the one you love. Otherwise, as far as /you/ are concerned. From your perspective. You are supposed to consider yourself more important than the competition.
Point being. You can steal the one you love away from someone without losing sleep. Because it was you or him and you are perfectly justified to pick yourself.
competition being used to hurt people's feelings are sport. and people don't want to be "sport".
Posted by yupvirgooso depressing.
I think Bill Clinton got this moon in the 8th house too.
Not sure what to think of that.
just thinking above all those people leaving cause they are unhappy!!! and they want someone else.
I get really sad thinking about it.
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well at least he didn't leave Hilary Clinton.
but.....gross.
Posted by yupvirgoopisces, my man is scorpio sun/venus.Posted by lisabethur8lisa just curious, what's you moon?Posted by yupvirgooso depressing.
I think Bill Clinton got this moon in the 8th house too.
Not sure what to think of that.
just thinking above all those people leaving cause they are unhappy!!! and they want someone else.
I get really sad thinking about it.
edit
well at least he didn't leave Hilary Clinton.
but.....gross.
and what's your husband's sun sign?
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edit but 1st house, 4th, 8th are my dominants.
Posted by yupvirgoo
I think Bill Clinton got this moon in the 8th house too.
Not sure what to think of that.
1) Astrology is something weak as base for such deductions. the probability of having something with Scorpio or the 8th house is not low.
2) Clinton did not steal someone and he did not start a new partnership.
Cheating is something else.
We are talking about those who are strong enough to know whom they want and strong enough to go through it all and to get them. To a committed partnership.
Posted by DwellingOnMove
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Cheating is something else.
We are talking about those who are strong enough to know whom they want and strong enough to go through it all and to get them. To a committed partnership.
I am for example weak and cannot steal a man. Once my Virgo boss wanted me, I called her wife to know if he is free at all. She said yes, but she asked me 3-4 times about the time frame of his interaction with me. And it was around Christmans time. I deduced that she is not that cool with it. Otherwise why would she care? So I decided not to jump on the bandwagon.
All in all I was more dedicated to my imaginative moral rules than to loving him.
And he might have needed me in his life. JK. With Sag Moon he has certainly needed me until his next attraction.
Ok, I was also weak cause I painted an early end instead of VICTORY.
Posted by TerramineLightvoid
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But do you love this person who is already taken? If so then that changes EVERYTHING. As far as morality goes you have an imperative to go after what matters to you. You have a moral imperative to chase love. ...
... You are supposed to consider yourself more important than the competition.
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The actual thing about MORAL is to build a reliable/secure environment. That means each of us should follow the rules and even more should be altruistic. Moral is a contract between all of us. Don't kill me when you are mad at me and I won't kill your child when I am mad at you. So simple.
The imperative to take care of my life recommends (me at least) to use every man-made necessary tool in a balanced way to guarantee my well-being: x% pure egoism + y% moral and altruism.
Moral := do the least of evil, otherwise you lower the chance that you survive this day.
Posted by DwellingOnMoveDo we really have a moral obligation to everyone? That sounds exhausting. Why do you feel it's imperative to have that? Why? This is probably half the reason why I stay superficial in 99% of my interactions with people. I do not want to be responsible for them. I won't be or I'd go the extra step.Posted by Lunabee
... I think it's fair to rebel against "man made" morality as long as I stick to my own moral code. I'd be the one who has to live with my choices after all. ...
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I don't think it's possible to "steal away" someone's husband or wife either. ... as if the person didn't have any choice or free will. Or when the person who was cheated on goes after the person their spouse cheated with - as if THEY had any moral obligation to them.
For me the last sentence is void. We have moral obligation to everybody. Whether it is in conflict with our most important needs or not is another story. Only we cannot always be the nicest. Hence bad conscience every now and then.
Although I've never talked bad about man-stealing women, in my mind I feel apathy for them. For example Camilla Parker Bowl. Ok, it was rules/protocol/moral/codex/whatever which did her wrong in the first place and hindered a marriage between her and Charles. I know that. But in my imaginative world of moral she should have accepted that he was then married to another woman (Diana) and cut contact. And look, both women were Cancer Suns. no big difference. oh, the difference is that she has Jupiter in Scorpio. Diana's Jupiter is in Aquarius.click to expand
I have apathy for "man stealing" (lol) women, too. When a person is cheated on and done wrongly, their beef is with their spouse because HE made the vow to them, not to the woman trying to be with him. But time and time again, women will attack the other woman. It's misplaced emotions among other things
Posted by DwellingOnMovePosted by TerramineLightvoid
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But do you love this person who is already taken? If so then that changes EVERYTHING. As far as morality goes you have an imperative to go after what matters to you. You have a moral imperative to chase love. ...
