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I don't see how that follows. I see a whole person, capable of so much, reducing themselves to one thing...a body.

What’s wrong with this? If a person is happy, or even proud, to be reduced to what their body can do for people, why does it effect you? And for the record, they aren’t just reduced to their body; clients enjoy personality too.

My worst nightmare is to be reduced to a body.

Its interesting how back in the days it was a mean to survive and nowadays its like a potential sideline for some people ... By the way from what I've seen on YouTube ( people literally bragging about the money they're making on OF & Inviting viewers to join... Referral commissions $ $ $ ) men & couples are also joining of & making....content.

At first I thought it was positive, that things were moving toward a more equal and less Puritanical society where people could get their sexual needs met, but it's turning into something else entirely, the marriage of fame and money to sex. Everyone expects to be famous, and they're willing to do anything to get it.

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Yeah... I can see a lot of people joining for various reasons but especially younger people because of how easy these online personalities are making it look.

I'll try to find the YouTube video of this young woman who joined only to do partial nudity / posting sexy pictures and she was amazed that she made 200 $ in less than a month.

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The bottom line for me is if you really value people outside of seeing them as commodities, then this whole thing is a non issue.

This is such a strange idea to me, and one that I try to understand. I don't like prostitution because it makes people into commodities.

only if you see the act of sex as constitutive of the whole person....

I don't see how that follows. I see a whole person, capable of so much, reducing themselves to one thing...a body.

My girlfriend has an only fans. She’s extremely open with her sexuality. She posts nudes for free on her naughty twitter as well. She can just post more extreme ones in only fans. Imo I’d you’re that jealous or think you own the pussy you need to be checked.

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My girlfriend has a boyfriend as well. Your limited old fashioned views of sexuality don’t matter to me my dude

if you like being cucked cool that's your thing lol. just get a pregnancy test ok when she gets pregnant.

can you even cuck a woman? 0.o

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oh your women should have said so. Oh you in that real freaky shit lucky guy carry on.

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i will say the majority of what little i saw in the online sex biz is ugly. so many get into it not prepared to treat it like work, and get even more run down because they take the comments and shitty attitude of the worst clients to heart.

i think the people who really do have the mental strength to detach and enjoy a personal life and a professional one are probably like the top 30% at most. maybe even less. maybe only the top 10% . but i wasn’t behind the curtain long enough to know.

but yeah probably 70-90% of it is nothing but sex trafficking and huge turnover of people getting chewed up and spit out the other end of the meat grinder.

again though i’m working to be a full time illustrator and i could say the exact same thing in that line of work.

I feel like human trafficking is really what brings bad press to all of it.

As I said the other night in Zoom, it’s definitely a full time job which is why I never committed to camming; I’m not a fan of technology being the barrier between human interactions, so I feel the boredom from doing that all day every day would drag me down. If other people enjoy doing it or watching it, more power to them. But I don’t have the energy to constantly pretend to be happy with the lack of personal interaction.

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I don't see how that follows. I see a whole person, capable of so much, reducing themselves to one thing...a body.

What’s wrong with this? If a person is happy, or even proud, to be reduced to what their body can do for people, why does it effect you? And for the record, they aren’t just reduced to their body; clients enjoy personality too.

exactly...how about just the feeling of companionship, or of spending time with a beautiful woman, experiencing their acceptance....I'm 100% sure that there are clients who don't even ask for sex....I think I read recently that there are services where people pay for cuddling lol...

That is not sad to you, that society would turn to paying for that instead of building better free bonds?

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Prostitution has always been a part of society, so no, it isn't sad to me in general. An individual case of it might be sad, all factors considered, but this board is littered with sad cases of the "normal"/free usage of sex for bonding purposes daily....

