Damnata
@Damnata
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RIP Aura...
Big hugs again. I am sorry for your loss and let me know if you need anything. She knows you are thinking about her. My heart goes out to you girl.
The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.
Amen.
RIP
Amen.
RIP
I saw the article on this.
Utterly insane and tragic.
My condolences.
Utterly insane and tragic.
My condolences.
You have my deepest sympathies and condolences. Sorry for your loss. R.I.P. aura
I am still in awe how 5 people who survived, one of whom got off basically unhurt..all of them doctors and none had hypotermia at all.
Something is really wrong here. That guy looks guilty as fuck in all interviews. I bet they tried to free the pilot, thinking her wounds weren't that severe. She stood there for 7 hours in the cold, clinging on to life despite all her wounds, hoping someone will come up and rescue her. This is a horrific way to go.
Thank you everyone.
Something is really wrong here. That guy looks guilty as fuck in all interviews. I bet they tried to free the pilot, thinking her wounds weren't that severe. She stood there for 7 hours in the cold, clinging on to life despite all her wounds, hoping someone will come up and rescue her. This is a horrific way to go.
Thank you everyone.
Romanian minister of internal affairs "The only thing I'm sorry about is that it happened while I'm minister"
How can you even say that?
How can you even say that?
@ PHV Her long time friend.
Hope you are doing better today.
🙂
Hope you are doing better today.
🙂
Posted by Damnata
I am still in awe how 5 people who survived, one of whom got off basically unhurt..all of them doctors and none had hypotermia at all.
Something is really wrong here. That guy looks guilty as fuck in all interviews. I bet they tried to free the pilot, thinking her wounds weren't that severe. She stood there for 7 hours in the cold, clinging on to life despite all her wounds, hoping someone will come up and rescue her. This is a horrific way to go.
Thank you everyone.
The body does strange things when it goes into shock.
I'm just baffled that knowing they were doctors that they were not able to treat her more effectively. But if she had any internal bleeding, there wasn't much they could do out there in regard to that. :/
Posted by rockyroadicecreamPosted by Damnata
I am still in awe how 5 people who survived, one of whom got off basically unhurt..all of them doctors and none had hypotermia at all.
Something is really wrong here. That guy looks guilty as fuck in all interviews. I bet they tried to free the pilot, thinking her wounds weren't that severe. She stood there for 7 hours in the cold, clinging on to life despite all her wounds, hoping someone will come up and rescue her. This is a horrific way to go.
Thank you everyone.
The body does strange things when it goes into shock.
I'm just baffled that knowing they were doctors that they were not able to treat her more effectively. But if she had any internal bleeding, there wasn't much they could do out there in regard to that. :/click to expand
See that's the thing, the autopsy came back and she died of hypotermia. She had multiple fractures but she pushed through the pain for 7 hours. It was cold and incompetence that got to her in the end which is something I didn't think could happen in the 21st century
Posted by Ixion120
Sincerest condolences for you and Aura's other loved ones' loss.
I hope and pray that peace that transcends all understanding will envelope you and her family in these hard times.
Do not descend into despair, celebrate her life.
I second this
Agreed. I don't get how they wouldn't be able to help her from that.
I brought up shock because maybe that compounded with the cold may have made it more severe.
HOWEVER, they should have been able to treat it as best they could.
I brought up shock because maybe that compounded with the cold may have made it more severe.
HOWEVER, they should have been able to treat it as best they could.
As more details emerge, it is becoming increasingly frustrating to get to the truth. Only she would have known what happened.
Apparently the 5 who survived managed to get a fire going on and stood around it. They left her unmoved where she was thrown from the plane. She's the only one who had severe hypotermia. Something is not right here. The guy who got off just with some scratches seems mad guilty in all the interviews. I thought it was survivor's guilt but something is off.
He said he checked for her pulse the minutes after the impact..and that she was died. Yet the team of locals who climbed up the mountain and the two emergency teams who followed found her alive but unconscious.
