What are they thinking?

Hello Again.
Im back to ask another question.
By now I've heard the stories about virgos disappearing and withdrawing. I have even experienced this myself - once, and now a 2nd time.
This action is completely foreign to me, I can't understand it at all.
My question is; what are they thinking when this happens? Do they care what I might be thinking and feeling? do they suffer any condemnation in their consciousness. not that what they are doing is evil or done with malicious intent, its just that it leaves the other person thinking, what the fuck went wrong? was it something I said, or did? did I offend you? was it even me? (btw, as far as I know I did nothing wrong)
I don't understand how they go on the merry way and not think and wonder what that other person might be thinking. do they think that suddenly we don't care about them, and we have switched off our emotions and turned our back on everything that has happened?
What is going on? They appear so self centered when this happens, and I don't want to view virgos in such a way, but Im really beginning to wonder....

does any of that make sense?

Any insight into this bizarre way of living would be helpful.

Same shit happened with the blue eyed virgo I dated very breifly. All super affectionate, fun to be around, wonderful. Then bam, changed his mind. Oh well. He was cute too, but it was for the best. Hes jobless at the moment. LOL.

I've had my fair share of disappearing acts. It depends on how patient and willing you are to wait for that person. From what I can tell, when they disappear, it's because they're dealing with their emotions logically. They have to take time to themselves and figure out what it is that they are feeling.

What got me by was not sitting around waiting for them. I'm not talking about seeing other people, I mean going to see a movie or to the mall or something. Find something to occupy your time or you will find yourself going crazy. LOL!

I'm by no means an expert on the dissappearing Virgo (I'm a Scorpio), but I have been dating one for the past 13 months and he just proposed to me on Christmas. Whatever positive thing they say or do, I suggest you hold on to it because there's no telling when they'll work up the nerve to do it again.

Virgos aren't bad at all ..... I think they're just cautious. Hell, wouldn't you be when it came to giving someone your heart? :O)

Mine has never disappeared on me, in all of our 26 years together ... however, a big difference is that I don't hold his emotions hostage to satisfy me, I don't attempt to inflict upon him any intense emotions that he isn't asking for to be bestowed upon him to carry for me because my personal emotions aren't a burden for me to have to attempt to force him to carry for me.

Outcome .... my Virgo has never gone MIA on me. In fact, when I do get emotional, or something is really bothering me .. he loyally stands by my side and nurtures me, never forsakes me during these times .. because he knows that if I'm upset about something, then it's a real upset for me .... for the simple fact that I don't let every little feeling that rises become an infliction upon him, and then hold these feelings against him because he didn't jump through hoops to nurture a feeling that didn't have to be a dramatic issue.

LovelyTune .. a Virgo man that I play poker with showed up the other night without his woman in tow, and so I asked him, the conversation went something like this ...


Me: "Where's your squeeze tonight, John"

Him: "45 fucking days straight, with no relief, Angie. .. (starts yelling) .. my god, can't I get ONE day to be by myself."

Me: "Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interfer" (it was obvious that my inquiry was stepping over the boundary)

Him: (his mood changed when he realized I wasn't meaning any harm, just curiousity) .. "It's ok, Angie. I didn't mean to get upset with you."

Me: "It's alright, you know .. you're allowed to be upset, John." (smiles, rubs shoulder)

***** side note: in dealing with a Virgo, it's a prudent move to express to them that it's ok to have feelings. If he yells at you, or gets critical with you, instead of getting defensive because how DARE him have bad feelings like so many women do .. to reach the Virgo, you have to ENCOURAGE him to express his feelings by giving him a sense of trust that it's ok to release these feelings with you because you understand that it's human nature to have bad feelings, and that's it's ok to let them out when needed.

Him: "It's just .. she doesn't give me any peace and quiet. She has to know everything I do. I feel so crowded." (frowns) "I really care about her, I do, she's so sweet."