I think there's a lot of beauty (even beyond the physical) in prostitution and pornography. The first thing that comes to mind is that it gives people greater access to one of the greatest pleasures on earth, and often from an aesthetic perspective, at a level they might not normally be able to experience it. Sex is an innate desire but we also grow up bombarded with sexual imagery, and the subjects used are often far beyond what the average person has access to. Not everyone is attractive by even common standards, not everyone is even capable of sexual performance for physical reasons. Pornography democratizes access to some of the most physically attractive people in the world, in a virtual sense. Prostitution has the ability to do that it in a literal sense. Put aside all the layers of corruption whatever current form the distribution takes, and I don't see how that can even possibly be a bad thing inherently.

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Posted by WhorpioWhat’s wrong with this? If a person is happy, or even proud, to be reduced to what their body can do for people, why does it effect you? And for the record, they aren’t just reduced to their body; clients enjoy personality too.

The only pornstar's personality I've enjoyed to date is Mia Khalifa. I follow her on ig with no porn context.

Most pornstars (while in performance) have the personality of the cut cucumber left on the counter for too many days. You're truly romanticizing this plight.

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I deviated from the topic and was moreso referring to prostitutes lol

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The bottom line for me is if you really value people outside of seeing them as commodities, then this whole thing is a non issue.

This is such a strange idea to me, and one that I try to understand. I don't like prostitution because it makes people into commodities.

only if you see the act of sex as constitutive of the whole person....

I don't see how that follows. I see a whole person, capable of so much, reducing themselves to one thing...a body.

do I reduce myself to a body when I offer my services as a masseuse, a surgeon, a chef, etc.? All human activity is embodied activity. I'm not sure why sexuality as a service "reduces" one's personhood *to* that service any more than these others.

I guess because sex is sacred to me.

and that's really what it comes down to, personal views around sex....and I don't think there's anything wrong with that at all....I share that view. But you can have a view of sex as sacred, and be as liberal with it as you like. Depending on how you define sacredness, its not necessarily antithetical to prostitution. The two concepts are actually combined particularly in the ancient world, but also in the modern, in pagan religions.

on some level, no matter your view, I still think its problematic to argue that sex as a service reduces a person to just a body, in any way....

I would probably feel differently about it if I had grown up in a society that made sex sacred, but I didn't. And we don't live in that society. We live in a society where dudes create threads about who is from the streets.

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sex is as sacred as you want it to be, and these days no matter what your take on it is, there are subcultures within society where you can find a group that probably share your values around sex. Whorpio has been discussing her interest in LaVeyan Satanism lately which I think provides a good example of a subculture that embraces a sacred form of sex, that isn't exclusive/possessive.

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Anyway, I'm really sorry if I have offended anyone, especially @Whorpio. You've been consistently sweet to me, and I really am just trying to understand how I am so different from other open-minded people about this topic. I am open-minded about most shit.

I’ll give you credit because you’re at least trying it sounds like and we do agree on some things 🤗

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...Whorpio has been discussing her interest in LaVeyan Satanism lately which I think provides a good example of a subculture that embraces a sacred form of sex, that isn't exclusive/possessive.

You know what’s crazy is I was masturbating last night and when I reached the finish line my inner voice said to me “hail Satan” (something that’s never happened to me lmao). Maybe Dastard was right about becoming possessed while reading the Satanic Bible because I was reading it hours earlier 🤔

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What are you saying is right, miss?

Not discriminating against a potential love interest based on how open she is about her sexuality or sharing her body with the world. I can understand discriminating against someone’s job if they don’t make a lot of money, but if you’re discriminating because you (not you specifically MSS) can’t handle the thought of “sharing” her with the world then you should check yourself. Times are ever changing; modern love is starting to look more and more like polyamory and open relationships; these possessive men are behind the curve.

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....but sharing your body with the world can be detrimental to your health and to potential partners health?

Some people want monogamy and don't like to share.....I'm one of them....

Posted by MyStarsShine....but sharing your body with the world can be detrimental to your health and to potential partners health?

Some people want monogamy and don't like to share.....I'm one of them....

