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I'm sure I'll just get bashed for posting this... But I thought I'd just update and say that I've thought a lot about all the comments on the posts I've started.

I'm giving my bull until Christmas to show me what he's been telling me. (Actions to equal his words) and if things don't improve I'm out.

I'm sure some of you will say that I'm trying to control him, or that if I have to ask then is it sincere anyway. I've thought about both of those, but I still see enough good in our relationship to give him one more chance. Honestly I'm thinking things probably won't change but I still stand by the fact that I'm being upfront with what I want and need.

Mostly he's just been pretty self absorbed (his words last night). I'm very selfless(but it tends to get me taken advantage of).


Thoughts?
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Posted by MissAquarious
I'm sure I'll just get bashed for posting this... But I thought I'd just update and say that I've thought a lot about all the comments on the posts I've started.

I'm giving my bull until Christmas to show me what he's been telling me. (Actions to equal his words) and if things don't improve I'm out.

I'm sure some of you will say that I'm trying to control him, or that if I have to ask then is it sincere anyway. I've thought about both of those, but I still see enough good in our relationship to give him one more chance. Honestly I'm thinking things probably won't change but I still stand by the fact that I'm being upfront with what I want and need.

Mostly he's just been pretty self absorbed (his words last night). I'm very selfless(but it tends to get me taken advantage of).


Thoughts?
Leave him for good. He must be a big boy. Keep in touch but dont invest too much emotion. Don't work for dept. If he feels like so, he'll come to you if you're still free.
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@busyeyes- this has nothing to do with the fact the we've BOTH gained about 20 lbs since we've been dating. And with like 5 weeks until Christmas I'm not worried about him finding someone else or having a "back up plan". I'm not trying to do this as a power play. I'm unhappy enough that I should probably leave but I love him and my son loves him. I'm really hoping he decides to make changes because he realizes what he can do to be an equal partner.

@vixen- honestly one of the main problems is that he hadn't been leading. He's been following along with me... Letting me do all the date planning, the bill paying, the house cleaning... I want him to take the lead. Or at least meet me 50/50

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The truth is... Soon after we met he went back to school full time so he wasn't working. We were living together and he kept saying he'd get a part time job but never did. I remained patient while he focused on his school work and I supported him financially. Then he got a commission based job after graduation. He worked there for 5 months and didn't make a penny. I continued to support him.

Two months ago I couldn't do it anymore. I broke up with him, but then regretted it and we got back together the next day but started couples therapy. He moved in with his mom.

We've been to therapy every other week for 2 months. he hasn't worked on anything, but I've been making progress.

Last week he quit his job (which I support since he wasn't making any money) but now I feel even more pressure financially. I'm a single mom. When I made my work schedule for this school year it was under the impression and his promise that he would be contributing. Today I start my first day at my 4th job. Yes, 4th.

I'm exhausted and stressed, but my self esteem is rising and I know although he told me (and my son that he'd marry me) that I'll be ok without him. It's just hard to let go because I've had so much hope
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I have 3 Taurus family members...one thing about them is that are not ones to be led...they do the leading. Mine do not do ultimatums and when they made to do something they don't want to that's when they dug their feet in and the stubbornness comes out...regardless sometimes whether they are wrong or right...Sometimes to prove a point. And that's not necessarily bad. They are wildly independant people.
+++1 to THISSS... ... Miss Aquarian's Taurean mate will do JUST fine with or without her. At this point she might as well be talking to a brick wall.

...and...

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Ultimatums don't work. Never give people an ultimatum!! It's just ideal threats which most men, especially a smart bull, will not tolerate. Especially on a bull. The only thing you have done is to make the bull aware of your "impending plans"! Now he will be on his guard and looking for a "backup plan" ie your replacement or to dump you before you dump him. Bulls are not "actionary " but "reactionary" and every "action" has a "reaction"!
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+++1 to THISSS too!!

Its funny, When anyone tries to force me or rush me to go anywhere, I undress and stay home, or slow down intentionally to piss you off. Its irritating to have someone "helicopter" over me.

Aquarian lady... you got your work cut out for you.. haha...good luck
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Posted by MissAquarious
The truth is... Soon after we met he went back to school full time so he wasn't working. We were living together and he kept saying he'd get a part time job but never did. I remained patient while he focused on his school work and I supported him financially. Then he got a commission based job after graduation. He worked there for 5 months and didn't make a penny. I continued to support him.

