#PATRIOT

Hands down, my respect for Snowden has grown to the max.

Screw anyone who thinks otherwise...

There will be more to come..even if he is taken out. He's had enough time to make sure that happens.

He's a traitor. I'm sure he'll be taken out at some point. Can't hide behind the iron curtain forever.

Traitor against the Government under the guise of protecting the American people and he runs to Russia which is suspect.

It wasn't necessary to run if he was protecting us the American people. Only person he's protecting is himself.

I was with him up until he ran to President Putin. IMO He actually is being supported by Russia, if he wasn't being supported he would have got the boot out of that country.

I was rooting for him--saw him as a hero initially but he lost me when he went to Russia, my gut says he's a spy, traitor written all over him.

Posted by tiki33
Traitor against the Government under the guise of protecting the American people and he runs to Russia which is suspect.

It wasn't necessary to run if he was protecting us the American people. Only person he's protecting is himself.

I was with him up until he ran to President Putin. IMO He actually is being supported by Russia, if he wasn't being supported he would have got the boot out of that country.

I was rooting for him--saw him as a hero initially but he lost me when he went to Russia, my gut says he's a spy, traitor written all over him.

He may want to protect America (from ignorance at least), but America(n authorities) sure as fuck won't protect him. Unless there's evidence that he's actively plotting against the US with Russia or something, I just don't see how he's a traitor.

I hope they have enough room for the outnumbered 2-1 who tweeted #PATRIOT in federal prisons. If the government's definition for Patriot is treason, I'll own it, proudly.



Live reaction to the NBC News exclusive interview, 'Inside the Mind of Edward Snowden, measuring the hashtags #Traitor and #Patriot.

forgot link

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/people-have-tweeted-snowden-traitor-or-patriot-n117096

Posted by SteveW
Then again he could have made it very easy on himself and could have gone to South America, then changed his identity, and blended it with their culture without ever turning up on earth again. But hmm, so yeah he is no coward.

That's where Greenwald (attorney, journalist who picked up Snowden's story, and wrote No Place to Hide) is..Brazil...and he didn't change his identity either. He appeared briefly last night at the interview. I hope the next book comes out quickly..

A prediction...

How much you wanna bet one of the next corrupt assholes running for president sides with the 60% of Americans for Snowden to gain votes ? (or any politician running for top seat in the senate/congress). Stay tuned.

Posted by tiki33
Traitor against the Government under the guise of protecting the American people and he runs to Russia which is suspect.

It wasn't necessary to run if he was protecting us the American people. Only person he's protecting is himself.

I was with him up until he ran to President Putin. IMO He actually is being supported by Russia, if he wasn't being supported he would have got the boot out of that country.

I was rooting for him--saw him as a hero initially but he lost me when he went to Russia, my gut says he's a spy, traitor written all over him.

Really? I guess you missed the part where NBC CONFIRMED one of the e-mails from Snowden to the NSA CONSULATE where Snowden used the proper INSIDE channels through the agency and higher ups to whistle blow these documents. THEY DID NOTHING..so in reality it was they who committed treason. He had to protect his ass when he saw they were not doing anything about it. Wake up.

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Posted by LetltB
A prediction...

How much you wanna bet one of the next corrupt assholes running for president sides with the 60% of Americans for Snowden to gain votes ? (or any politician running for top seat in the senate/congress). Stay tuned.

And then expands surveillance...

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yea...and then they'll just shut down internet and all social media. The surveillance I'm sure was/is just an experiment leading to that.

Posted by tiki33
Traitor against the Government under the guise of protecting the American people and he runs to Russia which is suspect.

It wasn't necessary to run if he was protecting us the American people. Only person he's protecting is himself.

I was with him up until he ran to President Putin. IMO He actually is being supported by Russia, if he wasn't being supported he would have got the boot out of that country.

I was rooting for him--saw him as a hero initially but he lost me when he went to Russia, my gut says he's a spy, traitor written all over him.

Russia was a mistake, imo.

But look at the language coming from 'home':


"Secretary of State John Kerry on Wednesday called National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden a fugitive and

challenged him to "man up and come back to the United States."

Kerry's comments came before NBC aired that portion of the Snowden interview. On the matter of Snowden returning, Kerry told NBC's "Today" show:

"If Mr. Snowden wants to come back to the United States, we'll have him on a flight today."

Kerry also said, "A patriot would not run away."

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As far as the necessity for the leaks, "let him come back and make his case," Kerry said.

