Hello everyone. I just joined this site as I feel as if I have no one to talk to about this. This is quite long, sorry to those who actually read it, but thanks. I pretty much had my 'ex' move in after knowing him for 2 weeks (met in a bar), as he needed a place to stay. It was all very fast because of this move although we clicked right away. He has/had many issues he will be going through--a 'common law divorce soon' and she wants their 2 kids one min the next she doesn't them full time, and is going for the house, etc), she also has her own issues' also his mother died about a year ago, they were fairly close he said.
So he said he started drinking more because of this. We drank at the end of every day and we would always argue when we did. I told him it was a lot to do with drinking and let's stop, but he never paid much mind and blamed me most of our (drunken) fights. He is a good man at heart I believe but totally confused. His ex cheated on him about a year ago now and did before this also... and he 'hated' her but stayed there for his kids, until he met me..He will be going through a court battle soon with her, but when with me, he kept on putting it off-(getting lawyer etc). He drank instead.
He said he is a procrastinator and I tried to edge him on to get started. He said I am a great woman with a huge heart, but he can't forgive me talking to this ex/B/F-guy friend (who I should of cut right off a few days after I met him, according to him.) It was 100% platonic though between me and this guy, he knew this. One thing he said from beginning though was he HATES more than anything, liars and cheaters...I think he was referring mostly to his ex 'wife' before who did this, he couldn't stop telling me this through our short lived relationship - "never lie to me or cheat?, I never would cheat and I believe he knew this, but I told him a couple little lies and that started it all I think.
Also I said so many hurtful things to him a few nights before he moved out, as he did me. Both were drinking, of course. Then he'd call and made excuses to come get things of his he left here--this lasted about a week or so after he left. He would always blame me again for talking to the ex and a few other little annoying things he could think of I did. Then one night about 3 days after he left he called me from a bar at midnight and said ?I miss you but we are totally done?-continued...
?- He was yelling very loud and blaming me again- saying you picked your ?ex' over me so ?Bye Bye-(He sounded very ha ha sounding I thought when he said this). Then he hung up. Then he called a few days after this and said he was thinking that we should date maybe, start over, that he liked how I/we were in the beginning, wished it could go back to that way now---carefree fun etc., and that we moved very fast (him moving in right away.)
He told me he ?hates his ex wife and they never argued like me and him did-- He said we are not compatible'. He said before though that I made him feel loved. Every darn day out of the relationship, we drank when he got off work. He broke up with me that night on the phone - from nightclub, (this was almost 3 weeks ago now though) and he was quiet those times he came over, except saying he thinks I am a liar that I was out running around all day with ?who knows who' and that he thinks I did this and that even after I swore on everything to him this last time I did not.
He said not much and hugged me as he ?had to go somewhere' "excuse I think not to stay long" he was very polite this time he smiled and I said bye have a good dinner tonight with his brother. It was so calm, but he never brought up getting back or anything these times. That was it. I can't contact him as I have no idea where he is-but work, and I won't actually go to see him there. So I am still holding on that he will come around and want to try again. But regarding his ex and kids problems, I told him I would've stood by him.
I wish I knew what he was thinking about us is all. Guess if no calls for this long, he's not coming back---and everyone is telling me ?if he really loved you he would have called you or came over to see how you are doing this past 3 weeks. I want to know if that means he never/or doesn't now love me? can anyone tell me if you think he may call/comeback if it has been this long without any contact and the last visit was so relaxed but trivial? Thanks
* He has/had many issues he will be going through--a 'common law divorce soon' and she wants their 2 kids one min the next she doesn't them full time, and is going for the house, etc), she also has her own issues' also his mother died about a year ago, they were fairly close he said.
WOW! Why did you even date this guy?
* So he said he started drinking more because of this. We drank at the end of every day and we would always argue when we did.
Nothing about this relationship is functional Emily.
He may love you. You may love him. But you don't bring out the best in each other. He knows this.
There is someone out there who will be better for you honey.
Thanks for the replies everyone....But it is tearing me apart as I still long for him to come back..I would be there by his side for everything that came his way..I wrote him a letter stating this and my faults...Doesn't seem to matter to him. No contact going on a month this Tuesday. I can't sleep much and have lost 20 pounds since he has been gone..I break down frequently during the day and can't believe this happened. I see this is not a healthy relationship under the circumstances...But I still felt as if he was my world. Ugh i guess I need help.
