
Aerazo
@Aerazo
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Posted by AerazoNeither would know how to love properly, communicate or put the other person first. Toxic vs toxic. Bad all around.
Like each other and start dating not knowing the other person has this same tendencies?
What could be some of the issues they have in the relationship?
Any experiences with this situation?




Posted by MysteryShopperHow do we know who wins—
However someone always out douches the other

Posted by MeMyselfAndIntriguedI know, and sometimes is hard to know when to stop when you are feeling challenged.
Tendencies won't be quite the same as full blown. One will probably be worse than the other but still never going to be a healthy combination.

Posted by UrsaMediocreOMG NO!
Every time I see 'boyfriend/girlfriend twins', I think "how narcissistic can you be?" lol![]()
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Posted by MysteryShopperor.. " I do like you (feelings) otherwise I wouldnt be talking to you " the other says " and vice versa"Posted by AerazoWell ideally bothPosted by MysteryShopperHow do we know who wins—
However someone always out douches the other
Some narcs think like "you are great coz why else would I be with you if you weren't"
It's just in the "do you not know who I am" arguments that it sucksclick to expand

Posted by MeMyselfAndIntriguedIt did feel like a competition. Is over now.
Whoever is the worst of the two.

Posted by MysteryShopperPosted by AerazoWell ideally bothPosted by MysteryShopperHow do we know who wins—
However someone always out douches the other
Some narcs think like "you are great coz why else would I be with you if you weren't"
It's just in the "do you not know who I am" arguments that it sucksclick to expand

Posted by MysteryShopperI think if we both knew we had those tendencies we would've been a power couple. At least that's how I saw it. I'm the positive one. lol
Power couple

Posted by MysteryShopperHaha is like we know what's coming but why did youu!!!—Posted by AerazoDating phase I guess yesPosted by MysteryShopperor.. " I do like you (feelings) otherwise I wouldnt be talking to you " the other says " and vice versa"Posted by AerazoWell ideally bothPosted by MysteryShopperHow do we know who wins—
However someone always out douches the other
Some narcs think like "you are great coz why else would I be with you if you weren't"
It's just in the "do you not know who I am" arguments that it sucks
Living together the how dare yous come out ?click to expand

Posted by DickButtCan you be more specific? some scenarios?
Inception

Posted by MeMyselfAndIntriguedI know I have some tendencies, some people have pointed them out when I wasn't aware. Is getting better now as I have been reading a lot and focusing on my increasing my self-awareness. But those tendencies were definitely were triggered by him, and yes like you said Toxic! it was hard to stay away bc I do or did like him. but I can't allow someone to bring that side of me.Posted by MysteryShopperPosted by AerazoWell ideally bothPosted by MysteryShopperHow do we know who wins—
However someone always out douches the other
Some narcs think like "you are great coz why else would I be with you if you weren't"
It's just in the "do you not know who I am" arguments that it sucks
Narcissists usually don't think anyone is as good as they are. The fact that you're aware you are narcissistic and are asking for advice means you're not off the charts. Most won't admit to it or seek advice.
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Posted by AerazoIf he's worse, he's going to pull you down more, degrade you more, have to be more right and not compromise. Whether you're narcissistic or not, he's still him. But then again if you're with an empath, you'll destroy them worse than if the two of you got together. Narcissist feel hurt, but for themselves and not others. Narcissists can't have healthy relationships, but I'd rather see two narcs together than a narc and an empath together.Posted by MysteryShopperI think if we both knew we had those tendencies we would've been a power couple. At least that's how I saw it. I'm the positive one. lol
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Posted by AerazoYou actually don't sound like a narc to me. Narcs are never self aware and don't feel the need to self improve. And everyone has SOME narcissistic traits.Posted by MeMyselfAndIntriguedI know I have some tendencies, some people have pointed them out when I wasn't aware. Is getting better now as I have been reading a lot and focusing on my increasing my self-awareness. But those tendencies were definitely were triggered by him, and yes like you said Toxic! it was hard to stay away bc I do or did like him. but I can't allow someone to bring that side of me.Posted by MysteryShopperPosted by AerazoWell ideally bothPosted by MysteryShopperHow do we know who wins—
However someone always out douches the other
Some narcs think like "you are great coz why else would I be with you if you weren't"
It's just in the "do you not know who I am" arguments that it sucks
Narcissists usually don't think anyone is as good as they are. The fact that you're aware you are narcissistic and are asking for advice means you're not off the charts. Most won't admit to it or seek advice.
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Posted by MysteryShopperNarcissism isn't the opposite of insecurity. Many narcs are very insecure on the inside. They cannot take criticism and deal with narcissistic injury very poorly. It's not the same as vanity or confidence. It's lack of compassion and empathy for others.Posted by AerazoI have Sun in 7th so I guess I like narcissistic people over insecure onesPosted by MysteryShopperHaha is like we know what's coming but why did youu!!!—Posted by AerazoDating phase I guess yesPosted by MysteryShopperor.. " I do like you (feelings) otherwise I wouldnt be talking to you " the other says " and vice versa"Posted by AerazoWell ideally bothPosted by MysteryShopperHow do we know who wins—
However someone always out douches the other
Some narcs think like "you are great coz why else would I be with you if you weren't"
It's just in the "do you not know who I am" arguments that it sucks
Living together the how dare yous come out ?
I don't care at the moment if that is healthy or not
It doesn't affect my life as much yet but down the road I guess it mightclick to expand

