I understand your frustration QS. It's not a nice thing he did to you. But I agree with SL, I think you should just wait till he calls you and then have a talk with him.
I think you are taking this way to personal. Give him some space."
Space is one thing, but complete lack of communication is disrespectful. He will call several times back to back until he can get a hold of me but it is okay for him not to return calls or say. I am alive something is on my mind? Sorry that is immature and disrespectful. Period, especially when you expect the same respect. But then again, he is a scorp male we all know how they are the kings of double standards. One thing I call them on and don't let them get away with. They always eventually get it.
He can have all the space he needs but ignoring a person you so-called are invovled with is immature and disrespectful. Even if I am upset with someone I will answer or return a call. Highschool kids play phone games not adults.
LOL... I see all of that, But you know the double standards, you have dated a scropio before you should be used to there actions, so I can't see why you are so upset.
I still think the brother is thinking... about what he wants to say... He probably figures if he took your call you are probably going to make him have "sit down long conversation" that is probably not ready for. Which is the reason he is not taking your call.
Hell my Gem says he is going to call and sometimes I won't hear from him for 3 days, but I won't call him and get upset, I just take my space as well and move on.
To me if a man does not return your calls or don't call you they are taking some space.
QS Let me ask you this. If he would have taken your call would you have made him set a date to have this "long conversation" or would you have waited until he was ready.
"Hell my Gem says he is going to call and sometimes I won't hear from him for 3 days, but I won't call him and get upset, I just take my space as well and move on.
To me if a man does not return your calls or don't call you they are taking some space."
Under normal circumstances this wouldn't bother me at all. I am by far not a clingy person, most times the guys are the ones wondering why they haven't hear from me. However, him being aware that there is an issue and "he" suggesting that we discuss it as soon as possible, then leaving things in the air is just immature period. If you care or respect someone, you would atleast return a call to say " leave me the hell alone I am thinking some things through, oh and by the way I am a live and didn't die on the way out of town or during my return."
We all know if it was the other way around they would literral go into convulsions looking for you. Needs some respect here.
"QS Let me ask you this. If he would have taken your call would you have made him set a date to have this "long conversation" or would you have waited until he was ready."
Per our conversation when he suggested that we sit down and have this conversation, as I stated then, "When you are ready or available to discuss this let me know". I would state the same now.
That isn't the only reason not to respond because of fear of what I might say or ask. Especially if you normally talk several times a day and 3 days pass and you don't know if the person is dead or alive. That is inconsiderate.
Maybe something happened, why are you jumping to conclusion when you don't know why he has not called yet.
Calm down take a chill pill and do you. If he calls I am sure as well as you are that he will have an excuse as to why he did not or have not returned your call.
I don't think it's fear on his part, I believe he is thinking. I think it is insecurity on your part and you are using the disrespect, and immaturity card, to have a reason to get upset with him
You already know there is a issue brewing here why don't you take the time to reevaluate this freindship as well so that you can be ready when he is ready to have this "long conversation"
"I don't think it's fear on his part, I believe he is thinking. I think it is insecurity on your part and you are using the disrespect, and immaturity card, to have a reason to get upset with him."
SL, I know you don't mean to put me down and "insecurity" is really not a part of my personality at all, but leaving things hanging pisses me off in light of the situation. To be honest, I have zero tolerance for a person whomever it is, who can say one thing and act in another way. I guess becuae I say what I mean and mean what I say and that is what I expect in return, true enough no to people are the same.
To you SL, this might be respectful and mature to me it isn't either. He expect to be able to contact me whenever he reaches out. I don't on a normal basis think it is a big deal if someone doesn't answer when I call or return my call right away, even after a coulple of days until today, it wasn't that big of a deal, but when there are issues on the table and it has been this long (mind you he calls several times daily.) then I think he should have the curtosy to return a call after I have reached out just to say he is okay and he has stuff on his mind and will get in contact with me when he cans = respect. Ignoring someone = disrespect and immature. Period. Again, this is my opinion whether it is a mate, a friend, a relative or whomever. You don't have to agree, but this is where I stand on this issue.
If and when he calls, I am sure I won't be as pissed off about it as I am now, but I will definitely bring it up. If something happened to his phone, which can definitely be an issue. Hotels have phones.
