Believe or not (Page 2)

I forgive you boner, I don't feel any better.

Good , then bless you and your fogiveness?
😉

god is said to be beyond human understanding... how would we even know if it was god?

"faith" could be for some.... the source of all, that is love. "free will" could simply be the choice of how we live our lives..

Each person that is religious is ultimately selfish. Why? People do good things because they want to go to heaven. People feel bad for doing bad things because they don't want to go to hell. I believe in my own concience. I believe that the goodness of mankind is achievable when we are in one of two states. One: when we are too young to remember anything...and Two: when we are too old to remember anything. For those of you that are people of faith, I respect your tenacity.

People do good things because they want to go to heaven


well i know alot of people who worship God and serve others not coz of FEAR but out of love ( both for God and their bros and sis)....They dont want a reward they just love seeing people happy.... YES i agree there are lots of self-righteous people too but u cant label all good people as selfish coz thats not right... you dont know people's hearts and their intentions....

GO us!!!

Some Pharisees asked Jesus when the Kingdom of God would come. His answer was: "The Kingdom of God does not come in such a way as to be seen. No one will say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!'; because the Kingdom of God is within you."



well everyone interprets the scirptures the way they want to... this scirpture ( according to christianity) is talking about the second coming of christ....

time for the liz spin on this one.

I wouldn't literally know what to say.
He'd probably know i'm calmed & relaxed.

It has been said, over and over, that when the anti-christ comes, a multitude of people will be fooled . . even the clergy.

It was said earlier, I don't remember who, that a christian would know if it was really God, or not (paraphrazing here). How is it that christians believe they will know the difference, when even a Priest for example, won't know?

If even the highest of religious dignataries will be tricked, why would God allow that? If you take a person who spent their whole lives worshipping him and giving all their love to the diety . . then, this God who is supposed to love us, will let this holy man be fooled and go to hell? Does anyone besides myself fully comprehend what this means?

What is it all for, then? If you spend a lifetime, doing exactly what you're suppose to do, being faithful to your God . . then, in the end, this God will let be damned?

What happened to this free will thing? If in your free will, you choose to be a good little lamb, so you won't be punished . . then, in the end your punished anyway?

If there is a God, he's not very nice or loving, is he?

So, then, does this actually mean that Satan is stronger than God?

If the clergy and good Christians will be tricked, God apparantly can't overpower the devil and is defenseless against stopping him from tricking us. So, if this is the case, why is there still purgatory? Wouldn't it be logical that if God was powerless in stopping Satan from taking the holy people, then God would then send them directly to Heaven, instead of purgatory? If people are in purgatory, then Satan can get at them because they aren't protected in the Kingdom.

Religion freaks me out. In my mind, everything has to reason out. And there's no rhyme or reason for any of it. What's the point in spending a lifetime praising God, if in the end, Satan gets us anyway because God can't protect us?

And God can't, it is said, multitudes of people will be fooled, even the clergy.

So, we WON'T know. No matter how deep people's faith is . . . they will burn in hell anyway.

P ANGEL-What if you found yourself standing in front of God, would you believe it was really him? Or, think it was the devil? For, does anyone really see God with their own eyes.

If it's him and you don't believe, you're damned.

If it's the devil and you believe it's the diety, you're damned.

I believe that whether we are good or bad, foolish or wise, blind or with sight etc, we would all somehow know that it is GOD or NOT! It's just like we know who the King is and who is the servant. Between Satan and God there will be a pure contrast, and we will have no doubt watsoever as to who is who!

Clergy will be fooled but not as to who is God and who is not.. They will be fooled by the wordly nature of the religion. Eg. the pharises and the so called good men of that time were fooled coz they were looking for a literal warrior to save them (from the Roman oppression and not from sin!)and not a humble man from Nazareth...

Fools !!!

To think that YOU, the good little christian actually has the ability to KNOW that the man standing in front of them is not Christ, rather, the Anti . . .

Yet, a Priest, who is more humbled before God than anyone in here will ever be . . CANNOT tell the difference from Christ and the Anti . . .