... You are supposed to consider yourself more important than the competition.
....
The actual thing about MORAL is to build a reliable/secure environment. That means each of us should follow the rules and even more should be altruistic. Moral is a contract between all of us. Don't kill me when you are mad at me and I won't kill your child when I am mad at you. So simple.
The imperative to take care of my life recommends (me at least) to use every man-made necessary tool in a balanced way to guarantee my well-being: x% pure egoism + y% moral and altruism.
Moral := do minimum of evil as often as possible, otherwise there's low guarantee that you survive this day.click to expand
I don't really agree with what you say at times...
like saying, do low minimum evil and then you won't survive.
it's like saying only evil people live longer.
😢
I remember Taurus /libra moon Billy Joel writing that song... he was always in love with an Aries sun Elle McPherson...
Posted by LunabeePosted by DwellingOnMoveDo we really have a moral obligation to everyone? That sounds exhausting. Why do you feel it's imperative to have that? Why? This is probably half the reason why I stay superficial in 99% of my interactions with people. I do not want to be responsible for them. I won't be or I'd go the extra step.Posted by Lunabee
... I think it's fair to rebel against "man made" morality as long as I stick to my own moral code. I'd be the one who has to live with my choices after all. ...
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I don't think it's possible to "steal away" someone's husband or wife either. ... as if the person didn't have any choice or free will. Or when the person who was cheated on goes after the person their spouse cheated with - as if THEY had any moral obligation to them.
For me the last sentence is void. We have moral obligation to everybody. Whether it is in conflict with our most important needs or not is another story. Only we cannot always be the nicest. Hence bad conscience every now and then.
Although I've never talked bad about man-stealing women, in my mind I feel apathy for them. For example Camilla Parker Bowl. Ok, it was rules/protocol/moral/codex/whatever which did her wrong in the first place and hindered a marriage between her and Charles. I know that. But in my imaginative world of moral she should have accepted that he was then married to another woman (Diana) and cut contact. And look, both women were Cancer Suns. no big difference. oh, the difference is that she has Jupiter in Scorpio. Diana's Jupiter is in Aquarius.
I have apathy for "man stealing" (lol) women, too. When a person is cheated on and done wrongly, their beef is with their spouse because HE made the vow to them, not to the woman trying to be with him. But time and time again, women will attack the other woman. It's misplaced emotions among other thingsclick to expand
women attack other women firstly because they think women are more RESPONSIBLE...
cause why shouldn't the man too take responsibility?? 😕
Posted by lisabethur8Posted by Lunabeethey only know soulmate cause ....Posted by xXxQueenliciaXxXNo, lol, I understand that. A friend of mine had an epiphany a while back after being married for 2 years & she struggled with what was "right and wrong" before making a decision.Posted by LunabeeI knew this question would be coming next lol.Posted by xXxQueenliciaXxX: ) Religion brings in a whole different approach to right and wrong, lol.Posted by LunabeeWhen I think of something "man-made" I think of something that was consciously constructed. Something that didn't develop naturally, but took conscious effort and construction to make.Posted by xXxQueenliciaXxXEloquently put. But isn't morality a man made concept? Humans have evolved as a result to stimuli in their environment, an environment that uses technology to provide information constantly.
There's no such thing as "man-made morals" in my eyes.
The same way there are laws of nature in the wild, that is where our morals stem from.
Morals are the human being's form of the laws of nature. They are the laws of our nature.
It came naturally to us over time. Through evolution, observing our own behavior, and observing our surroundings, morals were developed.
I feel like most people today who obey the "laws of morality" do so in fear of punishment and consequences - NOT because they observed their own behaviour and surroundings.
I feel morals developed naturally overtime due to our interactions with one another. We learned over time what was ok and what was not ok to do to one another because somewhere along the way, doing those things bore negative consequences.