From persona experience, I can assure you people who take the career seriously take measures to protect their health, as well as anyone elses health involved 🤦🏻‍♀️

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...Whorpio has been discussing her interest in LaVeyan Satanism lately which I think provides a good example of a subculture that embraces a sacred form of sex, that isn't exclusive/possessive.

You know what’s crazy is I was masturbating last night and when I reached the finish line my inner voice said to me “hail Satan” (something that’s never happened to me lmao). Maybe Dastard was right about becoming possessed while reading the Satanic Bible because I was reading it hours earlier 🤔

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with all the judgment on these boards, its probably impossible for me to talk about these things openly, but I read Dastard's comments and definitely had a lot I could've said. I read the Satanic Bible at a very young age upon finding it in my oldest brother's room, who eventually got into much deeper forms of ritual magic, and I did practice my own version of some of the spells/rituals around love/sex, the gist of which many people are doing unwittingly all the time, and I'll at least say I think its something to be very careful with. Suppose you do find yourself, or another that you've become emotionally involved with, experiencing some abnormal undesirable phenomena as a result of some of the things you're practicing, as you just said, it becomes difficult over time, not to subconsciously incorporate some of these things into your regular sex life, masturbation or otherwise. I've never been a Satanist and while I disagree with LaVey on a lot, and think he's very unoriginal and rigid in areas, there's a lot that I agree with in his thought around how things work metaphysically. I just wouldn't rush into rituals without having a good understanding, from the experiences of others, and wider reading. Specifically with regard to the manipulation of spirits, the Enochian keys which he purposely mistranslates are definitely designed to invoke other beings.

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Posted by MyStarsShine....but sharing your body with the world can be detrimental to your health and to potential partners health?

Some people want monogamy and don't like to share.....I'm one of them....

From persona experience, I can assure you people who take the career seriously take measures to protect their health, as well as anyone elses health involved 🤦🏻‍♀️

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I'd be worried if I'd a daughter and she chose to be in that business....there are some weird people out there and it only takes one occasion to be in the wrong company and before you know it you're injured or worse...😔.

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I don't see how that follows. I see a whole person, capable of so much, reducing themselves to one thing...a body.

What’s wrong with this? If a person is happy, or even proud, to be reduced to what their body can do for people, why does it effect you? And for the record, they aren’t just reduced to their body; clients enjoy personality too.

exactly...how about just the feeling of companionship, or of spending time with a beautiful woman, experiencing their acceptance....I'm 100% sure that there are clients who don't even ask for sex....I think I read recently that there are services where people pay for cuddling lol...

That is not sad to you, that society would turn to paying for that instead of building better free bonds?

Prostitution has always been a part of society, so no, it isn't sad to me in general. An individual case of it might be sad, all factors considered, but this board is littered with sad cases of the "normal"/free usage of sex for bonding purposes daily....

I think there's a lot of beauty (even beyond the physical) in prostitution and pornography. The first thing that comes to mind is that it gives people greater access to one of the greatest pleasures on earth, and often from an aesthetic perspective, at a level they might not normally be able to experience it. Sex is an innate desire but we also grow up bombarded with sexual imagery, and the subjects used are often far beyond what the average person has access to. Not everyone is attractive by even common standards, not everyone is even capable of sexual performance for physical reasons. Pornography democratizes access to some of the most physically attractive people in the world, in a virtual sense. Prostitution has the ability to do that it in a literal sense. Put aside all the layers of corruption whatever current form the distribution takes, and I don't see how that can even possibly be a bad thing inherently.

And you are bringing up another issue that I have a problem with. The idea that every man should get to sleep with a porn star beauty in his lifetime, that not to do so means life has somehow been less than. People used to understand that the majority of us would not get to fulfill every single dream and whim we have in our lifetimes, and that to try is not even reasonable. Now people are like sticking their bucket lists in your face like life is a game to be won with established levels instead of a journey to be experienced that is unique to each.

