What does "Loyalty" mean to you?

What does "Loyalty" mean to you?

sunk cost fallacy

Not being backstabbed.

Believing you could trust.

Knowing you'll be safe.

A promise not broken

Relationship that cannot be destroyed

Posted by Gobby

It means you should consult a dictionary more, especially when people tend to twist the true definition of a word for their own convenience...

The English language was built on the twisting of words & meanings. The question is for a person not a dictionary

To me it means that the value you attach to the object of your loyalty remains unchanged regardless of time and circumstance. External factors can't impact a loyal person. Loyalty excludes doubt.

A prior condition to loyalty would be then the ability to give great importance and meaning to someone or something and prioritize them.

Posted by Fragrance

To me it means that the value you attach to the object of your loyalty remains unchanged regardless of time and circumstance. External factors can't impact a loyal person. Loyalty excludes doubt.

A prior condition to loyalty would be then the ability to give great importance and meaning to someone or something and prioritize them.

Excellent! U basically wrote what my mind thinks but couldn't eloquently put into words.

Loyalty is making you feel safe and secure. Being consistent.

Posted by Phantom_Limbo

There is loyalty to people, and that's what most people mean. It means you know which people are your priority and act accordingly. There is also loyalty to principles. This is when you refuse to break an important principle, even for one of those people who is your priority. I have strong commitments to both, and it's not always easy to know which way to go.

Thanks for writing my thoughts out for me! ;p

Loyalty... sigh... 🙄

This is one of those words - that seems positive in theory (kinda noble), especially when you're young and immature (naive and inexperienced), tho... the more i got to witness and experience the true nature of this notion - in practice... the more it filled me with disgust. 🤮 Eventually... i came to realize that it's actually a negative connotation - masked by a positive early image/theory (like a wolf in sheep clothing).

More often than not - the people who use this word are either delusional (if they're immature/naive) - or machiavellian (if they know what they're doing). The first type are bound to get shit on - till they choke on so called... loyalty (in the true sense of the word). While the latter - are the ones who use, abuse and exploit others for personal gains (as it's the case with... dictators and generals - whom used their military forces as cannon meat in battles/wars... same goes for terrorist groups, the leader of a cult - who exploits its flowers for personal gains, corporations - whom took/take advantage of their customers loyalty, so called friends - whom only remember you when they need a favor, romantic partners - whom use loyalty as a free pass to take their partner for granted - or worst - to use and abuse its partner while living of their back or something like that... and so on and so forth... ). The favorite word of people who expect something for nothing. Just thinking about it... makes me wanna puke... 🤢

Fuck this shit, fuck so called... loyalty (and all the abuse that comes with that 😑). I'd rather have "respect (or mutual-respect - if it's about two people)". You get - what you give. Now that's something worth cherishing (even a solid alternative for so called loyalty). A healthy notion for any type of relationship. Respect and integrity.😌

Posted by LethalFantasia

/everything

What a fucked up answer! Like if one cracks your head open...? 🤦‍♀️

Posted by LegendsAreBornInNovember

Loyalty is being clutched to the people who show that they love you through action. Loyalty is still sticking around even if those 25 years were to occur.

Loyalty is showing loyalty to those who probably don't even deserve your loyalty.

Loyalty is what truly makes you family; not the bloodline.

Loyalty is just...it's fucking everything, my guy.

Are you and @LethalFantasia related?🤷‍♀️

WTF IS ‘eveeyrhing’? Lazy ass mtfking answer! 🤦‍♀️

Posted by Impulsv

I don’t want someone loyalty if it’s forced and to their detriment

Who wants to force someone be with you

You just said an opposite:

Have your back because they want to be with you continue to chose you

Not out of pity but love

Posted by Echo

Not being backstabbed.

Believing you could trust.

Knowing you'll be safe.

A promise not broken

Relationship that cannot be destroyed

I think OP is talking about RL loyalty...🤔

Posted by tiziani

It means I do what you tell me.

It’s slavery. You are still fucking confused about rships as you were years ago...

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Posted by Fragrance

To me it means that the value you attach to the object of your loyalty remains unchanged regardless of time and circumstance. External factors can't impact a loyal person. Loyalty excludes doubt.

