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Posted by FixedWater
I broke it off beginning of May cause he was being an asshole.
That's hardly gonna have changed in two months. This is just the typical "last chicky poo didn't work out so I'm checkin to see if I can snag you again" right?
Give me all the horror stories so I don't make the mistake of falling for his bs again.



I recall, but define "being an asshole" please because I am suspecting something else from what I remember from that thread. Not trying to get on your ass, just indulge me.

Posted by FixedWater
This is just the typical "last chicky poo didn't work out so I'm checkin to see if I can snag you again" right?
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Well based on "I broke it off beginning of May cause he was being an asshole.
That's hardly gonna have changed in two months" alone, I'd say yes, which is why I asked the above question. My question serves two purpose really. 1) I can sort out if this was entirely about him or about two water signs simply getting in their own way and 2) it helps you remember the reason you broke it off in the first place. You are your own "horror story" if we want to call it that.

P.S. Has anyone told you that you are a little dramatic? 😆
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Posted by FixedWater
I wish it was soul searching. I'm thinking probably not. Having said all that I'm still connected and have been working really hard to get in connected. I'm lost. After the reading I got the other day with 4 major arcana etc. death lovers high priestess karma
I'm not making any sense am I? Lol



I'm not very knowledgeable about tarot readings, sorry. Someone else will have to make that connection for you (if there is a connection). I'm opening to trying to understand better, but that won't help you at all.

Anyway, It reads like you are drawing conclusions about what he has/hasn't done and where he may be mentally and emotionally based on a reading? Or is it based something else?

What did the man say when he "came back"?
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Now wait just a cotton-pickin minute. Dramatic? Me?!
😆
Ok ladies, I was waiting to hear he's a jerk don't text him back.
Our story is pretty amazing ... Then it wasn't. It turned into the "same old" story and ~we~ Started being disrespected so I had no choice but to end it.
He has asked me only texted me asking how I am. I know what it means and think if he's really done soul searching and is the man I first met certainly he would put more effort into reaching out to me no?
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Posted by FixedWater
I wish it was soul searching. I'm thinking probably not. Having said all that I'm still connected and have been working really hard to get in connected. I'm lost. After the reading I got the other day with 4 major arcana etc. death lovers high priestess karma
I'm not making any sense am I? Lol



All majors? wooooh that is pretty heavy! Death means to move on and transform, with the lover..move on from lover
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Two nights ago I did a horseshoe reading on my career path. He's always in the back of my mind and we are "alike" spiritually so anytime I do stuff like this I have a hard time keeping him from my mind.
Anyway.
Past - death
Present - lovers
Positive - high priestess
Negatives - Page of wands
House - King of wands
Action - Karma
Outcome - Ten of Cups.
Heavy hitters. Wow
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I say move on. I just went through something similar with a scorp for a year and a half. I went back one last time a few months back thinking that after the last time he had done soul searching...it ended up being the same ole thing...2 months later I ended it for good. What I learned is that I grew out of all this but he refuses to. I'm glad I met him and we had the year and a half together because it taught me that it is ok to be vulnerable and open and that I don't have to live in fear of my emotions. So I say look at the good and what you can learn or have learned from the relationship but remember there is a reason why you broke up with him in the first place and move on because other wise it will more then likely be a repeat and not worth it...
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I'm not trying to be vague. It's a long story! Two Scorps. The beginning was crazy - Open, Bliss, unreal. This is the guy who spent two hours making a list with me of all the things we have in common. It was over 70. The crazy signs and syncronicities.
The connection was man/woman. Scorp/Scorp and spiritual if that helps. Unreal and wow.
Then ... He got scared. I "knew" him. Knew things were happening. It wasn't hard, he and I are so much alike. While he pulled away I tried to let him go. Tried to give him space and he didn't want it. What he was doing to us was ruining all the good stuff. The communication. The trust. I couldn't be there doing that anymore so I broke it off may 1 and said if he found a heart to let me know. That what I said I wanted in the beginning hasn't changed nor would it.

Does that help?
I am operating on a few hours if sleep so bare with me and my grammar issues. 🙂
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Posted by FixedWater
Now wait just a cotton-pickin minute. Dramatic? Me?!
😆



😄. It's the way you phrase things.

Posted by FixedWater

Ok ladies, I was waiting to hear he's a jerk don't text him back.
Our story is pretty amazing ... Then it wasn't. It turned into the "same old" story and ~we~ Started being disrespected so I had no choice but to end it.