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That's where we probably differ most strongly. I don't think there's necessarily any entitlement on the part of a man who is simply using the virtual or literal degree of access to whatever sexuality the planet has to offer. Same goes for women. Is it problematic that a woman can order any size/ style of vibrator that she wants, some of which can do things no partner's penis would be capable of? I don't think so, nor would I see it as a problematic for her to have both the access and desire to experience being ravished by a well hung/fit/attractive male prostitute (or several at a time) to fulfill a fantasy. Its human nature to have the desire, its progress in human inventiveness/ingenuity to be able to fulfill it in a legal and safe way IMO. In fact, I think, on some idealistic level, it would be cool to be a part of a society where every individual freely has universally desired consensual access to every other individual, at whatever the highest level of intimacy that existence offers - physical, emotional, spiritual, etc. That's sort of how I view God - one all-encompassing orgy of consciousness. I actually think technology will probably get us pretty close to all of the above on its own....

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with all the judgment on these boards, its probably impossible for me to talk about these things openly, but I read Dastard's comments and definitely had a lot I could've said. I read the Satanic Bible at a very young age upon finding it in my oldest brother's room, who eventually got into much deeper forms of ritual magic, and I did practice my own version of some of the spells/rituals around love/sex, the gist of which many people are doing unwittingly all the time, and I'll at least say I think its something to be very careful with. Suppose you do find yourself, or another that you've become emotionally involved, experiencing some abnormal undesirable phenomena as a result of some of the things you're practicing, as you just said, it becomes difficult over time, not to subconsciously incorporate some of these things into your regular sex life, masturbation or otherwise. I've never been a Satanist and while I disagree with LaVey on a lot, and think he's very unoriginal and rigid in areas, there's a lot that I agree with in his thought around how things work metaphysically. I just wouldn't rush into rituals without having a good understanding, from the experiences of others, and wider reading. Specifically with regard to the manipulation of spirits, the Enochian keys which he purposely mistranslates are definitely designed to invoke other beings.

I agree a lot is generic and unoriginal, but so far I feel the book is spot on about a lot of things.

I haven’t made it to the rituals or even sex chapters yet. I’m in the Book of Lucifer (“The Enlightenment”) right now. I stopped in the middle of “Some Evidence of a New Satanic Age” and got too distracted to continue until today. That’s why I thought it was particularly crazy my consciousness did a “hail Satan”; because all I’ve read so far is about the hypocrisy within Christianity.

Posted by tiziani That makes sense. When i spoke with people who were used to working in lapdance, they liked the visceral side of it like you’re saying.

Going from having skills in person to having to learn how to bring out people’s impulses behind a computer screen did look like, for them, it was like from zero all over again.

the ability to make money in your sleep is multiplied online, but yeah the clients generally are of a different mindset. more voyeuristic, and the ambience of the performer’s room (lighting, colour harmony, matching wardrobe, accessories that give off a “healthy” living vibe) weighed in a lot heavier than i imagine they do in person. also voice and talking was a huge factor.



as for human trafficking, i feel it deserves all the press and attention it can possibly get. call me a captain, but i spent less and less time on moderating and more and more time on trying to work security for performers to keep their work life and personal life separate.

it’s a shame it gets mixed up with the sex biz but the trafficking and corruption is there all the same and i couldn’t ignore it.

i actually feel sites like ManyVids do the opposite. they oversell the good press.

they will put all the press on their company head being a “sex worker turned CEO”. and that’s a cool story that i love to see, but they’ll gloss over the fact that represents such a minority of workers who make good on the game. meanwhile on the actual ManyVids site, under the huge American Dream banners, you see the actual state of their users looking like they are being forced to do acts they’re not really into just to make the bills that month.

i guess i got into it wanting to believe in the same things you’re talking about, but i couldn’t stomach how many sex workers inside the biz itself weren’t really about that life, but instead just there for lack of a better option.

Even with adapted skills, I don’t feel the fulfillment from online work. Maybe it’s because I’m an extrovert, but I feed off people’s energy; if there’s no physical presence for me to feed off of, I feel empty and dead inside.