Apparently the 5 who survived managed to get a fire going on and stood around it. They left her unmoved where she was thrown from the plane. She's the only one who had severe hypotermia. Something is not right here. The guy who got off just with some scratches seems mad guilty in all the interviews. I thought it was survivor's guilt but something is off.
He said he checked for her pulse the minutes after the impact..and that she was died. Yet the team of locals who climbed up the mountain and the two emergency teams who followed found her alive but unconscious.
Were all the others men?
Yes.
The Aries thinks it was a "do what can to survive" type of scenario, which is specific to people stranded on the mountain. He thinks they hogged all the blankets and thought she was dead.
The Aries thinks it was a "do what can to survive" type of scenario, which is specific to people stranded on the mountain. He thinks they hogged all the blankets and thought she was dead.
Pfft. Just knowing they were guys and left her where she was doesn't surprise me. Still a lot of old school thinking around the world. Freaking ridiculous.
sorry to hear about your friend 😢, she sounded like a very caring individual. You just weren't lucky to know her, but the world was as well.
I only know english, but is it good or bad that people are resigning, because of the rescue effort?
Not really. They're all throwing blame on each other and resigning because of political influence.
I'm waiting for the real culprits to be nominated and for the legal inquiry in the accident to begin.
I'm waiting for the real culprits to be nominated and for the legal inquiry in the accident to begin.
Posted by TheProphetProdigy
Sorry for your lost I now how it feels to lose friends trust me I still have holes in my heart from their departure. Please stay strong.
* loss
Who's Aura?
A very dear friend of mine P.
She died in a plane crash..actually survived the crash and died 8 hours later of cold because the rescue teams couldn't get to her in time. They had the exact GPS coordonates and stood on their asses while her life was drifting away.
She died in a plane crash..actually survived the crash and died 8 hours later of cold because the rescue teams couldn't get to her in time. They had the exact GPS coordonates and stood on their asses while her life was drifting away.
Posted by seraph
I'm so sorry for your loss, Damnata. Stay strong.
I'm hell bent on seeing justice for this case.
How tragic .... well, thank goodness she has people who will put focus on her to honor her.
People do shocking things when they are afraid ... things that don't really represent their true character.
I even read a newspaper two days ago that claimed she was fucking one of the pilots at the time.
I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but I cannot step aside and let morons tarnish her image.
I'll probably use this thread as a sounding board - to post all details I can find in one place and look through evidence. There's a lot still unanswered.
I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but I cannot step aside and let morons tarnish her image.
I'll probably use this thread as a sounding board - to post all details I can find in one place and look through evidence. There's a lot still unanswered.
Something must have happened on that mountain. 5 of the survivors had no signs of cold, one escaped without bruises.
Hopefully, once the shock of the whole ordeal has worn off, and the survivors can come back to their senses ... they will be able to give testimony to the actual events .... speculation will only drive you mad.
I'm waiting for the entire picture yes.
Meanwhile, I remember how sarcastic and funny she was. I can't even cry about it anymore.
It hasn't snowed here all winter and in one of my last conversations with her I was pissed off over it since I love winter. She hated it. So in my deluded/in denial mind, I'm thinking the heavy snow over the last two days was a present from her.
Meanwhile, I remember how sarcastic and funny she was. I can't even cry about it anymore.
It hasn't snowed here all winter and in one of my last conversations with her I was pissed off over it since I love winter. She hated it. So in my deluded/in denial mind, I'm thinking the heavy snow over the last two days was a present from her.
Sorry for your loss.
I know what its like to lose close friends.
I know what its like to lose close friends.
Posted by Damnata
I'm waiting for the entire picture yes.
Meanwhile, I remember how sarcastic and funny she was. I can't even cry about it anymore.
It hasn't snowed here all winter and in one of my last conversations with her I was pissed off over it since I love winter. She hated it. So in my deluded/in denial mind, I'm thinking the heavy snow over the last two days was a present from her.
hugs.