Can't without more details, which you provided. So, "we started being disrespected"? meaning you also contributed to the issue? If so, then it doesn't really matter where he "is" emotionally, you two are not ready to start anything again. Not until you both do some "work".

Posted by FixedWater

He has asked me only texted me asking how I am. I know what it means and think if he's really done soul searching and is the man I first met certainly he would put more effort into reaching out to me no?
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In fairness to him, would you have respond to something more? I'm not sure what you would hope to see prior to his first attempt to reach out to you (e.g. text). Had you responded the the text (did you?) and he was trying to start right where things left off like nothing happened, then I would agree. Something else needs to be said/discussed. It could also be his way of just clearing the air---but there is clearly more here than I am aware of for you to feel this way. Do we need to go 10 pages deep before we get to it?

Anyway, what effort were you hoping to see in terms of him reaching out beyond what he did?
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Yes, I understand what you're saying... My goal with this thread is "Do I even return his text" - I say that because I stated the 2nd last time I broke it off with him that if he wanted to talk, he knew where I lived. That texting wasn't cutting it for me anymore. So he is aware that if he really wanted to make amends doing it by text probably isn't the way to go. I get that I may be intimidating to him, and possibly he cannot risk rejection by coming here and seeing me face to face but isn't it their actions that count? Do I give him a pass here and find out what it is he has to say? He has been sitting for about 2 hours and I don't like doing this. Either I am going to respond in a respectful period of time or not at all.
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... and yes Andalusia I would agree. The last few months, knowing where he was going was really hard to take. I didn't know how long, I didn't know how much damage he would do, but I knew I had to end it. I tried, and failed, tried again... and etc. I felt responsible to set him free and felt that if I didn't he would never see. I gave him the most beautiful exit, one he could feel good about taking.

The first message I sent him ever, when he contacted me online was to say "I think you should go and play with all the other chickies and come back to me in 6 months". Verbatum and it was one of those things I typed and sent without even thinking about it. Pure instinct, I have never reacted to anyone like that.

I don't know how much of this makes sense, and it is such a complicated version of the assclown story but still I worry that he is but my guts have said he isn't. That's the struggle I face and it is pretty important because I know my heart.
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Posted by FixedWater
... He got scared. I "knew" him. Knew things were happening. It wasn't hard, he and I are so much alike. While he pulled away I tried to let him go. Tried to give him space and he didn't want it. What he was doing to us was ruining all the good stuff. The communication. The trust. I couldn't be there doing that anymore so I broke it off may 1 and said if he found a heart to let me know. That what I said I wanted in the beginning hasn't changed nor would it.

Does that help?
I am operating on a few hours if sleep so bare with me and my grammar issues. 🙂



Hmph. So, if you two were so much alike are you going to try to tell me while he was all scared and anxious about the future, you were all calm and Zen the whooooole time? If you were, you wouldn't have needed a list to figure out if things were as good as they seems (I remember that list thread).

So, *pull up chair and get comfortable* he had no help from you at all at ruining the good stuff? The communication and the trust? Because Lord knows when some Scorps get anxious about the future with a SO they are all about open communication right? I'm not asking this to bring up the past, just to see how this is playing out now with the expectations you have that he —do more?? to reach out.

Let's be straight, you want to talk to him again. If you didn't you wouldn't need a group of people telling you "oh no guuurl....don't do it.". Scorps over the age of 20 don't need a lesson on how to cut someone off. However, you clearly have certain concerns that need to be addressed and sorted out before you'll let him pass go. Should he pass go?
No offense, but you can't go off of anyone else's experience because at the end of the day different people create different dynamics/energy in each other. You have no idea what type of —connection?? someone else had, so how can you compare it to yours and use that as a reference point? You have to go it alone here in figuring that out. Sorry. Question is do you trust yourself enough to figure that out (hence the need for the thread)? Better yet, do you trust that if you do make the "wrong" decision, you'll be just fine when it's all said and done (again)?
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Posted by FixedWater
The last few months, knowing where he was going was really hard to take. I didn't know how long, I didn't know how much damage he would do, but I knew I had to end it.