Oh sweetie, you have to look after YOU....he's not looking after you, he's looking after number 1..HIM!!! I agree, count yourself lucky for each day he DOESNT contact you...you deserve so much better than this and trust me, this would only be the beginning...could you imagine the stress/the drinking/the arguments/etc, etc during the legal period— that could drag on for years!!!!
Go out and find yourself a better man....this one is way too complicated no matter how much you might love him....look after YOU 🙂
Thanks chatz...I don't know if this has to do with he is a Libra and indecisive, or this is just plain ole how it is. It Will be a month with no contact tomorrow...I still have constant thoughts about him and wanting him to call me....I know I can't expect anyone to 'get in his head' and tell me how he feels, but he doesn't even tell me much,except he was sick daily at work wondering what I was doing, who I was seeing--hanging around my guy friend, and he had enough of this and that when we lived together--blaming me for most as I said. Last time we talked he told me his daughter was upset about our break up and she asked if we will still be friends, he told me he said 'yes'. I asked him for closure and even wrote a note and gave it to him 2 days after he moved out. Poured my heart out. Then asked him if he could tell me something...anything--if it was over or not...He said he had nothing to say right now... He always wanted me to 'chase him' after an arguement and tell him I didn't want him to leave..How much I cared about him, wanted him to come back upstairs to my place, etc. I did not 'chase' him at all--he hated that...he was the one getting in his car and following me when I went for walks at night, saying he was worried and asking at this one bar if I have been around etc. He would also drink a few as we both did most nights, and at almost the end of this relationship, we were out driving and we stopped and got out to 'play fight', then we of course got into a disagreement, and he was going to drive off, then came backwards to get me, Once I got into the car...he sped off very fast and almost went into a fence near some water...I put my foot out of the door while he was doing this saying "stop, let me out" he didn't stop he slowed down told me to shut the door..he did this a couple other times when we had a fight drive very fast down quiet neighbourhoods. I was always scared and asked him why he did this..he said it was wrong but he got so mad he lost it. He wanted me to be like when we first met. He confused me so much saying maybe we should start over and date instead of living together right away again,(after we first broke up I mean), then he is silent, like now, for a month!) He has way to many issues I think to be in a relationships right now I know. But I wanted to help him...I just miss this man incredibly--The good parts.
One more thing..I didn't really follow astrology or much believe in it until we broke up. I found out he was a Libra..since then I have been in amazement of much his character resembles what I have read here and elsewhere about them.
Hi houstonpeach..thing is I never drank before I met him...now I drink to forget him..about 2 a day for me. I know it's the worst thing to do...I hope soon I will just be able to forget him. Thanks for your reply. I am still holding out he will call....I have only ever loved one man before him and I took years off so I wouldn't be hurt this way again...Now I feel I will compare everyone to him...time will help I hope.
You met him in a bar ... then say you never drank BEFORE .. hmmmmm, yet, YOU were in a bar, drinking most likely when you met him.
He HAD to move in with you because he had no place to live .. yet, you then say that he actually had a place to live with the mother of his kids.
You say you want to quit drinking for the betterment of the relationship (plus you never drank before) .. then you continue to drink with him every night anyway .. even now that he's gone, you continue to consume 2 drinks a day and use him as an excuse.
You admit that you keep in contact with an ex, eventhough you know he doesn't like it, while he believes that if you love him, you should cut contact, and you believe that this is a request that is unreasonable for him to have, eventhough you later admit that you did indeed lie to him .. yet, then turn around and say that if he loves you, then he should be contacting you .. in other words, he should do something because he loves you, yet, you won't comprimise yourself for this same love.
You say you want closure from him .. then say you express to him how much you love him and would stand by him, no matter what
He treats you like total crap, and you KNOW it .. but, still desperately await his return
From my perspective .. you are just as confused as he is. Certainly, I wouldn't disagree that he has issues, however, you appear this way also.