Well, keep believing, because you'll need that heat keeping you warm when the earth is destroyed and there's nobody manning the electric generators, is all I can say, at this point, because . . the only person I really know is me . . and I'd never be so arrogant as to think I am mightier than who I am.

Message posted by: james tate on 7/3/2006 3:54:13 PM ip: xxx.xxx.xxx.154

those whom the god wishes to destroy he drives mad first a bit o Latin good Catholics know this.


Well damn jt, finally, someone with an answer . . know I have a reason for my maddness.

Read it, couple times, different versions.

Still, it's just "faith" and nothing more . . the "nothing more" is the thorn in my side. It implies that we are a condriction to the very reason WHY we are here.

Most people don't see this far away, so, I'm not upset that people don't believe as I do, for they are them. To ONLY view things this closely, an "Answer" that is closed, when the universe represents infinite possibilities . . is beyond my grasp.

I am the Universe, because I am aware. "The Way" leads no where, except into a chained room of remorse for crimes not committed by me.

My questions that I post on here, aren't actual questions, rather, relating to whomever wants to read, that "I Am Aware", and can "See" . . not a sightless sheep.

'God is an eternal life-force that lives in all of us. i think religion for the most part has gotten way too complicated and dictatorial; seems everyone has a million opinions which is okay, but the fanatics and the no-it-all's 'don't get me started...LOL* *i just live by my heart, have faith that there is something bigger out there; surround myself with positive thoughts and positive people, hang-on and hope for the best.. 😉

"why be mad at those who want to live theres"

Mad? Don't be so naive . . I speak for myself, others may do as they wish.

Anger at nobody except the one who was suppose to have made me out of love, but, too cowardly to test his own honor. If you CHOOSE to take my personal views to heart, so you can relish in the pain of it . . you have free will, that gives you the right to suffer as much as you wish, for words that aren't intended as a way for you to live.

However, I'm certainly not surprised that one would take another's life struggle upon theirselves to endure a pain from something that is not theirs to take . . that proves that the programming is successful . . that is, to the ones who can only see, one way.

I am the Universe . . you live where you choose and leave my understanding of the meaning of life through the Diety where it belongs, with me . . it is mine.

"you come across to me not as enlightened and aware but as a predatory bird who
waits for something smaller to make a move so you can swoop in and peck at it. just
to show ur a big bird! just to show your feathers off."

Free will gives people to make their own choices, so I'm told as one of the answers to my questioning as to why we exist, what does it mean, why doesn't it make sense?

Sorry for making you feel small, for that is what it is, or it wouldn't have come to mind.

I choose to believe that God is a lie. It's part of the programming to keep us within confined parameters, so we don't ponder the real truth. The bible is designed to intimidate us, so we will live in fear of it and not question.

Those are chains that are not around me, for I Think, therefore, I AM

"the bible says that EVERY knee will bow down and worship HIM when the real deal arrives"

Worship? For what purpose? Thus far, I haven't a shred of evidence that he even exists, why would I bow down, or worship?

Have you ever thought about this backwards (that is forward in my mind) . . there is no proof that God exists, only ancient writings that claim it to be true . . so, if people are worshipping a God that they have no substantial proof is REAL, isn't it possible that the worshipping is of a false God?

Is it worth that risk?

That could mean damnation. 'Faith' isn't proof, that's just what people do because they don't know how to answer the question . . because there isn't one.

Only a pain in the ass to those who choose to listen, little bird.

This thread I started long before you ever decided to walk through the door. It began with my musings of how I view the world according to my perspective, if it was your choice to come and participate, you, or, anybody else is welcome . . however, I am me, I therefore, think for myself, opinionate from my own beliefs . . and will do so, so long as I have free choice.

If the talk in here, the thread I created to vent my questions to the universe . . is too much for your feelings to bear, you know where the door is, for you freely walked in.

Ironically, however, not surprisingly, it takes very little effort to turn one from proclaiming their goodness because of the "faith", into one who would shout profanities.

