Scorp and Libra (Page 2)

and yes, it is often a scorpio reaction to "overtake" because, we tend to get consumed and i think it goes along with what i mentioned earlier, the fact that we want to experience things fully, completely, and we go about this by submerging ourselves in our emotions, and merging ourselves with another. you can argue that this is not healthy, and it isn't, but it is oh so satisfying for us, to be honest. i have learned balance over my time, but i still find it so emotionally rewarding to become submerged every now and then, i can't help myself as it is a natural desire.

hey spica and hypnotic, if i messaged you a (shortened) description of my situation with my libra ex could you help me figure out what is going on with him and what i should do?? i'd appreciate it. i'm very confused.

Posted by spica

Posted by Hypnotic1o1
They won't admit they don't understand us .. I've experienced this before ..

Ya, do you have a solution to make scorpio and libra understand each other, so they can, like form relationships?

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I'm confused...

I find my many relationships with Scorpios to be quite fulfilling. Not always as easy as with an Aquarius, but I have good, long lasting relationships with many - male and female. Non Sexual. 2 of my best friends...

They do find my reactions to disaagreements fillpant on occasion. My female scorp friend had a huge issue with it for awhile. We talked about the reasons, I had to explain how I just don't hold on to anger, to transgression, to whatever it was (I honestly don't remember) that we argued over. It simply didn't matter to me once it was over.

On the other hand, the argument for her had long lasting effect, that she needed to hash out and talk about quite often. I understand that my friend needs this sort of emotional journey to "get over" things. Libra doesn't need that, now my scorp friend understands it, too.

These are good, healthy, UNDERSTANDING relationships that I have. What the hell is wrong with all of you? You can't like somebody because of their SUN sign? or because they don't have enough "water" in their chart? Yikes.

Astrology, as I understand it, is a journey toward a better recognition of the self. It is not just to view the positive aspects of the sign you were born under, or the placements in your birth chart that make you uniquely you.

When I first started to delve deeper into studying astrology, the woman who was introducing me told me to look at the negatives with open eyes and an open mind. That the astrological journey was one toward understanding the weaknesses of your sign, ultimately, the weaknesses of yourself so you can attempt to overcome them.

Sure, communication between air and water is difficult. But air and air communication is no easier, just the same difficulty in a different way.

Libra's are not actually defined as shallow, not anywhere that I've ever seen. It is said that their emotional depth is not obvious, that often people tend to look at the libra after really getting to know them and feel they do not know them at all. Libra's journey is conducted within the self - an egocentric sign. Which is part of its power and part of its weakness.

Libra's should try to break the mould instead of endlessly defending it. As I stated above, I realize my flippant attitude toward my Scorp friends serious emotions wasn't fair. When we disagree, I give her what she needs. She likewise understands that I will only provide so much time and effort toward her hashing her emotions out. She likes to go for round 2, round 3, bringing up round 4 months later as if the argument happened days ago. This is where I draw the line, these are her weaknesses that she needs to form and understand. Since our "discovery" about these things, arguments go over a lot smoother, they end rather quickly, and our friendship deepens.

yes i agree, two mature people who are honest with themselves and with each other and determined to find a way to make things work can find a way to communicate in a way that both can benefit from. they can figure out how the other works and understand how best to overcome any barriers this may put up between them. when two people are willing to try and are open to understanding things outside of themselves, they can maintain a successful relationship.

"I realize my flippant attitude toward my Scorp friends serious emotions wasn't fair."
yes. both people should come to appreciate, respect and understand the way the other functions and not belittle and lessen it, or make it irrelevant. just because air signs mostly work on a mental plane that doesn't mean that they should act as if emotions are just passing and therefore not worth investigating. just as i said, emotions have an origin. usually a rational one if you think about people's experiences and the way their personalities and hang-ups and needs developed. emotions are valid.

and likewise the more emotional, who have to go through a "journey" as a muse stated, should respect that air signs will not travel that journey with them completely, but the effort to go as far as they can is really appreciated, really. as long as there is effort and deep commitment to try on both sides, an understanding of the value of the relationship and meeting the person half-way, you can make it work. too many time though people are too stuck, trapped within themselves or give up at the first sign of differences.