"If he cares so much about America and he believes in America, he should trust the American system of justice."


Snowden said he never intended to be holed up in Russia but was forced to go there because Washington decided to "revoke my passport."

In response, Kerry said: "Well, for a supposedly smart guy, that's a pretty dumb answer, after all."

"I think he's confused," Kerry said. "I think it's very sad. But this is a man who has done great damage to his country."



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He's in over his head, and dealing with people who profit from deception.

Fkin Kerry? lol the anti-Patriot and a traitor, himself.


Interesting-- but I don't think I believe either one of them.

Snowden or Kerry.

first instincts usually right.

anyway, wasn't Benedict Arnold once a General and defected to the British Army.
You may respect the man for what he did, but would you trust his ass?

Kerry's career is OVER and needs to retire in W's jackass camp.

Posted by lisabethur8
You may respect the man for what he did, but would you trust his ass?

Again...he went through the PROPER CHANNELS of his employers/higher ups INCLUDING the consulate of the NSA (e-mail confirmed by NBC) FIRST with these documents within his department and higher. He kept it secret and within his department by doing so. THEY DID NOTHING..what was he suppose to do? Wait for a bullet between the eyes? I respect him for what he tried to do the RIGHT WAY..and I trust him after what he HAD to do after. He had no choice.

Simply put...

Edward Snowden: —Being a patriot means knowing when to protect your country, knowing when to protect your Constitution, knowing when to protect your countrymen from the — the violations of and encroachments of adversaries,??

No flags or ribbons to wave or wear needed. Either you are a Patriot or you aren't. Pick one.

Posted by Gobshite
A so-called American patriot/whistle-blower flees to Russian for political asylum...

The cold war may have 'officially' ended in the early '90s but surely that's a slap in the face to his own countrymen - the very people who he unconvincingly claimed he was trying to protect in the first place.

He wasn't aiming for Russia. He got stranded there because his passport was revoked. He has stated that he WANTS to go home, but I don't blame him for not trusting the gov to protect his rights as a whistleblower.

Kerry is a perfect example. He makes no mention of assurance that if shown to be a whistleblower, he will have those rights protected. Instead, he basically says "Man up, you pussy, and take what u get".

Would YOU have confidence in the government then? Especially if you were the guy who found and aired all the dirty secrets of that very government?

It's not like him languishing in prison would do the country any good. It would just consume tax dollars.

Posted by TwirlingStrawberry
I don't think his original intentions were because he wanted to be patriotic though. *shrugs*

I think he got pissed or felt slighted and set out for vengence.....and stumbled "into" this entire situation.

I also don't think he was a spy....had aliases or was assigned to overseas locations. Yes, I know he claims that but it will never be proven and I think he is saying this to make himself sound more credible (which, to me, makes him sound less so)

I believe whatever he was working with or exposed to, he discovered in his cubicle, at his desk.

Now....regardless of original intent or not....what he did with what he obtained was the "right thing to do". I will give him that.

But.....that is as far as I will go. I wouldn't throw him a parade.....but I wouldn't toss him in prison either.

yea, the spy claims kinda made me raise an eyebrow. Just because someone exposes the dishonesty of others doesn't mean they're automatically going to be honest about everything themselves. Whether or not Snowden was a career spy or not, the fact that the authorities are foaming at the mouth about enemies having intelligence on the US says it all right there.

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Posted by munchkin
Would YOU have confidence in the government then? Especially if you were the guy who found and aired all the dirty secrets of that very government?

During my adult life, I've never had confidence in any government...

I just find it amusing that he's seeking asylum there. Regardless of whether or not it was through choice, I'm sure it's clouding the situation even more for others. As for me, I couldn't give a flying fuck.

I mean, what is the Russian government getting out of this? I can't see them granting him asylum simply out of principle.

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i bet there's ALL kinds of secrets he can tell the Russians. lol And i'm betting the Russians are obliged to give him asylum because of it. Sneaky fuckers.

I'm waiting for the next installment.
To be revealed: a list of specific people on whom the NSA has been keeping a dossier of sorts.

Hopefully it will be a list of big money donors to both parties, because DC seems to be content with the programs in place.

And if I were Snowden, there's no way I'd come back. As soon as he set foot back on US soil he would be "made an example of" to intimidate others who try and expose what is going wrong.

Posted by CancerOnTheCusp
I'm waiting for the next installment.
To be revealed: a list of specific people on whom the NSA has been keeping a dossier of sorts.

Hopefully it will be a list of big money donors to both parties, because DC seems to be content with the programs in place.