However, I also see your point and I find accuracy in your statement as well. Like many things throughout history, our morality has been used as a tool to control people over time. Same way people used religion to punish and shame people. This is where the lines became blurred.
Now we're left wondering "what's really right and what's really wrong?"
I find that the best way to decipher right from wrong is to ask yourself if what you're doing is hurting anyone in the process. If no, then go for it.
What if what you're doing is right to you even if it does hurt people indirectly?
I was hoping that it could go without being said that choosing to be hurt and actually being hurt are two completely separate things.
When I say "as long as you're not hurting someone" I mean doing something that directly affects that person's life. Example: Sleeping with a married man knowing he's married.
In that scenario you are aware that this man is deceiving another human being and you are the tool/person that he is using to accomplish this dirty deed. You are directly hurting another person for your own selfish reasons.
Example 2: Being gay.
You are who you are. You are having consensual relationships with other people of the same gender. You are not doing anything wrong. You are simply living your truth. It does not involve deceiving anyone or destroying a life.
I don't know, these are the best examples I can come up with to explain the difference between the two. I'm about 2 drinks in on a Saturday and my mind is a little hazy.
I hope you get the gist of what I'm trying to say though.
I was thinking more along the lines of two people who are both taken meet and instantly gravitate to each other. Of no wrong doing on their part it just happened and they try to ignore each other for the sake of decency only to realize that this person is their soulmate.
Then, is it wrong to stay and ignore those feelings? To lie to their spouse and pretend those feelings do not exist? If a person wants another but is already committed should they ignore it or try and forget about it?
It still hurts the person if you tell them the truth but is it also right?
they is UNHAPPY!!! with the person they're with.
so course, their depression and sadness of being with that person is unbearable...
they think...OMG i'm gonna be with this person forever— hell NOOOO..
isn't that awful??
why then did you marry? 😢click to expand
Yeah. Scary stuff for me to hear. But life is not guaranteed, how do we know our relationships are fool proof? I'm currently going on what, 2 years single.. I've dated and they've been disastrous but I could have picked better instead of convenience. I'm constantly being asked, "why aren't you married!? You're perfect!" Haha.. I'm single because I haven't felt the spark of need that I need to feel safe enough to date.
Nvm that. You're married, I've been on here for 4 years now, how did you know it was right with your hubby? Maybe you can help shed some light?
I just don't know, my dear.
Posted by lisabethur8Posted by LunabeePosted by DwellingOnMoveDo we really have a moral obligation to everyone? That sounds exhausting. Why do you feel it's imperative to have that? Why? This is probably half the reason why I stay superficial in 99% of my interactions with people. I do not want to be responsible for them. I won't be or I'd go the extra step.Posted by Lunabee
... I think it's fair to rebel against "man made" morality as long as I stick to my own moral code. I'd be the one who has to live with my choices after all. ...
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I don't think it's possible to "steal away" someone's husband or wife either. ... as if the person didn't have any choice or free will. Or when the person who was cheated on goes after the person their spouse cheated with - as if THEY had any moral obligation to them.
For me the last sentence is void. We have moral obligation to everybody. Whether it is in conflict with our most important needs or not is another story. Only we cannot always be the nicest. Hence bad conscience every now and then.
Although I've never talked bad about man-stealing women, in my mind I feel apathy for them. For example Camilla Parker Bowl. Ok, it was rules/protocol/moral/codex/whatever which did her wrong in the first place and hindered a marriage between her and Charles. I know that. But in my imaginative world of moral she should have accepted that he was then married to another woman (Diana) and cut contact. And look, both women were Cancer Suns. no big difference. oh, the difference is that she has Jupiter in Scorpio. Diana's Jupiter is in Aquarius.
I have apathy for "man stealing" (lol) women, too. When a person is cheated on and done wrongly, their beef is with their spouse because HE made the vow to them, not to the woman trying to be with him. But time and time again, women will attack the other woman. It's misplaced emotions among other things
women attack other women firstly because they think women are more RESPONSIBLE...
cause why shouldn't the man too take responsibility?? 😕
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Maybe it's an upspoken girl code but I don't buy it. A 58 ur old co worker at my previous job debated me on the subject. Then two women tag teamed me on why the other woman is just as much to blame as the man. "Because if the woman didn't stick her nose where it had no business it would never have happened."