A prior condition to loyalty would be then the ability to give great importance and meaning to someone or something and prioritize them.

Excellent! U basically wrote what my mind thinks but couldn't eloquently put into words.

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Yeah...except when loyal person deciding it’s enough and fuck up!

Does anybody seriously believe in loyalty or anything being a GUARANTEED for life?

If it ever exists it might be only parents and children...some percentage of us.

But even this is not guaranteed!

Marry someone your parents hate with passion and you’ll see...loyalty my ass!

Posted by neves

Loyalty... sigh... 🙄

This is one of those words - that seems positive in theory (kinda noble), especially when you're young and immature (naive and inexperienced), tho... the more i got to witness and experience the true nature of this notion - in practice... the more it filled me with disgust. 🤮 Eventually... i came to realize that it's actually a negative connotation - masked by a positive early image/theory (like a wolf in sheep clothing).

More often than not - the people who use this word are either delusional (if they're immature/naive) - or machiavellian (if they know what they're doing). The first type are bound to get shit on - till they choke on so called... loyalty (in the true sense of the word). While the latter - are the ones who use, abuse and exploit others for personal gains (as it's the case with... dictators and generals - whom used their military forces as cannon meat in battles/wars... same goes for terrorist groups, the leader of a cult - who exploits its flowers for personal gains, corporations - whom took/take advantage of their customers loyalty, so called friends - whom only remember you when they need a favor, romantic partners - whom uses loyalty as a free pass to take their partner for granted - or worst - to use and abuse its partner while living of their back or something like that... and so on and so forth... ). The favorite word of people who expect something for nothing. Just thinking about it... makes me wanna puke... 🤢

Fuck this shit, fuck so called... loyalty (and all the abuse that comes with that 😑). I'd rather have "respect (or mutual-respect - if it's about two people)". You get - what you give. Now that's something worth cherishing (even a solid alternative for so called loyalty). A healthy notion for any type of relationship. Respect and integrity.😌

I though I was the only weirdo...😂😂

loyalty is not making product placement moves on me

Posted by Gemitati

Posted by Echo

Not being backstabbed.

Believing you could trust.

Knowing you'll be safe.

A promise not broken

Relationship that cannot be destroyed

I think OP is talking about RL loyalty...🤔

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😐 well I dont know. Cause that's the loyalty I know

Someone being down for me as much as I'm down for them.

Calling me on my bullshit, and me being able to do the same.

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Posted by Phantom_Limbo

There is loyalty to people, and that's what most people mean. It means you know which people are your priority and act accordingly. There is also loyalty to principles. This is when you refuse to break an important principle, even for one of those people who is your priority. I have strong commitments to both, and it's not always easy to know which way to go.

Thanks for writing my thoughts out for me! ;p

Cool. Do I recall correctly that you have moon in Pisces too? Are you an INFP?

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Two constants I’ve observed amongst Pisces mooners is acute observation skills and elephant memory to which you are no exception. I’m a Pisces mooner indeed, however an INFJ with an emphasis on J lol

On the subject of loyalty, much of what @Neves has touch on in his post, I’ve observed the premise of loyalty being misused and abused more times then I care count, which is one of the reasons as to why I prefer individuals electing to stick to their guiding principles instead of people. It just seems more honest on a visceral level. That is not to say I wouldn’t welcome it if it was offer though 😬

Loyalty means that you put that persons feelings above others when the situation calls for it.

It means you don’t give up on the person

It means you are patient

It means you understand their viewpoint even if you don’t agree and you will still respect it.

Loyalty most of all means that you will be completely honest to that person even if it will hurt them, in order to help them be a better person, and that you will always be by their side.

Loyalty to me is akin to true love whether it be family, friendship, or a SO

Continuing to stick beside something even when the situation is at it's worst, and your gut instinct says you should run.

I'm the type who takes loyalty to the next level. I will also implement the right course of action to test that in people. The only humans I keep close to me are those who stay loyal through absolute chaos and entropy. If they fail, they can go wollow in a muddy gutter somewhere. If they succeed I will give them 100% of myself. The type of loyality in a person who would sacrifice all of myself just to hold them a few inches above the water. It's probably wrong to be that way, but its the only way to divide the bloodsuckers from the true warriors in life.