Two months ago I couldn't do it anymore. I broke up with him, but then regretted it and we got back together the next day but started couples therapy. He moved in with his mom.

We've been to therapy every other week for 2 months. he hasn't worked on anything, but I've been making progress.

Last week he quit his job (which I support since he wasn't making any money) but now I feel even more pressure financially. I'm a single mom. When I made my work schedule for this school year it was under the impression and his promise that he would be contributing. Today I start my first day at my 4th job. Yes, 4th.

I'm exhausted and stressed, but my self esteem is rising and I know although he told me (and my son that he'd marry me) that I'll be ok without him. It's just hard to let go because I've had so much hope
Fly Robin fly... up-up to the sky!! You'll do fine without him hun.... people moving into my home HAVE to contribute to the household.. his MOM moving into your home? Where are the boundaries?? Where are the lines?? I couldn't do it.. lol

Break free for yourself. Make those moves quick before Neptune and Saturn come close and make you doubt your own self.
Everything that doesn't serve you must fall away.
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Posted by busyeyes88
Ultimatums don't work. Never give people an ultimatum!! It's just ideal threats which most men, especially a smart bull, will not tolerate. Especially on a bull. The only thing you have done is to make the bull aware of your "impending plans"! Now he will be on his guard and looking for a "backup plan" ie your replacement or to dump you before you dump him. Bulls are not "actionary " but "reactionary" and every "action" has a "reaction"!
um that sounds like any sign (controlling and abusive) who is unhealthy and toxic. and tries hard to keep you, by using abuse and threats. I've had that happen to me in the past.

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Oh the trying to compromise and adapt is one thing, changing someone is different. So you make more than him, why aren't you doing the 50/50 thing?

I thought Taurus people take care of family maybe it's his 7th house..
taureans can mooch but idk what sign makes them this way coz i've seen the same bull mooch of someone else and then completely give everything to others beyond reason.
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hm sounds like the bull that spoils a certain individual really really LOVES that person/indiviidual and the one who takes/mooches off the other individual doesn't give a shit about them. lol

anyway, that's terrible. it's like they are just using that person and figure, well they keep coming around and i hate them so i'm gonna abuse them. Still not good.lol
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anyway could be any sign doing that too. lol

i saw taurusBelle's comment on the mother moving in. well, if you can't get along with his mother......
Unfortunately for many tauruses, we end up with more "dependents" than we would like!!!

I know a few male bulls and one of them had both his parents move into his home probably about 10 years ago due to ill health. His father died about 6 years ago and his mother has been a part of his life ever since and will always be their until death. So sorry OP the mother is part of his package. But HE has to provide a roof over his mother's head.. Not you!!!
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hm that did happen to my taurus grandpa. lol

my own grandmother had a hard time with her, because great grandma didnt like her. Omg.

but it was a big house, so they could avoid eachother...still....

it was hard, because at dinner time they all had to eat together at the big dining table.
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Posted by MissAquarious
The truth is... Soon after we met he went back to school full time so he wasn't working. We were living together and he kept saying he'd get a part time job but never did. I remained patient while he focused on his school work and I supported him financially. Then he got a commission based job after graduation. He worked there for 5 months and didn't make a penny. I continued to support him.

Two months ago I couldn't do it anymore. I broke up with him, but then regretted it and we got back together the next day but started couples therapy. He moved in with his mom.

We've been to therapy every other week for 2 months. he hasn't worked on anything, but I've been making progress.

Last week he quit his job (which I support since he wasn't making any money) but now I feel even more pressure financially. I'm a single mom. When I made my work schedule for this school year it was under the impression and his promise that he would be contributing. Today I start my first day at my 4th job. Yes, 4th.

I'm exhausted and stressed, but my self esteem is rising and I know although he told me (and my son that he'd marry me) that I'll be ok without him. It's just hard to let go because I've had so much hope
well girl it's all up to you from here on out. 😄 😄 😄

if you love him you can do it. If it's not enough, well, there is the door.
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You are putting up with too much..