And if I were Snowden, there's no way I'd come back. As soon as he set foot back on US soil he would be "made an example of" to intimidate others who try and expose what is going wrong.

+million

Posted by CancerOnTheCusp
I'm waiting for the next installment.
To be revealed: a list of specific people on whom the NSA has been keeping a dossier of sorts.

Hopefully it will be a list of big money donors to both parties, because DC seems to be content with the programs in place.

And if I were Snowden, there's no way I'd come back. As soon as he set foot back on US soil he would be "made an example of" to intimidate others who try and expose what is going wrong.

I think there are documents still yet to be revealed, and if Snowden is smart has made arrangements that if anything happens to him, they get exposed. Could be why he's still alive. I'm positive we haven't seen anything yet....

Hell..he said the security was so poor in protecting those documents that anyone with a key to the premises, including the janitors could get their hands on them, AND...the NSA doesn't know what or how many are missing due to a lack of inventory control. (you know..checks and balances..)

I found that quite alarming.

Posted by munchkin
Kerry is a perfect example. He makes no mention of assurance that if shown to be a whistleblower, he will have those rights protected. Instead, he basically says "Man up, you pussy, and take what u get".

Would YOU have confidence in the government then? Especially if you were the guy who found and aired all the dirty secrets of that very government?

It's not like him languishing in prison would do the country any good. It would just consume tax dollars.

Yep

Right wrong or indifferent, I think he would be stupid to come back.

They basically said he was crazy, and barring a miracle, I doubt he'd see the light of day again.

@Montgomery "He's in over his head, and dealing with people who profit from deception.

Fkin Kerry? lol the anti-Patriot and a traitor, himself.


Interesting-- but I don't think I believe either one of them.

Snowden or Kerr"

I totally agree, I don't trust Snowden.

My first instinct was to not trust him although I have to admit I later fell for the he's a hero bullshit but then he was being offered help from several countries but chose Russia and that tipped the scales to mistrust for me.

+1 Lisa...No trust, none.

Too many anti-Americans in America, it's disgusting, oh America is doing it too blah blah blah, it's a necessary evil to protect our asses in America but it seems we have a lot of petty angry Americans that want our government to fail, I guess some people would love living in a society were they are impoverished, dying in the streets, getting clocked in the head or even killed for voicing an opinion and no one cares, last I checked I can go where I want, do what I want to do and say what I want to say within reason and that can't be said for many countries in the world. We are not perfect by any means but we are doing better than most.

AGAIN....who the hell cares where he ended up? He's alive and I have a right to know how my government is screwing Americans over.

Funny how some of you are ignoring the FACT that he went through HIS OWN department INSIDE PROPER CHANNELS and higher ups INCLUDING the COUNSEL OF NSA to bring this to their attention and did what he was suppose to do. They did nothing, and you call this guy mistrustful....fucking hypocritical sheep! lol

I wish people who don't think would leave my country. That would make me really happy.

Posted by LetltB
AGAIN....who the hell cares where he ended up? He's alive and I have a right to know how my government is screwing Americans over.

Funny how some of you are ignoring the FACT that he went through HIS OWN department INSIDE PROPER CHANNELS and higher ups INCLUDING the COUNSEL OF NSA to bring this to their attention and did what he was suppose to do. They did nothing, and you call this guy mistrustful....fucking hypocritical sheep! lol

^ This. They basically told him that he'd better stop questioning things.

If that's not un-American, I don't know what is.

Posted by tiki33
@Montgomery "He's in over his head, and dealing with people who profit from deception.

Fkin Kerry? lol the anti-Patriot and a traitor, himself.


Interesting-- but I don't think I believe either one of them.

Snowden or Kerr"

I totally agree, I don't trust Snowden.

My first instinct was to not trust him although I have to admit I later fell for the he's a hero bullshit but then he was being offered help from several countries but chose Russia and that tipped the scales to mistrust for me.

+1 Lisa...No trust, none.

Too many anti-Americans in America, it's disgusting, oh America is doing it too blah blah blah, it's a necessary evil to protect our asses in America but it seems we have a lot of petty angry Americans that want our government to fail, I guess some people would love living in a society were they are impoverished, dying in the streets, getting clocked in the head or even killed for voicing an opinion and no one cares, last I checked I can go where I want, do what I want to do and say what I want to say within reason and that can't be said for many countries in the world. We are not perfect by any means but we are doing better than most.