Perhaps, this should be a lesson to us all . . for in the least likely places, the power of evil can not only be found, also, has such influence as to manipulate the innocent into behaving wickedly.

Hmmmmmmm, quickly losing hope in the ability of identifying the Anti-Christ, then. You were blinded by me . . thinking that Lucifer is likely tricksy !!!!

lol,

Life is a mockery, in itself . . why not feed it?

What is it that I want?

Everything, yesterday, for I was alive then, as well.

However, I don't anyone to change to suit me, only to you, if it's appropriate.

I want to know WHY?

Why God has made a mockery out of his people, by claiming to be the almighty, but, not having the courage to support his proclaiming by facing us?

Or, from saving his people from unwarranted, innocent suffering? Keeping in mind, of course, that the suffering we endure is for HIS benefit, on HIS behalf.

Why God would threaten us with terror? Fear Him? Does this mean the foundation of our love for him is built off the principal of terror? Bin Laden comes to mind, same principal, isn't it?

The Universe doesn't answer, though I know it hears me. The only answers I get are the ones within the confines of the invisible chains of suppression . . "Blind Faith".
The vibrations can be felt, if one chooses to open their minds. Subliminal programming is difficult to tune out, and override . . takes time and focus, but, mainly,
"awareness".

Free me, echoes can be heard, once in a while . . however, the evilness of the inprisonment within the barriers of the faithful, is stronger in might than the goodness of the individual sentient intelligence . . and, they grow more faint each day, as the blood of our world continues to spill.

Whatever brings peace to you, in your time of grief is your own. Mine is here, where I make it, because here is where I choose to be.

Again, don't be naive . . I speak to myself . . ask questions of the Universe, if you CHOOSE to believe that what I say is meant for you, then so be it . . that is your choice.

"BITCHING. MAKES ME SICK."

And, yet, here you remain, though, several times, you thought you made the choice to leave. Ironic, how little choice people really have, even when they are so appalled it makes them feel sick.

Curious thing, this gift from God, called, "Free Choice". Why can't we have it, if it's a gift to us? Even when we believe we have made the choice, we haven't done so? How is that possible? Could it be, it doesn't exist?

If our gift is free choice, then why aren't we allowed to use it for the purpose of loving God? We think everyday of our lives about issues, things we need to do, errands to run, people to call, duties to perform . . but, when it comes to God, we aren't allowed to use this precise gift. We aren't allowed to use our brains, for that's what free choice is, isn't it? Our intelligence that allows us to make our own decisions? Alas, the almight Dog, I mean, God, forbides us from using this gift. We may NOT think about it . . we must instead, close our eyes and jump, no questions, no answers, just completely blind in the dark.

If free choice is ours to use then why must people within religious factions do everything possible to influence others of thier beliefs? They knock on your door, wave banners in protest . . why? Why attempt to influence somebody to sway in a direction other than what choice people made? I thought that was a gift? Does this mean that this gift can be disregarded whenever Christians are present. In every translation and version I read in the Bible, I don't recall this condition to having free choice.

Not long ago, I recall reading about a religious group who were protesting abortions, were reduced to throwing rocks at the patients who entered this particular clinic. What reduced them to that, I wonder? I thought they had free choice? If the purpose for Bible Thumpers to intrude upon the lives of others (who have already made their choice), is for the purpose of saving their lives and showing them the way to a better life through Jesus . . then is this better life of Christianity one that teaches their people to throw rocks at others entering a clinic?

"YOU ARE NOT THE ONE TO SHOW PEOPLE THE WAY."

Why would I want to do that? So, they can becothrow stones at people entering a clinic.

In my own irony, my freedom of choice is NOT within my own brain . . the place I strive to obtain to higher levels.

Cursed by the accepted concept of the Diety that has caused mankind to destroy each other, to prove our faithfulness . . there's no escape . . on every continent the evilness of this shield is strongly holding man to the sacred promise of eternal life, an eternal life that has threatened us with terror.

I Think, therefore I Am . . contridicts the purpose of our gift . . "Free Will", for our precious gift doesn't apply to one who gave it lovingly.