P-Angel---I was not drinking when I met him. I guess I should have mentioned that--I was not expecting anyone to pick apart something like that and just believe what I am writing at 'face' value...Why would I lie here?...I was only looking for advice, not to have my every word over analyzed and picked over to make it seem like I am a liar.. I let him move in as it was hell for him to stay at his exes house..I am not blaming him for me drinking now....I just very rarely drank before, as I mentioned. Now it is becoming a crutch unfortunately..and yes I believe I may need help to stop now. He never asked for no contact, once when he called me while drinking he said it was over done. Few days later he came over and said we should start over and date and he missed me very much. As I also mentioned we have had no contact for a month yesterday, and I have never once since he left Called Him....He contacted me for the first while after he moved. And he said countless times he only wanted me to chase him (near the end) and tell him I loved him etc. I never chased him that is one of the reasons he used when he left also. Yes, I am confused as the last times we talked he wanted to start over again and loved me. Hugged me and said talk soon. Sorry you totally misunderstood what I wrote. Thanks for replying regardless..
"he 'hated' her but stayed there for his kids, until he met me..He will be going through a court battle soon with her, but when with me, he kept on putting it off-(getting lawyer etc). He drank instead.
He said he is a procrastinator and I tried to edge him on to get started."
Question: If it irritated you because he was drinking rather than officially ending his relationship with his common law wife, to the point that you were edging him to get started on it .... then why wouldn't you end and put closure to your relationship with an ex?
"I never would cheat and I believe he knew this, but I told him a couple little lies and that started it all I think."
If you would lie to him .. then I'm pretty certain you would have no problems to do so with us.
"I was not expecting anyone to pick apart something like that and just believe what I am writing at 'face' value"
Well, perhaps this is the problem ... a person can SAY whatever they choose to say .. it's how we carry ourselves, how we behave, our actions in life that are the real indicators to what kind of a person we are.
***I pretty much had my 'ex' move in after knowing him for 2 weeks (met in a bar), as he needed a place to stay.
P-Angel --You met him in a bar ... then say you never drank BEFORE .. ''hmmmmm, yet, YOU were in a bar, drinking most likely when you met him.'' - (please don't assume)
P-Angel --He HAD to move in with you because he had no place to live .. yet, you then say that he actually had a place to live with the mother of his kids.--(He NEEDED a place to say--Not he HAD to move in)
***His ex cheated on him about a year ago now and did before this also... and he 'hated' her but stayed there for his kids, until he met me.. ******He told me he ?hates his ex wife'.
P-Angel --You admit that you keep in contact with an ex, eventhough you know he doesn't like it, while he believes that if you love him, you should cut contact, and you believe that this is a request that is unreasonable for him to have
***Also I said so many hurtful things to him a few nights before he moved out, as he did me. Both were drinking, of course. Then he'd call and made excuses to come get things of his he left here--this lasted about a week or so after he left. He would always blame me again for talking to the ex and a few other little annoying things he could think of I did. Then one night about 3 days after he left he called me from a bar at midnight and said ?I miss you but we are totally done? ***Then he hung up. Then he called a few days after this and said HE was thinking that we should date maybe, start over, that he liked how I/we were in the beginning, wished it could go back to that way now-
P-Angel --You say you want closure from him .. then say you express to him how much you love him and would stand by him, no matter what
I did express in a letter that I cared about him enough that I would've stood by him no matter what...He came over after that and said nothing about 'us' that time...I asked him to tell me what he thinks is going on with us and he said he cared so much for me and loves me...and didn't really know what to say. So yes...I am confused (as I also stated).
P-Angel...WOW!!...I am sorry you are so bitter. You totally misunderstood as I said. Look Lady..I am not here to argue with you, even though I am going to search your posts and see if this is a common thing for you to do to people who are merely seeking advice also. Please do not reply to me anymore, I've had enough already..I am an easygoing woman. I don't need the hassle of a total stranger who is trying to belittle me...re-read and I am sure you will see where you 'jumped the gun' over and over again.
Maybe you should seek help for your ' bitterness' It is most likely 'deep-rooted' from your past...best wishes.
Wysdum...I agree with you but I am almost afraid to go to his work to see him as this is the only place I know he will be everyday. He has been staying at friends places since this happened. Thanks for your reply and I am starting to agree that I will have to be the one to contact him there. But one day I want to, the next I am getting over him slowly...been a month now. I will always have this urge I believe.
P-Angel -- Please try to stop yourself...You are getting annoying with your innuendos.