"just because air signs mostly work on a mental plane that doesn't mean that they should act as if emotions are just passing and therefore not worth investigating. just as i said, emotions have an origin. usually a rational one if you think about people's experiences and the way their personalities and hang-ups and needs developed. emotions are valid."

actually alot of scorps I know dont explore their emotions. they just live it in an instinctual manner. when they hurt someone, or are negative, they don't even know it. And they expect to be forgiven just because they are easily deflective and can emotionally turn the situation around. You know, I find that the nicer I am to a scorpio, the more they take it the wrong way. Ask me to figure that out? I think it's too hard... I avoid it altogether. We just live on different planes. Scorpio is my mother, and i think that we hit the reverse jackpot.

"I find my many relationships with Scorpios to be quite fulfilling. Not always as easy as with an Aquarius, but I have good, long lasting relationships with many - male and female. Non Sexual. 2 of my best friends..."

Thats good for you. I think I am more airy - as in I have no water planets save jupiter, and the scorpio women I come across outside are either too stingy, too manipulative or those who are insatiable in their power hungriness. The scorpio men scare me some, and I dont see how they can make platonic friends, really.

by the way IsabelScorpia, you can PM me if you wish..

"and yes, it is often a scorpio reaction to "overtake" because, we tend to get consumed and i think it goes along with what i mentioned earlier, the fact that we want to experience things fully, completely, and we go about this by submerging ourselves in our emotions, and merging ourselves with another. you can argue that this is not healthy, and it isn't, but it is oh so satisfying for us, to be honest. i have learned balance over my time, but i still find it so emotionally rewarding to become submerged every now and then, i can't help myself as it is a natural desire."

Well you're a thinking Scorp, and I can bet Libra or some air fills your chart. I think you know that alot of scorpios dont even bother to analyse their emotions, as I mentioned earlier. They dont know what's fair and whats not. They just bulldoze through life destroying all on their path, and dare i say without ever realising it (or is that a feign)? I've come across too many bad scorpios who just don't play fair. It's like being punched in the stomach and having the perpetrator not only not acknowledging it, but telling you to take care, buddy?

"You know, I find that the nicer I am to a scorpio, the more they take it the wrong way. Ask me to figure that out? I think it's too hard... I avoid it altogether. "

Well Scorps are suspcious people anyway. So the nicer you are the more we think you're cooking something up. Nice and bubbley and bouncey and happy doesn't usually go over well with Scorps. It's annoying and it's just........wrong (to us).
So where you may be being genuinely nice we think you are up to something.

Question. Do you TRY to be nicer to Scorps. Is it a natural nice or do you put forth effort into being nicer?
I ask because it's probably something that we sense. You having to try to be nice or nicer to us. It reeks of falseness and that's something that we tend to not like very well.

I've tried a Libra when it comes to relationships. Sorry to say but he was the classic Libra. He could not for the life of him face anything unpleasent. Confrontations were non exsistant to this boy. And with me there will be some confrontations. He LIED all the time. Maybe he did it to impress me or keep the peace or whatever.... his intentions may have been good (except for lying about cheating on me *shrug*). The point is that Scorps NEED the truth. We want to hear it blood and gore and all. Libras can't seem to stomach that and they skirt around it. It just doesn't work.

But most of the Libras I know on line have alot of Scorp influence. Those kinds are kindred spirits to me 🙂

"I've come across too many bad scorpios who just don't play fair. It's like being punched in the stomach and having the perpetrator not only not acknowledging it, but telling you to take care, buddy?"


Hmmmm.... yes. It is true. That much I can own up to. We don't play fair at all. We can be quite nasty. BUT that being said.... take this for what it's worth. A Scorp that is so hell bent on hurting you in some way or another and doesn't play fair is more then likely alot more tortured within themselves then you will ever be at their hand. You've done something to severely piss them off or hurt them. You have won because you've gotten to them. A revenge bent Scorpio is consumed with getting even. Consumed completely. We eat, drink and sleep with that always on our minds and chest. We lust for it. It's not fun.

I'm not excusing it but I'm giving you a different angle to go by. If you don't react to whatever they throw at you.... you win. It will continue to torment them for a very long time.

"Well Scorps are suspcious people anyway. So the nicer you are the more we think you're cooking something up. Nice and bubbley and bouncey and happy doesn't usually go over well with Scorps. It's annoying and it's just........wrong (to us).
So where you may be being genuinely nice we think you are up to something. "

When I'm nicer to a Scorp, it means I want to mend the relationship, nothing more, nothing less. We don't use it as a manipulative tool, at least not so obviously an yway. When I am nice to a scorp, the most I expect is RECIPROCITY.. a pleasant atmosphere not filled with vengeful undertones.

