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So, Im just wondering if i have any cause for concern.

She has a nice personality, very talkative, smart yet when i have meetings with her, she always talks smack about other ppl and she is always saying "lets keep this between us."

The first time i heard it, my alarms went off. Because usually, ppl who say that are talking shit about everyone behind their back. Also, ive been told by my coworkers that she also tells them things and then famously says "lets just keep this between us."

So what do you think her motives are?

Is she inadvertently putting herself in the middle of drama?

Is she trying to see whose loyal and who isnt?

Do you think she's talking about me behind my back and others arent saying anything me—
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So i talked to another coworker in the office and what she told me kinda irked me.

So i asked my coworker (gemini) if the Boss had ever told her "lets keep this between us" during a conversation. Gemini said that yes that indeed happen and then went on to tell me that the virgo was talking shit about fellow coworkers. the same coworkers who the virgo praised to me about. There is a cap lady and she is phenomenal at her job. I brought her up to the virgo during our meeting and i said that the cap is very good at her job and has been since day 1 and that the virgo could rely on her.

meanwhile, the gemini is telling me that no, the virgo was talking shit about the cap to her! the gemini felt so uncomfortable with the discussion that she went to the virgo's boss and HR about it.

I had been also thinking about going to HR about it, but i wanted to do a little bit more investigating first.

The gemini also told me that the virgo was saying things that bordered on jealousy. Like the virgo is jealous over our relationships across the company and within the field. i agreed with her that i got that same feeling and it left me feeling sick. I worked hard to form the relationships and i shouldnt be punished for them. if you want the same relationships, put in your time.
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She's testing loyalty.
interesting way of doing that by talking smack about everyone, knowing we're all friends.
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I think she is talking just to talk. Probably doesn't even realize how it is perceived or what the implications are.

Not excusing it though - whether she's oblivious or manipulative, I'd keep her at arms length either way.
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So i talked to another coworker in the office and what she told me kinda irked me.

So i asked my coworker (gemini) if the Boss had ever told her "lets keep this between us" during a conversation. Gemini said that yes that indeed happen and then went on to tell me that the virgo was talking shit about fellow coworkers. the same coworkers who the virgo praised to me about. There is a cap lady and she is phenomenal at her job. I brought her up to the virgo during our meeting and i said that the cap is very good at her job and has been since day 1 and that the virgo could rely on her.

meanwhile, the gemini is telling me that no, the virgo was talking shit about the cap to her! the gemini felt so uncomfortable with the discussion that she went to the virgo's boss and HR about it.

I had been also thinking about going to HR about it, but i wanted to do a little bit more investigating first.

The gemini also told me that the virgo was saying things that bordered on jealousy. Like the virgo is jealous over our relationships across the company and within the field. i agreed with her that i got that same feeling and it left me feeling sick. I worked hard to form the relationships and i shouldnt be punished for them. if you want the same relationships, put in your time.
Sit back and watch. Don't add fuel to any fires on the border but when and if need be, go to hr. It's supposed to be professional.
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i agree. im going to do the sit and wait approach to see what goes down
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1. she always talks smack about other ppl

2. So what do you think her motives are?

3. Is she inadvertently putting herself in the middle of drama?

4. Is she trying to see whose loyal and who isnt?

5. Do you think she's talking about me behind my back


1. I'm surprised she was hired as a supervisor. I know when I come across people like this, who slipped through the cracks - get fired immediately.

2. She's not bright enough to have a calculated motive. If she was manager material, she would think before she speaks. It sounds like this isn't happening. What is happening is that she is just blurting out whatever is on her mind, without considerations. Just like that stupid coco ... who blurts out to her neighbor something very painful, without consideration.

This person sounds like she doesn't have a motive. If she had a motive, she would use brain cells. If she used brain cells, then she would have realized that she accomplishes being the smallest employee, and not anywhere near a big one.

Not to worry, though. As soon as her superiors realize she's incompetent, she will be shown the curb.

3. Perhaps. And someone else also alluded to maybe she doesn't realize herself. How sad is that? That a person cannot even comprehend Itself?