Glad you got to enjoy the snow hun and it's not deluded.
Posted by mrdesperado
Damnata sometimes things just happen at the right time to comfort you. Maybe next she'll make it hail popcorn on those rat bazterd journalists 🙂. Inside joke, hopefully you at least smile.
Any new news yet?
Yes, another doctor got out of the hospital. The one who escaped without bruises said my friend was unconscious from the impact. This guy says she was conscious, couldn't move her limbs and cried for help for 5 hours, calling them, her family, her friends.
I hoped she would fall asleep from the cold/ fall unconscious but knowing she was lucid and crying for help breaks my heart. She must have been in a lot of pain.
Still being patient until everyone is out of the hospital and we get to know more. The media is going in circles so far.
I hoped she would fall asleep from the cold/ fall unconscious but knowing she was lucid and crying for help breaks my heart. She must have been in a lot of pain.
Still being patient until everyone is out of the hospital and we get to know more. The media is going in circles so far.
Posted by Damnata
Yes, another doctor got out of the hospital. The one who escaped without bruises said my friend was unconscious from the impact.
This guy says she was conscious, couldn't move her limbs and cried for help for 5 hours, calling them, her family, her friends.
How bizarre that there are conflicting statements.
Who is this other guy who said she was conscious for 5 hours?
Stands to reason that if she was conscious, and the doctor did nothing about it, then he would have to lie to save his ass from not doing anything.
On the other hand .... it would be logical to assume that if they were hiding something, then they would all have the same testimony. So since it's conflicting, it probably wasn't for malicious intent.
I haven't read anything about it, and would like to ..... do you have a link?
Yes, I was hoping they'd have the same testimony, it would give strength to my theory they were all in on it, whatever the it was. There are still a lot of details missing.
First doctor Radu Zamfir got off the plane with merely bruises. He was allegedly wearing his motorcycle gear and his helmet, which is why the impact didn't harm him like the others. He gave a lot of interviews immediately after, some of which are contradictory. I thought it was the shock.
Let me look for articles. Still waiting on the timeline so I can translate it to English and post it here.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/romania-interior-minister-quits-over-crash-rescue/2014/01/23/0b81703c-8426-11e3-a273-6ffd9cf9f4ba_story.html<BR>
First doctor Radu Zamfir got off the plane with merely bruises. He was allegedly wearing his motorcycle gear and his helmet, which is why the impact didn't harm him like the others. He gave a lot of interviews immediately after, some of which are contradictory. I thought it was the shock.
Let me look for articles. Still waiting on the timeline so I can translate it to English and post it here.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/romania-interior-minister-quits-over-crash-rescue/2014/01/23/0b81703c-8426-11e3-a273-6ffd9cf9f4ba_story.html<BR>
BUCHAREST, Romania — A small plane crash on a remote mountain wouldn't normally be enough to anger an entire country or threaten the government. Romania, however, is dealing with just this scenario.
So far, four senior officials including the interior minister have resigned or been fired after all those onboard a medical flight initially survived Monday??s crash in thick fog. One of the pilots and a medical student later died of hypothermia among other causes after waiting for hours in deep snow to be saved.
Romanians reacted with fury, taking to social media and talk shows to accuse the government of incompetence and complacency after it emerged the least injured of the survivors called emergency services six times.
It took 4 ?_ hours for local villagers and a woodcutter to locate the plane in Transylvania after it lost altitude and crashed at 1,400 meters (4,600 feet) above sea level. But medical teams arrived hours later and were reportedly ill-equipped. The plane, carrying two pilots and five medical workers, was on its way to pick up a liver for a transplant.
—The government generally does nothing, and in this case they did nothing to locate the plane. A woodcutter had to find them,?? aviation professor Nicolae Serban Tomescu said. —The rescue operation was like Swiss cheese. There were holes everywhere.??