I wish I could help you about that but im kind of in the same situation... i waited on him to fix things and he only got more stubborn about it.. i told him hescpushing me away... a month passed and no progress... im in the mindset of breaking up with him, but he suddenly.got sick n once he recovers i will do it. The funny thing is.. im the taurus .. hes a leo, but pretty much acts like his aqua moon n virgo placements

good luck.. and if you make a decision theres no turning back this time.. i never returned to an ex.. n maybe that is way i had to stay with my bf evrn while the last 3 months were not really good... i stayed for hope, but hope aint enough anymore
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Ultimatums aren't as bad imo as everyone else thinks. If motivated properly, they're quite helpful in relationships. People just often dress them up in more digestible titles like 'line in the sand' 'steps I need to take for myself' and other variations.

They get the job done though. Like when an important work deadline gets moved up and it's make or break as to whether you have the desire and dedication to make it work.
some view it as control ... but since things were going bad for long enough .. someone has got to make the call ... and if the partner truly carea for and loves the person, they got to dive in and make things right instead of thinking to do it "by their own time" ... you got to put others first sometimes.. specially if you know you hurt them
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i think the problem with ultimatums is that it focuses on the wrong motivation to cause change. instead of frightening someone to change, you should try to inspire them. the decision changes from one being caused from an external force to an internal force. decisions made internally are the ones more likely to last. ultimatums mainly only work in the short term.

op, i hope this works for you.
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People who really care about their relationships do not give ultimatums. They try and fix the issues or simply walk away!! We are all individuals and should not be controlled. My ex Aquarius tried to control me in an abusive manner.. I was young. I worked temporarily with a lot of fights and resistance. I eventually called time and finally sey myself free from his chains!!!
You're really stuck on your Aquarius ex aren't you? I mean Scorpio has caused me pain as well but I don't hate him not do I view him in the same note.

This Aqua man broke you and it bothers you to admit that. When one fixed sign actually controls another fixed.
I am not stuck on my ex. This was over 20 ago I was a young person in my early 20s and in love. Yes! I passively laid back whilst he tried to take control but I was not going down without a fight. So I hung up the boxing cloves and walked aged 30!! He didn't "break" anything thing. Do I'm not sure what you are getting at!!! But I have a strong personality and will remain strong till my life ends!!

A lot of fixed signs to a degree try to control others. If one sign is mutable it stands a certain chance of compromise but with two fixed signs it's going to be a battle that no one will win. Eventually someone has to call "time"!

But after my experiences I have found a good man. Who was with me from day one and he is a taurus. It takes time to get a taurus and it is worthwhile in the end. They are good men, but you have to.set the boundaries from day ONE or its game over and that is with regards to any man regardless of sign!!
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time and time again i see that if fixed signs get together, there has to be a strong mutability in the charts of one person or the other. (or both) but at least one of them has the energy to move. lol

even if they're cardinal/mutable dominant since cardinal is good for getting things done.
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People who really care about their relationships do not give ultimatums. They try and fix the issues or simply walk away!! We are all individuals and should not be controlled. My ex Aquarius tried to control me in an abusive manner.. I was young. I worked temporarily with a lot of fights and resistance. I eventually called time and finally sey myself free from his chains!!!
You're really stuck on your Aquarius ex aren't you? I mean Scorpio has caused me pain as well but I don't hate him not do I view him in the same note.

This Aqua man broke you and it bothers you to admit that. When one fixed sign actually controls another fixed.
I am not stuck on my ex. This was over 20 ago I was a young person in my early 20s and in love. Yes! I passively laid back whilst he tried to take control but I was not going down without a fight. So I hung up the boxing cloves and walked aged 30!! He didn't "break" anything thing. Do I'm not sure what you are getting at!!! But I have a strong personality and will remain strong till my life ends!!

A lot of fixed signs to a degree try to control others. If one sign is mutable it stands a certain chance of compromise but with two fixed signs it's going to be a battle that no one will win. Eventually someone has to call "time"!

But after my experiences I have found a good man. Who was with me from day one and he is a taurus. It takes time to get a taurus and it is worthwhile in the end. They are good men, but you have to.set the boundaries from day ONE or its game over and that is with regards to any man regardless of sign!!
time and time again i see that if fixed signs get together, there has to be a strong mutability in the charts of one person or the other. (or both) but at least one of them has the energy to move. lol

even if they're cardinal/mutable dominant since cardinal is good for getting things done.
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My ex gem was a mutable and he tried controlling tactics but in a less obvious way. He had a way of saying things which made you feel like you were doing something for yourself instead of something which only benefited him!! But I was just as smart as him if not smarter. Called him out on his selfish bs and when I had no more use for him I dumped him! So I think again the fire and air signs underestimate and try to control the earth signs thinki
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jeeez girl.....you dumped him. and you're dominant fire yourself. -_- you didnt really love him, because you both are sneaky and suspicious and playing games.

um, lol back up plan??

then one foot is ALWAYS out the door. your SO could feel that, and you both mirror eachother subconsicously.
I dumped him when I could not longer take his crap!! He was darn lazy!!