"To me somethings are just to menial to get all up so or let it be the focus of all my thoughts. "
By the way this isn't at all the focus of all my thoughts. I didn't sit home all weekend and sulk over it. In fact I had a fabulous weekend. It is just something that didn't set right with me.
"I would have thought that this was a "Dynamite Couple"
The emotional connection is definitely dynamite when all good. However a relationship is not only about emotions. That's really the problem in a Scorp/Scorp couple, they're not the best at working a relationship together. Two emotionally driven individuals, can be quite a mess going through tough times, something that all couples go through.
Yeah, that is true Ray's Heart. The emotional and the intensity is unmatched, but there are challenges in other areas for sure.
Anyway. He called my work number and left a message that his cell phone broke this weekend while he was away. He said he would call when he got off work. No call, but whatever.
"Anyway. He called my work number and left a message that his cell phone broke this weekend while he was away. He said he would call when he got off work. No call, but whatever."
I know I should stay out of this but I have some questions
1. Did he call your office during working hours or after working hours?
2. Do you believe his cell was broken?
Well he did make contact, that has to account for something.
I know a scorp couple. Wow. They really strive on the emotional part. I worry that all the stability and foundation of the relationship suffers from that. Not necessarily a bad thing, but too much of a good thing without balance can be bad.
SL, all comments, suggestions and points of view are welcome.
Yes, he did call my office during working hours. I have no choice but to believe his cell is broken. Once before he left his cell home and called me from another number because he said, "my work number was the only number he memorized by heart." Wierd since he mostly calls my cell or home number, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Who knows what is going on with him. I guess I will find out one day. Or not.
Hmmm, he just called, I had a chance to speak to him breifly before he had to go to a meeting. I didn't say much. The convo went like this:
Him: Hello beautiful, it's me XXXXXX Me: Oh, hey what's up? Him: What's wrong, why are you sounding like that? Me: I didn't know who you were, didn't recognize the number. I am okay. Him: My phone is broken and I have been working late and couldn't pick another one up. I am waiting to have one shiped to me. I tried calling you twice yesterday. I left a message the first time. Me: I got it, but since you don't have a phone, I couldn't return your call. My phone broke this morning too. Him: How is (my duaghter). Me: Fine, how is yours Him: Sick with the flu Me: Sorry to hear Him: I would have called from the hotel, but I only remembered your work number and I knew you wouldn't be at work on the weekend. Me: Oh Him: Well I got to run, I will call you later. Me: Okay.
Sounds like he is very busy, and we understand the way things can be when you don't have the cellie in working order.
So do you agree that there were no need to get upset, he had a ligetimate excuse why he did not called the weekend. 🙂
I still think he is thinking and you probably won't see him until he gets his new phone. So I would just sit back and let him do all the calling and see how it goes after he get his new cellie🙂
SL, I don't think it was impossible to call. He is a scorp, very resourceful (uh, he has a laptop and all he had to do was look up his cell account to get my cell or home numbers). He has done similar things before, but whatever. I am basically over it and am just like "whatever happens happen."
SL, he will definitely be doing all the contacting now (especially since he doesn't have his cell) also, after he gets his cell he will be back to initial contact mostly because I have pulled back from this some emotionally. Very cautious at this point and feel a little non chalant about it now.
He was very sick, broke his phone and was at his parents. He finally contacted me and wanted to talk about our relationship to make sure I wanted what he wanted. We rescheduled the talked a couple of times (more like he did) it got annoying and I told him we need to do it soon as it is becoming a drag and this isn't brain surgery.
We went to dinner and set a day to talk he called me the morning after we were supposed to have this talk and I aske what happened. He said he got some disurbing news before he got off work, his heart is broken, and he was stressed out and his head was hurting he fell asleep right after work and didn't wake up until the next morning. I asked what it was about he said us.
I got angry as I thought that was bull since we have only known eachother a little over a month and we didn't know too many of either of our friends, by the way, if he heard something wouldn't the grown up thing to do would be to talk to me before getting all heart broken and shit?
Anyway he asked me to call after work (yesterday) I did, he called back, I missed his call. I called him back twice (phone still not working right but sometimes have incoming and he can make outgoing calls according to him) I think that is untrue, but I called again today. No return call. I left a message that I don't have time for games if he can't be man enough to address any issues he may have with me than don't waste my time with games.