"Those who would sacrifice freedom for (the illusion of) security deserve neither" -Benjamin Franklin

Not that security seems to be of much concern, since the gov/media seems more preoccupied with this "unpatriotic traitor" than the simple fact that their information was even able to be so easily accessed.

If they really cared about security, the focus would be making sensitive information harder to access, rather than "how DARE that guy step out of line! Come back and face the music, you pansy!"

Posted by munchkin

"Those who would sacrifice freedom for (the illusion of) security deserve neither" -Benjamin Franklin

One of my favorite quotes!

Consider this though...there is a population of Americans who have had a free ride $ $ , or hooked on pharmaceuticals or just simply brainwashed to think they are safe who will never grasp that quote or refuse to for ~convenience~ purposes.

Posted by tiki33
@Montgomery "He's in over his head, and dealing with people who profit from deception.

Fkin Kerry? lol the anti-Patriot and a traitor, himself.


Interesting-- but I don't think I believe either one of them.

Snowden or Kerr"

I totally agree, I don't trust Snowden.

My first instinct was to not trust him although I have to admit I later fell for the he's a hero bullshit but then he was being offered help from several countries but chose Russia and that tipped the scales to mistrust for me.

+1 Lisa...No trust, none.

Too many anti-Americans in America, it's disgusting, oh America is doing it too blah blah blah, it's a necessary evil to protect our asses in America but it seems we have a lot of petty angry Americans that want our government to fail, I guess some people would love living in a society were they are impoverished, dying in the streets, getting clocked in the head or even killed for voicing an opinion and no one cares, last I checked I can go where I want, do what I want to do and say what I want to say within reason and that can't be said for many countries in the world. We are not perfect by any means but we are doing better than most.

Who else has offered him asylum?

I found only this--

Independent Scotland Could Offer Edward Snowden Political Asylum LINK

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Posted by munchkin

"Those who would sacrifice freedom for (the illusion of) security deserve neither" -Benjamin Franklin

One of my favorite quotes!

Consider this though...there is a population of Americans who have had a free ride $ $ , or hooked on pharmaceuticals or just simply brainwashed to think they are safe who will never grasp that quote or refuse to for ~convenience~ purposes.

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Some don't want to rock the boat.

A lot of people don't vote because they don't think it counts, and after ACORN (unfortunately)-- that theory has some merit.

And if what we have heard about Snowden is correct (BIG IF), then he's a dead man walking and I feel sorry for him.

He WILL be exploited from here on, if he isn't taken out.

Anyone remember Breitbart?

It wasn't that long ago.

Posted by Montgomery

Some don't want to rock the boat.

hmmmm, and I thought ^^that was just in DXP. 😛

I'm talking about the real world and the need for people to wake the hell up and take their country back.

FWIW...

THE VOTES DO NOT COUNT. we are owned like slaves...ALL OF US.

I keep bringing up the book THE STAND...(can't help it)

IT'S EITHER YOU SUPPORT A LIE OR YOU SUPPORT THE TRUTH.

Pick a side, and own it.

I believe I'm safe despite all the hogwash about data mining. If I didn't feel safe in America I would have left America.

I'm not proclaiming there aren't dark forces in our Government/society, I know what's going on in America but I am still safer than the poor woman that recently got stoned to death by her own father for not marrying the man her family wanted her to marry despite her being 8 months pregnant by another man.

Comparison to other antiquated societies we are very safe. I think too many Americans take what we have for granted. Go live in North Korea under the Kim regime and you'll be begging to come back to America. We are not perfect, we make mistakes, we don't always get it right, sometimes we have to dance with the devil, sometimes we have to be the devil but I would never think about going against my country, never. Look at Egypt, Libya, Ukraine, Africa, all of the unrest around us, despite our issues we have it good here in America. I never take that for granted.

I don't agree with Snowden, I don't agree with what he did and how he did it.

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Posted by Montgomery

Some don't want to rock the boat.

hmmmm, and I thought ^^that was just in DXP. 😛

I'm talking about the real world and the need for people to wake the hell up and take their country back.

And I'm not?

I don't disagree, but you're quoting me out of context as if I do.

Wtf?

Posted by LetltB
I keep bringing up the book THE STAND...(can't help it)

IT'S EITHER YOU SUPPORT A LIE OR YOU SUPPORT THE TRUTH.

Pick a side, and own it.

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This I agree with.

Posted by Montgomery


And I'm not?

I don't disagree, but you're quoting me out of context as if I do.