"Do you TRY to be nicer to Scorps. Is it a natural nice or do you put forth effort into being nicer? "
Well firstly, there is only so much energy someone can spare. When a libra focuses on a scorpio, they try to be nice to them, just like how they are nice to their friend to make them feel extra special. You know, only a scorpio takes it the wrong way, the rest, they appreciate the attention.

"You having to try to be nice or nicer to us. It reeks of falseness and that's something that we tend to not like very well."
thats like a lose-lose situation.. so how do u deal with a scorpio who has become a tyrant? give in to her? i expect her to put away her emotions and be civilised; at least in the work place, professionalism is congeniality.

"The point is that Scorps NEED the truth." "It just doesn't work."

need the truth, but if it involves them, they fug it up.. a bit hypocritical, really. and the truth is used to manipulate and control, not anything else.. thats why they tend to hide their own truths. We librans need reciprocity.. and also honesty from the scorpio too..

"We eat, drink and sleep with that always on our minds and chest. We lust for it. It's not fun."

Tell that to my moon in the scorpio house. When I burn for revenge, my moon = emotions never let it go.. even if I want to.

"It will continue to torment them for a very long time."

Not clearing it up with thewm torments me. By the way, you say scorpios like truth, but the one i know in the workplace is the ultimate pokerface.....

Ah... so when you are being nice you are wanting to mend a relationship. I may be wrong here but I'll just throw this out there.

I've known some Scorps that when they know they have you by the balls they squeeze a little harder just to make you squirm. Especially if they know THEY were in the wrong but YOU are trying to mend it. Apologizing and trying to mend is one thing but to certain Scorps they take anything more then a simple apology as grovelling. Power hungry we can get. A Scorpio is the most likely to kick you while your down just so you remember to think before you cross them ever again.
There's that whole not playing fair thing.
My advice to trying to get back a relationship with a Scorp is saying your piece, make sure they get your meaning loud and clear, and leave the rest up to them. Let them come to you. And most of the time..... they will. Trying too hard let's a Scorpio know they are in control and damned if a pissed off or hurt Scorpio won't use that to their advantage.

"so how do u deal with a scorpio who has become a tyrant? give in to her? "

Hell no! That will only make things worse. I know Libras don't like people to be mad at them but with Scorps you have to let alot of things (emotions, anger) run their course. You can't make them do anything. All you can do is tell them how you feel and leave the ball in their court. The only thing they can do is either get over it or walk away for good. If they start acting unprofessionallly in a work place give them enough rope to hang themselves. Sit back and watch people figure out who they REALLY are by letting them veer out of control.

I totally understand you wanting to have a civil relationship if you are the one putting forth most of the effort but *most* Scorps (there are some that are as fake as Pam Andersons's tatas) will not even pretend to like you if they really don't even for the sake of civility. If they don't like you they don't like you and there is nothing you can do but ignore them and make them look like a jackass for being a puke. As emotional as Scorps are they eventually do mess up and lash out. You just have to be more patient then they are. 😉
Yes, Scorps do have poker faces ALOT but it's a force that is barely kept undercontrol. One tiny thing can set that pokerface off and then the true colors come out. You just have to know which button to push.

"Ah... so when you are being nice you are wanting to mend a relationship."

Yes, if you deal with a venusian creature, their first priority is harmony.. not revenge, not manipulation. thats why mars/pluto and venus are so different.

"You just have to know which button to push."

Apparently I push the right (or is it wrong?) button.. and I know why.. I usually see through her, right to the dot.. who ever likes that? especially not a scorpio. I may be libra but I have bionic vision.

"My advice to trying to get back a relationship with a Scorp is saying your piece, make sure they get your meaning loud and clear, and leave the rest up to them. Let them come to you. And most of the time..... they will. Trying too hard let's a Scorpio know they are in control and damned if a pissed off or hurt Scorpio won't use that to their advantage."

So how do you work with a scorpio anyway? Only an aries or some water sign can do that.. A libra cannot stand it.. especially a psycho scorp who's not doing her work but making trouble.. her emotions were all splayed out like medusa.

"My advice to trying to get back a relationship with a Scorp is saying your piece, make sure they get your meaning loud and clear, and leave the rest up to them. Let them come to you. And most of the time..... they will. Trying too hard let's a Scorpio know they are in control and damned if a pissed off or hurt Scorpio won't use that to their advantage.'

