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Hello Parallax ! (..Hello EVERYONE)

Sorry for the late response. I can certaintly understand some of your greivances concerning the new masculine qualities SOME ladies have taken on. Regardless of how manly SOME women chose to behave-- that doesn't let men off the hook from treating all women like a lady.. unless a woman does something to show she doesn't deserve it. But that extends beyond the idea that women as a whole-- have all decided to stop being more feminine-- or men as whole have decided to stop being chivalrous. I think that's just about treating everyone with a level of respect.

Additionally, making comments about the way a woman is dressed, or how she acts doesn't make you a chauvenist. It's not about thinking, "ah.. girls look better in skirts." It's when you treat a woman as if she is "less than" --or, she's not a woman unless she does, "x, y and z".

As for the cancer post... I do think most women appreciate a man with loyalty. I don't think the author was criticizing a man for being loyal- I think she was complaining that some men are smothering. I've had a relationship in the past where I felt as if I was losing my identity. I was no longer "me"-- but "me and him". He expected me to like all his friends, love his mother like she was my own and go shopping with his sister on Sundays. I can't speak for everyone, but I think-- even if you love someone, that doesn't mean you have to like all their friends. Also, sometimes you and the mom won't get along, and I hate shopping!

You're right, how a man treats his mother and sisters is great indication on how he'll treat you, but not always a sign of how he "views" women. For example, if a guy helps his mom replace the light fixture in her kitchen-- is he doing it because, in his mind, he's thinking, "that's man's work-- step aside, woman!" There's a difference between doing something as a sign of respect and love, and doing it because you think that person is incapable merely because of who they are.

I'm glad you don't have any hard feelings.
-sTD

[It's not about thinking, "ah.. girls look better in skirts." It's when you treat a woman as if she is "less than" --or, she's not a woman unless she does, "x, y and z".]

How true STD. Unfortunately many females get treated "less than" due to a particualr male's expectation, whether he has any remote connection with her or not. Many women face harrassment from men whom they have hardly known. It is horrible when men who are of no conern to you come out of the blue and ditate how she has to behave or dress otherwise she risks being abused. As a result in ertain cases women live in constant fear and repress self-expression.

Statistics show that the majority of women who got abused were the one's who towed hte line and dess up in modesty. Yet the impression is given that if a woman is being illtreated it must have been largely her fault. !!!!!

Then the generlisations... females or so & so region are "fast" & "easy" ...in so & so region are "respectful". If a woman is sexually liberated soem men will make an assumption that when & where they show their interest..the so called 'available" fem will drop down all her inhibitions......

Every person male or female have a right to have an "ideal" in their mind. But htat ideal should not lead to unfair judgements and an excuse for disrespectful and violent attacks.

"Oh lord here we go again. Nobody is saying that to women. It's just a generality"

Well I dont want to argue on that point as I know what I am saying is from my wide travelling experiences whether it is America, Europe,Asia or Africa. I still remember meeting an American ( a fashion Photographer) while travelling in Europe in TGV. He went on a rant categorising women as "decent" "sluttish"... and had all those European females giving him disdainful look. LOL

Regarding looking alluring......It is a worldwide phenomenon that as women are getting busier playing several roles at any given time, she has to adopt a dressing style which suits her life style . Believe me many females want to get dressed up for the occassion & look alluring.But the priority becomes more of getting into a relaxed mood for the occassion rather than getting dressed according to the occassion. As far as their immediate goals are met, the rest is unnecessary. It is just to do with how tough the socio-economic set up has become.

Plus women want their men to see the real person in them. She is becoming more honest with her core self and accepting it. Many find loooking outwardly sexy or alluring as being pretentious. Besides,What could look sloppy dress sense to one man can mean to another man that the female concerned is very down to earth & above pretenses.Some men find that sexy.

I believe that there is a Romeo for every Juliet and vice versa. Let people be their true self. This is the way they will meet partners who actually compliment their unique personality.

You took the words right out of my mouth, looneybird. I completely agree with you. Plus, I would like to add that it all depends on who you talk to. Women can now dress for the occassion. She doesn't have to put on a dress, stocking and heels just to go grocery shopping. Also, I disagree that women have become lax in their appearance, I just think women have learned to dress for the occasion. -sTD

"I would like to add that it all depends on who you talk to"

Yeah STD you are very right.You may talk to ten different peopel on the same street & each one could have a different view. It is quite fun studying people anyway.