Posted by lovecraftianIssue was bigger than just oral sex. and that wasn't the issue at all haha
Whoever receives the least oral loses

Posted by MeMyselfAndIntriguedI'm definitely not an empath. And neither is he. which is why we pushed our buttons too hard.Posted by AerazoIf he's worse, he's going to pull you down more, degrade you more, have to be more right and not compromise. Whether you're narcissistic or not, he's still him. But then again if you're with an empath, you'll destroy them worse than if the two of you got together. Narcissist feel hurt, but for themselves and not others. Narcissists can't have healthy relationships, but I'd rather see two narcs together than a narc and an empath together.Posted by MysteryShopperI think if we both knew we had those tendencies we would've been a power couple. At least that's how I saw it. I'm the positive one. lol
Power coupleclick to expand

Posted by AerazoYou'll always be challenged. No one else can be right, no one else can be better or smarter than the narc. The only way to win is not to play at all.Posted by MeMyselfAndIntriguedI know, and sometimes is hard to know when to stop when you are feeling challenged.
Tendencies won't be quite the same as full blown. One will probably be worse than the other but still never going to be a healthy combination.
Any scenarios? I'm trying to tie some knots.click to expand

Posted by AerazoAlways a competition! And good! Nothing good comes from a relationship with a true narc.Posted by MeMyselfAndIntriguedIt did feel like a competition. Is over now.
Whoever is the worst of the two.click to expand

Posted by AerazoPosted by MeMyselfAndIntriguedI'm definitely not an empath. And neither is he. which is why we pushed our buttons too hard.Posted by AerazoIf he's worse, he's going to pull you down more, degrade you more, have to be more right and not compromise. Whether you're narcissistic or not, he's still him. But then again if you're with an empath, you'll destroy them worse than if the two of you got together. Narcissist feel hurt, but for themselves and not others. Narcissists can't have healthy relationships, but I'd rather see two narcs together than a narc and an empath together.Posted by MysteryShopperI think if we both knew we had those tendencies we would've been a power couple. At least that's how I saw it. I'm the positive one. lol
Power coupleclick to expand

Posted by MeMyselfAndIntriguedI acquired narcissistic tendencies because of a toxic relationship with my ex husband.
And being around a narcissist can make you act narcissistic. You become a product of your surroundings, but it doesn't have to be terminal. I don't think you are a narcissist however.

