livictori
@livictori
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Scared shitless and optimistic
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Posted by notsosureI was 14 and he was 17.
What made you - from just reading this post - suddenly change your mind about having kids? And was this something you and him talked about?
We didn't have children until 24 & 27. It was not overnight. We literally avoided it for 9 years by taking precautions. When I actually got pregnant, I didn't want to terminate. Now the second one, I can claim 100% responsibility for
Posted by themagnetorebornI don't what this means
Where's the TL;DR version of this post?
Posted by livictoriit means ....too long didn't read ...he wants a shorten version ...Posted by themagnetorebornI don't what this means
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whats your sign op? sun and moon if you don't mind ...you seem kind of like a gemini sun with a pisces moon ? just a guess
Posted by livictoriThe "too long didn't read" / short version of your post.Posted by themagnetorebornI don't what this means
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Posted by Cancan26Me😛isces Sun, leo moon, Libra risingPosted by livictoriit means ....too long didn't read ...he wants a shorten version ...Posted by themagnetorebornI don't what this means
Where's the TL;DR version of this post?
whats your sign op? sun and moon if you don't mind ...you seem kind of like a gemini sun with a pisces moon ? just a guessclick to expand
Him: Scorpio Sun, Sag moon rising unknown
If he is initiating interest in getting back together, how should I approach this if 10 years has past but the friendship isn't broken
Posted by livictorioh wow! ....pisces/scorpio connection and your moons are even compatible leo moon/sag moon ....you guys were lowkey made for each other 😄 ....I believe that this would be a natural connection ....don't be scared just be your selfPosted by Cancan26Me😛isces Sun, leo moon, Libra risingPosted by livictoriit means ....too long didn't read ...he wants a shorten version ...Posted by themagnetorebornI don't what this means
Where's the TL;DR version of this post?
whats your sign op? sun and moon if you don't mind ...you seem kind of like a gemini sun with a pisces moon ? just a guess
Him: Scorpio Sun, Sag moon rising unknown
If he is initiating interest in getting back together, how should I approach this if 10 years has past but the friendship isn't broken
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Posted by Cancan26He commented this week about us growing old together and taking care of each other. With him everything is different that anyone else.Posted by livictorioh wow! ....pisces/scorpio connection and your moons are even compatible leo moon/sag moon ....you guys were lowkey made for each other 😄 ....I believe that this would be a natural connection ....don't be scared just be your selfPosted by Cancan26Me😛isces Sun, leo moon, Libra risingPosted by livictoriit means ....too long didn't read ...he wants a shorten version ...Posted by themagnetorebornI don't what this means
Where's the TL;DR version of this post?
whats your sign op? sun and moon if you don't mind ...you seem kind of like a gemini sun with a pisces moon ? just a guess
Him: Scorpio Sun, Sag moon rising unknown
If he is initiating interest in getting back together, how should I approach this if 10 years has past but the friendship isn't broken
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Ive noticed that couples break up and get back together years later. Sometimes ppl need time apart to grow.
Maybe have an open mind but be clear about what you want.
Maybe have an open mind but be clear about what you want.
Go for it .. I would be nervous in your shoes as well..take it day by day.. You guys are emotionally invested in each other.. It's great that you're friends & taking things slow. Best of luck !
I understand why you are nervous. It's not just your heart at stake, you have two children in the mix as well.
Sometimes it takes time and distance to truly appreciate each other. Take it slow. Start by dating, don't jump in head first and follow your heart. You deserve to be happy and in love.
Sometimes it takes time and distance to truly appreciate each other. Take it slow. Start by dating, don't jump in head first and follow your heart. You deserve to be happy and in love.
Posted by livictoriWhat do you have to lose?Posted by notsosureI was 14 and he was 17.
What made you - from just reading this post - suddenly change your mind about having kids? And was this something you and him talked about?
We didn't have children until 24 & 27. It was not overnight. We literally avoided it for 9 years by taking precautions. When I actually got pregnant, I didn't want to terminate. Now the second one, I can claim 100% responsibility forclick to expand
It's seems like you've matured both of you and you are getting back together!
It's sounds exciting! Good luck
Posted by themagnetorebornYou need to learn how to read or learn how to shut up!!! Ass!
Where's the TL;DR version of this post?