I agree, human trafficking deserves press, but I hate when people drag the whole sex industry just to try to fix human trafficking. I think there’s other ways we can fight human trafficking.

Yes, I too met a lot of women who turned to sex work because they had to, not because they wanted to. To be honest I’ve always thought poorly of those women, and I notice they aren’t as good at the job as those of us who do it for fun. To me they strike me as lazy because they think they are going into a career that will provide fast, easy money. A lot of them quit once they’ve made their goal amount of money, and that bothers me because I think that sort of attitude/behavior also leads to a negative stereotyping of sex work.

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with all the judgment on these boards, its probably impossible for me to talk about these things openly, but I read Dastard's comments and definitely had a lot I could've said. I read the Satanic Bible at a very young age upon finding it in my oldest brother's room, who eventually got into much deeper forms of ritual magic, and I did practice my own version of some of the spells/rituals around love/sex, the gist of which many people are doing unwittingly all the time, and I'll at least say I think its something to be very careful with. Suppose you do find yourself, or another that you've become emotionally involved, experiencing some abnormal undesirable phenomena as a result of some of the things you're practicing, as you just said, it becomes difficult over time, not to subconsciously incorporate some of these things into your regular sex life, masturbation or otherwise. I've never been a Satanist and while I disagree with LaVey on a lot, and think he's very unoriginal and rigid in areas, there's a lot that I agree with in his thought around how things work metaphysically. I just wouldn't rush into rituals without having a good understanding, from the experiences of others, and wider reading. Specifically with regard to the manipulation of spirits, the Enochian keys which he purposely mistranslates are definitely designed to invoke other beings.

I agree a lot is generic and unoriginal, but so far I feel the book is spot on about a lot of things.

I haven’t made it to the rituals or even sex chapters yet. I’m in the Book of Lucifer (“The Enlightenment”) right now. I stopped in the middle of “Some Evidence of a New Satanic Age” and got too distracted to continue until today. That’s why I thought it was particularly crazy my consciousness did a “hail Satan”; because all I’ve read so far is about the hypocrisy within Christianity.

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I think his views on Christianity are very right in some areas, and way off in others. My own take on Christianity, which I agree/disagree with on many points, has gotten me basically excommunicated from some denominations lol. Too much to get into here, but on my own reading of the texts, I actually think they portray a union/merger with God as the very essence of salvation, and do so in a very sexual way, utilizing human sex as one of the major metaphors for this union. I think, though this is not at all how they're practiced by most people today, both Judaism and Christianity are essentially religions about the ultimate deification of man/woman and merger with God as the end goal, actually from the very beginning. The 2nd largest denomination, Eastern Orthodoxy, would agree with me there, as would all of the major Catholic theologians and Protestant Reformers, but that's a long conversation for a different crowd...

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I don't see how that follows. I see a whole person, capable of so much, reducing themselves to one thing...a body.

What’s wrong with this? If a person is happy, or even proud, to be reduced to what their body can do for people, why does it effect you? And for the record, they aren’t just reduced to their body; clients enjoy personality too.

exactly...how about just the feeling of companionship, or of spending time with a beautiful woman, experiencing their acceptance....I'm 100% sure that there are clients who don't even ask for sex....I think I read recently that there are services where people pay for cuddling lol...

That is not sad to you, that society would turn to paying for that instead of building better free bonds?

Prostitution has always been a part of society, so no, it isn't sad to me in general. An individual case of it might be sad, all factors considered, but this board is littered with sad cases of the "normal"/free usage of sex for bonding purposes daily....

I think there's a lot of beauty (even beyond the physical) in prostitution and pornography. The first thing that comes to mind is that it gives people greater access to one of the greatest pleasures on earth, and often from an aesthetic perspective, at a level they might not normally be able to experience it. Sex is an innate desire but we also grow up bombarded with sexual imagery, and the subjects used are often far beyond what the average person has access to. Not everyone is attractive by even common standards, not everyone is even capable of sexual performance for physical reasons. Pornography democratizes access to some of the most physically attractive people in the world, in a virtual sense. Prostitution has the ability to do that it in a literal sense. Put aside all the layers of corruption whatever current form the distribution takes, and I don't see how that can even possibly be a bad thing inherently.

