Milani
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Virgos - Manipulative?
Yes, Virgos are perceived as manipulative and for good reason since they often are.
Changing your approach to achieve an outcome you desire...like you did when you came off too strong to dialing down to soften it...is manipulation. The focus wasn't on the topic anymore as much as it was to soothe this person which is interpreted as rendering them compliant to your desired outcome.
I'd argue that manipulation with Virgos is seldom derived out of malice though. To me that's a distinction that has to be made.
Changing your approach to achieve an outcome you desire...like you did when you came off too strong to dialing down to soften it...is manipulation. The focus wasn't on the topic anymore as much as it was to soothe this person which is interpreted as rendering them compliant to your desired outcome.
I'd argue that manipulation with Virgos is seldom derived out of malice though. To me that's a distinction that has to be made.
I think there is always a form of paranoia amongst other signs when one comes across a virgo.
I know I use to be accused of being manipulative.... In reality they never noticed when I was and grew far too suspicious when I wasn't.
There aren't many times I ever needed to be manipulative.
Reverse child psychology works best for the majority when ppl are stubborn.
Regardless... ppl throw around the word "manipulation" like it's the common cold really just due to ignorance and insecurity.
I know I use to be accused of being manipulative.... In reality they never noticed when I was and grew far too suspicious when I wasn't.
There aren't many times I ever needed to be manipulative.
Reverse child psychology works best for the majority when ppl are stubborn.
Regardless... ppl throw around the word "manipulation" like it's the common cold really just due to ignorance and insecurity.
Nah virgos aren't manipulative. If they are then they suck at it. Manipulation requires skill and certain tone which virgos cannot do because they are so blunt and to the point . Don't let him tell you who you are or what you are. You already know about you. If you think you're not manipulative then you're not. Even if he says you're beautiful, don't think you are cuz he said so, just know that you are.
Virgo is driven to to improve, you care about the people around you so your motivated to to improve them.
If you first don't succeed, they can always get more crafty in their pursuit of improvement, so they can improve their tactics if they don't work the 1st or 15th time.
That persistence can become manipulative.
IJS I see virgo's try to hide their intentions to meet an objective.
If you first don't succeed, they can always get more crafty in their pursuit of improvement, so they can improve their tactics if they don't work the 1st or 15th time.
That persistence can become manipulative.
IJS I see virgo's try to hide their intentions to meet an objective.
or what nata already said
Posted by uchihaYeah but the question isn't how good at it we are cuz I'd agree we aren't good at it that much or at all tbf.
If they are then they suck at it.
But if you don't agree that a sign that looks at the world through a system and tries to fit/categorize/discriminate according to that system is prone to manipulation..then idk man. Introspection and all that.
Wow, you all made me feel a lot better about the situation and how I feel. It tore at me and worried me that maybe I was manipulative. It worried me so much (Virgo trait?) that I went and took an online quiz to see if I was... Results said I wasn't.
Its really a huge relief to have others that understand you.
Thank you,
Milani
Its really a huge relief to have others that understand you.
Thank you,
Milani
Posted by JohnTheBaptist100Taurus is just as naive as a sag let's be honest here.. The only difference is one needs a bit more befriending then the other.
BIG TIME and very "demure" with it too ie when you see their manipulation and you call them out on it and they know they have been caught out, they then smile in a really "butter wouldn't melt in your mouth" batting eyelash way and start to giggle and blush so that you cant be mad with them.. Very subtle.
My mother does this ALL the time but Taurus can see straight through that bs and is taking NO prisoners... they can do that with a sag though and get away with it... in fact a sag cant handle a virgo! lol lol
Posted by WeedsThat is just a blatant false statement. Virgo's even with all their tactics still lack the tact to charm and lead a Taurus to change. Most every manipulation no matter how crafty is seen as pushy an gets pushed back.Posted by JohnTheBaptist100Taurus is just as naive as a sag let's be honest here.. The only difference is one needs a bit more befriending then the other.
BIG TIME and very "demure" with it too ie when you see their manipulation and you call them out on it and they know they have been caught out, they then smile in a really "butter wouldn't melt in your mouth" batting eyelash way and start to giggle and blush so that you cant be mad with them.. Very subtle.
My mother does this ALL the time but Taurus can see straight through that bs and is taking NO prisoners... they can do that with a sag though and get away with it... in fact a sag cant handle a virgo! lol lol
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Posted by AstrobynLol all I have to say is "ponzi scheme" and guess which sign is first to jump onboard?Posted by WeedsThat is just a blatant false statement. Virgo's even with all their tactics still lack the tact to charm and lead a Taurus to change. Most every manipulation no matter how crafty is seen as pushy an gets pushed back.Posted by JohnTheBaptist100Taurus is just as naive as a sag let's be honest here.. The only difference is one needs a bit more befriending then the other.
BIG TIME and very "demure" with it too ie when you see their manipulation and you call them out on it and they know they have been caught out, they then smile in a really "butter wouldn't melt in your mouth" batting eyelash way and start to giggle and blush so that you cant be mad with them.. Very subtle.