To be honest I was born a Chinese horse and I am 66 fire horse and yes with anything and everything I am the "green Man" that you see in the UK traffic lights. I have always been this way... But it does not mean that I do not value the people I have relationships with!! Even after I dumped him 8 months later he still wanted to come back!! So I couldn't have been that!! He was spoilt rotten and bit the hand that fed him! They all do in the end.. Which is why I am trying to get the OP to not set a precedent for the failure of her relationship.
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i dont like lazy men either. i expect my man to lead.
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> time and time again i see that if fixed signs get together, there has to be a strong mutability in the charts of one person or the other. (or both) but at least one of them has the energy to move. lol

even if they're cardinal/mutable dominant since cardinal is good for getting things done.
I'm totally jacking this thread for a moment here.

I'm interested in your thoughts on me and my scorp then. We're both fixed dominant, me a little more than him. On pullen I'm 36-51-13 Cardinal-Fixed-Mutable, he's 23-43-34.

Though if you look at just big three,
Me
Sag Rising
Scorp Sun in 11th
Cancer Moon in 7th

Him
Aqua Rising
Scorp Sun in 9th
Libra Moon in 8th
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yeah but i have learned over time, that cardinal is an energy that is important, it's the energy that must MOVE.

at the beginning, i thought of the basics.

fixed stays fixed, so it looks like both you have cardinal moons, (both energies are go-getters, on the move) and i bet you both have mutable houses.
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jeeez girl.....you dumped him. and you're dominant fire yourself. -_- you didnt really love him, because you both are sneaky and suspicious and playing games.

um, lol back up plan??

then one foot is ALWAYS out the door. your SO could feel that, and you both mirror eachother subconsicously.
I dumped him when I could not longer take his crap!! He was darn lazy!!

To be honest I was born a Chinese horse and I am 66 fire horse and yes with anything and everything I am the "green Man" that you see in the UK traffic lights. I have always been this way... But it does not mean that I do not value the people I have relationships with!! Even after I dumped him 8 months later he still wanted to come back!! So I couldn't have been that!! He was spoilt rotten and bit the hand that fed him! They all do in the end.. Which is why I am trying to get the OP to not set a precedent for the failure of her relationship.
i dont like lazy men either. i expect my man to lead.
This taurus leads and I am happy and confident in him to let him!!! 😄 I can take on a "lead" role but not permanently and long term. The man has got to be man and lead or I will dump and find a man who can...

The OP is "leading" and making ultimatums and that will not work in the long run!
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😄 i'm glad you're happy with your taurus man.

there are no game playing and sneaky shit going on. lol

hm are there taurus men who like the women to lead?? i only know the few in my life and they dont like being told what to do.....unless it's their mothers. lol, I dont agree with the ultimatums though. You cant make a man do anything he dont want.
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i would never enter a relationship with a man who had a back up plan. he should be with me through the thick and thin, till death do us part.

it doesn't feel good if your SO has no trust.
Dont worry! My ex gem looked after himself. One of the most selfish people you could ever meet! He had s scorp moon... But I do love gems but not as.long term and taurus prefers long term.. Better off as friends.

I have time for gems but not libra or aqua!! Just my take on things!
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😄 that's fine. heehee. we all have our biases.

we like what we like.
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Posted by MissAquarious
The truth is... Soon after we met he went back to school full time so he wasn't working. We were living together and he kept saying he'd get a part time job but never did. I remained patient while he focused on his school work and I supported him financially. Then he got a commission based job after graduation. He worked there for 5 months and didn't make a penny. I continued to support him.

Two months ago I couldn't do it anymore. I broke up with him, but then regretted it and we got back together the next day but started couples therapy. He moved in with his mom.

We've been to therapy every other week for 2 months. he hasn't worked on anything, but I've been making progress.

Last week he quit his job (which I support since he wasn't making any money) but now I feel even more pressure financially. I'm a single mom. When I made my work schedule for this school year it was under the impression and his promise that he would be contributing. Today I start my first day at my 4th job. Yes, 4th.