The first message I sent him ever, when he contacted me online was to say "I think you should go and play with all the other chickies and come back to me in 6 months"



And this:

Posted by FixedWater
I broke it off beginning of May cause he was being an asshole.
That's hardly gonna have changed in two months. This is just the typical "last chicky poo didn't work out so I'm checkin to see if I can snag you again" right?.
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You completely lost me.

Sounds to me like you're trying your damnedest to convince yourself (and us) that this guy is an asshole. I'm just wondering - why? Is it because you don't want to like him?
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I say move on. I just went through something similar with a scorp for a year and a half. I went back one last time a few months back thinking that after the last time he had done soul searching...it ended up being the same ole thing...2 months later I ended it for good. What I learned is that I grew out of all this but he refuses to. I'm glad I met him and we had the year and a half together because it taught me that it is ok to be vulnerable and open and that I don't have to live in fear of my emotions. So I say look at the good and what you can learn or have learned from the relationship but remember there is a reason why you broke up with him in the first place and move on because other wise it will more then likely be a repeat and not worth it...



Yes & Yes. 🙂
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Pr, I talked to him when he was withdrawing.. I knew what he was doing and we discussed how he had gone into protective mode and that I would have to as well. He knew that he was killing the trust we had developed and seemed to be ok with that. He stopped communicating and blamed me for that when really if your a guy and your out looking to sew your wild oats like he did when he was younger is communication going to be at the top of your priority list? Not agreeing or disagreeing with you just talking. I made the thread because I do want to talk to him and I am trying to not be another statistic as Mr.Firebird just recently posted (Haha I was waiting for that!) Having said all that, I agree that my situation is different from others and that I have to find that answer within. I'm just torn up between what I have always wanted and saw in us in the beginning and what the statistics seem to indicate.

I am at a loss here and I was really starting to enjoy the single life.
Isnt it true though that if he really Loved me he would find me and tell me?
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Posted by FixedWater
Yes, I understand what you're saying... My goal with this thread is "Do I even return his text" - I say that because I stated the 2nd last time I broke it off with him that if he wanted to talk, he knew where I lived. That texting wasn't cutting it for me anymore. So he is aware that if he really wanted to make amends doing it by text probably isn't the way to go. I get that I may be intimidating to him, and possibly he cannot risk rejection by coming here and seeing me face to face but isn't it their actions that count? Do I give him a pass here and find out what it is he has to say? He has been sitting for about 2 hours and I don't like doing this. Either I am going to respond in a respectful period of time or not at all.



Yeah, see even the wording you're using. What does he have to make amends for exactly? (not being snarky, genuine question. I don't know the details). I'm not sure hearing him out is "giving him a pass". It's opening a door to hear what he has to say, or at the very least knowing you made a good decision to end things.

Had he come to the door and approached this the way you wanted, then what? How do you know the text is not the opening line to an invite to talk face to face? At this moment, recognizing you are not in a relationship anymore, does it matter that he is reaching out through text, or is it more important to focus on what he has to say if given the opportunity to talk to you? Once he tells you what he has to say you decide to move forward in any way you like. If you say goodbye yet again because he's talking out of his ass, at least you gave him the opportunity to step up. If it's with him, then you watch to see if the actions match the words. But, note, simply talking to the man =/= letting him back in---unless....it does for you (refer back to my previous post/question about trusting yourself to make the right decision). I just think expecting his attempt to reach out to be packaged just so is.....well typical Scorp-like behaviour.

I think we can forget that Scorp men are freakin?? sensitive. That doesn't give them a pass to act like jerks or half ass their attempts when trying to work through an issue, however it speaks to what might be happening here. You recognize you may be intimidating and there is the fear of rejection on the table. So, if you know this, yet you would like this
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Posted by FixedWater
Pr, I talked to him when he was withdrawing.. I knew what he was doing and we discussed how he had gone into protective mode and that I would have to as well. He knew that he was killing the trust we had developed and seemed to be ok with that. He stopped communicating and blamed me for that when really if your a guy and your out looking to sew your wild oats like he did when he was younger is communication going to be at the top of your priority list? Not agreeing or disagreeing with you just talking. I made the thread because I do want to talk to him and I am trying to not be another statistic as Mr.Firebird just recently posted (Haha I was waiting for that!) Having said all that, I agree that my situation is different from others and that I have to find that answer within. I'm just torn up between what I have always wanted and saw in us in the beginning and what the statistics seem to indicate.

I am at a loss here and I was really starting to enjoy the single life.
Isnt it true though that if he really Loved me he would find me and tell me?