*** texts goes off somewhere in the middle of our little talk, it's her, he grimaces and gives me a look of ... See?



The conversation was long, and even continued onto post-time, and those words aren't exact, rather the jist .... the point is, he cares about her, he really does, but, she doesn't let him live.

Numerous more times throughout the tournament, his phone went off, probably like every 20 minutes, and he ignored it. It was clearly evident how disturbed he was that he couldn't have a day to himself, and I was thinking to myself if she would just let him be, then he won't go MIA .. but, she is relentless, and we will escape.

*** when he talks about how much he likes her, he frowns, he looks sad ... the woman he really likes and wants to develop a relationship with puts so much pressure on him, demands control over his feelings by having to be privy of everything he does, says, feels ....


she doesn't let him live. I suspect John will soon bounce, and it's nothing he did wrong except want a life of his own, sometimes.

I do find it curious that the majority of females who have a problem with Virgo men are Scorpios ... these two are suppose to be a good combo.

And yet ... over the years I've been here, probably 50% of the women having issue with Virgo men have been Scorpio females.

That makes the rest of the other 11 women at like .... 4.5% each.

The woman in John's life, who won't let him have a day of life to himself is an Aqua, though.

"do they suffer any condemnation in their consciousness"


LovelyTune, that ^^^^ is a very emotionally controlling thing to infer, eventhough I know it's a question .. still, your mind would question the validity of this being present in him to ask it.

For a person, any person, to have a need to take some space away from another person, is reasonable/acceptable. And to do so, isn't going to make this person feel guilt, like they should say 10 hail mary's for daring to live.

Why on earth would your mind even think about whether he is condemning himself?


To me, a person who suffers with such intensity that they MUST know all the comings and goings of their partner ... is a bizzare way to live.


Question to you: Did you ever fess up to this man and tell him your real age?

So to surmise it, virgo men disappear when he needs to reflect or he's simply not as into it as the woman, wow wouldn't it be nice if these disappearing acts could be followed with a hey your great but I'm not that into it, I'm not ready, good luck....it's just really cold to leave someone hanging especially after making plans etc but I guess it's the risk one takes with these men.

My man doesn't do that, tiki.

If he needs to reflect in private, and needs space to do it, then he knows he can tell me he wants to be alone, and I let him.

Because of that ^^^ he won't just disappear on me without a word.

And I think this is the problem. When a man says he needs his space, the woman freaks out on him and takes it personally ... this is when he just disappears because he's going to take his space, like it or not .. as he should be allowed to do, as we all should be allowed to do.

But from what I'm reading correct me if I'm wrong, these men are just leaving with no explanation given and coming back when they choose, suffice it to say none of these men owe anyone anything but it just feels really awkward for a guy to leave without explanation, I mean if he feels the woman isn't a right fit, feels she's too into him and he can't reciprocate couldn't he say something rather than leave a woman hanging like that...just seems really immature to behave this way.

At least the virgos Ive dated had the courtesy to tell me "hey it aint working out!" I never met a dishonest virgo so far, they've all been pretty straight forward. Im going to have to agree with what p-angel has said so far. It makes sense to me. I guess it differs from person to person.

You'd have to read some history in here to have a full picture ... most times, these men have given a word to the women that they need space to contemplate and it's the women who freak out and think the man is meaning something against them.


With this particular situation ... this woman and man are online friends, and trying to develop a relationship without physical presence, and this is a difficult task for any person involved.

It's pert near impossible to get a full feel of how the other is regarding you .. you cannot measure care or concern in a genuine level without physical senses = tones, body language, facial expressions, etc.

I agree with you lovable_Pisces .. I've never encountered a situation where my Virgo man went without a word. Whenever he needs space away, and trust, he needs a lot of space, he has always told me ... and I let him be in his own head.

I see...I guess I was speaking more about the women who post about how hurt they were when virgo men up and disappear on them without so much as a word about anything being wrong, even Jason admitted behaving this way and has made a point to change this error-behavior...

