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And for the record, I don't care what anyone else says or who says it- that God isn't the same one as mine. My God doesn't suggest anything like that...

....and as long as we're on the topic, I believe the Jehova's witnesses, while they have a nice idea, should stop visiting my house every weekend. They'll never convince me to convert to that, at least not if it means preaching what they preach and believing in it. I think God's already here on Earth, and so is Jesus. I'm not just talking about the guy who owns the webpage about how he looks like Jesus either! They're both all around in everybody's mind, and they won't leave either because nobody's going to stop talking about them; or at least I don't expect anybody to.

O.k so lets re-cap...

Luz, you suggest above that man created God...— That is rediculous. That statement right there shows you have absolutley no concept of what God is. God is omnipotent...God is the origin of all...he created you...NOT the other way around.

Josh, you seem only to associate God only with events that irritate you and or destructive events brought about by M-E-N...NOT God so is it any wonder you have trouble identifying the right God or with a God at all...your focus is on the negative...

James, well James you say you're an athiest and that is your choice and thats fine, but if there is no God then the order of events and ways of the world have surely been run and controlled by Man ever since he gained a concious and reasoning mind, and takeing into account what you suggest on the Misc board thread "what the world is comming to" about the world being in a state of anarchy...well now...

Does that make you proud to be human and or lend any credibility to there being a reason/order to life. No, because the FACT is if things are that way around armageddon is neigh and mans law means NOTHING proven by the pure ease with which it can be evaded...ie. out of sight out of mind...!!!

Due process in life dictates to us all that if we want to learn and or know x-y-z we have to aquire knowledge of that thing, and that is true for God too. It is not until we actively begin to seek God that we will understand and learn God and Gods way...it has to be a concious decision of our own...it cannot be forced which is why I to some degree also have a quarrel with the Jehova crew and any other faith that feels the need to advertise...—

Once again I re-itterate those words of Freebird...

..."we must become the change we want to see happen"...

LOL@ non prophet organisation!

Durrie do you know cwab? the two of you should get together with a few outhers. then you could pitch your big tents and bring them in . I can see it now, friends and fanatics I come here today not to bring you to juses but to bring juses to you. AMEN! say it agian AMEN!

James...if you ever listen to what I share you would realise I find Jesus a foolish man.

Any man who believes he has the ability to save others through is own rather dramatised death is as fool.

I am not christian James...and the level at which you understand God and religion is pathetically sterotyped into automatically asuming through your ignorance...

O.K. what are you durrie? We have been told what you believe but what are you? I am speaking of religious faith. I accept that you believe on faith in the natural goodness of man. I accept that you trustfully and on faith a firm conviction as to the reality or goodness of something. I am guessing that you are upset and distraught over the needless deaths of Odia and Qusai. We should have let them go in pease rather than cause a needless death. Even though they are murders and rapest they are childern of someone's God. For be it for tate to judge. I know there father is distraught, being the God fearing religious man that he is. He is calling for a holly war for he sees him self as having jusdivinum. So tell me what you are or believe and then tell me how we should have delt with Odia and Qusai.

P.S.
I have a friend she is very religious she tells me all the time.
The devil walks with a holly name
The devil talks with a holly name
you can't find redemption
with out temptation
and tate you have given in to a lot of temptation.

Oh wow Durrie. Even though I am not a christian, I would never call Jesus a foolish man. Personally, I think he was one of the most greatest prophets that ever lived!

I'm confused- Durrie appears to be contradicting herself. Or I'm lost in a fantasy where I'm in school again, and just-not-paying-enough-attention. I'll see y'all in detention hall!

durrie, you missed the entire point, i said IF you goddamn fool. and YOU Cannot prove that man made god or god made man either. But i'm not going to bash at you for your beliefs because i cant prove it also, so puhlease, refrain from moving your head up your ass any further, ta ta.

and oh, and just for further referance, if you dont perchance GET my post, i said IF god is false, which is indicating that obviously that man made god, that i, in my opinion, think god was NECESSARY to be made. And that is in no relation, PUTTING HIM DOWN. and my treetrunking GOD today is one crappy day, anyway, whatever bye

James...distraught over their death no I am not. Odia and Qusai got what was always comming their way because as we know choices have consequence and the choices those brothers made in life lead to the consequence of being brutally blown to pieces by an army who now through the universal and very same law also have consequences comming their way with blood on their hands.

God may judge us...NOT another man for we are all sinners...WHEN will that sink in through our thick skulls...?

I will tell you what did make me distraught thought James. I had a loverly piece of steak for supper last...egg, chips, tomato and beans...a real english specialty and it was awesome...but...

I vomited it up all over my T.V screen and made a huge mess in my lounge when I saw the self richeous look of contented pride on the face of G.Bush when he deliveder his speach about how Qusai and Odia got what they had comming at the hands of his might forces because they were...Murderers...tyrants and rapists of his very own people which he as the might leader of the US cannot stand for...Hah!!!