And you are bringing up another issue that I have a problem with. The idea that every man should get to sleep with a porn star beauty in his lifetime, that not to do so means life has somehow been less than. People used to understand that the majority of us would not get to fulfill every single dream and whim we have in our lifetimes, and that to try is not even reasonable. Now people are like sticking their bucket lists in your face like life is a game to be won with established levels instead of a journey to be experienced that is unique to each.

That's where we probably differ most strongly. I don't think there's necessarily any entitlement on the part of a man who is simply using the virtual or literal degree of access to whatever sexuality the planet has to offer. Same goes for women. Is it problematic that a woman can order any size/ style of vibrator that she wants, some of which can do things no partner's penis would be capable of? I don't think so, nor would I see it as a problematic for her to have both the access and desire to experience being ravished by a well hung/fit/attractive male prostitute (or several at a time) to fulfill a fantasy. Its human nature to have the desire, its progress in human inventiveness/ingenuity to be able to fulfill it in a legal and safe way IMO. In fact, I think, on some idealistic level, it would be cool to be a part of a society where every individual freely has universally desired consensual access to every other individual, at whatever the highest level of intimacy that existence offers - physical, emotional, spiritual, etc. That's sort of how I view God - one all-encompassing orgy of consciousness. I actually think technology will probably get us pretty close to all of the above on its own....

I don't have a fully formed theory on this yet, but I'm getting there. I believe that we value the things we work to get. I believe that getting everything we want is fundamentally bad for people and corrupts them.

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I can agree with all that...

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...Whorpio has been discussing her interest in LaVeyan Satanism lately which I think provides a good example of a subculture that embraces a sacred form of sex, that isn't exclusive/possessive.

You know what’s crazy is I was masturbating last night and when I reached the finish line my inner voice said to me “hail Satan” (something that’s never happened to me lmao). Maybe Dastard was right about becoming possessed while reading the Satanic Bible because I was reading it hours earlier 🤔

with all the judgment on these boards, its probably impossible for me to talk about these things openly, but I read Dastard's comments and definitely had a lot I could've said. I read the Satanic Bible at a very young age upon finding it in my oldest brother's room, who eventually got into much deeper forms of ritual magic, and I did practice my own version of some of the spells/rituals around love/sex, the gist of which many people are doing unwittingly all the time, and I'll at least say I think its something to be very careful with. Suppose you do find yourself, or another that you've become emotionally involved, experiencing some abnormal undesirable phenomena as a result of some of the things you're practicing, as you just said, it becomes difficult over time, not to subconsciously incorporate some of these things into your regular sex life, masturbation or otherwise. I've never been a Satanist and while I disagree with LaVey on a lot, and think he's very unoriginal and rigid in areas, there's a lot that I agree with in his thought around how things work metaphysically. I just wouldn't rush into rituals without having a good understanding, from the experiences of others, and wider reading. Specifically with regard to the manipulation of spirits, the Enochian keys which he purposely mistranslates are definitely designed to invoke other beings.

Do you think it's possible to accidentally put a spell on someone?

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I do, yes.

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I don't see how that follows. I see a whole person, capable of so much, reducing themselves to one thing...a body.

What’s wrong with this? If a person is happy, or even proud, to be reduced to what their body can do for people, why does it effect you? And for the record, they aren’t just reduced to their body; clients enjoy personality too.

exactly...how about just the feeling of companionship, or of spending time with a beautiful woman, experiencing their acceptance....I'm 100% sure that there are clients who don't even ask for sex....I think I read recently that there are services where people pay for cuddling lol...

That is not sad to you, that society would turn to paying for that instead of building better free bonds?