But some officials have defended the government's response to the crash, saying rescuers were working in difficult weather conditions and in darkness.
Nonetheless, public ire has reached a crescendo because many believe the government was unable to muster up-to-date equipment to rescue the crash victims, but is willing to invest its resources heavily on surveillance. Romania, a country of 19 million with no foreign enemies, has seven intelligence agencies, including the main domestic and foreign spying agencies. Democracy activists claim that those in power use intelligence to gain unfair advantages over opponents and dig up compromising data.
A political cartoon on the front page of Romanian daily Jurnalul National on Wednesday suggested the crash victims would have been found sooner if someone on the flight had been under surveillance. The caricature had two well-equipped secret agents joking, —How the hell can we locate the crashed airplane? Hmm, had there been a journalist, a deputy or a Senator on it, well . !!!??
So far, four senior officials including the interior minister have resigned or been fired after all those onboard a medical flight initially survived Monday??s crash in thick fog. One of the pilots and a medical student later died of hypothermia among other causes after waiting for hours in deep snow to be saved.
Romanians reacted with fury, taking to social media and talk shows to accuse the government of incompetence and complacency after it emerged the least injured of the survivors called emergency services six times.
It took 4 ?_ hours for local villagers and a woodcutter to locate the plane in Transylvania after it lost altitude and crashed at 1,400 meters (4,600 feet) above sea level. But medical teams arrived hours later and were reportedly ill-equipped. The plane, carrying two pilots and five medical workers, was on its way to pick up a liver for a transplant.
—The government generally does nothing, and in this case they did nothing to locate the plane. A woodcutter had to find them,?? aviation professor Nicolae Serban Tomescu said. —The rescue operation was like Swiss cheese. There were holes everywhere.??
But some officials have defended the government's response to the crash, saying rescuers were working in difficult weather conditions and in darkness.
Nonetheless, public ire has reached a crescendo because many believe the government was unable to muster up-to-date equipment to rescue the crash victims, but is willing to invest its resources heavily on surveillance. Romania, a country of 19 million with no foreign enemies, has seven intelligence agencies, including the main domestic and foreign spying agencies. Democracy activists claim that those in power use intelligence to gain unfair advantages over opponents and dig up compromising data.
A political cartoon on the front page of Romanian daily Jurnalul National on Wednesday suggested the crash victims would have been found sooner if someone on the flight had been under surveillance. The caricature had two well-equipped secret agents joking, —How the hell can we locate the crashed airplane? Hmm, had there been a journalist, a deputy or a Senator on it, well . !!!??
There is also anger because the elite telecommunications agency — one of the seven intelligence agencies — invested 40 million euros in the country??s national emergency number, and the six calls one of the survivors made didn't appear to be enough to get help there quickly enough.
The blowback has taken its toll on the government, which is vying to win a presidential election in November. Interior Minister Radu Stroe handed in his resignation to the prime minister Thursday to become the highest-ranking government official to leave his post in the scandal. The country??s air traffic control chief, the head of the emergency services and another senior Interior Ministry official have also lost their jobs.
Prime Minister Victor Ponta fired two of those officials and called for the resignations of others not under his authority. Addressing the national mood Thursday, he used his strongest language to date pointing to —serious errors in the rescue operation ... particularly the techniques used for identifying the wreckage.?? He promised that in the future authorities would be —much more efficient.??
Ponta is also trying to save face because it was he who went on a talk show Monday evening to initially say all seven people on the flight had survived. Romanians had been glued to TV news bulletins, and the story was at first presented by the government as one with a happy ending.
—The pilot did everything he could to save their lives but the authorities were negligent,?? said Iuliana Popescu, a security guard. —Why did it take them so many hours? Even if they got lost, they should have got their earlier. Nobody had to die.??
But former emergency services chief Ion Burlui, who resigned Wednesday, said authorities had done their job properly in difficult conditions, including deep snow, dense fog and darkness.