My fantasy crashed and burned.
The cornerstone of our relationship is honesty and he admitted to sleeping with someone for his birthday.
I told him I was disappointed and grateful he told me the truth. At the same time, I don't want to continue pursuing a relationship. We will always be friends. And I am still going to visit so he and his family can spend time together. He didn't think he was unfaithful and my issue is not that but he could sleep with someone without emotional connection. I think that is a factor on how he would deal with out distance.
I agreed with the date because he really wants to talk about it in person. But in my mind and heart; I can't look at him the same. We spent 10 years as friends and there's no need to be romantic without a point
The cornerstone of our relationship is honesty and he admitted to sleeping with someone for his birthday.
I told him I was disappointed and grateful he told me the truth. At the same time, I don't want to continue pursuing a relationship. We will always be friends. And I am still going to visit so he and his family can spend time together. He didn't think he was unfaithful and my issue is not that but he could sleep with someone without emotional connection. I think that is a factor on how he would deal with out distance.
I agreed with the date because he really wants to talk about it in person. But in my mind and heart; I can't look at him the same. We spent 10 years as friends and there's no need to be romantic without a point
Posted by livictori
My fantasy crashed and burned.
The cornerstone of our relationship is honesty and he admitted to sleeping with someone for his birthday.
I told him I was disappointed and grateful he told me the truth. At the same time, I don't want to continue pursuing a relationship. We will always be friends. And I am still going to visit so he and his family can spend time together. He didn't think he was unfaithful and my issue is not that but he could sleep with someone without emotional connection. I think that is a factor on how he would deal with out distance.
I agreed with the date because he really wants to talk about it in person. But in my mind and heart; I can't look at him the same. We spent 10 years as friends and there's no need to be romantic without a point
That's defensive mode right there.
Stop being so selfish. You've been together one way or another with this guy, you've been his friend, you've fucked him, you've even given birth to his two kids, the second one you didn't give a shit whether he wanted another or not, you just went right ahead and did whatever you wanted as you were obviously more important than him. Perhaps you should have waited until you had grown up before trying to play parent. It may have worked out better.
You were entertaining the idea of getting back with him or re-building something with him, a family unit etc except your fears are so huge you can't see past them.
It's ok a snow he's given you ammunition to use against him to suit you. He fucked someone else so for you, that's it. Everything is a write off. He's outta here.
Except... You didn't want him. He was free to do what he wanted. It sounds like this guy has gone along with whatever you wanted all your life to keep you happy. You took his kids 700 miles away and then you wonder why he has zero connection with them. He's paid for them and you had no issue taking his money but as soon as he exerts some freedom you don't like it.
Grow up and get over it. Stop whinging. Talk to him. You had no problem fucking him and giving birth to his kids but an honest and open conversation— You couldn't possibly.
Put yourself to one side and talk to him.
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/how-do-you-know-when-you-love-someone--7313736/?checkpg=1
Jeane posted this earlier. Good article. Might help you OP.
Jeane posted this earlier. Good article. Might help you OP.
Posted by AgentP91110 years is a long time to not be with someone.Posted by livictori
My fantasy crashed and burned.
The cornerstone of our relationship is honesty and he admitted to sleeping with someone for his birthday.
I told him I was disappointed and grateful he told me the truth. At the same time, I don't want to continue pursuing a relationship. We will always be friends. And I am still going to visit so he and his family can spend time together. He didn't think he was unfaithful and my issue is not that but he could sleep with someone without emotional connection. I think that is a factor on how he would deal with out distance.
I agreed with the date because he really wants to talk about it in person. But in my mind and heart; I can't look at him the same. We spent 10 years as friends and there's no need to be romantic without a point
That's defensive mode right there.
Stop being so selfish. You've been together one way or another with this guy, you've been his friend, you've fucked him, you've even given birth to his two kids, the second one you didn't give a shit whether he wanted another or not, you just went right ahead and did whatever you wanted as you were obviously more important than him. Perhaps you should have waited until you had grown up before trying to play parent. It may have worked out better.
You were entertaining the idea of getting back with him or re-building something with him, a family unit etc except your fears are so huge you can't see past them.
It's ok a snow he's given you ammunition to use against him to suit you. He fucked someone else so for you, that's it. Everything is a write off. He's outta here.