That was insightful. but when you are in close contact with them, it isnt really a free will thing.. you just have to get along... and the one with snakes in a bag playing poker is usually scorpio.

"If they start acting unprofessionallly in a work place give them enough rope to hang themselves. Sit back and watch people figure out who they REALLY are by letting them veer out of control."

She knows how to play the office game.. shes a different person for everyone. and drops gossip and rumours everywhere..
thing is, I wrote to the manager detailing everything she did; I am wondering how that went.

May I ask what exactly went down? Why did she make a target of you?

It does sound like you have a rather immature and unstable person you are dealing with. I think you did right by making your side known to the mangager. It sounds like one of those things that you have to make your side known and focus on the job rather then what else is going on if possible. If she is so emotional and unstable it will bite her eventually.

Trust me when I say that gossip and rumors always eventually find it's source and then it gets very messy. You do not want to be near it when it explodes.

"May I ask what exactly went down? Why did she make a target of you? "

I'm not sure if I'm her 'target' or if that's how she operates. But I do not respect autocratic behavior, and dictatorial behavior, which was what she gave to me. Because she had some form of power, where she collected to payrolls and did the organization, she expected respect but did not dish out any. Further, she was not an organized person, so she decided to write off her inadequacies by smearing its bad name on others. I hear her slag off so many other excolleagues I cringe. She is not a boss or anything, but there were people udner her because she was more senoir. and I bet they dont even know her power game, which i see through easily.

"It does sound like you have a rather immature and unstable person you are dealing with. I think you did right by making your side known to the mangager. It sounds like one of those things that you have to make your side known and focus on the job rather then what else is going on if possible. If she is so emotional and unstable it will bite her eventually."

Ya, but I wont be there to see that, and I just hope in the future I dont have someone like that to deal with. Im not sure if the manager takes my side, as you know, they dont really care, as long as the job is done..

'Trust me when I say that gossip and rumors always eventually find it's source and then it gets very messy. You do not want to be near it when it explodes."
Ya well, I left; a blessing because it was not a job I wanted to do anyway.. it brought better ideas and things when I freed myself from it.
Her motto was: 'I am the top dog; the rest of you are nothing'.

Oh I see it's the Scorpio from your previous thread.

Well you got out. It sucks that it had to go down that way but at least you don't have to deal with it anymore. It WILL come around trust me. I've had to learn to be patient and in the past year a couple people who did me wrong (including a job/boss) got theirs. For a long time it was disheartening to see them all revel in what look like rubbing my nose in the things they got away with. But it bit them in the ass and it bit them hard.

You have made the manager aware in some way and perhaps that little push will be the start to her downfall.

I'll admit in my job that I'm senior (but not the boss). I've had a run in with only one person that came in fresh and started to try and "take over". She was older then me but certainly not my senior or boss. I admit with a little help from my Cappy co worker we ran her off the job within 2 months. She was starting trouble and then her mistake... turned on me.
I admit to using underhanded tactics to get her to leave. She fell for it hook line and sinker. She quit and told my boss how horrible I was. My boss did confront me but she didn't do much else. Boss lady is a Scorpio. I AM way more aware of how I handle people now. I was never a tyrant but I just do my own thing and stay out of people's way and they stay out of my way too. I gain a tad bit of infamy from that situation. They knew what I was doing when I was doing it but because this woman stepped on one too many toes they were silently cheering me on. *shrug*

It probably wasn't right but Scorps get territorial. They are very possesive of not only people but surroundings.

Do you know her sign?

Well your workplace was full of pluto and mars scorpio/cap energy, I'd think i know why the other person was driven off.. they just didnt play the same tune.. did you have gemini energy too?

"I've had a run in with only one person that came in fresh and started to try and "take over"."
what did u mean by take over? you mean they wanted to get more responsibilities or be the boss' pet or network furiously?

"I admit to using underhanded tactics to get her to leave."
how was it done?

"They are very possesive of not only people but surroundings."
Yes this I can agree to.

Well it's a really long story.

My boss, Cappy and I are all a pretty tight team. We recently had another Scorpio start and we've really taken her under our wing.
I'm not sure what this woman's sign was. She didn't stick around long enough for me to find out. The spat started her first week here.