As I understand what Parallax must have meant by lax dressing is- not looking sexy/alluring in a classical feminine way.I personally think that a woman could look sexy even in a rustic cowboy outfit.For some men what the eyes speak & what the female has between her 2 ears takes the priority.

True, but I agree with your on that point as well. Sexy and alluring is in the eye of the beholder. The young friend I'm seeing now likes me most when I'm wearing HIS T-shirts...whereas a young man I dated before enjoyed me best when he caught me going to work in a A-line skirt and stilettos. All about preference.

Yah, Sweet-P. I agree with you, women shouldn't go out looking like a total-hot mess. But is that rule exclusively geared towards women, or isn't that an idea which is universal? Take pride in appearance? I don't think that neither looneybird nor I are saying women shouldn't dress up-- dressing up is still fun when the occassion presents itself. I think the perception of women being laxed in their fashion depends on where you are and who you ask.

Perhaps we should all re-watch this excellent movie "scent of a woman - 1992" see how a classical man appreciate the way woman's are.

Extra ordinary beautiful, intelligent, and perfect in any sense.

HMM Scent of a Woman-1992..An Al-Pacino movie? Am i right? Watched it when it was released. But do forget a lot of it.

Yeah STD & I dont mean that women should dress sloppy. I am myself very particualr & feminine to a fault. And my ex used to love me in a t-shirt & sweat pants too.

But what does sloppiness exaclty mean? And my question is to Parallax. Because I find American women very smartly dressed most of the time. They may not be dressed in a feminine or classical manner but smart- definitely yes.

I agree with you there Q - Scent of a Woman.......it's a classic sensuous film.........there was no actual sex, no actual nudity....it was all about sex, but without the sex!!!....and the sexiest moment when Mr. Pacino dances the tango to the music Por Una Cabasa....blew me away...what man wouldn't be turned on by her girly giggle, as she gets it wrong for the first time!!.....hell, what girl wouldn't be turned on.....

How come such a small man (in stature??)can have such presence—....something for us all there to learn from....it's all about attitude and the "I don't give a damn if you like me or dislike me...I just do my own thing"...there's nothing so more alluring - surely!!!

Chris O'Donnell ain't half bad either in that film.....very vulnerable, yet did the business when needed:-)

Just like you my dear Q.

A x

Parallax.. dude.... buddy!!

What is sloppiness..?? Ladies are waiting and I am clueless..!

Sweet-p you are most welcome LOL. 😉I raised the question to him as he talked about American women being sloppy. Which sorta surprised me. Besides I have noticed that cancerian men having good sense of what looks good on a woman.

🙂

Yah.. I agree too.

(although Parallax will be the first use Pam Anderson and "class" in the same sentence.)

How many Virgo's around to solve this problem?? ?hehe

Need more analisng powers.

Come on dude's and dude'ess...... we have an issue here.
Inject your ideas?.I promises that I don?t flame
Muwahahaha.

Those film personalities screen presence is the Director's vision or fashion designer's great imagination.... they are/were the extension of somebody else's fantasy. Yes the actors/resses who can best present that fantasy on the screen are selected. I am not and never was ever impressed by their style s. Ofcourse cant help stillbeing in love with Sean connery though. The latest hearthrob is Pierce Brosnan! Now that I call real class. Recently he visited India. I was just driving by & caught a glimpse of him...man I mised the right turn and took me a whle to recollect where i was suppose to be headed to.😉🙂
"Class" is from within to begin with. One's thoughts, attitude, behaviour, personal hygiene, good health & a sense of dressing according to one's unique personality is what defines the class. What people wear is a response to their environment.

Being of a mixed race I would go beyond the old classical definition of dress-code. People in my situation go for 'fusion' kinda outfits(for example the ankle length asian silken skirt with western halter neck or spaghetti strapped top or the 'luckhnavi' Indian top with the western skirt)...if one has aesthetic sense then this combi can be mond-blowing. I would keep typically western style for typical western formal do or typically Asian style for a typically formal Asian gathering. The rest of the time anythign typically anything would be too boring.