Except... You didn't want him. He was free to do what he wanted. It sounds like this guy has gone along with whatever you wanted all your life to keep you happy. You took his kids 700 miles away and then you wonder why he has zero connection with them. He's paid for them and you had no issue taking his money but as soon as he exerts some freedom you don't like it.
Grow up and get over it. Stop whinging. Talk to him. You had no problem fucking him and giving birth to his kids but an honest and open conversation— You couldn't possibly.
Put yourself to one side and talk to him.
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In September when we started talking about getting back together, he admitted not trusting my ability to "resist men" and be faithful. He said he wanted me to prove my seriousness and out of fairness, I stopped dating and going out. He was so vocal about how unsure he was of my seriousness, I thought he was being vulnerable. So for him to sleep with someone else meant he knew the value of seriously considering what could happen, but he was the only person who could have those fears.
Even if I am selfish, I need to keep my head on straight. I am not going to look at that as a bad thing. If I can learn anything from my previous behavior it is protect my children from my stupid choices. I will continue to converse and interact with him. I will continue to raise them to the best of my abilities BUT I don't have to confuse a situation that he isn't certain about.
He wants a campaign to prove my interest while he gets to distract himself with vagina is just stupid on my part
agree with agent
@livictori
"my issue is not that but he could sleep with someone without emotional connection. I think that is a factor on how he would deal with out distance"
did you tell him that? did you tell him that you will kill him if that's how he will deal with your distance once you are back together? at this turning point, what do you have to lose to ask for his promise of 100% dedication and devotion before you drop the love of your life?
@livictori
"my issue is not that but he could sleep with someone without emotional connection. I think that is a factor on how he would deal with out distance"
did you tell him that? did you tell him that you will kill him if that's how he will deal with your distance once you are back together? at this turning point, what do you have to lose to ask for his promise of 100% dedication and devotion before you drop the love of your life?
you both do not trust each other. no relationship can be blissful when there is lack of trust
Posted by livictoriMeh! He wanted cake AND ice cream. Do you find him manipulative at all?Posted by AgentP91110 years is a long time to not be with someone.Posted by livictori
My fantasy crashed and burned.
The cornerstone of our relationship is honesty and he admitted to sleeping with someone for his birthday.
I told him I was disappointed and grateful he told me the truth. At the same time, I don't want to continue pursuing a relationship. We will always be friends. And I am still going to visit so he and his family can spend time together. He didn't think he was unfaithful and my issue is not that but he could sleep with someone without emotional connection. I think that is a factor on how he would deal with out distance.
I agreed with the date because he really wants to talk about it in person. But in my mind and heart; I can't look at him the same. We spent 10 years as friends and there's no need to be romantic without a point
That's defensive mode right there.
Stop being so selfish. You've been together one way or another with this guy, you've been his friend, you've fucked him, you've even given birth to his two kids, the second one you didn't give a shit whether he wanted another or not, you just went right ahead and did whatever you wanted as you were obviously more important than him. Perhaps you should have waited until you had grown up before trying to play parent. It may have worked out better.
You were entertaining the idea of getting back with him or re-building something with him, a family unit etc except your fears are so huge you can't see past them.
It's ok a snow he's given you ammunition to use against him to suit you. He fucked someone else so for you, that's it. Everything is a write off. He's outta here.
Except... You didn't want him. He was free to do what he wanted. It sounds like this guy has gone along with whatever you wanted all your life to keep you happy. You took his kids 700 miles away and then you wonder why he has zero connection with them. He's paid for them and you had no issue taking his money but as soon as he exerts some freedom you don't like it.
Grow up and get over it. Stop whinging. Talk to him. You had no problem fucking him and giving birth to his kids but an honest and open conversation— You couldn't possibly.
Put yourself to one side and talk to him.
In September when we started talking about getting back together, he admitted not trusting my ability to "resist men" and be faithful. He said he wanted me to prove my seriousness and out of fairness, I stopped dating and going out. He was so vocal about how unsure he was of my seriousness, I thought he was being vulnerable. So for him to sleep with someone else meant he knew the value of seriously considering what could happen, but he was the only person who could have those fears.