Basically since she was older then I was and my boss explained to her to come to me if she had a problem this woman was "offended" that she sound come to me with any questions. There is alot to learn on the job in a short amount of time and people mess up. It's expected. When this woman messed up I happened to be the one that caught her mistake and corrected it. I left her a private memo about her error and how it was suppose to be done. I wasn't anymore stern with her then I am with the other employees. She took ALOT of offense to it and saw it as an attack. She then started to complain to everyone else behind my back how I thought I was SO smart and how I didn't do my job properly and she had "corrected" a few of MY mistakes which is why I tried to make an "example" of her to embarrass her. Not true at all. She hadn't been on the job long enough to even KNOW if I'd made any mistakes or not. But she would go to the boss repeatedly to "tattle" on me about anything she thought she could get me in trouble over.
My boss always told her that no I hadn't made any mistakes and it seemed then she went on a witch hunt for me.

Meanwhile instead of focusing on learning the job she was up my ass all the time worrying about what I was doing and trying to catch me doing something bad. She slacked heavily on HER duties. My Cap coworker started turning her in (quietly) to the boss about her lack of work ethic. When my boss confronted her she blew up and blamed me for turning her in even though my boss told her that I had nothing to do with it.

Basically after that BS I grew tired of taking the high road only to have her dogging me all the time and I started pushing her buttons. I nitpicked at all her mistakes (only because she was new was why she made them). I got up her ass all the time for anything I could. My Cap joined in and we kinda tag teamed her.
Finally after me being an extream smartass to her when she asked me if I had done something properly she flipped out on me, screamed she was going to kick my ass, and left. *shrug* All this because I (rightly) corrected her mistakes.

She even went as far as to try and go through some of MY paperwork (very important the boss intrusted to me) and toss some of it. The boss found it in the trash thank goodness.

I have no gem influences. I'm *mostly* Scorpio. Her... I dunno.
I know my Cap did have a hand in some of it but I was the one that made it known that I had her in my sights. Technically I didn't do anything wrong. She was more worried about me then her job and it made it easy for me to turn her in for her mistakes. But I admit to pushing and antaganizing her so she WOULD mess up.
The day she left my Cap shook her head at me and told me "Well done". Everyone knew I was pushing her to quit and she did.

It sounds bad but I was honestly trying to help her when she pulled her crap. She tried to spread gossip about me, tried to say I wasnt doing my job (which I take ALOT of offense to since I do *most* of the work). She came in like she owned the place and we should just sit back and let her. Nope wasn't happening. I was fine til she messed with me.

'Meanwhile instead of focusing on learning the job she was up my ass all the time worrying about what I was doing and trying to catch me doing something bad."
this could be because she felt like u did the same to her or something..
anyway she sounds like she does have scorpionic influences as well...

"she flipped out on me, screamed she was going to kick my ass, and left."
I rule out libra, gemini or aquarius

she could very well be a Leo... anyway if you could find out her birth date it would be good to see the dynamics.
Your workplace is very martian, everyone else would be driven out.. but a gemini would fit in fine..

anyway your accounts on the happenings I can actually relate.. thing is, are all office relations like this? I only experienced this with a scorpio...

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Posted by spica
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"she flipped out on me, screamed she was going to kick my ass, and left."
I rule out libra, gemini or aquarius

she could very well be a Leo... anyway if you could find out her birth date it would be good to see the dynamics.
Your workplace is very martian, everyone else would be driven out.. but a gemini would fit in fine..

anyway your accounts on the happenings I can actually relate.. thing is, are all office relations like this? I only experienced this with a scorpio...

I move only when needed and never more than I need in order to accomplish a task. But I always relax in a manner that could be described as "combat aware". I'm competitive and argumentative - a difficult person to be with I admit, but I usually ignore others until they mess with my job. Like living with explosives, you know it's safe as long as it's handled properly. Screw up and it detonates.

I'm oftentimes late, I use to do things my way (more efficient) and I would be in tremendous difficulties if I wouldn't excel in my job. I don't team up with others against anyone - sometimes I defend someone because I think it is unfair to not fight on a 1:1 basis. If I have a problem with someone, I'll go and tell them upfront. I don't yell though. Staring is usually sufficient to get my point across. I generally speak in a low voice cause speaking loud stresses my throat.

I have no water, very few fire but lots of air in my chart... and I'm a Libra. Generalisations don't actually prove anything to anyone.

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So what's your point regarding my post?