Posted by Soul

Continuing to stick beside something even when the situation is at it's worst, and your gut instinct says you should run.

I'm the type who takes loyalty to the next level. I will also implement the right course of action to test that in people. The only humans I keep close to me are those who stay loyal through absolute chaos and entropy. If they fail, they can go wollow in a muddy gutter somewhere. If they succeed I will give them 100% of myself. The type of loyality in a person who would sacrifice all of myself just to hold them a few inches above the water. It's probably wrong to be that way, but its the only way to divide the bloodsuckers from the true warriors in life.

How many loyal people in your life?

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Posted by Soul

Continuing to stick beside something even when the situation is at it's worst, and your gut instinct says you should run.

I'm the type who takes loyalty to the next level. I will also implement the right course of action to test that in people. The only humans I keep close to me are those who stay loyal through absolute chaos and entropy. If they fail, they can go wollow in a muddy gutter somewhere. If they succeed I will give them 100% of myself. The type of loyality in a person who would sacrifice all of myself just to hold them a few inches above the water. It's probably wrong to be that way, but its the only way to divide the bloodsuckers from the true warriors in life.

How many loyal people in your life?

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5. I don't need anymore then that. There is still 1 slot open for a lover though. It will remain empty long before I fill it with something meaningless. We either ride or die, there are no other options.

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Posted by Phantom_Limbo

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Posted by Phantom_Limbo

There is loyalty to people, and that's what most people mean. It means you know which people are your priority and act accordingly. There is also loyalty to principles. This is when you refuse to break an important principle, even for one of those people who is your priority. I have strong commitments to both, and it's not always easy to know which way to go.

Thanks for writing my thoughts out for me! ;p

Cool. Do I recall correctly that you have moon in Pisces too? Are you an INFP?

Two constants I’ve observed amongst Pisces mooners is acute observation skills and elephant memory to which you are no exception. I’m a Pisces mooner indeed, however an INFJ with an emphasis on J lol

On the subject of loyalty, much of what @Neves has touch on in his post, I’ve observed the premise of loyalty being misused and abused more times then I care count, which is one of the reasons as to why I prefer individuals electing to stick to their guiding principles instead of people. It just seems more honest on a visceral level. That is not to say I wouldn’t welcome it if it was offer though 😬

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That's not loyalty, that's integrity. You need integrity to adopt a set of principles. You need a good judgement. And loyalty... even goes against that (using your judgement... thinking for yourself). Since there's times - when you'll feel compelled to turn a blind eye for the sake of loyalty, either by self-deluding yourself or by giving up your integrity, your principles... Only then you can remain loyal - and accept a given context that's visibly immoral or even atrocious... Cause again, you're not suppose to question anything (think for yourself) - when it comes to loyalty... Just follow and embrace everything that's tied to the subject of your loyalty. Like dogs and sheep.

Posted by Phantom_Limbo

There is loyalty to people, and that's what most people mean. It means you know which people are your priority and act accordingly. There is also loyalty to principles. This is when you refuse to break an important principle, even for one of those people who is your priority. I have strong commitments to both, and it's not always easy to know which way to go.

That's called integrity. People who adhere to loyalty (follow something or someone blindly - either by feeling compelled to do that or by self-deluding themselves) - don't have integrity (that's what they had to give-up for the sake of loyalty). That being said... i don't even wanna know what they call principles... 😐

Tho, i get what you meant by that - so i don't mean you. 😛

when someone sticks to their promises and stay open/clear about their feelings an intentions

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when someone sticks to their promises and stay open/clear about their feelings an intentions

Lol finally something direct and real, people are making one thousands excuses do not being loyal or reativize loyality here

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yes someone who is your ride and die

Posted by neves

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Posted by Phantom_Limbo

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Posted by Phantom_Limbo

There is loyalty to people, and that's what most people mean. It means you know which people are your priority and act accordingly. There is also loyalty to principles. This is when you refuse to break an important principle, even for one of those people who is your priority. I have strong commitments to both, and it's not always easy to know which way to go.

Thanks for writing my thoughts out for me! ;p

Cool. Do I recall correctly that you have moon in Pisces too? Are you an INFP?