Qbone!
There are no virgos here. teh only one..that is you.. is at a total loss for words and hence appealing to other virgos for help LOL

😉

HELP-..... i'll be damn...

Sweet-P dear
I hear you on the point of 'good health'. In this context what I meant was physical & mental fitness.Yes people can be cheerful even while being ill. And that adds to their posture.That is a sign of great mental health & a 'never say die' attitude. And I totally admire that person. There is great beauty in that. Reminds me of the frail looking Mother Teressa, who over-shadowed the beauteous Princess Diana when ever both met.

A person could be physically healthy but mentally screwed up. In that case s/he will walk around with a slump and hence have a real bad posture.

Ans yes Audrey Hepburn is a classic example of 'class', but it is jsut that I appreciate her a lot...but my inspiration comes form the peopel around me.

Hey.. Leave those names out of this? please... its boring.

There is a lot of mother Theresa and Gandhi around (perhaps even more than those)? and they die everyday with their wisdom. Why do you point those "media celebrities" around..?? Care to explain..??

I don't give rant about those media garbage's? (Just because they are media celebrities)...

What is important, there is lot of those names in every one of us? just need to admit it and respect it.

WE DON?T NEED NAMES AND EXAMPLES?

Are we talking about "classic" woman..??
Or
Today's woman—

LOL Qbone

You took words out of my mouth. Was there a telepathy or what? I was thinking exactly the same .... Thats' what I was trying to convey that I take my inspiration from people around me. Those people who may have put their life at great risk by selflessly helping others. Their sacrifies & work goes unnoticed just because they are not media personalities.

Mother Teressa reference only came up to explain a point on 'good health' to Sweet-P..not that I am over bowled by her(Teressa) either.

Qbone we are waiting for your contribution in this discussion about today's women.

LOL 🙂

Which time-frame defines the "classic" woman? When does a woman move from "today" to classic? Doesn't the modern woman have a class of her own-- and still be what is considered, "classy"?

Good point STd!

Historically though 'Classic' or 'classical' refers to ancient times i.e. time prior to 1000 A.d. roughly. Lets' see what others have to say.

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ahh looneybird....

for once I could read your mind....haha....1 p0!n7 f0r m3 7h3n.
😉

Today's woman..??.. I love today's woman...🙂

The problem is? >> insert your guess here please

STD.. Good point?

Today woman are not fit the classic woman image that all males use to know or "recognise".
Many have problem to know about this new "creature" hence a lot of confusions.

Old image was based on male (wishes)? new image are based on..—
Even "I" get in to trouble (sometimes) to explain it.

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I think new image of "women" was created by women and gay men.

STD

Nothing wrong with the Gay men?they are in touch with the "sensitive side of man's existence".
I'll respect that?
But what about the today women..?? Lesbian is not the answer.

No no no.. I mean the fashion/ attitude/ style of the modern woman is being shaped by gay men and other women..I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it..

Back on the topic of women's fashion.. anyone know who invented the thong..?

STD

Well I'll respect your idea?.
But modern woman "must" comes from an old Idea.. care to share your idea about it..??
I mean things can not come over night you know?

The body of women "in Hollywood shape" is something and the "woman shape" is something else.
Care to define those and explain it..??

I mean I am VIRGO.. and busy with those shapes and similarities etc. as always.
But.. I am not fascist about it? and I accept the fact that shape is shape? but the person behind that shape is my target? really?

I guess it is universal for all mature male out there?

You cam imagine the most sexy body in this universe?.1.2.3. and done.
But you can imagine the most outdated body in this universe?but her mind and the way she do things?.1?.1000,000.. is not ended yet?and still conting?
All is about MIND work? not the visual stuff?.

That should cover mine and probably parallax too.. its all about mind work.. smart dressed woman is not what I am after?
Smart woman.. is what I am looking for?the rest is —?dolls with or without cloths.

Ahhhh Qbone!

Your above posts brought up this. Perosn behind the shape. I mentioned something earlier that what an actor/ess looks on the scene is an extension of a director's imagination. The actor/ress is the shape and the Director the mind behind that shape.What is visual is actually mind stuff. Ther eis a mind behind it.

And there are certain stuff about the mind which is timeless and this is "Classical" .

Well just my response. It could be way off from what you must be conveying. Care to clarify?