Wtf?

damn...I can't even hit the quote right...or type

Anyway...Not at all..I'm talking about people who do not realize there's a boat that needs to be rocked hard. I can see how you saw that though. My expressions seem to be foggy yet blunt this evening. I just slapped the shit out of myself.

(...and elle, you need to do that at least three times a day.)

Here's the way I see it.

We're all frogs in a pot of water, being heated up, a tiny decimal of a degree at a time by our owners, who purport that we're very lucky frogs, to live in such a nice hot tub. They see other cooks in the kitchen doing gruesome things to THEIR frogs - smashing them with hammers, putting them in a blender, etc. They feel so lucky - they even get to make decisions! When they're asked to vote if they want flaxseed oil or linseed oil in their pot, they swell with pride at their sense of freedom (that, and the ever-increasing temperature).

One of them realizes that it's suspicious that they're being confined to this pot, and climbs up the ledge on the handle of it...and lo and behold, he sees the window, revealing the meadow outside upon which frogs ought to be able to access. A meadow with flaxseed/linseed, daisies, berries and everything they never imagined! A meadow that their cook's grandfather intended ALL their frogs to have access to, long ago he put that requirement in a contract for all his successors to abide by.

Just as he tells the other frogs and shows them the window, the cook comes back and sees that the frog is standing on the ledge pointing outside. The cook gets very ANGRY that this defiant frog showed the others the window. As he stomps off to find tongs so he can grab this traitor and chuck him right into the microwave!

The frog escapes, ending up stranded with the Freezer Frogs of some other cook.

Meanwhile, the pot frogs chatter about what an ingrate troublemaker that wackjob frog was, and then recline deeper into the water, which is heating up more and more.

Suddenly, the boiling point is reached, and suddenly the frogs panic, but lo and behold, the heat has already incapacitated them by now.

Do we want to wait for that to happen, or will we insist on the freedoms we're supposed to be entitled to?

Do I hear a f**king "RIBBIT"? lol...good one munchkin! good one 😄

Posted by LetltB
Do I hear a f**king "RIBBIT"? lol...good one munchkin! good one 😄

"Ribbit for freedom or you'll croak!"

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Posted by munchkin

Posted by LetltB
Do I hear a f**king "RIBBIT"? lol...good one munchkin! good one 😄

"Ribbit for freedom or you'll croak!"

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I likey!

Posted by SteveW

"He appeals to the baseness... "


This is accurate-- and still tolerated some 2000 years later.

Because it works.

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Love the BUS! 😄

I call him a traitor although under the definition he doesn't fully fit that description.

I call him a traitor because he specifically got a job with the NSA to expose secrets and chose to expose them over the internet. He's exposing sensitive information about our country for other countries that are at odds with us to see.

This clown is exposing our weaknesses to other countries and mind you those countries for instance China , Iran, North Korea, Russia, Cuba and Venezuela all have their own secret programs, totalirian regimes, and corruption.

He exposed information about countries that desire peace and freedom. It wasn't like he exposed Putin, or Kim Jung.

He devised his own rules about how he was going to expose sensitive information that he swore to protect. Every country keeps secrets, they all have legitimate reasons to guard the safety of those secrets because in the wrong hands that information can create chaos and unleash evil.

A lot of what he exposed really was of no relevance to the general public, it was information between countries that promote FREEDOM--nations ranked at the top of the Freedom House —Index of Freedom in the World". He jeopardized deals that had agreements with one another that dealt with human trafficking, regulating arms deals, refugees.

We have whistle blower laws in this country to protect people like Snowden thus for him to leak information is irresponsible at the least. I can never trust a word that comes out of the mouth of a person who swore to protect sensitive information, to safe guard the nations secrets. I'm not sure what his motivation is but it seems like his actions are self motivated.

He took those secrets with him and I don't believe for one second that the information has not been passed along to Russia and who knows what other countries have this information. He compromised our country, he compromised the American people and to that does not make a hero, he may not be a traitor under the defined term but to me he's a traitor and a coward.

Gee.. I wonder what the Janitor is going to "expose"...? Everyone in his building probably has a copy too, since it wasn't deemed necessary by the very people who are suppose to protect us to lock that shit up and protect us.

Anyone see the piss poor retort (e-mail) from NSA on this? What an embarrassment.

I'm hoping he has details on 9/11 too.

all those photos of other countries going for snowden are just a small part of the population. lol

it's kind of weird but i do notice that european countries put down the U.S. alot, in terms of their government, yet when it comes to their own countries, they are patriotic as hell for the most part.