Posted by AerazoI was married to one for 10 years. I don't think it makes you a narcissist for knowing your stance against him. I'm an empath but I don't take crap either. He met his match when he thought he could keep me in line. But I know I'm not a narc just because I could hold my ground and play his game as good as he could.Posted by MeMyselfAndIntriguedI acquired narcissistic tendencies because of a toxic relationship with my ex husband.
And being around a narcissist can make you act narcissistic. You become a product of your surroundings, but it doesn't have to be terminal. I don't think you are a narcissist however.click to expand


Posted by Tom_SawyerLol, no but once I started doing to him what he was doing to me, he backed off.By this logic, you're a semi-sociopath.
But I know I'm not a narc just because I could hold my ground and playing his game as good as he could.click to expand



Posted by Tom_SawyerPosted by MeMyselfAndIntriguedI'm sure he did, that's his natural way/instinct.Posted by Tom_SawyerLol, no but once I started doing to him what he was doing to me, he backed off.By this logic, you're a semi-sociopath.
But I know I'm not a narc just because I could hold my ground and playing his game as good as he could.
You on the other hand engaged in this playing knowing exactly what you were doing.
Hence, semi-sociopath.
But it's okay. we're all a little sick,
I won't tell anybody.
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Posted by ChuckcemI could see him seeking out his victim personality. Testing me all the time, even when I tried to not play his games I felt the need to come on top and not let him win it.
If they were true narcissists, they would seek out "victim" personalities. Another narcissist wouldn't really work for them, so pretty sure that relationship would never launch.
I think if two people had narcissistic tendencies, then it would be a very bumpy road depending on the personalities of either individual. It would probably reach a boiling point then end.

Posted by AerazoYou classifying yourself as a narcissist?Posted by ChuckcemI could see him seeking out his victim personality. Testing me all the time, even when I tried to not play his games I felt the need to come on top and not let him win it.
If they were true narcissists, they would seek out "victim" personalities. Another narcissist wouldn't really work for them, so pretty sure that relationship would never launch.
I think if two people had narcissistic tendencies, then it would be a very bumpy road depending on the personalities of either individual. It would probably reach a boiling point then end.
Yes it reached a boiling point. it's done. I still have to see him :/click to expand

Posted by ImpulsvNope!Posted by MeMyselfAndIntriguedWhat a dick
He stole the battery out of my car and drove off in his own thinking I'd be stranded. So I used his AAA and his credit card to have my car towed to get a new one. He pulled back in at the same time I did and was scratching his head wondering how my car was working. That doesn't make me a semi sociopath, it just means I'm not going to succumb to him.
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Posted by AerazoRight an observant person will notice the signs and push back. Narcissists HATE resistance because they feed off of the victim-abuser relationship. They can work very slowly and methodically too. I had one as a business partner for years. I saw it coming though and had a very thick skin when she finally let loose. My employees couldn't handle it though. So I wound up breaking things off.Posted by ChuckcemI could see him seeking out his victim personality. Testing me all the time, even when I tried to not play his games I felt the need to come on top and not let him win it.
If they were true narcissists, they would seek out "victim" personalities. Another narcissist wouldn't really work for them, so pretty sure that relationship would never launch.
I think if two people had narcissistic tendencies, then it would be a very bumpy road depending on the personalities of either individual. It would probably reach a boiling point then end.
Yes it reached a boiling point. it's done. I still have to see him :/click to expand

Posted by UnderFireThis part especially. After I moved out of the martial bedroom while trying to figure out how I was going to finance such a high conflict, contested divorce, I found a hidden camera pointed at my bed well after I ended relations. He'd pick the lock to my room and walk in while I was laying in bed, he'd pick the lock and come into the bathroom, he put 95 miles on my car I had only driven off the lot and had parked in the driveway and had the keys well hidden, while I was out of state with a friend in her car (this was actually after the divorce was final and he was off my insurance), and after he was ordered to move out, he refused to give me his key and used it to come in again while I was sleeping in bed with my door open. His reasoning behind all of it was "I do what I want when I want". The police said if he comes on the property again without written consent I can have him arrested for criminal trespass. He still comes in the yard and gets in the garage whenever he wants. As long as he's not able to get into the house, I'm not going to let my kids watch him being arrested, but I did have to change the locks. This house is in his name, which was why I couldn't kick him out. I was just recently granted exclusive occupancy and he still tries to say with his warped mind that he's my landlord to try to gain entry. That's a psychopath right there actually!
They have no boundaries.