My mother does this ALL the time but Taurus can see straight through that bs and is taking NO prisoners... they can do that with a sag though and get away with it... in fact a sag cant handle a virgo! lol lol
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Posted by WeedsPosted by AstrobynLol all I have to say is "ponzi scheme" and guess which sign is first to jump onboard?Posted by WeedsThat is just a blatant false statement. Virgo's even with all their tactics still lack the tact to charm and lead a Taurus to change. Most every manipulation no matter how crafty is seen as pushy an gets pushed back.Posted by JohnTheBaptist100Taurus is just as naive as a sag let's be honest here.. The only difference is one needs a bit more befriending then the other.
BIG TIME and very "demure" with it too ie when you see their manipulation and you call them out on it and they know they have been caught out, they then smile in a really "butter wouldn't melt in your mouth" batting eyelash way and start to giggle and blush so that you cant be mad with them.. Very subtle.
My mother does this ALL the time but Taurus can see straight through that bs and is taking NO prisoners... they can do that with a sag though and get away with it... in fact a sag cant handle a virgo! lol lol
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First sign to jump on board? You mean which sign is more likely to be running it?
We all know that when a Taurus wants to rule and manipulate the masses there is no other sign that can compete.
Posted by AstrobynFinance is a particular interesting form of manipulation and is reserved to those that already have it. Bern was a fall guy.Posted by WeedsPosted by AstrobynLol all I have to say is "ponzi scheme" and guess which sign is first to jump onboard?Posted by WeedsThat is just a blatant false statement. Virgo's even with all their tactics still lack the tact to charm and lead a Taurus to change. Most every manipulation no matter how crafty is seen as pushy an gets pushed back.Posted by JohnTheBaptist100Taurus is just as naive as a sag let's be honest here.. The only difference is one needs a bit more befriending then the other.
BIG TIME and very "demure" with it too ie when you see their manipulation and you call them out on it and they know they have been caught out, they then smile in a really "butter wouldn't melt in your mouth" batting eyelash way and start to giggle and blush so that you cant be mad with them.. Very subtle.
My mother does this ALL the time but Taurus can see straight through that bs and is taking NO prisoners... they can do that with a sag though and get away with it... in fact a sag cant handle a virgo! lol lol
First sign to jump on board? You mean which sign is more likely to be running it?
We all know that when a Taurus wants to rule and manipulate the masses there is no other sign that can compete.
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Posted by WeedsPosted by AstrobynFinance is a particular interesting form of manipulation and is reserved to those that already have it. Bern was a fall guy.Posted by WeedsPosted by AstrobynLol all I have to say is "ponzi scheme" and guess which sign is first to jump onboard?Posted by WeedsThat is just a blatant false statement. Virgo's even with all their tactics still lack the tact to charm and lead a Taurus to change. Most every manipulation no matter how crafty is seen as pushy an gets pushed back.Posted by JohnTheBaptist100Taurus is just as naive as a sag let's be honest here.. The only difference is one needs a bit more befriending then the other.
BIG TIME and very "demure" with it too ie when you see their manipulation and you call them out on it and they know they have been caught out, they then smile in a really "butter wouldn't melt in your mouth" batting eyelash way and start to giggle and blush so that you cant be mad with them.. Very subtle.
My mother does this ALL the time but Taurus can see straight through that bs and is taking NO prisoners... they can do that with a sag though and get away with it... in fact a sag cant handle a virgo! lol lol
First sign to jump on board? You mean which sign is more likely to be running it?
We all know that when a Taurus wants to rule and manipulate the masses there is no other sign that can compete.
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STFU
Yes, I think they are. But, it is much much different from other people.
To think in this term, means you are defining it in terms in which is applied across the board, but, that cannot be here ...... the intent is different.
Virgos are so simple minded (not a bad way, in a simplistic way, not complications) that their intent when manipulating someone isn't with nefarious intent, they are simply trying to arrive at the conclusion a different way.
so, when you look at other people and apply being manipulative ... you can't look at a Virgo the same way.
They aren't trying to twist, turn and maneuver the other for purposes of being self serving .. and that is the ONLY reason other people do it, they want to personally benefit, and so twist you around to get it.
That can't be applied here ..... the Virgo merely looks for clarification, and so has to approach other avenues to get the results.
@OP - This is what, the 3rd post referencing the Libra guy? Honestly, you are starting to sound a little crazy to me, bringing him up so much. This obsessiveness on your part, probably is shown IRL as well. Calm down, if you don't want to be seen as clingy and crazy.
Now on to the topic, Virgo is one of the mutable signs, which means they adapt readily. HOWEVER, it is usually never with a malicious intent, not like some Scorpios can be. I have never seen it as a negative aspect about Virgos.
Now on to the topic, Virgo is one of the mutable signs, which means they adapt readily. HOWEVER, it is usually never with a malicious intent, not like some Scorpios can be. I have never seen it as a negative aspect about Virgos.