Free Will is a mockery, in itself . . it isn't allowed to use . . "Blind Faith" is what is allowed to use.

Isn't it curious, how a person like me can talk for herself and to herself on her philosophies about a topic and not reference a particular person and how they MUST live or feel, or behave, or choose . . only herself and her beliefs. Yet, another can point out specifically, another person by name, with the intentions of trying to change, or influence this person with their beliefs . . hence: taking away free will

Everyone else can view life as they choose . . this is allowed of others because they think they have 'free will'. They have the choice to sit and listen to another that they don't agree with, or, they can simply ignore. If they choose to sit and listen, but, the words aren't as they like, they would make the claim that the other is wrong, and make them see as they do. Hence: taking away free will

My outlook on life is my own. If I choose to burn in hell, or have eternal afterlife with God . . that is my choice. Other's have the choice, they can parley with the devil, such as someone like me, or, they can have the bliss of ignoring me . . it's a choice.

Who is worthy of making judgements?

The non-believer can make judgements on the believer
The believer can make judgements on the non-believer

Which one is right? Which one is above the other? Will God actually find this a Christian quality? A person who thinks they are worthy enough to make judgements on his behave? He is God, he holds the only position of being able to do this.

So, if a believer in him thinks they can make an assessment of another, I would tend to think that God, himself, would find this a damnation, for HE is God, not the lamb.

For, me . . what do I care? He is just a fictional character, so I have no atoning to do for blasphemy. And that is what it is . . . one thinking they are God and making the judgement of another as to whether they are worthy of him, or not.

Hypocracy . . I just love it . . always will. It keeps us humbled.

"know what you are.
you are defintely not victim who is in danger of brainwashing.
you have a agenda of your own.
you are one of these hitler types that hate anything that gives others their own choice.
you speak of choice but thats not what you want for everybody.
only for yourself and the ones who agree with you."


No shit, silly boy/girl, whatever . . that's what I've been trying to tell you for two pages, because in here, in this room . . I'm talking to myself, my own ponderings, not talking to you, or anybody else . . so, naturally, I have my own agenda in here with my wondering about the meaning of it all.

How many times do I have to keep telling, suvant, that my thoughts are my own? Lady/Man, I'm talking to MYSELF, with all this about God. As each person comes in here and says something different . . then off I go pondering what it means, tasting it with my mind to see if it's right for me . . not seeing if it's right for YOU.

I don't even frigging know you . .lol

What is sanity? Is it not having the mental capacity to understand another? What don't you understand?

I'M TALKING TO MYSELF.

Message posted by: james tate on 7/3/2006 3:54:13 PM ip: xxx.xxx.xxx.154

those whom the god wishes to destroy he drives mad first



Yes, perhaps . . we're all mad.

"Jesus doesnt hold it against you ...why should I? I dont think you are
unworthy to be in any christian church."

You ARE mad, then. That is it . . that is the trick . . to make a person soooooo blind that they cannot even comprehend beyond the barriers of persecution.

The Christian Church is unworthy of me . . for I am AWARE. It could not contain me.

Perhaps, there is a path that will show itself . . but, certainly not Christianity, for it is a contridiction within istelf. It tells you to be a good lamb, yet, allows ANYBODY to pass the golden gates . . no matter your sin.

Anyone at any time could commit any sin they choose and do so their entire life, then take Jesus into their heart, and he will lead them to the Father . . a mass murderer, a pedophile, a rapist . . any crime of man, or God . . and all will be forgiven.

There's NO reason to be a good little lamb . . goodness in people means nothing if Jesus isn't Lord.

Could give every cent you made to feed starving children, could be the sweetest, most pleasant person in the world, who never said a harsh word to anyone - NOT be saved by Jesus and burn in hell.

Bullshit, not in this lifetime will a consideration ever be made to "follow" such influence, one that would lead me to stray . . the path leads nowhere for me.