Two constants I’ve observed amongst Pisces mooners is acute observation skills and elephant memory to which you are no exception. I’m a Pisces mooner indeed, however an INFJ with an emphasis on J lol

On the subject of loyalty, much of what @Neves has touch on in his post, I’ve observed the premise of loyalty being misused and abused more times then I care count, which is one of the reasons as to why I prefer individuals electing to stick to their guiding principles instead of people. It just seems more honest on a visceral level. That is not to say I wouldn’t welcome it if it was offer though 😬

That's not loyalty, that's integrity. You need integrity to adopt a set of principles. You need a good judgement. And loyalty... even goes against that (using your judgement... thinking for yourself). Since there's times - when you'll feel compelled to turn a blind eye for the sake of loyalty, either by self-deluding yourself or by giving up your integrity, your principles... Only then you can remain loyal - and accept a given context that's visibly immoral or even atrocious... Cause again, you're not suppose to question anything (think for yourself) - when it comes to loyalty... Just follow and embrace everything that's tied to the subject of your loyalty. Like dogs and sheep.

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I was/am not disagreeing with you. I did, however, intentionally abstain from employing terminology such as integrity as I had hoped to avoid going down that particular rabbit hole as it inevitably drudges up issues of ethics, morality etc etc at nauseam.

Back to subject matter though, the extend (extreme?!) of the description you provide is what’s in fact referred to as “blind loyalty”, and again, it was not brought up for a dispute but since we are here, the OP did ask for personal/individual definition, which, to my understanding is unwavering adherence to the subject/object of one’s choosing. Be it a cause or a person. The only difference being it’s allocation.

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Posted by Phantom_Limbo

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Posted by Phantom_Limbo

There is loyalty to people, and that's what most people mean. It means you know which people are your priority and act accordingly. There is also loyalty to principles. This is when you refuse to break an important principle, even for one of those people who is your priority. I have strong commitments to both, and it's not always easy to know which way to go.

Thanks for writing my thoughts out for me! ;p

Cool. Do I recall correctly that you have moon in Pisces too? Are you an INFP?

Two constants I’ve observed amongst Pisces mooners is acute observation skills and elephant memory to which you are no exception. I’m a Pisces mooner indeed, however an INFJ with an emphasis on J lol

On the subject of loyalty, much of what @Neves has touch on in his post, I’ve observed the premise of loyalty being misused and abused more times then I care count, which is one of the reasons as to why I prefer individuals electing to stick to their guiding principles instead of people. It just seems more honest on a visceral level. That is not to say I wouldn’t welcome it if it was offer though 😬

I understand completely. I’m only ‘loyal’ to people who understands my values and principles and wouldn’t deliberately put me in a situation between where I would have to choose between them or my principles.

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Bingo!!!

I appreciate you wording my sentiments in a intelligible format! More so, I’m glad as much as I am relieved there is more of those who share this concept.

On the side note, hope Oz is keeping you cool and compfy this time of year! ; )

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Posted by Phantom_Limbo

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Posted by Phantom_Limbo

There is loyalty to people, and that's what most people mean. It means you know which people are your priority and act accordingly. There is also loyalty to principles. This is when you refuse to break an important principle, even for one of those people who is your priority. I have strong commitments to both, and it's not always easy to know which way to go.

Thanks for writing my thoughts out for me! ;p

Cool. Do I recall correctly that you have moon in Pisces too? Are you an INFP?

Two constants I’ve observed amongst Pisces mooners is acute observation skills and elephant memory to which you are no exception. I’m a Pisces mooner indeed, however an INFJ with an emphasis on J lol

On the subject of loyalty, much of what @Neves has touch on in his post, I’ve observed the premise of loyalty being misused and abused more times then I care count, which is one of the reasons as to why I prefer individuals electing to stick to their guiding principles instead of people. It just seems more honest on a visceral level. That is not to say I wouldn’t welcome it if it was offer though 😬

You’re INFJ? 😊 cool, me too! 👌

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A haaa! I suppose that explains certain things (mostly referring to my liking of your posts lol) ...

*belly bump*

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Posted by Soul

Continuing to stick beside something even when the situation is at it's worst, and your gut instinct says you should run.