I'm such a criminal.
But HEY
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Posted by Andalusia
Between this:

Posted by FixedWater
The last few months, knowing where he was going was really hard to take. I didn't know how long, I didn't know how much damage he would do, but I knew I had to end it.

The first message I sent him ever, when he contacted me online was to say "I think you should go and play with all the other chickies and come back to me in 6 months"



And this:

Posted by FixedWater
I broke it off beginning of May cause he was being an asshole.
That's hardly gonna have changed in two months. This is just the typical "last chicky poo didn't work out so I'm checkin to see if I can snag you again" right?.



You completely lost me.

Sounds to me like you're trying your damnedest to convince yourself (and us) that this guy is an asshole. I'm just wondering - why? Is it because you don't want to like him?
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This was why I asked her to define "being an asshole", which she has yet to do.
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Posted by FixedWater
He stopped communicating and blamed me for that when really if your a guy and your out looking to sew your wild oats like he did when he was younger is communication going to be at the top of your priority list?



Okay, it sounds like you're still really hurt by how this played out. Sorry for that. I guess the only concern I have with what you wrote here is 1) you are making quite a few assumptions about what it means to be a man and how men think/are and 2) you're assuming his past behaviour was playing out in the present and acted on that. In fairness to you, if the man stop communicating, I can understand why you created your own answers--but recognize that is what you did.

If I am missing something (e.g. he told you he was dating others), then correct me. But it reads like what M&Ms posted. He got scared, then you got scared. He shut down, you pushed him out. Like I asked in my first post, is this really about him being an asshole or simply two Scorps getting in their own way?

Posted by FixedWater
I made the thread because I do want to talk to him and I am trying to not be another statistic as Mr.Firebird just recently posted (Haha I was waiting for that!) Having said all that, I agree that my situation is different from others and that I have to find that answer within. I'm just torn up between what I have always wanted and saw in us in the beginning and what the statistics seem to indicate.

I am at a loss here and I was really starting to enjoy the single life.
Isnt it true though that if he really Loved me he would find me and tell me?
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Well, perhaps you already answered the questioned I asked about trusting your ability to make a sound decision. Okay, so you become a stat? How would that happen unless you don't apply the lessons you learned the first time around? I find a lot of people interpret life lessons as "I must avoid, avoid avoid" vs. "pay attention".

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Why does talking to hear him out = I'll fall for him again and get burned again? Slow down. Talk (if you so choose) and process what was said. Wait. Watch. Ask those questions you didn't ask. Be more patient. Less controlling. Loss the unrealistic expectations. Issues arise address it. Not a stat.

or

Talk. Thank him for trying to smooth things out, but say "I'm gonna pass. Be well." and keep it moving.

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I was really starting to enjoy the single life.



You should have started with that 😉. Tread/
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Posted by LetltB
You teach men how to treat you. If he was an asshole a month ago, he's probably still an asshole. If you told him not to text you when he has his shit together but to come see you in person, why would you text him back?

If you do..then you are sending a message how he treated you was ok, and that you are a pushover.



I would agree if she had. I believe she is just saying that now to us. She set no boundaries, so he had nothing to follow.
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Not how I read it..maybe she was bullshitting then?

Posted by FixedWater
Yes, I understand what you're saying... My goal with this thread is "Do I even return his text" - I say that because I stated the 2nd last time I broke it off with him that if he wanted to talk, he knew where I lived. That texting wasn't cutting it for me anymore. So he is aware that if he really wanted to make amends doing it by text probably isn't the way to go. I get that I may be intimidating to him, and possibly he cannot risk rejection by coming here and seeing me face to face but isn't it their actions that count? Do I give him a pass here and find out what it is he has to say? He has been sitting for about 2 hours and I don't like doing this. Either I am going to respond in a respectful period of time or not at all.