Posted by UnderFireAnd this!
They will then get mad when you try to defend yourself and they will blame you for causing the drama.

Posted by MeMyselfAndIntriguedExactly! sometimes I didn't know if it was just the fact that I was standing up for myself, I learned how to manipulate him too just to avoid his and at the end he seemed to have been the victim when I left him after 12yrs.Posted by AerazoI was married to one for 10 years. I don't think it makes you a narcissist for knowing your stance against him. I'm an empath but I don't take crap either. He met his match when he thought he could keep me in line. But I know I'm not a narc just because I could hold my ground and play his game as good as he could.Posted by MeMyselfAndIntriguedI acquired narcissistic tendencies because of a toxic relationship with my ex husband.
And being around a narcissist can make you act narcissistic. You become a product of your surroundings, but it doesn't have to be terminal. I don't think you are a narcissist however.click to expand

Posted by AerazoThey HATE being ignored. It's best when they'll discard you first and find a new supply, because when you try to end it first, they get wounded and are relentless. You got lucky in your case in that he moved on swiftly.Posted by MeMyselfAndIntriguedExactly! sometimes I didn't know if it was just the fact that I was standing up for myself, I learned how to manipulate him too just to avoid his and at the end he seemed to have been the victim when I left him after 12yrs.Posted by AerazoI was married to one for 10 years. I don't think it makes you a narcissist for knowing your stance against him. I'm an empath but I don't take crap either. He met his match when he thought he could keep me in line. But I know I'm not a narc just because I could hold my ground and play his game as good as he could.Posted by MeMyselfAndIntriguedI acquired narcissistic tendencies because of a toxic relationship with my ex husband.
And being around a narcissist can make you act narcissistic. You become a product of your surroundings, but it doesn't have to be terminal. I don't think you are a narcissist however.
So know I'm just guarded and the last guy I was seeing had many red flags in that way but I didn't want to bring it up as an issue because I've known him for only 6 months.
At the end we just kept pushing things until he went to Cali and posted pictures with a girl. I never texted him again but 2 weeks prior I had gone to Miami and he went too (separately) he got me upset and I ignored him throughout the trip and didn't talk to him until days after we got back. He was furious and told me he was gonna go to see the girl and he did. So yeah now it's over.click to expand

Posted by Tom_SawyerYes, he did say we were mutual. I saw it as a good thing since we both wanted similar things but it was obvious he wants a girl who is less than him and I wasn't gonna lower myself to that. He hated not being in control not just of me but not being able to control my emotions so he tested me in several occassions.Posted by AerazoA wolf can spot a wolf, even if it look's like a Husky
Like each other and start dating not knowing the other person has this same tendencies?
What could be some of the issues they have in the relationship?
Any experiences with this situation?
In this scenario, they would both escalate quickly and if they could put their " good acts" aside, they would see a mirror image of them selves in one another.
By the mirror image, I mean the tacticts used.
Most people are narcissists, so picture you settling for a guy, now picture the guy also settling for you.
One's gonna out-weight the other, sooner or later.
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Posted by MeMyselfAndIntriguedGood thing you used his card haha and that's really fucked up he did that!
He stole the battery out of my car and drove off in his own thinking I'd be stranded. So I used his AAA and his credit card to have my car towed to get a new one. He pulled back in at the same time I did and was scratching his head wondering how my car was working. That doesn't make me a semi sociopath, it just means I'm not going to succumb to him.