I ruled out Libra because shouting in the workplace is not something I would do, nor my gem colleague would do. I know it occurs in the more emotional or dramatic signs..

I'm actually 85% sure the girl can't be a Libra.

As well, GS said
"She even went as far as to try and go through some of MY paperwork (very important the boss intrusted to me) and toss some of it. The boss found it in the trash thank goodness."

I don't know, but if I want to toss paperwork, I'd make sure its not where it can be easily found.

Further, Libra _women_ don't shout in public, especially not to co-workers. Well I was very good to my scorpio co-worker (the more i was nice to her, the more she was suspicious and controlling), if anything, I was sarcastic and debating, but not shouting.

Further, Libra and Scorpio deal with each other in a different way. Personally, I know a threat of shouting to a scorpio wont do much at all.. I wont even try it.

If a libra shouts at a co-worker, she'd most likely be an air or fire sign. I dont see how shouting at water signs are effective at all.. personally I wont do it.. I wont even shout at a piscean..

Further, the woman's worked there for a very short while. Takes a while to get acclimitised to shouting (!)

By the way, even a Scorpio won't shout, at least not at the workplace.. it must be a fire sign1!!!!

"She came in like she owned the place and we should just sit back and let her."

A new libra would spend time trying to get to know co-workers, and create a pleasant environment instead of trying to up them. at least not in a martian environment, no way

Posted by DepressedAngel

Posted by spica
"She came in like she owned the place and we should just sit back and let her."

A new libra would spend time trying to get to know co-workers, and create a pleasant environment instead of trying to up them. at least not in a martian environment, no way

Leo rising 😉

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Why would you think it's a Libra girl?
Seriosuly as I read through GS's post, they were involved in an emotional battle throughout the time she was there. If anything, the libra won't do what she did; if I'd do that, it would be after everything's over.. not when its going on, its like digging your own grave. Seriously, that girl deserved it; a newbie can't win the battle of the oldbies. And she wants to be a permanent staff: only a sign of battle would enjoy a workplace battle.

What, you mean you'd do that??
from her description, she doesnt sound libra at all

Posted by DepressedAngel
I wouldn't ever toss paper work away, that could be bad for a lot of practical reasons. I put my fist to good use on occasion, though. That's a culture thing I think... I'm still convinced that explains a lot of differences. Can't tell for sure though, since I'm not American I have no idea how your usual work place looks like. People here are usually very outspoken and upfront, and swearing is quite normal.

yeah, the fact she tosses impt paperwork away shows she doesnt care for the company and is going out soon.. she may even be a spy; personally i wouldnt use a fist..........

Personally, I dont know a leo rising! So I can't comment, really. But the libra sun will tone down this leo tendency to flare up. Also, Leo risers do not detail and find fault to pick out someone's inadequacies.. that is strong virgo territory....
leo rising and aries sun, maybe.. not even a sag sun...

^^Gems dont do this battle of the wills... no no they don't... they are the ones to ease up all the tension

Oh, you didn't read the fine print
not in a workplace, I don't think..
other places, maybe!!!!

wow a lot happened here overnight!

spica, I have practically no air signs in my chart. maybe i'm a "thinking scorp" because i have a lot of earth so I am able to be more practical, but actually scorps should be analytical and have the need to delve deeper into things, this should apply to deeper into their understanding of themselves and others. over time the awareness of themselves should help them overcome certain behaviors, especially since control is important to us, control over ourselves would be an obvious, (although difficult) pursuit.
funny, i've never really dealt with any scorps besides myself. i dated one for a couple weeks and i could tell he had a lot of barriers put up right away. he pursued me openly but then once we started dating he became defensive and started playing games to test me. i wasn't that interested to begin with as we had practically nothing in common, and nothing to talk about as I came to find, so i didn't have the patience for his games and ended it. the only other scorp i've dealt with was a good friend of mine when i was younger, not much to say there. she was analytical though. and from the sense i get of the scorps on these boards we all are true to the description, analytical. but sure, compared to libra we aren't as emotionally composed. but isn't libra a bit emotionally repressed? that's how it felt when i was with my libra ex. he shut off his emotions, denied them their value, didn't use them to teach him anything about himself, didn't think them worthy enough to understand, get to the bottom of, etc. i could see feelings coming forth but he would catch himself. do all libra's do this or was he an extreme?

anyway, i really like how this has become a nonoffensive place to bounce ideas back and forth so that we libra and scorp can understand each other better, and learn something useful.