If the time came . . . something extremely different from Christianity would be my road. To me, I can't see where Jesus has saved anything. Certainly not the innocent people of this world who have been good children to him . . prayed everyday to him, and still . . the blood is shed in his honor.

If he is real, he has forsaken his people.

Message posted by: P-Angel on 6/29/2006 4:34:43 PM ip: xxx.xxx.xxx.231
What if you found yourself standing in front of God, would you believe it was really him? Or, think it was the devil? For, does anyone really see God with their own eyes.

If it's him and you don't believe, you're damned.
If it's the devil and you believe it's the diety, you're damned.



Back to my same question . . and still . .

Maybe it's the wrong question I'm asking. Maybe it's designed to ask this ONE question, and nothing more . . will I be damned? That's why there is only vibrations, but, no voice, sight cannot be used, our precious gift of free choice can't be used to solve this equation because the wrong question has been asked.

What is Heaven? What is Hell?

To take on the assumed guilt that I AM DAMNED ALREADY and that atonement must be made in order to not be damned . . is backwards. Already, by my birth, condemned to hell, unless the begging for forgiveness is made. The choice has already been made for me, already the sin has been laid upon me . . bullshit. Guilt will not dictate my life. Intimidation will not bring me to his knees. I fear nothing . . Fear Me !!

What is the question, then? The right one, the one that God will answer?

Often, I've wondered about the passages in the bible, as to the time-line. The missing chapters are slowly being found and integrated into the tale. Everything just flows along, then . . it all stops . . just drops you off and leaves you dangling . . then, of course, the end of the story is present (Revelation).

Isn't that odd? How did the last chapter manage to find it's way with the first half of the book? Coincedence? So, Jesus was actually having sex . . according to missing chapters . . out of wedlock . . very curious. All the things that we humans today consider to be "worldly" is actually what is intended for us . . we've just been blinded by only having a portion of the information to go by (first half of the bible, including just the end to scare us).

What is that suppose to mean? I mean, he was an Aries, for Christ's Sake and well, sexual interaction is something they CANNOT live without easily. He was doing it out of wedlock, or, at least, the way we interpret marriage today. If she was a virgin and he took her, then that is all the bible says a man has to do. The official marriage we perform today is really just "worldly" and not a requirement of the Diety. For God, a man just has to take a woman to his bed and she becomes his . . so, really how we percieve adultry ISN'T accurate, according to God.

Men had many wives and concubines and God approved.
However, he did not approve of Jesus, for he let him die horribly.
Curious . . . .

Jesus performed miracles, influenced people with his preaching and teaching, he had the ability to gather multitudes of people to believe in his cause and all the sheep fell to their knees in his presence and still do today . . yet, God doesn't approve of Jesus for he let the apostle suffer in horrible pain and didn't come to aid, his only child. Before Jesus, god made appearances, talked to a select few, gave signs for all on the eath to hear, see and feel. But, it all stopped once Jesus was able to influence people and called it free will. Why has god stopped? Why was god close to people of the earth, until the day came that Jesus was able to influence people?

Curious indeed . . .

A multitude of people will be fooled . . even the clergy.

It kind of makes sense, doesn't it? Yes, this does made everything fit into place logically . . everything, the reason why chapters were deliberately tossed except the end, God stopping in his aid with his children, even the clergy being fooled thinking the Anti was actually Christ.

Geeez, Jesus Christ is Satan . . multitudes of people, even the highest of Priest's have already been fooled . . they've been dropping to their knees for centuries, worshipping the devil. Oh my God . . that is it . . now I'm getting close to knowing what the right question is to ask of god, so he'll answer me.

Jesus had to have been the Anti-Christ . .

Since his birth, people have been fooled into believing that he is the way. Christians have a golden pass directly to hell. That is the trick !!! That's how Priests and even the Pope will be decieved. That answers my original question as to why God allows people to worship a false idol . . because it's Jesus who's allowing it, Satan.

So, I'm not damned, afterall.