Posted by nikkistarGirl, I dropped him and moved on. :-)
@OP - This is what, the 3rd post referencing the Libra guy? Honestly, you are starting to sound a little crazy to me, bringing him up so much. This obsessiveness on your part, probably is shown IRL as well. Calm down, if you don't want to be seen as clingy and crazy.
Now on to the topic, Virgo is one of the mutable signs, which means they adapt readily. HOWEVER, it is usually never with a malicious intent, not like some Scorpios can be. I have never seen it as a negative aspect about Virgos.
yes, when they want to be they can be very good at manipulation.
Virgos tend to test those around them. They are looking to gain understanding and . Virgos can also change and adapt to those around them to better suits their needs and the needs of the group. To a Virgo this just seems practical as it creates less conflict.
Certain signs will see this as manipulative since a Virgo could take one stance, then seemingly another, or none at all. For example an Aries who is all about action, impulse, and drive may feel uncomfortable with a Virgo's calculating "let's wait and see" mentality. This isn't altogether dissimilar from a Libra's balancing act, except a Virgo's actions seem to have a more of an ulterior motive. Libra's have their charm to dissuade anyone from being suspicious of their motives, while Virgos may have a more quiet, shy, or nagging demeanor.
Certain signs will see this as manipulative since a Virgo could take one stance, then seemingly another, or none at all. For example an Aries who is all about action, impulse, and drive may feel uncomfortable with a Virgo's calculating "let's wait and see" mentality. This isn't altogether dissimilar from a Libra's balancing act, except a Virgo's actions seem to have a more of an ulterior motive. Libra's have their charm to dissuade anyone from being suspicious of their motives, while Virgos may have a more quiet, shy, or nagging demeanor.
Posted by ChuckcemThis makes sense to me. Thank you!
Virgos tend to test those around them. They are looking to gain understanding and . Virgos can also change and adapt to those around them to better suits their needs and the needs of the group. To a Virgo this just seems practical as it creates less conflict.
Certain signs will see this as manipulative since a Virgo could take one stance, then seemingly another, or none at all. For example an Aries who is all about action, impulse, and drive may feel uncomfortable with a Virgo's calculating "let's wait and see" mentality. This isn't altogether dissimilar from a Libra's balancing act, except a Virgo's actions seem to have a more of an ulterior motive. Libra's have their charm to dissuade anyone from being suspicious of their motives, while Virgos may have a more quiet, shy, or nagging demeanor.
Posted by cheekyfaerieI said at one time in my life to a female that certain virgo guys all ways keep control even when you do not know it.
Yeah, but you hardly own the patent on it.
Two examples off the toppa my head...
He's manipulated response times so he didn't have to tell me no.
He's paid my half of something, at least in small part, so he could have greater control of our itinerary.
I'm sure though faeriecheeky, he told you why he was paying.... before hand or during the act. Just be ready to jump as I'm sure you are.
I think some virgos just know how to get what they want and when they want it. It's what they are good at.
I don't think virgo are manipulative. They are calculating and strategically trying to minimize unfavorable outcome.
I have tendency to have manipulative thoughts and I can feel that it is from my strong scorpio rising and not virgo. I can never act out on my manipulative and vengeance thoughts, i just sometime think "if it played out like that I would be so happy " sort of thoughts. My mom is also a virgo and she's not manipulative at all , she's just cautious. When you're cautious you don't take things too serious, and when you don't let things get to you it drives the other person crazy coming off as minipulative.
A form of manipulation if any that i think a virgo would use is manipulating people in their lives so that they do what the virgo feel is in their best interest. Ex: manipulating a kid who doesn't want to go to college into wanting to go to college, Manipulating a teenager into eventually believing that their teenage love will not last so don't get too serious.
Ex: i have successfully "manipulated" an ex to switch from communication major to business. He didn't know what he was going to do with the communication major anyways so bit by bit i talked about the future and how one day opening a small business would allow him to not work under a boss. he hated his boss at work.
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Taurus seem so strong and grounded but most of the time, they lack direction . They are naive if you ever ask them about their futures and dreams, its always all over the place and unplanned.
I have tendency to have manipulative thoughts and I can feel that it is from my strong scorpio rising and not virgo. I can never act out on my manipulative and vengeance thoughts, i just sometime think "if it played out like that I would be so happy " sort of thoughts. My mom is also a virgo and she's not manipulative at all , she's just cautious. When you're cautious you don't take things too serious, and when you don't let things get to you it drives the other person crazy coming off as minipulative.
A form of manipulation if any that i think a virgo would use is manipulating people in their lives so that they do what the virgo feel is in their best interest. Ex: manipulating a kid who doesn't want to go to college into wanting to go to college, Manipulating a teenager into eventually believing that their teenage love will not last so don't get too serious.
Ex: i have successfully "manipulated" an ex to switch from communication major to business. He didn't know what he was going to do with the communication major anyways so bit by bit i talked about the future and how one day opening a small business would allow him to not work under a boss. he hated his boss at work.
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Taurus seem so strong and grounded but most of the time, they lack direction . They are naive if you ever ask them about their futures and dreams, its always all over the place and unplanned.
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