Emily, That 'chase' thing must be a trait of theirs. Read my posts man. One day I hate him-one day I dont. If you are that interested in him. Just show up one day and keep it short. Dont say call me or anything like that. I did that a few weeks ago with mine- I said oh so this is what you do? The I said see ya. He called me within 30 minutes. Those guys are complicated. One time he said- call me- I like it when you call me. The he would act like he didnt care- (read my posts you'll see) Got that charm going for him too. I also noticed that he fit the desc. of the Libra sign as I wasnt ever into that stuff. The I decided- ego- since they are afraid- stroke the ego- but only with the truth. I dont think they like complicated things. Mine also- has said the same things yours has- except that has always been good and they like it fun- they already have drama in their life- so let him get thru that. You really cant help him with that-except be his friend. Let him deal with that- you just listen. That way he want resent you. If it were me- I would tell him I miss him. But that is all. I did feel like I needed to chase him- after all he was confusing the hell out of me. The I started thinking- he is consuming me-my thoughts, my days, my nights. I stepped back alittle- and decided not to talk about my feelings or his. Just enjoy his company. Maybe that is what your guy was trying to say to you. I do understand what you said about he wanted you to chase him- because I heard the same thing. I think your guy is very insecure right now and that may be hard for a libra man- as I read about their personalities. Mine said- if we break up- you will be back-or if I break up-I will be back. I think that could be true. Mine told me the same things about his wife only to recant it later. I was floored- after all the time I spent with him. So I picked myself up and told him to go work it out with his wife. I decided OK- no matter what I am getting hurt. So- one day I will and have to deal with it. He stills calls me, more than ever now. I saw him this week-played like I was ok with things-he wanted to talk- we did- he kissed me- then I think I realized as I thought about how he watched me- the way he acted- yes-he may go back with her- but he has something there for me. I could be wrong and if I am- he played me well. But, I enjoy being with him. I think about him alot. I miss him. He called me last night- I said- I enjoyed your company the other day. His voice lit up. He sa
(sorry for the typos) He said Me too- and I mean that. So maybe just pull yourself together and be there. I have begun to step back and just watch him. But they are jealous- so dont put him in that situation. They dont like to hear about other guys- they like it to be all about them. You know, that ego thing. Anyway, just try to be there for him for now if you can. I hope your day is better.
HAHAAH @ P-Angel--You foolish lady..and you are seriously almost 50 years old?!...I said Cancer just to see your expected remark...now go away already...
Sagittarian...I agree...I fight it some days to go see him or leave a message at his work..Like right now..This may sound selfish of me, but in away I am happy you posted this to me...It helps me to know someone is going through pretty much the same thing as me. I wish you both the best.
irishlibra..I thank you so much for your post..I did not bother looking into her posts after all. But it is interesting to know I am not the only one she did this too. Are you female or male irishlibra? as for my ex...He is still consuming my thoughts very much..so much I took out "Men are from Mars and Women from Venus" book and plenty others to try to understand men in general. it has been about a month now with N/C and I am slowly feeling better...Until tomorrow perhaps! hehe...Ugh. I do go to the gym and work alot so trying to keep my mind off him..I am still occasionally over analyzing what I think went wrong and if he really ever did care about me..Blaming myself alot although I know he had many issues himself. If he hasn't tried to contact me after this long...I think I have my answer about if he ever loved me or not. Thing is..I seen him last the day before his birthday..I mentioned it and he said "Ugh, birthdays are no big deal" Then said his friends were taking him out...I didn't ask him to call me on this day, but I did 'hope' he would...Bought him a card and gift...still haven't talked. I brought the gift back.
I know an Oct 17 male. I would say he's more Capricornish than Scorpionic, but he's very smart and witty. Also, their need to win is huge. If you let him win an argument, he will be really soft with you.
Oh, and they never forget a person - sentimentality does not escape this birthday. Things are the same, after you come back from a break with him.
But I think relationships would be hard, and perfection is not possible. The Oct 17 lib man I know is highly intellectual, and would rather believe scientific logical facts than the woose-boose of his illogical emotions. So, you have a man who would love or like you sincerely, but would never really show it.
I'm seeing a Libra too, and I relate to the overanalysing. I guess going through that can be a sort of catharsis - you can gain enlightenment after all the mental torture.. lol. But if you worry he never liked you, don't, because he once did means he always will.