Me too quite frankly.

LOL no you weren't you were being mean to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee LOL!

Another thing here with this situation .. there is a huge communication problem between the two of you.

And I cannot help but think about how when you first came in here to talk about this man, that you said because of your age difference, that you could not tell him how you felt about him, and that you can't figure out whether he is masking his feelings for you.

You said this in another thread about this ....

"I can't figure out whether he doesn't want to talk to me, or whether he is masking his feelings.
There is a 10 yr age diff between us, I am older. This is why I can't tell him how I feel about him."



If you cannot tell him how you feel because you are 30 and he is 20, then in essence, you are also masking your feelings about him, in which you fear he is masking his about you = two-way street here.

NOT ONE WAY !!!!


Now he's gone missing in action ... likely still unsure of how you feel about him if you haven't gained the courage to tell him, and likely still hasn't been forthcoming with how he feels about you which leaves you wondering what the hell is going on.


I would suggest that you be honest with him. It appears to me as though you are sitting back waiting for him to contact you, so you can be sure that he is still interested .. however, what is there about you to interested in, exactly, if you haven't expressed yourself to him?

I would suggest to stop playing at feelings, and actually address them, if you intend on having not only this Virgo, rather ALL Virgos, take your feelings seriously, and with consideration. And I would make the same suggestion to him, if he were present.


You two appear to be playing at feelings, hoping like hell the other will carry them for you, for nurturing .... a real relationship entails being able to express real feelings without having a need to manipuate the other in revealing for you.

LOL, Oh Tiki! I couldnt possibly do that to you!

thank you for all of that. theres so much to read I cant reply to all of it. All of that information was enlightening. You are lucky PAngel to have such a caring man, no matter what starsign he is 🙂
I was open about the age difference. I wasn't even worried about that anymore. and Im sorry if I used the wrong words about condemnation and consciousness. I was searching for something that my head wouldn't deliver. maybe I should have said don't they feel bad that the other person might be wondering what happened. this is in the case where no explainatory words were spoken.
I guess I can only relate this 'disappearing' to what I know of it, and when I think about doing it myself, it horrifies me that I would just suddenly cut people out of my life. so I was really wanting to understand how they do it and why. The thought processes that run through their head and all that sort of thing.
Its ok anyway. I don't think Im interested in any intimate involvement with this person. I think its a trust issue with me. After a time I find it difficult to trust. Understanding more about virgos is helpful.
I do realize I need to not chase them. God forbid I ever do that with a man!

there was so much to take in. sorry Pangel I missed what you said. You are such a nice helpful gal. i don't even know what starsign you are. oh pisces?
in regards to telling him my feelings. I got the feeling, from this forum, that might not be the best thing to do. and I was more than in agreement with that. I thought that he should reveal something first. Of course I could be wrong. sigh. I think he and I were too similar, both avoiding emotions, both reserved people.
Like I said, I don't believe (now) there would be anything there between us, and its ok, my hearts not broken.
It could be said, i didn't invest enough, I didn't express all my affections for him. maybe, maybe. (who knows) but at least I can walk away knowing I did give enough of my heart that the intelligent virgo could pick up.
I guess im wanting to know how to react in future (with other virgos) and if he does suddenly reappear and what type of mindset I should have. eg. nonchalant, or voice how I wish he could say something, or should I distance myself. (haha probably cant do that anyway)
any virgos reading this; Just tell the gal the honest truth! and tell her if you will be back and if you won't.
🙂

From what I learned, expressing too much emotion too soon is bad. Showing interest is good, but allowing space to breath as well. If you see him again, just act normal. Dont be like "You bastard!" Unless you really want to never see him again. LOL You will probably see him again regardless I would figure at some point. Even if its a casual passing hi.

blue eyed virgo still says hi to me even though we rarely see each other at this point. So from my experience, if you had some type of impact on them, they do check in sometimes. Fascinating people, really.

thanks for your advice Loveablepisces. that makes great sense. I like your attitude, and even though I feel like getting 'mad' Im beyond that now.