Posted by MontgomeryNot an actual narcissist but some tendencies or it's just the fact that I can stand up for myself and play his games too, it's the need to win and show him that I'm not stupid that makes me do things that I regret later and hurt too.Posted by AerazoYou classifying yourself as a narcissist?Posted by ChuckcemI could see him seeking out his victim personality. Testing me all the time, even when I tried to not play his games I felt the need to come on top and not let him win it.
If they were true narcissists, they would seek out "victim" personalities. Another narcissist wouldn't really work for them, so pretty sure that relationship would never launch.
I think if two people had narcissistic tendencies, then it would be a very bumpy road depending on the personalities of either individual. It would probably reach a boiling point then end.
Yes it reached a boiling point. it's done. I still have to see him :/
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Posted by ChuckcemYes sometimes with him I wanted to show him that I won't let him control me that way and that I outsmart him.Posted by AerazoRight an observant person will notice the signs and push back. Narcissists HATE resistance because they feed off of the victim-abuser relationship. They can work very slowly and methodically too. I had one as a business partner for years. I saw it coming though and had a very thick skin when she finally let loose. My employees couldn't handle it though. So I wound up breaking things off.Posted by ChuckcemI could see him seeking out his victim personality. Testing me all the time, even when I tried to not play his games I felt the need to come on top and not let him win it.
If they were true narcissists, they would seek out "victim" personalities. Another narcissist wouldn't really work for them, so pretty sure that relationship would never launch.
I think if two people had narcissistic tendencies, then it would be a very bumpy road depending on the personalities of either individual. It would probably reach a boiling point then end.
Yes it reached a boiling point. it's done. I still have to see him :/click to expand

Posted by inmercurySounds like his ex is an overt, somatic narc, when your husband is a covert (closeted narc). Covert narcs don't need sex with others and will blame it on chemistry or tell you you're a nympho and claim that you make sex more important than what it is. They are typically asexual and can remain celibate with no problem.
There are different types of narcissists. My mother was the worst kind.. and being the child of a narcissist is probably the worst relationship anyone can have to a narcissist. Thank your lucky stars you are on equal terms, meaning you don't have to be dependent on one. You can cut off the cord more easily than a child of a narc.
My husband was in a 15 year marriage of this type. His moon sign was her sun sign and his sun sign was her moon sign, so talk about narcissism! Ha.
He said there wasn't much sexual chemistry and he started to just consider her a friend. He is more of a mild closet narcissist while she is ridiculously obvious in her narcissism. very obviously insecure as well, though she doesn't see it. (She hates her race, has had plastic surgery to make herself look more white, and seems to think she looks amazing now).
Even after being separated she still emails him and doesn't seem to understand he's not into her anymore. She will make comments about things we are doing and make it about her ("I would never move to where you are moving. that place was so mentally abusive for me") or seek approval for the things she is doing ("I was on the local news! ...I'm getting paid for my job now! My credit is back up! No thanks to you!") She was barely making any income and yet she blamed him for their huge debt. never mind that he paid off her student loans. meanwhile she bought an expensive car with the money she got from the divorce. His discussions about her also blame her. No one will take any blame and it's clear they have enabled childish behaviors in each other. They are both in their early 40s but they act like they're 20. My husband makes a lot of money and has a respectable job but he has no clue what he's doing with other areas of his life. He hasn't learned how to get into healthy relationships. He thought he was supposed to win me over with money and gifts, probably because his ex wife used him for that. He admitted to me that in relationships he will tell someone he loves them just to get a reaction out of them. This is because narcissists don't know how to love, so they measure "love" in terms of how much someone else loves them. This doesn't work when a narc tries to find a measure of love in another narc.
One has to take charge of the relationship and show how much they want to be in the relationship, and then the other will follow through because that kind of attention makes him fall in love. But this is the difference between two types of narcs. For the type who seek approval or "play the game", they often are insatiable. they will seek approval from many people, especially if they are not getting enough of it from their lover. It's never enough for some true narcissists, and it definitely won't be enough if they're seeking approval from a narc because they won't get it. They will fight over who is in control, they will bicker until one person just gives up and doesn't care anymore.
Let me tell you - fixed signs as narcs are the worst. They want everyone to bend to their will.
It's so true that you just have to stop playing the game, but I honestly love playing with some of them because they are so fragile. You just have to know their weaknesses and not be in a place where they can affect you in any way. If you are ever dependent on one, do whatever it takes to not be dependent on them. They will suffocate you and do whatever they can to leech onto you. I had to move to another state to get my mom to stop. That's why I can sort of understand what my husband is going through, even though he's also a narc.