4. It's doubtful that she's bright enough to actually have deliberate actions. She's one of those people who can only react. Sad, isn't it?

Like a person who pouts because their birthday wasn't remembered. The action of pouting is clearly a reaction. If thought was put into it, then the solution is simple.

5. Of course.
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1. she always talks smack about other ppl

2. So what do you think her motives are?

3. Is she inadvertently putting herself in the middle of drama?

4. Is she trying to see whose loyal and who isnt?

5. Do you think she's talking about me behind my back


1. I'm surprised she was hired as a supervisor. I know when I come across people like this, who slipped through the cracks - get fired immediately.

2. She's not bright enough to have a calculated motive. If she was manager material, she would think before she speaks. It sounds like this isn't happening. What is happening is that she is just blurting out whatever is on her mind, without considerations. Just like that stupid coco ... who blurts out to her neighbor something very painful, without consideration.

This person sounds like she doesn't have a motive. If she had a motive, she would use brain cells. If she used brain cells, then she would have realized that she accomplishes being the smallest employee, and not anywhere near a big one.

Not to worry, though. As soon as her superiors realize she's incompetent, she will be shown the curb.

3. Perhaps. And someone else also alluded to maybe she doesn't realize herself. How sad is that? That a person cannot even comprehend Itself?

4. It's doubtful that she's bright enough to actually have deliberate actions. She's one of those people who can only react. Sad, isn't it?

Like a person who pouts because their birthday wasn't remembered. The action of pouting is clearly a reaction. If thought was put into it, then the solution is simple.

5. Of course.
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interesting. as a supervisor, you would think she should show more tact.
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i think she's pretty intelligent ......



.... because that is how intelligent woman handle themselves.

So, what is the point of the thread, then?


If you believe she is smart, and some other manager thought she was ........ so, then be a good employee and stop talking about her behind her back.

Obviously, YOU have been talking to other employees about her behind her back, and you talked to us.

Maybe your motivation is because you're jealous that she noticed a guy you like .....
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i think she's pretty intelligent ......



.... because that is how intelligent woman handle themselves.

So, what is the point of the thread, then?


If you believe she is smart, and some other manager thought she was ........ so, then be a good employee and stop talking about her behind her back.

Obviously, YOU have been talking to other employees about her behind her back, and you talked to us.

Maybe your motivation is because you're jealous that she noticed a guy you like .....
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Its possible for someone to be book smart or intelligent and lack common sense at the same time.
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1. she always talks smack about other ppl

2. So what do you think her motives are?

3. Is she inadvertently putting herself in the middle of drama?

4. Is she trying to see whose loyal and who isnt?

5. Do you think she's talking about me behind my back


1. I'm surprised she was hired as a supervisor. I know when I come across people like this, who slipped through the cracks - get fired immediately.

2. She's not bright enough to have a calculated motive. If she was manager material, she would think before she speaks. It sounds like this isn't happening. What is happening is that she is just blurting out whatever is on her mind, without considerations. Just like that stupid coco ... who blurts out to her neighbor something very painful, without consideration.

This person sounds like she doesn't have a motive. If she had a motive, she would use brain cells. If she used brain cells, then she would have realized that she accomplishes being the smallest employee, and not anywhere near a big one.

Not to worry, though. As soon as her superiors realize she's incompetent, she will be shown the curb.

3. Perhaps. And someone else also alluded to maybe she doesn't realize herself. How sad is that? That a person cannot even comprehend Itself?

4. It's doubtful that she's bright enough to actually have deliberate actions. She's one of those people who can only react. Sad, isn't it?

Like a person who pouts because their birthday wasn't remembered. The action of pouting is clearly a reaction. If thought was put into it, then the solution is simple.

5. Of course.
interesting. as a supervisor, you would think she should show more tact.
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You think she's smart. She obviously proved she was to be hired in this position.

Tact might not be necessary if the point of her being there is to weed out the cancer.


if there are people there gossiping behind others backs, then maybe this is a plan on her part. when in rome, act like romans, right? So, if she's gossipy, then perhaps the people in the company who are causing this mess will be sussed out.