That man has the mentality of a wood bora...

Atleast he is consistant in one respect...he is right...he doesn't rape and murder his own...he pays for them to stay afloat subsidising his farmers and industry so that they can go abroad and rape and murder the landscapes and people on foreign shores who will work for a pitence as it is the best they can get through the inequality in life the western culture endorses, promotes and is responisible for.

As I said...I find Jesus to be foolish in believing he may save others through himself dying and so if I find Jesus foolish you can imagine hat I think of Mr Bush...I battle to find words to describe him...although...

He seems to induce vomiting so maybe I'll call him...Vomit man...no that's to nice...I think vomit will do just fine.

Now we know, I ask a simple question. What do you believe what is your faith? What do we get Bush and vomiting, And why would a man who does no harm eat the poor cow? Must not be hindu. I think you belong to the church of the IN.From the dogma and doctrine you vomit forth. I here incomprehenssible, incoherent, incogitant, incognizant and incomplete. Go forth my son and wonder about leave us heathens, christians, and jews to our own little world.

James to answer your other question...well actually I cannot tell you what religion I am other than to say I follow the religion of life...life as I see and am a part of...mother nature and her laws that bind us all to her ways of truth regardless of creed, race and colour not just to each other as humans but to the elephants, ants and plants of this world of which we are all a part and as such all equally important?and with all the processes and laws that govern our world and have done since before man even arrived is it really that hard to believe there is a God in control?it can?t just be chance?come on?

As I said...you have to actively seek x-y-z before you will know it and for God that rule of life is the same...you have to want to see God before you will and because I do I see God all around me all the time in the wind that blows and gently bends the trees?in the spider who spins an exactly symmetrical web without hesitation or worry each time its old one is destroyed and yes James even in the man who in his minds state of ignorance murders other men whether for vengeance or gain because he does not know and realize he does himself the same injustice through the consequence of karma regardless of consequence.

Karma?the True court of law?forget mans law and courts for they have wrongfully sentenced in the past and will continue to do so in the future but karma will never and has never done that because it is true law?Gods law?

Myself and you James, everyone in the world, we are a part of a bigger planet earth which is a part of solar system in turn part of a bigger universe which we have not discovered technology to see with our eye's beyond but we still know there is no reason why it should or indeed does end...it is infinite...and that is the very essence of God...of the creation?you cannot understand it you merely have to have faith and believe it because in concept you know it is the better option?

God is not a man...the books of religion have to tech us that way because that is all our puny little minds can relate to and the only way we will learn because of our self obsession as humans and belief that we are the top of the food chain. God is anything...anytime...when and where you want it to be...omnipotent...material and anti-material...as the bible says?the way the truth and the light?

You will notice I quote the bible a lot James?and yes I have read it. Yes I believe it to be very noble and wise in its teachings as I do other religious scriptures but when you look at the diversity to life and the sheer depth of life with its processes and universal laws do you honestly believe it is as simple to achieve eternal life in a heaven one with God in just one lifetime??
Hmmm?yes lovely stories the bible contains and very true and noble messages I agree but how exactly did Noah fit all the creatures and plants of the world into one little boat and then only with the help of his sons evade inbreeding to one again populate the world to the billions it holds today—?

The fact that Christians and Jews seek God in the bible means that is how they know God?and with a role model like Jesus and his cross to bare is it any wonder how and why Jihad has arisen to create this new breed of fanatics who are willing to be suicide bombers in accordance with their religion—?

To learn of the true and universal God as a human will take many lives of testing and probing as an individual with different needs taste and ideas which is why you friend speaks of temptation. Your friend is wise and they know God but they no God on silly terms. They equate God with the devil?Ha.

Who or what is the devil?when in the history of man and literature whether religious or not has the dark side ever beaten God and or life?yes that?s right James only in the FICTION section of the library. God id very, very real James but the devil is a figment of peoples imagination broug

Can an atheist get insurance against acts of god?

It'll be expensive, that's for sure. I think Christians have the right idea: just suck up A LOT. =)

By the way, this is coming from a Baptist who's never been baptized, for the curious. I think I should start a new religion based on what I know practiced called "Strictly Christmas and Easter" where I worship the smoked ham and all the bad religious jokes. I think there are a few in here who could go with that.

It's either this, or changing my religious views to conform and accept. That means reading the Bible...

Or you can make them up as you go like some we know

Durrie I have just finnished reading your ramblings again. Why I do not know but I come to this conclusion. If juses knew you he would love you, I however think you are a imbecile, But I also beleive every idiot will find his village. Go in peace.

lol james... did I tell you I love you?