—Winter is not like summer and the mountain is not like the plains,?? he said. —These people intervened ... risking their lives to save other people.??
The pilot who was killed, Adrian Iovan, had 30 years of experience and was well known in Romania as an aviation expert who went on TV whenever there was an accident. He died of hypothermia and from numerous fractures. Aurelia Ion, a 23-year-old volunteer medical student in her fifth year, died from hypothermia and multiple injuries.
The blowback has taken its toll on the government, which is vying to win a presidential election in November. Interior Minister Radu Stroe handed in his resignation to the prime minister Thursday to become the highest-ranking government official to leave his post in the scandal. The country??s air traffic control chief, the head of the emergency services and another senior Interior Ministry official have also lost their jobs.
Prime Minister Victor Ponta fired two of those officials and called for the resignations of others not under his authority. Addressing the national mood Thursday, he used his strongest language to date pointing to —serious errors in the rescue operation ... particularly the techniques used for identifying the wreckage.?? He promised that in the future authorities would be —much more efficient.??
Ponta is also trying to save face because it was he who went on a talk show Monday evening to initially say all seven people on the flight had survived. Romanians had been glued to TV news bulletins, and the story was at first presented by the government as one with a happy ending.
—The pilot did everything he could to save their lives but the authorities were negligent,?? said Iuliana Popescu, a security guard. —Why did it take them so many hours? Even if they got lost, they should have got their earlier. Nobody had to die.??
But former emergency services chief Ion Burlui, who resigned Wednesday, said authorities had done their job properly in difficult conditions, including deep snow, dense fog and darkness.
—Winter is not like summer and the mountain is not like the plains,?? he said. —These people intervened ... risking their lives to save other people.??
The pilot who was killed, Adrian Iovan, had 30 years of experience and was well known in Romania as an aviation expert who went on TV whenever there was an accident. He died of hypothermia and from numerous fractures. Aurelia Ion, a 23-year-old volunteer medical student in her fifth year, died from hypothermia and multiple injuries.
No official has said that their lives could have been saved if rescuers had arrived earlier, but many blame the slow response on their deaths.
Cristian Tudorica, a 36-year-old bank clerk, summed up the public mood.
—Those doctors were on the flight to save others,?? he said. —It is right that the (interior) minister resigned. These people should not have died.??
Copyright 2014 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
^^
This article appeared 3 days after the crash.
Cristian Tudorica, a 36-year-old bank clerk, summed up the public mood.
—Those doctors were on the flight to save others,?? he said. —It is right that the (interior) minister resigned. These people should not have died.??
Copyright 2014 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
^^
This article appeared 3 days after the crash.
I guess it's possible that she was so severely injured that they couldn't do anything to help her.
I wonder though ... the locals made it to the crash site, were they not able to carry her out? I know it's not their responsibility, since they aren't the rescue team, but, it would seem logical that human nature would kick in their compassionate traits and attempt to try and help her.
Was she the only female? Do you think her gender had something to do with it? I don't know about her culture ... are females not equal to men?
It's mind boggling that the rescue team was so non-chalant regarding the urgency of the situation. I was just commenting on another thread about how mankind, as a whole, are so barbaric. It's like, people just go about their business, only concerned for themselves.
I miss you so much..
It annoys me that the trial is going way too slow and now they're going to make an autopsy for the THIRD time, only to cover up that you did die due to the cold and the incompetence of the authorities. It's just this cover up that weighs heavily on my heart. I know I won't get to the bottom of what happened that day/night and it leaves a lot of unanswered questions in my mind.
I know you'd tell me to stop over thinking and to take life as it comes..it's just hard for me to do that when I think of the pain you were in on that mountain.
You'd be happy to know I stopped being selfish and clinging to your energy around me, I did let you go because I was keeping you by my side out of ego more than anything. I like going to your grave and laying there and talking out loud with you..remember a month ago when I was telling you some funny shit and that woman pulled her child closer to her because she saw me talking by myself? hahahaha..