I have loved people I truly loved at one point in my life - nothings changed. Even with the libra man who gave me mental hell (because I loved him too much and started analysing), I never loved him any less during the period of absence, nor now. In fact, even more, because I realise more things about myself and him and how much he means to me.
I know saying relax, and stop thinking so much won't help, but it's good for sanity.
hmmm....well sorry if I repeat anything because I did not read through ALL of the posts - just the first one and some of the rest.
don't know if you are spiting p-angel or if you really are a cancer - but my first thought was aries.
at any rate - you two are bad for each other. The drinking is a problem that will never stop as long as you are together. That goes for both of you. I did this to my ex pisces - he has a drug problem and I was always accepting and encouraging, telling him he had the strength to kick the habit etc.... it wasn't until I got fed up and said flat out that he was a loser and I didn't want anymore to do with him that he actually made an effort to stop using. Your libra won't stop drinking as long as you tell him how much you support him - he will take advantage.
Libra's LOVE affection - he ran into your arms that night at the bar because he was getting something he wasn't getting at home -NOT because you are his soulmate. One thing your friends were right about - if he loved you he would have come back and he would have made the effort to fix his problems - he's coming back and arguing with you because he needs attention but he is still trying to keep some distance - by blaming YOU and calling you a liar etc he has an excuse to run out on you - he is making it sound like he is a great guy who has love for you but he just can't get over you lying and cheating.....it's an escape plan.
All you're doing for him at this point is giving him attention and being his drinking buddy - it's one thing to encourage and support someone who is trying to get better - it is another to enable someone who has no intention of getting better.
xangelfishx - Thanks for the reply... ""Libra's LOVE affection - he ran into your arms that night at the bar because he was getting something he wasn't getting at home -NOT because you are his soulmate. One thing your friends were right about - if he loved you he would have come back and he would have made the effort to fix his problems - he's coming back and arguing with you because he needs attention but he is still trying to keep some distance - by blaming YOU and calling you a liar etc he has an excuse to run out on you - he is making it sound like he is a great guy who has love for you but he just can't get over you lying and cheating.....it's an escape plan."" That really hurts, but I am starting to believe that you may be right.
P-Angel "You met him in a bar ... then say you never drank BEFORE .. hmmmmm, yet, YOU were in a bar, drinking most likely when you met him."
I dont drink at all and I enjoy going to bars!! I have a natural high. No one needs to drink to have a good time... But meeting at a bar isn't the best place to meet someone. I have figured out that most man go there to get away from there girls to get a peice from someone else...
gemini82 .. that wasn't so much about whether she was drinking in the bar when she met him, as much as the inconsistency when relaying the message in here .. below we see two different stories .. one says she never drank before, the other says she drank rarely .. and now that he's gone, drinking everyday is used as an excuse to get over him.
In fact, the whole testimony is in contridiction .. not every person is asleep and will only view things at face value .. there's words spoken with the intention of pursuading/convincing, and then there's the truth that lies within the whole picture .. not every person will just look at each tree as it's pointed out .. some people see the forest.
P-Angel STOP YOUR INSANITY SILLY WOMAN! O.K. Put on your reading glasses...OK---"I NEVER", meaning very rarely drank before I met him Understand now—? I drank once we met--one or two maybe -most nights UNDERSTAND— We broke up --up to a few days ago I was drinking every night--a couple only UNDERSTAND— As of a few days ago...I chose not to drink anymore as I know it will not help me get over anything---Time Will...ok? your mind seems to scramble things and when I said "I am not blaming him for me drinking now"....I just very rarely drank before."
When you wake up .. you'll realize that the ones lying to you to appease your feelings .. are the ones who really don't care about other people, rather, how they "appear".
I needed time, and it is helping...I am getting back to being myself with a clear head more and more everyday...no contact works wonders for healing!
P-Angel -- I disagree with you...I believe there ARE some sincere people on this board just trying to help others! Why are you so obsessed with bickering and judging us all online? Look in the mirror and judge yourself for once! Seems like you 'hate everyone' I don't understand you..Again..GET THERAPY! Good day
P-Angel...Grab a clue before you shoot off your Old lady mouth again please...You have no idea what is going on in my life right now so as I asked you before...Please Leave me alone!....You are almost like a Stalker!...Is this in your sign? BTW, Being on dxpnet constantly does not equal Employment...Why are you so fixated on me? Heck, don't you have a Senior Citizen's meeting or bingo to go to?