How often do you talk to your co-workers about other people?

because you already told us that you do that. Maybe she was hired to get rid of you, and whomever it is talking with you, about others.


You never know. So, your best bet in this case, is to take the high road, and be the person you want to present yourself as.
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Tact might not be necessary if the point of her being there is to weed out the cancer

which is why i asked about motives.

if there are people there gossiping behind others backs, then maybe this is a plan on her part. when in rome, act like romans, right? So, if she's gossipy, then perhaps the people in the company who are causing this mess will be sussed out.

its a really good work environment. everyone is open and friendly.

How often do you talk to your co-workers about other people?

not often, I come to work, do my job, crack a few jokes, and go home. I dont slander my coworkers. theyre cool peeps.
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if i find out that shes talked shit about me, we're going to have a problem.



Would it then be safe to assume that your mindset is that off unprofessionalism when handling adverse conditions?

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no, not safe to assume at all. my professional reputation is important to me.

i wouldnt be where i am if i was unprofessional. My job gives me the rare opportunity to travel the world and represent.
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I'm not clear why you are having such a strong reaction to a new supervisor.

Are you that combative at work?




But, most importantly of all with that statement ..... it makes the implication that it's all right that she is like that, in so you won't make a stand against the behavior ... unless you're involved. So, that means you don't actually care about her treating her staff wrong, you only care about how you feel.

That reminds me of that horrible black lady several years ago. She was a Scorpio, hung out on the Sag board. She woke up on the wrong side of the bed, and even stated that was the reason for her foul mood one at work. And then she thought that someone was being discriminated against at work, and through a fucking fit. Went to HR, raised a ruckus about being black and being discriminated against .... until she found out it wasn't about her, then she didn't care. Her whole demeanor changed and she couldn't care a less about the principal.

Which means she is the kind of person who is the problem in our country with discrimination. She had no honor at all, and literally didn't give a fuck about it, so long as it wasn't about her. And this lady took down people, under false pretenses, and justified it to herself as being ok because she is black.

A piece of shit, is what she is ... and a disgrace to her race.


Anyway ..... this is what comes to mind when I read that you will raise hell if YOU are involved.


Personally, if I were you .... I would just turn the other cheek, and remain silently calm.

You know, luv ... people hang themselves if given enough rope. If she is bad as you state, then eventually, everyone will begin to see it. You make sure you align yourself with the people/angle in where you are standing for the value of righteousness, and not squabbling in the corner with the other dogs.

be proactive, rather than expend your energy at work fussing behind her back.

You want to promote yourself. So, you have to be conscientious of that if you want to be valued.
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So, Im just wondering if i have any cause for concern.

She has a nice personality, very talkative, smart yet when i have meetings with her, she always talks smack about other ppl and she is always saying "lets keep this between us."
As a Virgo, or any other sign, she's sounds like she might just be a buttery person. I wouldn't presume there are any grand ulterior motives. Probably just your standard back stabber looking for approval in all the wrong ways.

It's always good to go with your instincts on something like this. If she's talking to you like this and also others, yeah, there's a good chance she's talking some smack about you too. Just keep your distance and chin up. No reason to play that game.
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Im going to say something if she does it a 3rd time.

I get that everyone needs a sounding board but I shouldnt be her sounding board and neither should other employees. Her boss should be her sounding board.
Rather saying something, watch and observe. Do not talk to her about others. Not even in a joking manner. She's the type to use your words against you.
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Definitely the type to do that.

I think she feels pressure of being new and not really knowing whats going on. She said that shes used to being the go to person, the person who knows everything.

I told her to relax. It took my 8 months to figure things out. She will get there. It will happen.

I also think that when confronted with something different the first instinct is to change it. Critique and change. Rather than learn and understand.
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You need to keep your head down and your nose clean... The Gem should not be gossiping... By her telling you stuff about the Virgo she too is more than likely ALSO talking about you behind your back...

