Signs and need for intimacy, achievement, or power

This topic was created in the Scorpio forum by happykitsune on Monday, October 10, 2011 and has 21 replies.

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@happykitsune
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So we did this thing in my psych class today where we placed what importance intimacy, achievement, and power are to us and I thought about scorpios and how most of the male scorpios would probably have a need for power is their first.

So how about it?

Post your astrology sign, and place each of these with how they rank in your needs. I'll start..

Sag

1st Intimacy
2nd Power
3rd Achievement

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Posted by happykitsune
So we did this thing in my psych class today where we placed what importance intimacy, achievement, and power are to us and I thought about scorpios and how most of the male scorpios would probably have a need for power is their first.

So how about it?

Post your astrology sign, and place each of these with how they rank in your needs. I'll start..

Sag

1st Intimacy
2nd Power
3rd Achievement

That's a fascinating question.

1st Intimacy
2nd Power
3rd Achievement

Intimacy with the significant other, fuels/motivates and inspires/empowers me to achieve.
That said, togetherness is the stuff that makes a winner out of me.
But it isn't something that be catagorized like that because it comes full circle.
It is fluid in nature and not like unto a stone.

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Posted by DazedScorp
Self control = power of self

Prob not what you were looking for, but that was my way of looking at it.

I like the way you worded it. While power, by definition of my psych book isn't about self control, I do appreciate the spin you put on it because it holds a lot of truth. You do need to know yourself before you can be with another person.

At the same token what do you find you can't live without in your life? Most people would say they must have intimacy first because they need affection. This goes backs to the heirarchy of needs. You can have full control of yourself, but if you had to pick one of the three which would u pick to live with and you couldn't have the rest? That puts more of a pressure on the choice because most of us have that need to be connected with someone, even if we are introverts.

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Posted by DazedScorp
Okay...

Achievement
Intimacy
Power

Although I desire intimacy the most, there's no way I will ever have a nontoxic relationship if I haven't made it to a secure point in my life.

Even as an introvert, I need close friends around. Even if it's only work friends/co workers. But above all, I need to feel like I've done something in my life before I can be intimate.

that is because you have already said there's no way you will ever have a non-toxic relationship.
Why do you feel the need to have done something? I have already done so much and yet, it's all meaningless.
Why? Because they were acheivements I've only myself to cherish with. And if I have only myself
to cherish these things, then I am alone. And if... I have someone to cherish these things with me....
I cannot because they were not an acheivement important to them. They might say "oh, that's nice, dear"
that's about all they can say... there's your glory: "oh, that's nice, dear...." then proceed to talk about
blah, blah, while you throw your treasured trophy away.

Maybe you are not meant to be with anyone. Maybe you are meant to do great things like become an Ifakachukwu
Martyr for the Spotted Bu-Bu bird in the deeply secluded African village of Tongo-Wongo.

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Posted by MrFirebird

Posted by DazedScorp
Okay...

Achievement
Intimacy
Power

Although I desire intimacy the most, there's no way I will ever have a nontoxic relationship if I haven't made it to a secure point in my life.

Even as an introvert, I need close friends around. Even if it's only work friends/co workers. But above all, I need to feel like I've done something in my life before I can be intimate.

that is because you have already said there's no way you will ever have a non-toxic relationship.
Why do you feel the need to have done something? I have already done so much and yet, it's all meaningless.
Why? Because they were acheivements I've only myself to cherish with. And if I have only myself
to cherish these things, then I am alone. And if... I have someone to cherish these things with me....
I cannot because they were not an acheivement important to them. They might say "oh, that's nice, dear"
that's about all they can say... there's your glory: "oh, that's nice, dear...." then proceed to talk about
blah, blah, while you throw your treasured trophy away.

Maybe you are not meant to be with anyone. Maybe you are meant to do great things like become an Ifakachukwu
Martyr for the Spotted Bu-Bu bird in the deeply secluded African village of Tongo-Wongo.

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Before I forget, Don't worry, the natives don't kill you. The most beautiful priestess you've ever seen,
simply has you to lie down and strapped to an X shaped platform with your arms and legs spread and strips you
nude. While feathers tickle you, She then proceeds to perform oral sex on you while Djembe drums are beaten to a
Tribal chant known as a "Goombah", until you deliver your seed into her mouth. She walks over to the ceremonial
table where two river rocks, painted with happy faces are lain. She spits your seed onto the rocks and takes
each stone into each hand then stands before you and proceeds to crush your jewels. You MUST remember to laugh.
if you don't they cut your privates off for the insult. You return to your civilization a special celebrity.
Michael Jackson, it is said, visited Tongo-Wongo to experience this very ritual, first hand.

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Posted by DazedScorp
Scorp

It's not that I put more importance on any one of these. It's more that I find it important as to which one I accomplish first in life. I feel as if they are all equal in order to live a fullfilling, peaceful life.

1st Gaining control over yourself. There's no need to control others. If you can control yourself, you can take yourself anywhere in life that you desire. You can gain the skills you need to accomplish the goals you set. You can mature to the point where you can have a healthy relationship.