P-Angle. Oh, you are a pisces..I should have known. Pisces: About Your Sign... Pisces: Their natures tend to be too otherworldly for the practical purposes of living in this world as it is. They sometimes exist emotionally rather than rationally, instinctively more than intellectually. Any rebellion they make against convention is personal, however, as they often times do not have the energy or motivation to battle against the Establishment.
lol, hiding your post doesn't change the fact that you pulled one of my quotes from another board, which in essence means ..
"You are almost like a Stalker"
My first post from this day was intended for your benefit .. which you then confirmed my assessment of emotional baggage by expressing out of control emotions.
To heal from this injury you had with this man, means you have to stop fixating on it, stop obssessing over it .. take that as you wish. You can either hear what I'm saying for your benefit, so you can grow, for I'm not going to lie to you like the rest of the people .. or, you can choose to believe that those words were to hurt you, so you can continue to be suffering with your emotional pain.
Whatever you do in your life is a choice .. however, once the decision is made .. if there are consequences to suffer and you are aware that it's painful .. then the pain is self-inflicted.
P-Angel...If you must know, my ex called me the day I wrote that message (last Friday)...I wanted to find out more about that birthdate as I was confused as why he would call and say the things he said. I was about over him as I stated in an other post in these forums.
So if I am 'obsessing' for answering my phone that day..Then so beit. You still have that tendency to jump the gun and assume whatever you want about people that you have no clue about....I have nicely asked you to stop posting to me, and you cannot control it! Obsessive, yes, you are. Good Luck to you and Take care. As always you have totally went off base with what you said... Instead maybe you should have asked me why I asked about the date to begin with.
templeofjaguar, I have been following your posts. I admire your strength. My situation is similar in the sense that it is approaching 2 months n/c for me and my ex libra. QS's posts have helped me alot also.
So...QS? Seeing as you are so knowledgable about libra men, can you tell me if mine will ever call again? hehehe....J/K
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You mean this one, where's it's been approaching 2 months and you're still waiting for him to call?
So...QS? Seeing as you are so knowledgable about libra men, can you tell me if mine will ever call again? hehehe....J/K "Did you miss the hehehe...J/K P-angel?...In a way I thought it would be nice to hear from him too though, to see how he was...nothing more.
O.K. P-Angel, Read closely....It was approaching two months, he called me Friday...Peoples posts have helped me move on....Does me thinking it would be nice to hear from him before he actually called me Friday mean I am obsessing over him? Geeeez. But, I never called him once. P-Angel, it was not a healthy relationship as I've said and I realize this. Doesn't mean I have 0 feelings about him. We spent alot of time together and with his kids. I am not heartless. But I would never get back together and told him on the phone the only thing I could be is friends...But after the call I realized friends is not the best idea also, as he made it clear he has strong feelings for me still. Now I am moving on....Can you please do the same P-Angel.. With all due respect.
So he said he started drinking more because of this. We drank at the end of every day and we would always argue when we did. I told him it was a lot to do with drinking and let's stop, but he never paid much mind and blamed me most of our (drunken) fights. He is a good man at heart I believe but totally confused. His ex cheated on him about a year ago now and did before this also... and he 'hated' her but stayed there for his kids, until he met me..He will be going through a court battle soon with her, but when with me, he kept on putting it off-(getting lawyer etc). He drank instead.
He said he is a procrastinator and I tried to edge him on to get started. He said I am a great woman with a huge heart, but he can't forgive me talking to this ex/B/F-guy friend (who I should of cut right off a few days after I met him, according to him.) It was 100% platonic though between me and this guy, he knew this. One thing he said from beginning though was he HATES more than anything, liars and cheaters...I think he was referring mostly to his ex 'wife' before who did this, he couldn't stop telling me this through our short lived relationship - "never lie to me or cheat?, I never would cheat and I believe he knew this, but I told him a couple little lies and that started it all I think.
Also I said so many hurtful things to him a few nights before he moved out, as he did me. Both were drinking, of course. Then he'd call and made excuses to come get things of his he left here--this lasted about a week or so after he left. He would always blame me again for talking to the ex and a few other little annoying things he could think of I did. Then one night about 3 days after he left he called me from a bar at midnight and said ?I miss you but we are totally done?-continued...