"isn't libra a bit emotionally repressed?"
I would say yes, because usually emotions don't follow a logical sequence, and libra is all about logic. We know that emotions can be used to manipulate, which is usually done... usually people with dominant emotions are the ones who manipulate others, alot of times to do their bidding...

"he shut off his emotions, denied them their value, didn't use them to teach him anything about himself, didn't think them worthy enough to understand, get to the bottom of, etc. i could see feelings coming forth but he would catch himself. do all libra's do this or was he an extreme?"

theres a difference between libra men and women.. alot of libra men do the avoidance thing because they're not sufficiently grounded in their sense of self.... theyd rather polish and refine their intellect. they dont like to give up control, and when feelings are allowed to 'fester', control goes out of hand.....

"Thats good for you. I think I am more airy - as in I have no water planets save jupiter, and the scorpio women I come across outside are either too stingy, too manipulative or those who are insatiable in their power hungriness."

I have mainly air and fire...only 2 water. I just stated above, you are limiting yourself if you rely on your planets to "explain" why you can't get along with Scorpios. You CAN get along with them, you CHOOSE not to. Don't you get it? Sure, you may be limited by the "AIRY" chart you have, but you also are equipped to overcome those limitations.

I am just arguing that my Scorpio relationships are some of the best and most important in my life so far. I find them drastically different depth-wise than any other relationships with other signs. These relationships are valuable and simply shouldn't be written off as Libra too-shallow, Scorpio too-mean.

wow how different! to say that emotions manipulate the mind, as if mind is true self and emotions seek to alter it, whereas to scorp or water signs, emotions are your true self and mind and logic can serve to repress and deny the true self..
just as emotions can manipulate mind, mind too can manipulate emotions, don't forget.
how interesting. how supremely at odds we are.

you definitely have a point a muse, but only if the other seeks to overcome and meet you half way. i have a gemini father. i tried my whole life to understand him and establish a relationship with him by understanding how he does things, why he is the way he is and how best i can change my behavior around him to help make our relationship work. he has never tried to change anything about himself to meet me half way, he denies the things he does, or if he is aware he doesn't like to think about it or spend time enough to understand and do differently. he has never tried. if they are both willing to make an effort and be honest with themselves it can work, but in many cases it is usually one person who sees these things and tries desperately, and the other doesn't.

i understand that hypnotic.
even though i see things logically and am rational, i know also that certain things i would regret if i didn't follow my heart in. i pick and chose, and i usually know the battle i want to fight on behalf of my emotions. otherwise, i make decisions with my mind.

for example, like in romantic situation: libra and i dated 9 months, became attached and truly care about each other, love each other, even if we are not compatible in many ways and logically there is so much that will most likely not work and break-up is pretty much inevitable. i would still want to continue on and have the hapiness of being together even knowing it will end, whereas he will end things now to avoid further closeness and further pain since break up is inevitable as the differences would create many difficuties later. he says although he feels what he feels he will always follow his head, and i say i'm the opposite. he says he loves this about me, but he is the way he is and i guess that's it right. truly painful. as logical as it is.

Posted by IsabelScorpia
you definitely have a point a muse, but only if the other seeks to overcome and meet you half way. i have a gemini father. i tried my whole life to understand him and establish a relationship with him by understanding how he does things, why he is the way he is and how best i can change my behavior around him to help make our relationship work. he has never tried to change anything about himself to meet me half way, he denies the things he does, or if he is aware he doesn't like to think about it or spend time enough to understand and do differently. he has never tried. if they are both willing to make an effort and be honest with themselves it can work, but in many cases it is usually one person who sees these things and tries desperately, and the other doesn't.

LOL...yes. It takes compromise. Show me a Gemini who can understand compromise and well...

it's funny actually. I'm sure they're out there, but Gemini's are actually an immature sign compared to Libra and Scorp. Some astrologers really adhere to the "age" rule, determining that Aries are the babies of the Zodiac, and Aquarius are the oldest generation. Some even think we reincarnate our way through it. By that measure, Scorpio is more mature than Libra, but only by a degree.

Gemini are really childish. I doubt your father is aware that you feel the way you do, he is living in his own world where he can feel good and happy with himself. I have a gemini father as well, I know the trouble it takes to "make the relationship work" and the terrible expectations I've been held to as a child...