I don't like gossip or nay sayers... Keep ALL of them at arms length... My Sag sister is always in the midst of office gossip and trouble simply because people feel the need to tell her their gossip... Don't get involved...
The gemini is cool with me. We are very close. She even invites me over to spend time with her family. Shes always supported me in my endeavors
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You need to keep your head down and your nose clean... The Gem should not be gossiping... By her telling you stuff about the Virgo she too is more than likely ALSO talking about you behind your back...

I don't like gossip or nay sayers... Keep ALL of them at arms length... My Sag sister is always in the midst of office gossip and trouble simply because people feel the need to tell her their gossip... Don't get involved...
The gemini is cool with me. We are very close. She even invites me over to spend time with her family. Shes always supported me in my endeavors
I don't about that DMV., don't trust a Gemini.
I feel like when a person tells me something someone else has told them regardless as to whether i am the subject matter or not, I begin to suspect them because obviously they are not capable I keeping confidences!! Regardless of their 'performances' ie inviting me out or to their house to dinner , I keep my distance
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Would you trust your friend if they told you something someone said about you?
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I was bullied by a female Virgo boss.

She was incredibly insecure and tore everyone down over their physical appearance. She did it in public.

I don't know why cuz she looked like a four eyed, flat assed cabbage patch face fuck.
Always made me wonder how people like that get in the positions they get into, let alone run a business or be In charge. **shrugs**
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I guess they know how to interview their ass of.
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Just tell her you dnt like gossiping about people

Or tell her your not good at keeping secrets, and what people tells you always gets out.

Or when she says "well do you know so and so " just respond with "yeah that's my cousin,

So that will end her telling you anything because nobody ever gossips at work right
Yep. I stood up for my go workers who she was bad mouthing..

She seemed a bit surprised by my response.

I just dont get good vibes from her. Its safe to say that shes talked about me to other ppl. I mean im well respected at work and i think it makes her uneasy, maybe even jealous. I swear if i could have recorded that convo.

I just want to go on record saying that i have alot of respect for virgos.my virgo friend stood up for me and i will be forever grateful.
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Hmm...

I see some things in your posts that I want to address.

You said the work environment is open and friendly...which would mean there is a certain familiarity and comfort and being some boundaries are more..relaxed. That would explain why all 3 of you talk about people because in some work environments people are more relaxed with each other and familiarity brings a certain type of contempt. It doesn't have to be harmful either. However, if professional standards are to be upheld, all the parties you mentioned: you, virgo, gemini are unprofessional. Or you are all professional..according to the environment.

Secondly, you mentioned something along the line of "when someone back stabs my friends I will speak up". This brings sides to my mind, friends vs enemies. They are your work colleagues first and friends second.

I honestly think it's a combo of trust issues and an iddle mind being the devil's plaything. By that I mean you are either bored or are in one of those scorpio moon private investigation moods and it just so happened to be the Virgo. Some things just don't connect in this story for me. It seems some people get a pass for being friends in an open friendly environment, while others have to uphold some somber standards in the same environment or they are deemed untrustworthy.

I cannot pronounce on the Virgo being shady or not, because it seems like an environment with very relaxed boundaries so idk where her behavior falls in that. Had it been completely professional, my response would be different. It just seems like little work cliques.
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So i had a meeting with her today. I went in thinking how long it would take her to start gossiping.

Took bout 5 mins.

It was really disgusting to watch from an observing standpoint. I just went in there to see if i was being crazy or not.

She was very unnerving and a bit frightening. This lady scares the shit outta me. Shes good, no very good at deceiving and manipulating people. However i see this shit clear as day.

She was fishing for information hardcore and i wanted to see what would happen if i just sat there and listened. Just nodded my head and took notes. Im not giving her any opportunity to use my words aganist me.

She was telling me about all the employees she wanted to fire and why. People i do and dont work with. How she dislikes negativity and drama. Meanwhile shes in the middle of it.

One thing that really stuck out to me was her behavior toward one employee, my libra coworker. Yes everyone has room for improvement but she was painting the libra to be the worst employee ever, a mean girl, and she isnt. Totally fixated on getting her fired, speaking with a entitled attitude. Telling me she reports back to the head boss about everything we do and dont do. Telling me if she doesnt see the work who cares.

