Posted by Shadowcat3.05 orb
What orb is it?
Posted by Gemini25It has to be within 1-2 (3 I'd use) to be considered a true aspect, some use wider orbs.
So the orb I pretty strong? 3.05?
Posted by NotSoInstantDo you attract obsessive jealous people too?Posted by raad182So do I and it sucks.... It is a very alluring aspect tho. Depending on the houses activated.
I have this aspect natally...It sucks
I have it in synastry also 😡click to expand
Posted by NotSoInstantIm the obsessive jealous one lolPosted by raad182Posted by NotSoInstantDo you attract obsessive jealous people too?Posted by raad182So do I and it sucks.... It is a very alluring aspect tho. Depending on the houses activated.
I have this aspect natally...It sucks
I have it in synastry also 😡
Very much... Obsessive for years types. Stalkerish, powerful, controlling, too sexual, etc,... Mostly fixed signs lol
I never get casual type of guys... Even a friendly meet turns cray cray. It sucks. And for you?
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Posted by NotSoInstantWhat exactly make this placement magnificent? I can't think about anything good from it.Posted by raad182Oh lol I understand.... I have a Gem sun that would be too logical to get too obsessive..Posted by NotSoInstantIm the obsessive jealous one lolPosted by raad182Posted by NotSoInstantDo you attract obsessive jealous people too?Posted by raad182So do I and it sucks.... It is a very alluring aspect tho. Depending on the houses activated.
I have this aspect natally...It sucks
I have it in synastry also 😡
Very much... Obsessive for years types. Stalkerish, powerful, controlling, too sexual, etc,... Mostly fixed signs lol
I never get casual type of guys... Even a friendly meet turns cray cray. It sucks. And for you?
I can be obsessive too.... I don't know to hold back when I'm passionate about something.
Venus -Pluto is considered one of the most magnificent aspects to have in the natal chart and in synastry. But we have to rein in...
I have noticed Venus-Pluto natives not be happy in relationships😢
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Posted by NotSoInstantI think that you´re mixing the conjunction and opposition aspect.Posted by raad182Posted by NotSoInstantWhat exactly make this placement magnificent? I can't think about anything good from it.Posted by raad182Oh lol I understand.... I have a Gem sun that would be too logical to get too obsessive..Posted by NotSoInstantIm the obsessive jealous one lolPosted by raad182Posted by NotSoInstantDo you attract obsessive jealous people too?Posted by raad182So do I and it sucks.... It is a very alluring aspect tho. Depending on the houses activated.
I have this aspect natally...It sucks
I have it in synastry also 😡
Very much... Obsessive for years types. Stalkerish, powerful, controlling, too sexual, etc,... Mostly fixed signs lol
I never get casual type of guys... Even a friendly meet turns cray cray. It sucks. And for you?
I can be obsessive too.... I don't know to hold back when I'm passionate about something.
Venus -Pluto is considered one of the most magnificent aspects to have in the natal chart and in synastry. But we have to rein in...
I have noticed Venus-Pluto natives not be happy in relationships😢
Sexual magnetism, intense love, strong emotions, all or nothing type of relationships (maybe they aren't all that great), power to weild over others through attraction, which shouldn't be done but instant sex appeal has its uses...Eg, It may open doors for an interview, a chance to talk to a superior related to some work concern, fan following among peer groups, etc,.... Like it or not it has its uses but it could also attract unwanted sexual predators. And attention from people with shady life style ... Powerful people dealing with shady biz. People who wanna control you, use you for sex, dominate you, etc,...
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Posted by NotSoInstantI was talking about the natal aspect not in synastry.Posted by raad182Posted by NotSoInstantI think that you´re mixing the conjunction and opposition aspect.Posted by raad182Posted by NotSoInstantWhat exactly make this placement magnificent? I can't think about anything good from it.Posted by raad182Oh lol I understand.... I have a Gem sun that would be too logical to get too obsessive..Posted by NotSoInstantIm the obsessive jealous one lolPosted by raad182Posted by NotSoInstantDo you attract obsessive jealous people too?Posted by raad182So do I and it sucks.... It is a very alluring aspect tho. Depending on the houses activated.