My life changed for the better in a lot of ways..I know you'd be so happy to see me. And maybe you can actually see me and are making some snarky comments about me writing on DXP right now.
There are so many flowers on your grave all the time, you'd think with time and the media coverage fading away, people wouldn't come anymore. Remember how I told you people loved you so much? You never believed me. They did and still do.
I look through your sister's and brother's facebook pages a lot..I don't know why I do it? They are the only link I have with you now. And some nights I break down all over again. Wish I could find that guy you were in love with but you never mentioned his name, then again it's not my place to find him and tell him about it.
I am so grateful you crossed paths with me in this life...like you said..people never meet up for no reason.
It annoys me that the trial is going way too slow and now they're going to make an autopsy for the THIRD time, only to cover up that you did die due to the cold and the incompetence of the authorities. It's just this cover up that weighs heavily on my heart. I know I won't get to the bottom of what happened that day/night and it leaves a lot of unanswered questions in my mind.
I know you'd tell me to stop over thinking and to take life as it comes..it's just hard for me to do that when I think of the pain you were in on that mountain.
You'd be happy to know I stopped being selfish and clinging to your energy around me, I did let you go because I was keeping you by my side out of ego more than anything. I like going to your grave and laying there and talking out loud with you..remember a month ago when I was telling you some funny shit and that woman pulled her child closer to her because she saw me talking by myself? hahahaha..
My life changed for the better in a lot of ways..I know you'd be so happy to see me. And maybe you can actually see me and are making some snarky comments about me writing on DXP right now.
There are so many flowers on your grave all the time, you'd think with time and the media coverage fading away, people wouldn't come anymore. Remember how I told you people loved you so much? You never believed me. They did and still do.
I look through your sister's and brother's facebook pages a lot..I don't know why I do it? They are the only link I have with you now. And some nights I break down all over again. Wish I could find that guy you were in love with but you never mentioned his name, then again it's not my place to find him and tell him about it.
I am so grateful you crossed paths with me in this life...like you said..people never meet up for no reason.
Damnata,
I'm sorry for your loss. I wish I can comfort you and give you a hug or lend my shoulder for you to cry on. I'm sure she wants you to be happy and strong and that's exactly who you are to me. Hugs!!!
I'm sorry for your loss. I wish I can comfort you and give you a hug or lend my shoulder for you to cry on. I'm sure she wants you to be happy and strong and that's exactly who you are to me. Hugs!!!
Thank you.
Ofc I have to be strong, she was an Aries, she'd slap me 😄
Ofc I have to be strong, she was an Aries, she'd slap me 😄
Posted by Damnata
Thank you.
Ofc I have to be strong, she was an Aries, she'd slap me 😄
Yes she would! Stay strong in her honor!
Hope they figure out the truth here..
I doubt she was in that much pain .... her mind would have went into shock and closed off those nerve endings.
You don't sound like she was a friend ... it sounds like you were in love with her.
I'm glad you are trying to let her go .... her soul deserves to be set free.
Posted by P-Angel
I'm glad you are trying to let her go .... her soul deserves to be set free.
Exactly my mindset P.
And yes, I was in love with everything she was.
Posted by P-Angel
I doubt she was in that much pain .... her mind would have went into shock and closed off those nerve endings.
You don't sound like she was a friend ... it sounds like you were in love with her.
Didn't think of the nerve endings. All I know from the other survivors is that she cried and called for her family and friends..but this would've been out of shock more than anything.
@Damnata: Love Aries girls, they are so strong and courageous. I'm lucky I met one already and we are fast friends. My Dad is Aries and he is always so cheerful, no matter what.
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I'm sure you're somewhere at the great pizza parlor in the sky, having a beer and a pizza on me. I'll be you shortly, my friend. But until then, I won't let a day go by without keeping you in my thoughts.