Posted by ScorpiusIII
Yea, can't trust the Libras. Can't trust anyone. As far as signs go, if you pick one to trust I say go Capricorn or something Earth. Scorpios are the worst.

hahahahahaha @ Scorpius.

DA and Spica I wish I could give you guy more detail (whew! You guy analized the heck out of this one!).

I'm not trying to paint my side in a more shining light because I know what I did to push her out was pretty sneaky. I was however very nice to her at first as I am to all starting out and offered my help in any way. From the start she made it known that she didn't WANT or need my help (she came across as being offended that she couldn't pick up things so quickly). She gave the same know it all attitude to Cap who is the next step down after me. Cap gave up early on to stay out of the drama so this woman seemed to want to target me.
She made it known to a couple others that she wanted the same priviliges as I had even though I've earned those through 3 years of working the job and she'd only been there for a couple weeks. She tried to publicly embarrass me by sending out a mass memo to everyone that I wasn't doing my work properly and she had infact fixed my mistakes when it was the other way around.
She also tried to sabatoge the whole computer system right before she walked out by deleting some files here and there (which I thankfully found out right away and redid).

The fact she threw away some paperwork was quite laughable since she just tossed it on top of the garbage. My Scorpio boss (not kidding here) has a tendacy to go through the trash (hahaha) because at one time we had a little drama at work about people leaving catty notes for each other and starting gossip and rumors. So she goes through it to see if anyone is trying to hide notes that they have written. *rolls eyes* Scorps huh?

I have to agree that she was probably a fire sign or had alot of fire influence to her. I almost want to say she was probably and Aries or a Leo. She was full throttle on everything she did but she had a little bit of a dramtic "feel sorry for me" flair too. She called my boss once in a huge tizzy over her son (supposively) missing when in fact the 16 year old was just down the street at a friends house but she had already called in sick to work and had the cops out searching for him before she stopped to check with anyone on his whereabouts. She would get offended very very easily if she made a mistake and we would try and help her correct it. She'd reply with "Yeah... I KNOW what I'm doing" or " But YOU told me to do it like this". Nothing was ever her fault. She like to gossip alot too. So you guys are probably right about her fire influence.

I am a Libra man and seriously I reel that I arrived here form another planet, the planet of normal. my wife of 20 years whoever is a Scorpio and I an totally fasinated with her, Her eyes are like lazers that shoot fireballs of love, but for a Libra it's like the tractor beam, just have to draw us in at that point. I hear so many times from my wife that she's "tired of the bullshit" of life, me being a Libra is thinking I better start looing for a place. Another common chord with the Scorp and you'll hea this a lot, I'm tired of the games, well guess what, they are the chess champions of head games. I and myself are very attractive people nad we do get attention from others, does this mean anything......yes, because for the Libra having this constant contest at home about the desires of his scorp and what matters to her and not him causes the candle to flicker, it's the bulshit. I and her had some problems back a bit and actually I'm not sure how I feel right now. The deal was that we grew so far apart that I moved to another room in the house beause..............because! This will kill your marriag with a scorp, you'll need to go to them all the time no matter whos fault and suck it up, but don't expect to get makeup sex, at lease not for a month, you have to prove to her that what you said on June 4 was actually true and ny the grace of God don't falter. She told me later that many times she cried at night because she just wanted to crawl into bed with me to hold her, I did the same thing, did she come...............no, did she make it better or worse by holding out.......worse. Librsa are forgivers, it may take a little time but as opposed to a scorp, Libra time cane be read on a clock, scorp, a calendar, this wouldn't work for a Gemini and we all know about them.

Is my marrage dying, yes, do I love her, with the passion that it started with. Is she holding grudges, yes, can I get past them no. Will I burn out here soon yes. And you know the biggest shame is the with just a little more giving and understand and listening to me (does this well for friemds) this could be brand new. I'm tired of trying and when I made the statement to her the other night (draw from this) that I lookforward to getting old together, she said "lt's just se how it goes" What would you think at this point in your relationship—?

I started to like this Scorpio like last week and she's really attractve and we both share this chemistry but after reading what balance said I'm sort of hesitating if I should do anything. I've nevr been in a relationship with a scorp and i really don't know what to do at this point if it's even worth trying to work things out.

I've had relationships with Libra women that didn't end well. They were nice and beautiful people, but the real communication just wasn't there. I could never tell where they really stood. I found more communication with Geminis. Geminis are all over the map, but at any given point, they do tell you what they really think.