I literally felt like she was trying to passively aggressively bully me on the low. She would go "but im not talking about you" many times when she would talk about perceived behavior.

It was really sickening to watch and hear. She couldnt say shit bout my work tho. My shit is top notch. We spent like 10 mins actually speaking about my role. The rest was about the libra girl and other employees. She sure does love hearing herself talk. Shes exhausting.

We had a second meeting that afternoon with her boss and a few others. Interestingly enough, her bully attitude was gone. The pretentious attitude was no where to be found. Actually she didnt say not one damn word.


Im taking the advice here and doing nothing. This lady is a snake in the grass and dangerous. Operates in deception and is incredibly manipulative.
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she just wants everyone to be on her side, she just wants approval which means she has no loyalty. I really cant stand this about virgos. they will gossip at work and try to be all sneaky but people can see right through them...
The thing is she is on the offense about gaining approval.
She doesnt really give people the opportunity to warm up to her.

Like she wants to be everyones confidant immediately.

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Is she trying to see whose loyal and who isnt?

Do you think she's talking about me behind my back and others arent saying anything me—
probably both of these.

the best thing you can do for yourself is stay out of the drama entirely. anything she tells you keep to yourself and never repeat anything you overhear from others.
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Straight up.

This is messy
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She's testing loyalty.
Agreed.
She's testing y'all.
Virgos are even better than Scorpios at manipulating.
Real talk.
and the purpose would be? lol they're manipulative, but not that bright


its the epitome of idiot icy to behave like this in the workplace
You would have to ask her. I just know they plot and plan things out 24/7. And do things on purpose. Leave booby traps and shit.
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I swear she did this to me the other day.

Shes good
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She's testing loyalty.
interesting way of doing that by talking smack about everyone, knowing we're all friends.
it's been done before by my Virgo ex boss.

It's called "divide and rule".

She knows for sure that you guys talk amongst yourselves about her. Especially her talking shit about everyone.

But when it comes to crunch time - that's when the results of the test will come to fruition.
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I can 100% attest to this.

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She is your boss though ...just keep on her good side.

But tell everyone the shit she has been saying :-P see if they say stuff she has been saying about you back!
That will do no good. She goes into like a mini fit when she sees employees having a private discussion. Rightfully so she thinks theyre talking bout her and shes right.

When your good and positive you dont have to worry about what ppl are saying but when youre not ppl are going to share their fears with each other.

She can clearly see that she makes people uncomfortable.
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She's testing loyalty.
Agreed.
She's testing y'all.
Virgos are even better than Scorpios at manipulating.
Real talk.
and the purpose would be? lol they're manipulative, but not that bright


its the epitome of idiot icy to behave like this in the workplace
You would have to ask her. I just know they plot and plan things out 24/7. And do things on purpose. Leave booby traps and shit.
I swear she did this to me the other day.

Shes good
Carly Fioroni is a pathological liar and Virgo!

Watch out. This chick will lie herself out of things.

Master? Looooool. Aren't there any Caps or crabs in your office? How are they handling her?
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I havent talked to the cap girl. Dont know if i will. I just wanna stay out of the drama. Let the virgo play with someone else.
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On the plus side she doesn't own the company, so her sphere of influence and methods of manipulation are restricted.
I think mgmt aka her boss is wanting to take a smaller roll so she has their support right now.

Which means im really going to keep my head down.

Its super tense.
What does that mean? Her boss will be around?

Tense why? This doesn't sound good for moral or productivity
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Well the virgo has forbid all employees from going directly to her boss for anything. Every one must go through her first.

She was tickled by the fact thatvshe was the only one who could speak tobthe main boss so we should do exactly as she said or else.

My words do no justice for how weird and twisted her conversation was.
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On the plus side she doesn't own the company, so her sphere of influence and methods of manipulation are restricted.
I think mgmt aka her boss is wanting to take a smaller roll so she has their support right now.

Which means im really going to keep my head down.

Its super tense.
That does not sound like fun. Explode the tension. Sacrifice them all!

Seriously though my virgo dad is like the most straightforward person hates that crap.
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My virgo friend is nothing like the behavior im describing from my boss.
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