Im sorry for your situation NovScorp. I don't envy you being in it. In my situation I to began to 'condemn' myself, simply because I couldn't work out why he was not there. there was no rational explaination. it must be me.
I have since worked out that if it is me, then there is nothing I can do about what I have done or said, if that person does not speak to me of it.
What can I do about it, if I don't even know what it is.

are you still with your virguy, Nov Scorp?

"Aries always tells me exactly what he is thinking. I'm never guessing with him which is the reason why I agreed to marry him."



That sounds like an arrangement ..

I understand novscorp, my marriage was/is also an arrangement.


But, you love another man. You cannot lie to your heart, and in time, your Ram will suffer for it, and you will be tormented for having him suffer it.

If your heart belongs to another man, a marriage to another won't make this go away, if anything, it will make it more intense .... because everything that Ram isn't, you will measure in him as compared to Virgo.

To move on is something you should do ... but, not marry a man on re-bound, regardless of how much he may care for you.

It's a mistake ... one that comes with a high payment.

Why does it have to be marriage?

Why can't you just let your heart be free of burden for a while before making this serious dedication?


It's obvious from what you've written about Virgo that you are still in love with him, novscorp ... you haven't healed past him yet. Why won't you allow yourself to do this without binding yourself to a commitment to man to whom you know in your heart can never measure up so long as your still grieving?

You cannot bind yourself to this man under these conditions ..

"I'm still looking back and holding on"
"He was the one."
"I never see myself loving someone the way I did him."
"I've NEVER in my life felt that way around anyone."
"he doesn't know how deeply it hurt me"



You will hurt your Ram, novscorp, and he doesn't deserve that because Virgo hurt you ... that's not fair.

Please reconsider this ... there's no shame in dating him for a long while until you can heal past this injury.

I can understand both sides of this completely.and I wouldn't make a judgement either way. I have to worry about my own stuff right now 😢

I was wondering, does the virguy know you are getting married? has he moved on and found a new girl?
Would closure with him help the healing?

omg I cant believe how similar we are.
I would need closure before I could move on even if its him just telling me, it was a big mistake and that he didn't really like me. (set me free in a way) I could cry and be broken for awhile but then I could come to terms with the loss.
I don't know exactly what you are like, but if there was some way you and he could clear the air and put the relationship to bed properly I'd say try it.
I don't know, send him a letter and be really honest about your feelings... yeah i don't know. Im not good with giving advice.

The virgo sounds like a complete coward to be honest...unable to face up to any kind of emotional responsibility...good on you for moving on. If he came back, I would tell him where to stick it..but hey that's just me.

I move on really quickly and if the new man is showing me the attention and love and openly admits it, the rest is history...Any man regardless of signs if in love with you will stick around..this hot and cold thing is soooooooooooo pointless and signs of a confused individual..screw loving something that didn't love you back...don't see the point of wasting precious energy thinking about losers

P-Angel I wasn't saying that I had a problem with Virgos, I was just stating what happened when I encountered one.

As a matter of fact, as far as Scorpios and Virgos being a good match. Well, I guess we are. We're engaged and it only took 13 months of the whole "pushing & pulling" aspect SOME Virgos are known to do. He did try the "I'm not good enough for you" thing. :O)

As far as my emotional attachment, Scorpios NEED and thrive off of affection because we are emotional people. Virgos don't really show their emotions. That's why I said, as a Scorpio, whatever little thing he does hold on to it because there is no telling when he'll do it again.

Because I am so emotional, even though I try to hide it ALOT, I had to try my hardest to keep it under control which is probably why I didn't scare him off in the beginning. LOL!