Discussions like these are why I will not participate in religious debates on these boards. Way too much immaturity, among many other other things, going around. A serious lack of respect...(and that is *NOT* directed toward James Tate).

immaturity... I'd say over-sensitivity...

what's the fun in maturity? I'd rather borderline immaturity to retain my sanity, intellect, and potential; until that time comes in which it all may come together and I will become "mature". 'til then, I plan to enjoy life... because honestly, life in its essence is deeply immature.

and OHHHHHHHHHH durrie, i get what youre trying to say, sometimes i thought of it that way also, but oh wells, you can look at it however you want but i choose to look at things in all directions. And i apologize if my post might have slightly hurt you, i was having a bad day and i took your post as if you were trying to attack me just because i was pondering about the what if's, i just didn't want any pointless butter from other people that day. Have a nice day, ta ta.

treetrunking groupies.

Well, I just have to add...

Durrie to your long piece towards James and atheism on teh page before, you, like many many many and many more others, seem to automatically think that (rationally thinking it through) atheists have to look at the world in a negative manner, that the world is full of anarchy and destruction, and it is all MAN's fault and therefore we have no hope, etc etc. You never seem to leave room for people like me who are atheists and also optimistic about the future, love mankind simply because it is a result of nature, and believe that there is great possibilites-good as well as bad--for the future. I don't haev to believe that in any way the bad are punished or the good are rewarded in this life or another in order to live with an optimistic view. Of course, that is not to say that james thinks the same way as I do, but you were addressing ALL atheists in your speech.

and Durrie if you will allow yourself to lie in the face of self interest, then tell the Jehovah's witnesses you are Jewish and they will never bother you again because it is against their faith to try to convert a jew.

I wasn't talking about you, either Luz...

Durrie I find that we atheist or the ones willing to face life without the chruch. We have nothing to fall back on but our selfs. We know we have to make the world a better place, because this is all we have.

gwen, i agree completely with your post. you guys all have good points. But i think we also need people like durrie also.

and i apolgoize if i misunderstood your post phoenix, because i know that line 'so puhlease, refrain from moving your head up your ass any further, ta ta.' was a bit immature i admit 😛

'sokay Luz...just wanted to make sure you knew that I wasn't speaking about you. 😛

Gwen...who else is it then...who else but man is responisible for the current state of affairs in the world...—

God does not wright the headlines for the 12 o'clock news or the pappers...man does and because it is man who makes them.

Say what you like about being able to be a kind and law abiding citizen as well as an athiest that much I accept but what I do not is the fact that you accept mans law to be the best law for you...

The same one that protects the guilty...sentences the innocent and sits high and mighty out of reach to anyone...

Is this a Dennis miller rant, Yes we have him here

lol

mans law is all we have, OH IM sorry we have the fruitcake laws, also like its O.K. to beat a woman for leaving the house without permission, Or stoning her for getting it on out of wedlock, or striping her nude in the public squar and whipping her for whatever. I almost forgot about the good laws in some of the holly books. Must be nice to have half a dozen whifes to kick the butter out everynight when things go bad at the office. give me a BREAK!

I miss durrie

If God is omnipotent then why does he rest on the seventh day? Did he experience fatigue?

If memory is the result of time and time is the result of cause and effect OR effect and cause then how is God above cause and effect when he reacts to it?

Then again, God hardended the Pharaohs heart in order for his people to see his good intentions. He already foresaw it all but he does regret at one point in the bible... but we do possess that butterty free will.

AMAN

I thought the Egyptians were the first to have one god the sun god. then the greeks applo? tell me i am wrong.

By GOD thats quite a story, Have you ever heard of a dylexiatic who belived in DOG?

Hi parallax, you have some good points here. It's all perception, really.

But 'cause he is'? I can't seem to fathom what you mean by that. You mean he IS cause and effect, correct? Then how is that equivalent to your prior 3rd point in your post?

iliketopushyourbuttons

Keep it up we may draw durrie back.

O.k so I might be nine days late but even I am a little spooked at how all of a sudden after WELL over a year I decieded to log onto DXP and came straight to this thread...

How are you guys and girls...—

James I'm flattered...and well to be honest it's great to be back and reading the posts again...It's wierd man. I remember leaving this site with a point of view built as always by the colectivness of my conciousness at that time...but...
My how things have changed (in me that is). I see now how the people on this site speak and have always spoken with such PASSION and ZEST...it's great...and yes James...I now even find myself laughing from the bottom of my belly at a ALL of your whitty comments...haha...the dislexic dog one was a cracker...!!!

I AM that I AM...you said it Parallax...you said it matey.

Now teach me a little more about that holding hands trick...I've ALWAYS wanted to meet Bob Marley...do you reckon you could bring him back...haha...or even Star...who remembers Star from these boards...she truely was a star...

Take it easy all...
Much love and light...
Durrie.

'...Just going to church doesn't make you a christian, any more than standing in a pub makes you a drunk. You must work at it....'


that i totally agree on...u have to live the principles taught.. memorizin' the whole scriptures without putting them into practice is useless.....

yes no one is perfect but we need to do our best... we are not asked to run faster than our strength...