Even if I am selfish, I need to keep my head on straight. I am not going to look at that as a bad thing. If I can learn anything from my previous behavior it is protect my children from my stupid choices. I will continue to converse and interact with him. I will continue to raise them to the best of my abilities BUT I don't have to confuse a situation that he isn't certain about.
He wants a campaign to prove my interest while he gets to distract himself with vagina is just stupid on my partclick to expand
the question is do you trust yourself? because if you do, what's so hard to tell the love your life that you love him more than anything and you will hurt yourself first before hurting him?
Posted by MIIeFiskMy expectations are screwed because I go between wanting everything and being petrified of losing it. I know how much I have the capacity to give and I fear never having that returned
Leo moons have extremely high expectations for their partner. Pair that with an idealistic sun and this...
"he could sleep with someone without emotional connection"
would be enough shatter their ideals.
It's the same issue with that other Scorpio you were seeing awhile ago, when you were ill and felt that he neglected you. And you flipped on him.
What is it you really want from men?
Posted by AgentP911I don't know who he has become. At first I made the concession because of history. To be honest, I am still going to hold off on dating and going out. My issue is the compass I thought he had, I don't see any more.Posted by livictoriMeh! He wanted cake AND ice cream. Do you find him manipulative at all?Posted by AgentP91110 years is a long time to not be with someone.Posted by livictori
My fantasy crashed and burned.
The cornerstone of our relationship is honesty and he admitted to sleeping with someone for his birthday.
I told him I was disappointed and grateful he told me the truth. At the same time, I don't want to continue pursuing a relationship. We will always be friends. And I am still going to visit so he and his family can spend time together. He didn't think he was unfaithful and my issue is not that but he could sleep with someone without emotional connection. I think that is a factor on how he would deal with out distance.
I agreed with the date because he really wants to talk about it in person. But in my mind and heart; I can't look at him the same. We spent 10 years as friends and there's no need to be romantic without a point
That's defensive mode right there.
Stop being so selfish. You've been together one way or another with this guy, you've been his friend, you've fucked him, you've even given birth to his two kids, the second one you didn't give a shit whether he wanted another or not, you just went right ahead and did whatever you wanted as you were obviously more important than him. Perhaps you should have waited until you had grown up before trying to play parent. It may have worked out better.
You were entertaining the idea of getting back with him or re-building something with him, a family unit etc except your fears are so huge you can't see past them.
It's ok a snow he's given you ammunition to use against him to suit you. He fucked someone else so for you, that's it. Everything is a write off. He's outta here.
Except... You didn't want him. He was free to do what he wanted. It sounds like this guy has gone along with whatever you wanted all your life to keep you happy. You took his kids 700 miles away and then you wonder why he has zero connection with them. He's paid for them and you had no issue taking his money but as soon as he exerts some freedom you don't like it.
Grow up and get over it. Stop whinging. Talk to him. You had no problem fucking him and giving birth to his kids but an honest and open conversation— You couldn't possibly.
Put yourself to one side and talk to him.
In September when we started talking about getting back together, he admitted not trusting my ability to "resist men" and be faithful. He said he wanted me to prove my seriousness and out of fairness, I stopped dating and going out. He was so vocal about how unsure he was of my seriousness, I thought he was being vulnerable. So for him to sleep with someone else meant he knew the value of seriously considering what could happen, but he was the only person who could have those fears.
Even if I am selfish, I need to keep my head on straight. I am not going to look at that as a bad thing. If I can learn anything from my previous behavior it is protect my children from my stupid choices. I will continue to converse and interact with him. I will continue to raise them to the best of my abilities BUT I don't have to confuse a situation that he isn't certain about.
He wants a campaign to prove my interest while he gets to distract himself with vagina is just stupid on my part
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Posted by iCloud9We talked for four hours when he told me. At first I was silent then I was honest.
the question is do you trust yourself? because if you do, what's so hard to tell the love your life that you love him more than anything and you will hurt yourself first before hurting him?
He thinks he had his right, I don't like he exercised it. There's nothing more to hash out. I love him, more than I might ever love another man. He knows that. We still talk every day, we just don't talk about us in that way anymore. He thinks I'm going to change my mind. I don't see me doing that
Posted by livictori
he was vehemently against it but it didn't matter to me.
That pretty much sums it up.
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