The best advice I've gotten about a Virgo is below:

It's hard for them to love with their hearts. They are mental creatures and is better with intellectual bonds, however if they feel for you emotionally and they have not learned how to let go with it they will push and pull you. What you do is be still do not let him push and pull you. If so then be still and patience is a virtue with them as well. Once they balance things out( don't know how long that might take, it's a individual thing. It's a go from there. They are very dependable and service duty that is how they show love. Most of them are very financial secure or working their way to being. Bills will always be paid they will always take care of home. On hands kind of guys. This is how they show love.

You just got to hold on to those good things that he does, because that is all you have while he goes through this transition of emotions, cause that's all it is. Now if he had not been showing you what he has then I would have said ok step back, but I think that he cares and he needs to get it in doses until he can take it all in, and he will just try and be patient, because that's all you have.

Two more things. Virgo and Scorps are the ultimate compatible together..And also they don't mind a girl leading them. That's why I said be still. Be gentle and lead him there. Patience plays a big part here. They deal with some natural insecurities and they analyze to much so that adds to the push and pull.( i.e. am I or am I not good enough for her) Virgo dudes, they are not for everybody, but when one is for you, you will just know.

Nov_Scorp you sound just like I did when I started dating my Virgo, the EXACT same way. As soon as I found out he was one I started doing research because he was the first one I've ever encountered and what I've got was that I had to give all of my emotional "stuff" in doses in the beginning because it would've scare him off. LOL!
When I said he would disappear on me, I meant that I wouldn't get a phone call from him for about 2 days and then he would pop up again, no warning, no nothing. He would just "poof" be gone. LOL! I put my foot down and told him to cut that crap out and he hasn't done it ever since. You shouldn't hold how you feel inside because you're scared of hurting someone else because in the end all you do is hurt yourself. So, I told him about his self and what I didn't appreciate.

When I said the EXACT same way I meant it. Even the whole engagement to someone else thing, it was to my daughters father (AN ARIES). My Virgo didn't like it AT ALL, he felt I was playing games and said if I really felt the way I did about him, how could I get engaged to someone else (made since). I also felt the same way you did to about being old and alone, but I had to tell myself SO WHAT! Did I want to be old and alone? Or did I want to be old, alone AND miserable because I married someone that I wasn't 100% happy with because I was in love with someone else? Falling in love may happen overnight, but STAYING in love takes work.

Me and the Aries were together for 6 years, in the beginning, sex (even though sex isn't everything) was incredible, but the arguments were HORRIBLE and to make a long story short. It didn't work out and I wasn't going to force it to because we have a child. For some reason I thought he loved confrontation but then later realized that wasn't the case. He's just more communicative then I was/am. I needed time to get my thoughts together because if I didn't all of the emotions (did I mention I was a Scorpio) I was feeling at the time would come out and I would regret some of the things that I may have said. He didn't understand that and just assumed I had problems communicating. Oh well!

I think he was just an immature virgo, novscorp. My ex was a virgo and he really never vanished on me. He was always honest and stuck around even when he dropped the L word. So it depends on the person and the maturity level. They mature progressively steady, but slow. I can see my ex being a really stable guy in the next 5 years, but for now he is still trying to find himself and stable out his life.

Virgo and scorpio is very good together. My friend is a scorpio and she is living with her virgo. They've been together for like...4 years now. I see them practically as a married couple even if they arent. I remember how we (the roomies and I) use to joke about how clingy he was in the beginning. He was like a puppy that always followed her home. It was so cute. He tried to get along with everyone, but the roomies kind of tortured him a bit. Leave it to a libra guy and a cancer man to sit there and screw with a roomies new boy. 🙂 libra guy use to call my ex "whats his name?" LOL.

As a very proud Virgo... I keep reading about this disappearing act business, yet I have never done it myself, nor do I ever see myself doing it.