Okay got it ... the person herself behind that persona.. fine.

LOL.

Jesus?you still awake..??
Lol

Yeah? most men LOVE?. I mean LOVE to communicate (smart wise) to a female.. in case you've not noticing it.
We enjoy it.. even we don?t admit it.

Yeah chatting with my cousin in california. I am sleepy though.You have not yet answered. Is my perception of your above posts correct?

Qbone, I'm not sure what you're asking in your first question. Can you give me more detail?

Are you asking, "what's my idea of a woman?", or do you want to know where do I think the idea of the modern woman came from?"

As for Hollywood shape, vs Woman shape: Looking at this topic in it's most abstract form, I agree with previous discussions that the "hollywood" shape is based off a collective fantasy. I also think that the idea of beauty and feminity was initially conceived by men, and then enhanced by women.

Women's shape, is based off of Hollywood-- however, it is skewed by the outside influence of reality.

The difference is that hollywood has an entire team of artists and illusionists, building this "woman"-- and her image is created from the ideas selective group of people(men and women alike).

Yes You & Parallax specially love to visit and put your thoguhts on the board. The ohter males seem to have vanished. Just yesterday CJ7 peeped in.

If I'm quiet for awhile, it's because I'm in a meeting (*ugh work*) 😢

STD

Well ? must be your idea?
Cause I KNOW females?.and trust me.. I KNOW?.

The reason that I've claimed that "I know females"? is because I never killed the female inside me.

STD You asked somethign about "Thong". Maybe this link will help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thong_% 28bikini% 2C_underwear% 29

Q-
"The body of women "in Hollywood shape" is something and the "woman shape" is something else.
Care to define those and explain it..??"

Hi man, See I think you and I as well as many men on this planet love a smart woman;and many women either do or are dying to unleash their intellect. However, the problem lies in many women(especially in media based cultures)still believe that their worth or value is based on their looks. When I look at a woman on the subway, whats one of the first HABITS she does? She "grooms" herself. ie: clearing away ones hair from the face, flicking it over the shoulder, perhaps a glance at her reflection in the window, just to make sure everything is in order. (i dont know why, but this sort of habitual behavior is annoying to me).
Anyways, Id say its pretty common to think, even among intelligent women "if I am pretty and sexy, I will achieve success(ie. good looking man, wealthy man, COMFORT, SECURITY, babies, a nice home, and perhaps some luxury).
Why do you think that if you go to a party and there is one woman in particular who physically stands out above the rest that nearly all if not all women there, regardless of how intelligent they may be, sizes up that one "visually dominant" woman, scoping her for mistakes, blemishes, cellulite, anything to criticize to bring her down a notch. Because at that party, depending on how hot this hypothetical beauty is, every man there will be either staring at her, wanting to talk to her, or already be talking to her. Some of the men will be curious, some will be hoping she has a good mind-then she may have a great "overall package", some will not care and just want to get into her pants. **for those men that dont look its probably because he is with his girlfriend at this "party" and doesnt want to deal with the consequences of checking out another woman. He still wants to though.
Either way all or almost all other women in the room will be jealous to some degree.
My point is that we live in a world that is predominantly visual based. The eyes are probably the most important sense these days. Unfortunately they dont go past the skin. Much of our cultures are based on shape, forms, SYMBOLS, colors. The values have changed over the years regarding what is visually appealing/valuable when it comes to female beauty. And right now it happens to be (generally speaking)tall, slender or fit, healthy, fun, sexy,and sometimes smart. Its going to be a while when its going to be average or short height, average or fat(oops I said the "F"word), unhealthy, boring, and with the sex appeal of a corn flake.
Unfortunately most women do not have the "Hollywood Body" and have a more Natural body. But just because the majority is not Hollywood, does not mean they have say of what is desirable. Which is the MAIN problem...The desire to be desired. "Hollywood" dictates thru media what is desirable, if you dont got it, well you dont got "it".
The hottie at "the party" knows she's got "it". And she's gonna milk it for all its worth(maybe).
They say that knowledge is power. It may be true, but so is fitting the visual/cultural standard of beauty(having sixpack abs(whichever sex), arms of steel(moreso men), perky breasts, a booty, beautiful hair, long legs,etc.)
So it sounds like were talking about power here and the desire to attain it. Hmmm....