I'm the type who takes loyalty to the next level. I will also implement the right course of action to test that in people. The only humans I keep close to me are those who stay loyal through absolute chaos and entropy. If they fail, they can go wollow in a muddy gutter somewhere. If they succeed I will give them 100% of myself. The type of loyality in a person who would sacrifice all of myself just to hold them a few inches above the water. It's probably wrong to be that way, but its the only way to divide the bloodsuckers from the true warriors in life.

How do you know that’s the time is suitable for the test, I mean do you all for a strong connection to develop between you and the other person before u test them

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Of course. I don't go around testing people day 1 lol. For the first few months I'm just paying attention to them, and listing closely to their words and actions. I've learned there are many men and women out there with a perfect sales pitch, with nothing genuine about them whatsoever. These type of people will tell you everything you want to hear, and stroke egos better then anyone. The way I test people is appearing to be easy to manipulative and clueless.. I'll pretend not to notice obvious lies, or the times they didn't keep their word. Meanwhile I'm truthfully guarded, closely watching them, and setting them up to show me their true colors. Not just me though, I'll make sure the whole world sees their true colors. Its all because when the day comes for me to exit their life I have all their lies, deceit, and secrets to use against them. All the stuff they thought I didn't notice or flew over my head was fully organized and archived. I have proof to show why their are bad human's, while they have nothing against me because the whole time I played the kind and giving nice guy. People who betray other people should learn a hard lesson. Don't be a bloodsucker and plague the life of those who appear weak.

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Posted by Phantom_Limbo

There is loyalty to people, and that's what most people mean. It means you know which people are your priority and act accordingly. There is also loyalty to principles. This is when you refuse to break an important principle, even for one of those people who is your priority. I have strong commitments to both, and it's not always easy to know which way to go.

That's called integrity. People who adhere to loyalty (follow something or someone blindly - either by feeling compelled to do that or by self-deluding themselves) - don't have integrity (that's what they had to give-up for the sake of loyalty). That being said... i don't even wanna know what they call principles... 😐

Tho, i get what you meant by that - so i don't mean you. 😛

You're right.

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I really wish i wasn't. 😔

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Posted by Phantom_Limbo

There is loyalty to people, and that's what most people mean. It means you know which people are your priority and act accordingly. There is also loyalty to principles. This is when you refuse to break an important principle, even for one of those people who is your priority. I have strong commitments to both, and it's not always easy to know which way to go.

Thanks for writing my thoughts out for me! ;p

Cool. Do I recall correctly that you have moon in Pisces too? Are you an INFP?

Two constants I’ve observed amongst Pisces mooners is acute observation skills and elephant memory to which you are no exception. I’m a Pisces mooner indeed, however an INFJ with an emphasis on J lol

On the subject of loyalty, much of what @Neves has touch on in his post, I’ve observed the premise of loyalty being misused and abused more times then I care count, which is one of the reasons as to why I prefer individuals electing to stick to their guiding principles instead of people. It just seems more honest on a visceral level. That is not to say I wouldn’t welcome it if it was offer though 😬

I understand completely. I’m only ‘loyal’ to people who understands my values and principles and wouldn’t deliberately put me in a situation between where I would have to choose between them or my principles.

Bingo!!!

I appreciate you wording my sentiments in a intelligible format! More so, I’m glad as much as I am relieved there is more of those who share this concept.

On the side note, hope Oz is keeping you cool and compfy this time of year! ; )

It’s been more than cool. For the first time in years I’ve been keeping my jumper on during the day. When I walked to the dry mess yesterday morning there were patches of ice on the lawn. It made me pull my beanie right down over my ears. I can’t wait for spring, the wildflowers should be beautiful this year.

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That’s insane! Not to sound cliché, though I inevitably will, but this whole climate change thing has taken whole new proportions. I live at the Great Lakes area and the water levels rose to unprecedented levels due to all the rain we had over the past few months.

I actually thought summer won’t come this year at all given just couple of weeks ago I was heating my home. The past few days on the other hand were so hot, it scorched all my plants. Effing nuts!

Do stay warm and safe! : )

Death before dishnor

Loyalty in politics? Not taking corporations money to fund your campaign.