Posted by ChuckcemYes many times you can spot them and it's sad that they just hurt people, good thing you broke it off because those people are better off alone or with someone who wouldn't mind taking the position of the submissive. Believe it or not, .any women like that..Posted by AerazoRight an observant person will notice the signs and push back. Narcissists HATE resistance because they feed off of the victim-abuser relationship. They can work very slowly and methodically too. I had one as a business partner for years. I saw it coming though and had a very thick skin when she finally let loose. My employees couldn't handle it though. So I wound up breaking things off.Posted by ChuckcemI could see him seeking out his victim personality. Testing me all the time, even when I tried to not play his games I felt the need to come on top and not let him win it.
If they were true narcissists, they would seek out "victim" personalities. Another narcissist wouldn't really work for them, so pretty sure that relationship would never launch.
I think if two people had narcissistic tendencies, then it would be a very bumpy road depending on the personalities of either individual. It would probably reach a boiling point then end.
Yes it reached a boiling point. it's done. I still have to see him :/click to expand

Posted by AerazoMost of them are woman haters. Misogynistic! My ex embarrassed me so bad one time we were in NYC looking at the Christmas window display on Saks Fifth Avenue. This lady in line behind me kept bumping into me. He started yelling at her and called her a dyke in front of everyone. I was rendered speechless.Posted by ChuckcemYes sometimes with him I wanted to show him that I won't let him control me that way and that I outsmart him.Posted by AerazoRight an observant person will notice the signs and push back. Narcissists HATE resistance because they feed off of the victim-abuser relationship. They can work very slowly and methodically too. I had one as a business partner for years. I saw it coming though and had a very thick skin when she finally let loose. My employees couldn't handle it though. So I wound up breaking things off.Posted by ChuckcemI could see him seeking out his victim personality. Testing me all the time, even when I tried to not play his games I felt the need to come on top and not let him win it.
If they were true narcissists, they would seek out "victim" personalities. Another narcissist wouldn't really work for them, so pretty sure that relationship would never launch.
I think if two people had narcissistic tendencies, then it would be a very bumpy road depending on the personalities of either individual. It would probably reach a boiling point then end.
Yes it reached a boiling point. it's done. I still have to see him :/
We crossed words many times sarcastically but at least that was telling me what be wanted.
One day at a party of his friends I asked where the guys wife was because I hadn't seen her and he replied: she's in the kitchen like every wife should be.
So I laughed and said doing What?
He said: washing the dishes
I said: that's what the dishwasher is for
He made it personal and said: But I like them handwashed.
I said: You'd have to wash them yourself.
So from an outside topic he used to say things that made them personal about us.
Now that we aren't together he posted a video of this girl walking on a super market isle showing her ass and in high heels and it just looked low and disgusting. Even if it's another girl it just made me lose respect for him for doing that.
He would have never posted something of me showing me off like that. He only posted one of us and it was a sweet picture. So I know he respected me that way, I can see he has no respect for this girl for the things he posted about her and its a week after meeting her and she doesn't live in this state so no one knows her, she doesn't even know him.click to expand

Posted by UnderFireNo, I'm not a narcissist but I have some tendencies. I had to learn to play the game when I was with an abusive husband for 12 yrs. only the last 4yrs he started showing and I always contradicted him which again pushed things to the edge. I tried to make him aware and go to therapy but he never wanted to. So I just started doing me, outsmarting him and playing the games, he didn't like it and started acting like the victim.
If you think you're a narc, that actually means you're not, because, ain't no narc will ever admit to that.
You see, these people never see their own issues. They have no boundaries. They feel entitled to say whatever they feel is true, and litter their opinions, whether it's rude, hurtful, or not true at all. They will then get mad when you try to defend yourself and they will blame you for causing the drama.
The only way to win with a toxic person is not to play.

Posted by AerazoPosted by MeMyselfAndIntriguedGood thing you used his card haha and that's really fucked up he did that!
He stole the battery out of my car and drove off in his own thinking I'd be stranded. So I used his AAA and his credit card to have my car towed to get a new one. He pulled back in at the same time I did and was scratching his head wondering how my car was working. That doesn't make me a semi sociopath, it just means I'm not going to succumb to him.click to expand
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What could be some of the issues they have in the relationship?
Any experiences with this situation?