Perhaps they were just trying to get something out of you, and when they did, decided to move on.
Goal oriented people...

usually the disappearance follows a period of intense closeness which is what really screws you guys up I guess

here is how it goes, virgo meets, plays the game, fall in love, gives best then after a while his human nature gets to him, he gets tired physically and mentally because he has been giving 110% every time he was with you

ladies at this stage you have to be very attentive because if you keep on pressuring him you either end up breaking him, he could physically get ill, in my case I ended up losing weight to an unhealthy proportion because I was going out of my way with my girl, and to her credit she keeps telling me I don't need to go to all that trouble, bless her 🙂

anyway, if you keep on pushing your virg at this stage he might just think that you are all about using and abusing him, that you are asking too much of him and he will simply fly away

so it is very natural for virgo to have time to rest physically and mentally and you should give him this time because he is doing it for you on some level, he is recharging himself for another round, remember how good it was with him? the sharp humour, pleasant times, the attentiveness, the physical prowess, the gentlemanly treatment .. all this takes a tow on him and he has to rest, away from you unfortunately because simply when he is around you he is into service mode instinctively.

virgo likes a woman who can be emotionally independent of him or at least one who can prove that she can be, because it frees up much of his time to do other things, many people things that virgo doesn't know how to handle emotions or drama but in reality they as masterful, they just think it's a bloody waste of time so unless it's important don't bother with it, go shopping or get your nails done instead

the challenge for us virgos is timing and moderation ... we need to time our on time and our off time with that of our partner and do things in moderation so that we always have spare energy for the unexpected

this is what I have been focusing on lately and started seeing some promising results 🙂 before I used to be so tired when I come home yet still manage to stay up listen to my girl or hug her in a position that was uncomfortable for me which meant I got very little quality sleep

Now I have learnt to pace myself, take naps, get myself ready for the night should my girl want action or she wants to cuddle

I have to say that I wouldn't have been able to even start sorting myself in this way if my girl demanded things, bless that angel she never asked for a thing directly but I always knew what she wanted

still a long way to go, but I definitely can see how scrops will get upset with this act because they are so intense they can push the virgo to an extreme, and only a virgo with so much energy to spare can handle this intensity and get other things done too, that or a retired one

or a prince with no much to do of course 🙂

I don't disappear completely, but when I was younger, I would withdraw - try to get some "me" time to sort through my feelings.

I agree that the older Virgs get, the less they tend to do this disappearing. From what I've read on the Scorp Board, younger Scorp Males do this disappearing, too - but maybe not as often as us Virgs...

Thank you everyone. there is so much to take in, and i will have a few reads

I agree with you Jmomma, its better to be alone then with someone and be unhappy. I do not get along with aries. We do not understand each other. its like we live on different planets.
so are you saying it is best not to call, and leave them to do their thing? or should I maybe contact him? like taking the 'lead'

and thanks MrE for your insight. I have never heard that before, and it does make some sense. and I like it, in a way. They give too much of themselves. Yes,you are right, scorps are intense, yet I have tried not to be.

I had this other theory. Would the virgo retreat if he thought he was not good enough for the other person. I wonder about this. If they see flaws in themselves and they think, I am not good enough for the one I love etc. and depart

I wonder, is there anything I can do or say(in a gentle/understanding way - not angry or manipulative) to make the situation better?
or is it best to just leave him and the relationship alone, and go on my own way? and if he happens to 'pop' back then so be it, if not then it doesn't matter so much.

Im not a Virgo but insanely crazy about one hehehe....but I think with any sign or gender, if its meant to be he will come back and you'll sort through whatever it is. If not? it just wasnt meant to be. Hard to swallow but sometimes its easier to just keep very very busy *knows from personal experience* and try to move forward.

I doubt though, that a Virgo would retreat because they didnt feel "good enough"...I dont think anybody should feel that way. My Virgo has and does so much more than I thought was possible and I feel Im not good enough but then I think why should it matter how much I have or how many friends I have? That's not love, that's being materialistic and vain and I doubt Virgos are vain. Picky and neat and analystic yes but I doubt vain.

Go and enjoy yourself.....and dont worry so much, you'll get wrinkles LOL

Aaaww poracita.