I believe it was just a matter of time or else they wouldn't have done it to begin with. Women don't want to look at themselves after being cheated on because it's like right jab after left. It hurts! And instead of feel the hurt and work through it some people will misplace blame on the other woman because that's easier than looking inside themselves.
Lis, you really think women expect other women to be responsible? The only thing I expect to receive from another woman is 1) a tampon in the rest room, and 2) a hair tie they have around their wrist. That's it.
Posted by Lunabee
.... moral obligation to everyone? ... exhausting. ... imperative ... reason why I stay superficial in 99% of ...
it is not easy, I know. But we are intelligent and have exercise. We can do it. We do it every day. We go through a check list and weigh the predicted benefit or damage for us, families and the rest. That does not guarantee that we always decide for other people's well-being.
You asked about why the imperative. Here it is:
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.... The actual thing about MORAL is to build a reliable/secure environment. ... Moral is a contract between all of us. Don't kill me when you are mad at me and I won't kill your child when I am mad at you. So simple.
... x% pure egoism + y% moral and altruism.
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Posted by LunabeeI have NO idea..Posted by lisabethur8Posted by LunabeePosted by DwellingOnMoveDo we really have a moral obligation to everyone? That sounds exhausting. Why do you feel it's imperative to have that? Why? This is probably half the reason why I stay superficial in 99% of my interactions with people. I do not want to be responsible for them. I won't be or I'd go the extra step.Posted by Lunabee
... I think it's fair to rebel against "man made" morality as long as I stick to my own moral code. I'd be the one who has to live with my choices after all. ...
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I don't think it's possible to "steal away" someone's husband or wife either. ... as if the person didn't have any choice or free will. Or when the person who was cheated on goes after the person their spouse cheated with - as if THEY had any moral obligation to them.
For me the last sentence is void. We have moral obligation to everybody. Whether it is in conflict with our most important needs or not is another story. Only we cannot always be the nicest. Hence bad conscience every now and then.
Although I've never talked bad about man-stealing women, in my mind I feel apathy for them. For example Camilla Parker Bowl. Ok, it was rules/protocol/moral/codex/whatever which did her wrong in the first place and hindered a marriage between her and Charles. I know that. But in my imaginative world of moral she should have accepted that he was then married to another woman (Diana) and cut contact. And look, both women were Cancer Suns. no big difference. oh, the difference is that she has Jupiter in Scorpio. Diana's Jupiter is in Aquarius.
I have apathy for "man stealing" (lol) women, too. When a person is cheated on and done wrongly, their beef is with their spouse because HE made the vow to them, not to the woman trying to be with him. But time and time again, women will attack the other woman. It's misplaced emotions among other things
women attack other women firstly because they think women are more RESPONSIBLE...
cause why shouldn't the man too take responsibility?? 😕
Maybe it's an upspoken girl code but I don't buy it. A 58 ur old co worker at my previous job debated me on the subject. Then two women tag teamed me on why the other woman is just as much to blame as the man. "Because if the woman didn't stick her nose where it had no business it would never have happened."
I believe it was just a matter of time or else they wouldn't have done it to begin with. Women don't want to look at themselves after being cheated on because it's like right jab after left. It hurts! And instead of feel the hurt and work through it some people will misplace blame on the other woman because that's easier than looking inside themselves.
Lis, you really think women expect other women to be responsible? The only thing I expect to receive from another woman is 1) a tampon in the rest room, and 2) a hair tie they have around their wrist. That's it.
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cause why are they always blaming the woman? when it's a two way street? 😕
Posted by lisabethur8Posted by DwellingOnMovePosted by TerramineLightvoid
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... You are supposed to consider yourself more important than the competition.
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The actual thing about MORAL is to build a reliable/secure environment. ... Moral is a contract between all of us. ...
Moral := do minimum of evil as often as possible, otherwise there's low guarantee that you survive this day.
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like saying, do low minimum evil and then you won't survive.
it's like saying only evil people live longer.
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First: before I read your comment I just changed the text to say "lower the guarantee".
Second: I think you wanted to type "and then you will survive.".
Third: That sentence is also silent about other reasons why we die. Disease and such. Your deduction/taking was wrong/lazy. There's this famous example: "all ravens are black" does not lead to "all black is raven".
Fourth: thank to your criticism I came to change my sentence to this: "Moral := do the least of evil, otherwise you lower the chance to survive this day.".
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