I'm exhausted and stressed, but my self esteem is rising and I know although he told me (and my son that he'd marry me) that I'll be ok without him. It's just hard to let go because I've had so much hope
Please dump. He isn't trustworthy. He will never be the man that will go out of his way to look after you and help you look after your child. What kind of example is he setting to your child? You can do much better.
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I have merc and mars in mutable houses, 12th/6th. He has sun/venus/pluto in 9th. Not that we don't have our moments, but we're both surprisingly not stubborn with each other as a whole. We've never really imposed on each other, with exception of the ultimatums I referenced earlier. And like I said, those were both justified on each side.

Fixed/Fixed has no hope once one person believe that protecting themselves is the highest importance. Both will dip and not take initiative, most likely without informing the other lol.

Another reason why I kinda see the use of ultimatums. Sometimes I'm too thickheaded to not truly understand the struggles of my partner until they put my hand to the fire, and thats with having a very intuitive and perceptive nature. Ego can cloud me and I'm thankful I was given the opportunity to correct myself. Not that I could blame someone if they got fed up and walked no notice, but damn if my devotion isn't about six levels deeper to you when you give me a shot to be better.
all i know is...

you can't make a man do anything he dont want. Yeeeuughhh. lol

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People who really care about their relationships do not give ultimatums. They try and fix the issues or simply walk away!! We are all individuals and should not be controlled. My ex Aquarius tried to control me in an abusive manner.. I was young. I worked temporarily with a lot of fights and resistance. I eventually called time and finally sey myself free from his chains!!!
You're really stuck on your Aquarius ex aren't you? I mean Scorpio has caused me pain as well but I don't hate him not do I view him in the same note.

This Aqua man broke you and it bothers you to admit that. When one fixed sign actually controls another fixed.
I am not stuck on my ex. This was over 20 ago I was a young person in my early 20s and in love. Yes! I passively laid back whilst he tried to take control but I was not going down without a fight. So I hung up the boxing cloves and walked aged 30!! He didn't "break" anything thing. Do I'm not sure what you are getting at!!! But I have a strong personality and will remain strong till my life ends!!

A lot of fixed signs to a degree try to control others. If one sign is mutable it stands a certain chance of compromise but with two fixed signs it's going to be a battle that no one will win. Eventually someone has to call "time"!

But after my experiences I have found a good man. Who was with me from day one and he is a taurus. It takes time to get a taurus and it is worthwhile in the end. They are good men, but you have to.set the boundaries from day ONE or its game over and that is with regards to any man regardless of sign!!
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Absolutely right, boundaries are key!

I call it setting expectations. If you do this from the beginning everyone is happier all around. Or if they don't like it, they walk. Simple.
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Miss Aqua, the thing is, you are not going to follow thru with your ultimatium if he doesnt change....

Ultimatums work only, if you really stick to them and then leave...... but you will not do it anyway....

you told him a while ago, that you are going to spend your sundays with your own plans........ did you do it consistently? or at all?

I told you to try to change yourself and give the change a time, like 6 months or so.....

you want to change him, but you don´t want to change yourself.....

he knows, that you are not going to follow throu with your ultimatum, just as you didnt follow thru with your "Sundays will be my time alone without you"
he can see that you are not consistent with your words and your actions....... you say one thing and do another (or do nothing)
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@pandora- I think I will actually follow through... At least partially. I think I would tell him that I need space... Time apart. Not actually end the relationship but kind of. It sounds stupid but for once I want him to actually take some action. Either treat me right or end it.

So many of you are saying Bulls like to take the lead. Not my bull. He's Ferdinand all the way! Is happy to laze around, smelling the flowers. I think my fixed sign is getting even stronger. Kinda digging in my heals.

Although I haven't been spending my Sundays to myself every week, I have been doing things with friends on nights we'd normally hang out. He's getting more curious as to who I'm talking to, what I'm doing. I've never seen him jealous before. Maybe this is good so he thinks about the fact that we're not married. I'm not permanently his yet. BUT that said... I would never ever cheat on him.

I already feel like I'm stronger than I was just a few months ago (before therapy). I know if this doesn't work out I'll be ok.

Also... It was our couples therapist that told me a few months ago to give him a deadline. She even said it in front of him. Honestly I would not typically do that.. I usually just walk away after things really turn to shit and never look back