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Pr does have great advice. Thankyou.
Now that I have had an hour long drive to sort through some stuff here is what I'm thinking...
I do feel pressure to respond, I always do, anytime I get a text from anyone. Consider me OCD there. I know he knows me, and will understand the why of my delay, so I will let go of the pressure.
Secondly, I opened up to this Man in a way I never have to anyone. Yes, it will always hurt and I have come to accept it and work it into who I am.
Thirdly, he reduced me to what I would consider a FWB relationship. One of the first major discussions we had was to do with specifically the type of relationship each was looking for. We had it literally in the palm of our hands. We would check with each other all the time and find we were balanced and feeling the same things. The moment we fell for each other is captured in a picture he took of us in the morning with my hair all mussed. It was the sweetest thing anyone has ever done the way he wrapped his arms around me and took that pic. Just after that, is when it started going downhill. He got scared and I saw he was. I tried to help by trying to talk, by explaining the way a scorp/scorp relationship could go, by giving him space. I was as gentle with his fear as I could be. I refuse to say I love him but I did love him unconditionaly and it was that love that needed to let him go. For him, you see, not for me. I wanted to keep him "for myself".

You are right, I do not have to be a statistic by returning his text. It is my choice and my responsibility to myself to recognize the bull if he's still in that place. I guess my biggest worry is if I will be able to choose myself over him in that case. It is very hard to hurt that man even if he has hurt me.

Lib, I already heard your message before you sent it. Lol
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Pr, I talked to him when he was withdrawing.. I knew what he was doing and we discussed how he had gone into protective mode and that I would have to as well. He knew that he was killing the trust we had developed and seemed to be ok with that. He stopped communicating and blamed me for that when really if your a guy and your out looking to sew your wild oats like he did when he was younger is communication going to be at the top of your priority list? Not agreeing or disagreeing with you just talking. I made the thread because I do want to talk to him and I am trying to not be another statistic as Mr.Firebird just recently posted (Haha I was waiting for that!) Having said all that, I agree that my situation is different from others and that I have to find that answer within. I'm just torn up between what I have always wanted and saw in us in the beginning and what the statistics seem to indicate.

I am at a loss here and I was really starting to enjoy the single life.
Isnt it true though that if he really Loved me he would find me and tell me?



I'm such a criminal.
But HEY



The tunes are so appropriate Mr.F ... keeping me grounded here. Lol
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Posted by starlover
**Thirdly, he reduced me to what I would consider a FWB relationship**.

Just keep reading this over and over and over again fixed

Is this what you really want??



No, that is precisely what I do not want and will not tolerate. He's a good looking man, owns a gym, is around all kinds of sexy fit women that would love to "do" him. I figure he can go play there and have his fun. He made his choice and decided that's what he wanted more than someone who challenged him. He took his risk right? I hope the women he had were worth it.
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I know, and that creeps me out too. It is literally like he went from a Real Man (or a fa?ade of one) to this weak individual that couldn't face his fears. On the other hand, I am pretty talented when it comes to reading people, I just don't trust my instincts. Ultimately, I would imagine how it makes sense that I would come here and discuss right? I don't trust my instincts.

Lib, I thankyou for giving me your softer side.

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I need to honor that Woman inside me. I know it's there, because cross my kids and you will see her. Cross my friends and you will see her... so she's there. Learning to Love myself has been a long road you know? I think I'm awesome with a great sense of haha that nobody gets but me. Lol That's ok, I still love me. This man could ruin all that I have worked for if I allow it.
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Impulsv, I hear you there and it's something I have considered. I do wonder if he has changed, and grown up. I not only wonder it, I have hoped for it to be honest. In all reality, don't we all when faced with this kind of situation?

Star, those cards are what I am inclined to believe but if I were to believe those, then I also need to put some pretty heavy weight on the spread I did the other day. That spread says basically, my One true Love is coming into my life and its "fated" because of the 4 major arcana's and in the end, it's pure bliss. That last card describes my dream life perfectly. Now I was prepared to leave the "who" out of it and not assume it was Scorp. Him texting me is making this very hard to do.

He has my necklace.
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I am gonna sit here with a glass of wine and chat and comment on other threads. While I do that I am going to waffle back and forth with indecision until something hits home.
He has texted he's an idiot...

I just wanted to take a minute and thank all of you for contributing. I am sitting here with a head full of both sides of the coin fresh in my mind and that helps so much.

🙂
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Just an update on what's happened so far.

After having taken into consideration the comments yesterday and given it a great deal of thought I decided to at least, hear him out.

He has called himself an idiot and said that I may not ever want to see him again but that he had to say he was sorry. He blamed work, and personal stresses but did eventually say what it really was... we went so fast and he got scared. He said since "I left him" he has been sick, and sad and everything has been really bad. He has said he knows our connection is very special and that he misses me very much.
I have said very little so far, which he noticed and has commented on. I said I was just listening...
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