2nd Now that you have that self control, you can achieve what you set out to accompllish in your life, be it a great job in the field that you enjoy, having the material items you wish to have, and obtain that intimacy you ever so desire. Without the self control to keep yourself on track, you can't make it anywhere in life, unless you're that damn lucky. Without that selfcontrol, you will always take one step foward, and two steps back.

3rd Now that you have your life in order, you can find intimacy.

The thing is that if you focus too much on any one of these, you begin to lose focus on the other two.

I believe it's best to have equal importance in all three to maintain a balanced life.

Where people go wrong, is in trying to obtain intimacy before self control and achievement. How do you expect to have a healthy relationship, if you can't even understand yourself.

I think achievement and intimacy can flipped if that's what you want. But control comes first, self control.

You spoke my mind. On point.

1.WILLpower/self discipline
2.Achievement
3.Intimacy

I need the first two before I can feel secure in a relationship. Maybe it's just my sun in the 10th house or my chart being dominated by cap but I think this is how it is for males typically.

For balanced life and personal growth I believe harmony between four things are required. (No order)

1.Health
2.Spirituality
3.Relationships
4.Career

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Posted by hiplove79

Posted by MrFirebird

Posted by happykitsune
So we did this thing in my psych class today where we placed what importance intimacy, achievement, and power are to us and I thought about scorpios and how most of the male scorpios would probably have a need for power is their first.

So how about it?

Post your astrology sign, and place each of these with how they rank in your needs. I'll start..

Sag

1st Intimacy
2nd Power
3rd Achievement

That's a fascinating question.

1st Intimacy
2nd Power
3rd Achievement

Intimacy with the significant other, fuels/motivates and inspires/empowers me to achieve.
That said, togetherness is the stuff that makes a winner out of me.
But it isn't something that be catagorized like that because it comes full circle.
It is fluid in nature and not like unto a stone.

Beautiful answer.

I couldn't figure out which order to put mine, but reading your answer, I think fits me perfectly. I've experienced power and achievement. But what the fuck good is it if you don't have someone to share it with? I kinda suck when single. Just living and going through the motions. When I have someone in my life, the sky is bluer, the sun is brighter and the rain is, uh..wetter. Same for me when I have someone who is dear to my heart, in that it pushes me to be a better person in all aspects. It forces to me look in all areas of my life and find where I need to improve. And they give me the motivation I need to exceed my goals in ways I never thought possible.

My order:
1st Intimacy
2nd Achievement
3rd Power

Leo Sun/Scorp Moon

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Love is like the Tango:
It takes two to Tango.
When both work at it, it's a beautiful dance.

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Posted by DazedScorp

Posted by MrFirebird

that is because you have already said there's no way you will ever have a non-toxic relationship.
Why do you feel the need to have done something? I have already done so much and yet, it's all meaningless.
Why? Because they were acheivements I've only myself to cherish with. And if I have only myself
to cherish these things, then I am alone. And if... I have someone to cherish these things with me....
I cannot because they were not an acheivement important to them. They might say "oh, that's nice, dear"
that's about all they can say... there's your glory: "oh, that's nice, dear...." then proceed to talk about
blah, blah, while you throw your treasured trophy away.

Maybe you are not meant to be with anyone. Maybe you are meant to do great things like become an Ifakachukwu
Martyr for the Spotted Bu-Bu bird in the deeply secluded African village of Tongo-Wongo.

Did you even read my first post?

Have you ever heard the saying, "You can't love someone else, until you love yourself first."?

I've tried having a relationship while trying to achieve the things I want in life, but relationships are stressful. I can't maintain a healthy relationship while trying to further myself.

I put equal importance on all three. You must have a balance in all aspects of your life in order to maintain happy living.

You may have intimacy, but you may have a shitty job that you hate. The more you hate your job, the more stress it will put on your relationship.

Get it?

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Oh... I get it. Most certainly.
However, I am a man who possibly has already lived half his lifetime.
Think about that for a moment.
I have driven over a million miles or about 40 times around the world,
I have seen a lot places and a lot of faces.
I've seen jobs come and go. I've seen triumphs celebrated and forgotten.
wealth accumulated and lost.
All of it, means nothing without that special woman.
Nevertheless, I sailed across the uncharted course of my life as explorers
charted the seas, the years have wash away and the wind shall blow
away what's left of me.
Vanity of vanities, it's all vanity.

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Right this is/was mine (Libra)

1st Intimacy
2nd Achievement
3rd Power

Well it's my mistake. Achievement shoul be first and intimacy second.
Those who put intimacy first always are doofuses who never get anything done IRL 😛.

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Putting achievement first doesn't make sense. A powerless achiever is an oxymoron. You can't achieve anything without an exertion of personal power. If you want to achieve something, you have to prioritize power as your number 1. Power is not evil. How you use that power and your intentions are what makes it good or bad. I'm tired of people putting negative connotations on the word 'power'.

pow??er— —[pou-er] Show IPA
noun
1.ability to do or act; capability of doing or accomplishing something.