*gives Nov_Scorp a hug*

"Go and enjoy yourself.....and don't worry so much, you'll get wrinkles LOL"

please marry me! never met a Leo who talks like that!

coming back to your comment Lovely, it all depends how long you have been together and what you mean by "disappearing" if it is him not calling you as he used to then this is plane normal, if he doesn't return your calls then it's probably because you made it all feel like there is pressure on him to do so.

by the way I am not making you to be the baddie here, chances he is as guilty, but only you know which is which when you take specific situations

you are right to some extend about virgo withdrawing because they don't think they are good enough, but usually it is the other person who makes them feel like this

remember virgo is earth, earth is receptive, it takes cues from her surroundings .. so a virgo will do all these nice things and is always watching your reaction to them so if you show utter indifference for a long time they will get this idea and simply stop trying, remember the earth gives you what you plant in it, good seeds gives good harvest and vice versa so try your best not bring negativity in your relation with virgo because you will harvest it in the end

statistically speaking this type of virgo is extremely rare these days simply because of the modern education system which is based on rewarding good work

most virgos are ace students and this gives them a huge self confidence boost at an early stage so it's highly unlikely they will think less of themselves even when the whole world convinces them otherwise, to them simply the whole world is wrong

so I wouldn't base a lot of my actions on him withdrawing because he didn't think he wasn't good enough, chances that he will think you don't deserve him because you have demonstrated selfishness of some sort, my experience with my scrop friend is that he talks a lot about himself and to me that's fine from time to time but sometimes it can get too much I just want to smack him out of it

Nov scorp...maturity isnt always about age. I know people that are twice my age and are pretty immature. 😛 Time may be a teacher to some, but not all!

Yes maturity also comes from good experiences and common sense.

as for being there for him I think it's a great idea, just make sure you don't force yourself on him and he must know or at least get the impression that you are really ok with doing it

and always be gentle, full of understanding and, offer instead of demand which is the challenge that scrops have to go through with some virgs

as for intensity I don't think yo should tone it down, even if the whole world convinces you to do so, remember this is your gift to human society, it represents that inate desire to mould, it's scared what you guys have and it is part of the charm which attract us to you so you should never try to tone it down, what you can do is time it so that it comes up when we are ready for it, such as the bedroom on friday night, or the female changing room in the local gym

I am so sorry if I seem to be pounding on you scorps, I know that what I have described are the extremes and I am 100% this is not the case with you Lovely on any of the other Lovely's in this Lovely board

MrE you are lovely! this is why I love virgos. I can fall for a virg anytime of the day Lol.
I love what you say.
He has contacted me, and he has been busy and unwell. I am understanding,hopefully gentle. Romance and all that (having him as a partner) is not as important to me as his friendship. Virgos make the best friends,for me. I have also realized that this is the best way to deal with virgos. Just have them as your friend first.
I have a good friend who is a virgo, and he is in love with me. I love him too, but I know I would never be with him. Im scorp and I just know. but because he loves me he doesn't go out with other girls. its almost as if he has decided he wants to be a bachelor. it is very sad.

I get presumptuous, because I think I know whats going on with him. this is a problem I have. I need to ask and enquire and not assume. I'm so intense I scare myself! I think omg if Im scaring me what is the other person thinking. I can't even help not being intense, and Im also very inquisitive so that doesn't help.

oh in my 2nd para I was talking about the new virguy, not the other one. It sounded confusing when I read it.
and when i said I loved the other virguy I meant unromantically. jus as a friend. because I love all my friends. They are all very special to me.
but this new virguy I really like, and would like it to be more.

LOL..deep breaths woman deep breaths..lol

I don't get intense..I go the opposite way..distant 😢 Anyways..it's all good..works in me favour..

Good like with the V guy..

And happy 2009!

"please marry me! never met a Leo who talks like that!"

Oooooh a marriage proposal!!! Nice 😛