Thinking about suicide also leaves questions. Why would every sin be forgiven except that one, when God himself allows sacrifices? A contridiction. To him, death from this world to live in the Heavens is the right path . . so, what difference does it make to die from the flesh, if you're a good Christian? It doesn't and it doesn't make sense. However, if the Anti-Christ (Jesus) made the lambs believe this, through his deciet, then that would certainly keep the "blind" blinded, wouldn't it? It would keep them suffereing for his benefit.

God said to multiply . . certainly he knows that sex is fabulous, he gave us the parts. A sin to fornicate? lol, how backwards could people be? We're suppose to screw each other and have fun at it . . but, if the devil disguised as the christ said this, then we would stop, thinking we were going to hell, when in reality, by not having 100's of wives and not having sex . . we're damning ourselves.

No matter what issue is looked at . . it's backwards, thinking Jesus was christ. Forwards knowing that Jesus was Satan. God stopped everything, his influence, his love, his mercy and compasstion once people of the world starting worshipping the devil and calling him the holy saviour.

Jesus is the problem. All the other religions (non-christian) can see this, they know the way to Heaven.

Furthermore, what about Heaven and Hell? What is there to do?

Heaven: watch God as he sits on the throne FOREVER. Nothing is really mentioned in the bible as to what there is in heaven that would want us to make up our minds "free will" to strive to be in his kingdom, except to forever exist.

Hell: I'm thinking in hell, I'd be tied to worldly possessions, so I can keep my car, consume alcohol, have sex . . . which is also forever.

Is it really a choice?lol

Seems reasonable that if God wanted us to want to be with him, he'd make it attractive.

Romans 5:14

Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.



Life does not matter to God, as much as it matters to the lambs . . death riegned . . beit, a sinner or not. So, is it what Romans is telling us is that the people who lived up until the time of Moses . . were the living dead? Since people were indeed alive, so they were living while death riegned . . however, Romans is telling us that . .


Adam wasn't real . . the bible is taken too literally . . Adam was a description of the one to come, not a person. He was speeking metaphorically of his vision of the perfect child, living in peace, in paradise on earth . . he's given a woman to take . .

So, if this Jesus is really christ and he is the one God speaks of when thinking about the prototype (Adam), then why isn't Jesus allowed to rejoice in a female? Then, strict religions would NOT allowed their emmisaries a woman, in the name of what's holy?

My God . . what have we done . . and call it your calling?

If . . IF . . Jesus is Christ . .

The father spoke of his vision of the world to come, in his dream, he saw what paradise would look like for the one to come and live (live, NOT suppress) and relayed this beautiful setting in the description of the Garden of Eden and Adam . . this was a description, NOT ACTUAL EVENTS . . Romans 5:14 . ."as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come."

A birth in April, when the shepards were out all night tending to thier sheep . . brought forth the beginning of the life that God described in Genesis . . his Adam was born . . eat, love and rejoice in the bodies of man and woman . . here is Eve . . and there was Mary, Jesus's woman . . probably many, many more since God approved of men having sex with multiple wives . . it's likely since only when two men sodomized each other that damned destruction followed, and since men had multiple wives . . that the union of two females bodies . . is acceptable to God. The bible ONLY speaks of two men together sexually being worthy of his wrath . . this makes sense, since men were allowed as many sexual encounters with women as liked is permitted . . a man only has to sleep with a woman and she becomes his . . legal marriage today by every christian is living in the world, obeying worldly influences . . not God's.

Probably is the real explanation why women out number men in this world . . we're suppose to fuck . . .


HELLO

So, here's this world, for the one to come . . he's here . . and he's virginal? You've got to be kidding me? Here, God said to Adam (the vision of Jesus) . . a woman to have . . rock on, mate. God's got it right, not Christianity . . multiply until your hearts content . . if she gets old, take another . . as many as you want. Here, you don't even have to marry them . . we'll call them concubines, ok? Fuck away . .

And Jesus isn't allowed?

Geez, all this stuff is so ludicrious . . just read the damn bible for what it's saying and not what the church is dictating to you, it's saying.

God wants people to have sex, lol

my SHABOOM that rat can ramble on.