Prostitution has always been a part of society, so no, it isn't sad to me in general. An individual case of it might be sad, all factors considered, but this board is littered with sad cases of the "normal"/free usage of sex for bonding purposes daily....

I think there's a lot of beauty (even beyond the physical) in prostitution and pornography. The first thing that comes to mind is that it gives people greater access to one of the greatest pleasures on earth, and often from an aesthetic perspective, at a level they might not normally be able to experience it. Sex is an innate desire but we also grow up bombarded with sexual imagery, and the subjects used are often far beyond what the average person has access to. Not everyone is attractive by even common standards, not everyone is even capable of sexual performance for physical reasons. Pornography democratizes access to some of the most physically attractive people in the world, in a virtual sense. Prostitution has the ability to do that it in a literal sense. Put aside all the layers of corruption whatever current form the distribution takes, and I don't see how that can even possibly be a bad thing inherently.

And you are bringing up another issue that I have a problem with. The idea that every man should get to sleep with a porn star beauty in his lifetime, that not to do so means life has somehow been less than. People used to understand that the majority of us would not get to fulfill every single dream and whim we have in our lifetimes, and that to try is not even reasonable. Now people are like sticking their bucket lists in your face like life is a game to be won with established levels instead of a journey to be experienced that is unique to each.

That's where we probably differ most strongly. I don't think there's necessarily any entitlement on the part of a man who is simply using the virtual or literal degree of access to whatever sexuality the planet has to offer. Same goes for women. Is it problematic that a woman can order any size/ style of vibrator that she wants, some of which can do things no partner's penis would be capable of? I don't think so, nor would I see it as a problematic for her to have both the access and desire to experience being ravished by a well hung/fit/attractive male prostitute (or several at a time) to fulfill a fantasy. Its human nature to have the desire, its progress in human inventiveness/ingenuity to be able to fulfill it in a legal and safe way IMO. In fact, I think, on some idealistic level, it would be cool to be a part of a society where every individual freely has universally desired consensual access to every other individual, at whatever the highest level of intimacy that existence offers - physical, emotional, spiritual, etc. That's sort of how I view God - one all-encompassing orgy of consciousness. I actually think technology will probably get us pretty close to all of the above on its own....

I don't have a fully formed theory on this yet, but I'm getting there. I believe that we value the things we work to get. I believe that getting everything we want is fundamentally bad for people and corrupts them.

I can agree with all that...

Currently trying to decide if God as one all-encompassing orgy of consciousness sounds awesome or gives me hives. I believe in the connectedness of people but really struggle with the idea of losing my individual consciousness.

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Forgive this run-on sentence but among the criteria for what scholars of religion call the "mystical experience", which is attained almost universally/cross-culturally in almost all religions that contain a contemplative/meditative aspect or other means of direct acess to altered states of consciousness (psychedelics and ritual dance of the Shamans, the whirling dervish of the Sufi mystics, etc.), and even in the near death experiences which many see as a subset of the "mystical experience" (particularly when the subject, outside of their own fearful state, was actually nowhere near a real physical death), the experience of "oneness" or merger with the deity, , having an access to an expanded (sometimes seemingly omniscient) point of view, etc. is one of the major features - and yes, many get to a point where they feel they are on the precipice of losing their own identity in such experiences, and back off as they find it terrifying.

alright...enough yammering for me today...have to get some work done....good convo though - sacred prostitutes, porn, orgies, and god...lol I'm here for it...

Posted by Fanta

Anyway, I'm really sorry if I have offended anyone, especially @Whorpio. You've been consistently sweet to me, and I really am just trying to understand how I am so different from other open-minded people about this topic. I am open-minded about most shit.

Except polyamorous relationships.

Posted by Sith_Rogen

If a man had one, would it be okay for a woman to not want to date him?

I didn't read the entire thread, I don't know if it's been addressed.

I believe it was mentioned somewhere that they wouldn't like it because he would most likely be catering to gay men, and she would question his sexuality because of it.