The desperation is just sad now.

http://thoughtcatalog.com/quinn-denio/2014/03/17-signs-youre-a-scorpio-even-if-you-werent-born-one/

I have a question, Scorpions.

Why is that quite a large number of people have so little self-esteem, that they could go THIS far to be something they simply aren't and weren't meant to be.

What is it that just stop people from embodying the traits they love/obsess over so much a sign/group of people? Why can't they just simply get a PhD in prostitution, get over their body image issues and intimacy issues, and learn how to channel sexual energy if they HONESTLY admire the sexual aura so damn much?

Learn how to read lips, body language. Learn to to be more perceptive in social situations...they act as if you all have a monopoly over mystery and sex appeal. I mean do they miss the part that since Scorpios in general are usually like the traits listed above, that they're normally not like the other 11 signs?

You're forgetting that - everybody has Scorpio in their chart, and then - there's also Pluto.

Someone who has Scorpio Sun in 6'th house, where the Sun is the only planet in Scorpio - while Pluto is poorly aspected (no major aspects with the Sun and the other personal planets or just one), might come of less Scorpionic than a Virgo with the Sun in 8'th house and some major aspects with the other personal planets - including the ASC.

Posted by neves
You're forgetting that - everybody has Scorpio in their chart, and then - there's also Pluto.

Someone who has Scorpio Sun in 6'th house, where the Sun is the only planet in Scorpio - while Pluto is poorly aspected (no major aspects with the Sun and the other personal planets or just one), might come of less Scorpionic than a Virgo with the Sun in 8'th house and some major aspects with the other personal planets - including the ASC.

True, though even WITH my Pluto aspects and Scorpio 8th house, I don't WANT to be anything else BUT myself. Your sign is great and Phoniex level Scorpios are majestic, but seriously, I don't get the whole thing of obsessing over traits you could invest in attaining yourself.

Then again I'm Saturian, so while hardwork doesn't turn me away, it terrifies others apparently. 😐

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Posted by neves
You're forgetting that - everybody has Scorpio in their chart, and then - there's also Pluto.

Someone who has Scorpio Sun in 6'th house, where the Sun is the only planet in Scorpio - while Pluto is poorly aspected (no major aspects with the Sun and the other personal planets or just one), might come of less Scorpionic than a Virgo with the Sun in 8'th house and some major aspects with the other personal planets - including the ASC.

True, though even WITH my Pluto aspects and Scorpio 8th house, I don't WANT to be anything else BUT myself. Your sign is great and Phoniex level Scorpios are majestic, but seriously, I don't get the whole thing of obsessing over traits you could invest in attaining yourself.

Then again I'm Saturian, so while hardwork doesn't turn me away, it terrifies others apparently. 😐

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I get what you're saying (be truthful to yourself), but you're missing the point. You added this link:

http://thoughtcatalog.com/quinn-denio/2014/03/17-signs-youre-a-scorpio-even-if-you-werent-born-one/

That list is suppose to embody Scorpionic traits, which might be true - but same goes Plutonian traits. As mentioned above - there's people from others signs who have Pluto aspecting their personal planets (major aspects that is - even channeling ones - if not especially) - who might strongly relate with 15 out of 17 of those traits. That's who they are - despite of having their Sun in a different sign. A Sun which has its share of influence - but those other traits could be undeniable.

Also... that's not something one would embody willingly (the dreadful and dark nature of Pluto), cause to a large extent - that's a heavy burden (a curse - if you will). Might sound majestic if you put it like that (or if you focus on physical intimacy and the way it's depicted through stereotypes) - but the overall experience... can be like a walk through Hell (quite literally).

Take Ville Valo for example:



Based on your theory, as a Sag with 4 personal planets in Sagittarius (Sun, Moon, Mercury and Mars), his songs should reflect - a happy go lucky approach to life (highly optimistic - as depicted by most stereotypes). He has only the ASC in Scorpio, but since Pluto is aspecting 3 personal planets + the MC - and it's also the ruling planet of his chart, as in:

Moon Sextile Pluto - in touch with his emotional nature

Mercury Sextile Pluto - in touch with his mind

Venus Square Pluto - in touch with his sense of love

MC Conjunct Pluto - in touch with his public image

This is what he really sounds like:





That's a part of his actual nature, he's not posing as a Scorpio.