I guess the age difference is coming out now. I can't be bothered so I dropped it. Stupid shit, I have no tolerance for. I had car trouble for a month and he helped me a lot, rented a car for me for 2 weeks, loaned me one of his cars one week and yes we have only been knowing eachother a month, but I admit he doesn't seem to be the guy he portrayed himself to be in the beginning, but whatever. I emailed him a short version of my concerns.
I am just doing me now. 🙂 Big plans for the weekend Sat/Sun.
My dating luck has sucked over the past 6 months or so, now that I have decided I actually want a real relationship.Yet my g/f who just got out of a relationship found a great man who treats her very special and seems very sincere. My karma is f u c k e d. The only man that swears he loves me to death and will go waaaaayyyy out his way for me is the scorp that is still married. Although separated again, still married and won't get divorce ever if you ask me for whatever his reasons are: Cheaper to keep her her handicap daughter he has been a father to since she was a year old etc. His daughter with his wife and her connection with his sickly son.... However how can two people stay together that don't get along at all and act like roomates is beyond me. Yet, not my problem. Sigh...
I think I should take a break from dating for awhile. It isn't working for me at the momen 😢
i am pretty sure that i am going to marry another scorpio my longest relationship was w a scorpio oct of 07 i was introduced to another via phone by a friend and we would talk here and there (once a mo friendly) when ever i happened to be at my friends house and he happened to call. in 09 we actually started calling more frequent and it turned into wanting to marry him. v strong attraction. but when i opened up to him he cut me off, for almost 6 mos. but i had moved on. i know my friend would tell him everything about me. when he found out that i was back w my x... a mo later he was married! to a woman he had known for 3 weeks! my scorpio (longest relationship, is unpredictable just as much).
anyhow the majority; literally 7 to 8 out of 10 guys that i can list that i am interested in are scorpios!!! always has been....
as far as your scorpios id cut them off... if a man gives you a headache then i personally have the tendency to be incredibly strict w myself. i would call him out on all the things (ask him, put him on the spot- emotion aside) that i analyze. analyzing is so time consuming. he wants you to analyze like crazy. if he saw this board it would send him over the moon!!! i didnt read all the details (there's 6 pages). but i get the jist that you are trying to gain some control over your torn heart. throw them both out and have the satisfaction that you cut them off. best way to do that is live your life like yor interest has naturally faded away. dont change your number or tell him that its over. if he calls you and you happen to have your phone, talk to him as if your talking to your brother. like best friends. indifference, not hot not cold.
"qs...from what i have read re this scorp married/separated guy, he is keeping you in his clutches by telling you these things, they use 'friends' to keep in touch, then they try to start it up all over again, it has happened too many times to count with this one that i know....even his voice gets like velvet when he is luring me back in again...that's why i dont want to hear it any more....he is like the devil"
Yup, irishlibra, it is all true about him. He came by my house, says he was just in the neighborhood, V-day with a very expense gift. I refused it initially but took it after his persistance. They are vaccumms. I went on a fabulous date though that evening, just fabulous. The new scorp - case closed. No room for games or drama. I am just enjoying life and see what happens.
"throw them both out and have the satisfaction that you cut them off. best way to do that is live your life like yor interest has naturally faded away. dont change your number or tell him that its over. if he calls you and you happen to have your phone, talk to him as if your talking to your brother. like best friends. indifference, not hot not cold."
llorei, that is exactly what I have done. I am good at moving on, some think i do it too soon. I think I do it when it is right.
"i sent him one back 'i want to feel loved and secure in a comitted relationship and be held every morning, you want to see other women when you feel like it, see me when you feel like it (only once every two or three weeks sometimes), and be not comitted....in other words, you want your cake and eat it too...it has been like this for too long and has not changed...end of story....in other words, you have had me on a string, and i wont have it any more'"
I think all scorp men have that "pulling you back in" trait. LOL!! The married/separated one, had done a ton for me and my daughter and used to spend tons of quality time with me but the fact remains, that I am divorced he isn't (separated or not - they keep trying and falling out and separating again.) and I won't share.