I have this aspect natally...It sucks
I have it in synastry also 😡
Very much... Obsessive for years types. Stalkerish, powerful, controlling, too sexual, etc,... Mostly fixed signs lol
I never get casual type of guys... Even a friendly meet turns cray cray. It sucks. And for you?
I can be obsessive too.... I don't know to hold back when I'm passionate about something.
Venus -Pluto is considered one of the most magnificent aspects to have in the natal chart and in synastry. But we have to rein in...
I have noticed Venus-Pluto natives not be happy in relationships😢
Sexual magnetism, intense love, strong emotions, all or nothing type of relationships (maybe they aren't all that great), power to weild over others through attraction, which shouldn't be done but instant sex appeal has its uses...Eg, It may open doors for an interview, a chance to talk to a superior related to some work concern, fan following among peer groups, etc,.... Like it or not it has its uses but it could also attract unwanted sexual predators. And attention from people with shady life style ... Powerful people dealing with shady biz. People who wanna control you, use you for sex, dominate you, etc,...
No I'm not... See this is why I learn from relationship/ life rather than from internet.... Conjunction and opposition are all almost same when dealing with these planets... With opposition it is extreme give it all/obsession or hatred.... Either ways both are very sexual and has high sex appeal.
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Posted by NotSoInstantPosted by raad182Posted by NotSoInstantI was talking about the natal aspect not in synastry.Posted by raad182Posted by NotSoInstantI think that you´re mixing the conjunction and opposition aspect.Posted by raad182Posted by NotSoInstantWhat exactly make this placement magnificent? I can't think about anything good from it.Posted by raad182Oh lol I understand.... I have a Gem sun that would be too logical to get too obsessive..Posted by NotSoInstantIm the obsessive jealous one lolPosted by raad182Posted by NotSoInstantDo you attract obsessive jealous people too?Posted by raad182So do I and it sucks.... It is a very alluring aspect tho. Depending on the houses activated.
I have this aspect natally...It sucks
I have it in synastry also 😡
Very much... Obsessive for years types. Stalkerish, powerful, controlling, too sexual, etc,... Mostly fixed signs lol
I never get casual type of guys... Even a friendly meet turns cray cray. It sucks. And for you?
I can be obsessive too.... I don't know to hold back when I'm passionate about something.
Venus -Pluto is considered one of the most magnificent aspects to have in the natal chart and in synastry. But we have to rein in...
I have noticed Venus-Pluto natives not be happy in relationships😢
Sexual magnetism, intense love, strong emotions, all or nothing type of relationships (maybe they aren't all that great), power to weild over others through attraction, which shouldn't be done but instant sex appeal has its uses...Eg, It may open doors for an interview, a chance to talk to a superior related to some work concern, fan following among peer groups, etc,.... Like it or not it has its uses but it could also attract unwanted sexual predators. And attention from people with shady life style ... Powerful people dealing with shady biz. People who wanna control you, use you for sex, dominate you, etc,...
No I'm not... See this is why I learn from relationship/ life rather than from internet.... Conjunction and opposition are all almost same when dealing with these planets... With opposition it is extreme give it all/obsession or hatred.... Either ways both are very sexual and has high sex appeal.
Like you said, when you have this natally you go either way Venus or Pluto, the energies don't mix for the chart owner.
I'm talking about the natal aspect!
Oppositions do mix.... Planets involved in oppositions knows the other planet's energy at the other end.... Even oppositions are an exchange of energy.... They are more or less like end of a tight rope.... Navigating this energy is like tight rope walking.... Takes effort.... And trust.
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Posted by NotSoInstantFair enough, I like to be pickier on pluto, neptune, uranus though because they are generational planets.Posted by rabidtalkerOppositions, I would consider upto 6 degrees... Especially when a personal planet is involved.Posted by Gemini25It has to be within 1-2 (3 I'd use) to be considered a true aspect, some use wider orbs.
So the orb I pretty strong? 3.05?
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Posted by ShadowcatPosted by Gemini25I have venus conjunct pluto but the two aspects aren't that different imo. However it's unlikely that the aspect alone caused this. Can you post the house overlays for you two?Posted by Shadowcat3.05 orb
What orb is it?
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Posted by Gemini25So they say. I think there's some truth to it.
I read that it's a karmic link as well
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Posted by NotSoInstantPosted by Shooting_the_Moon_that_I_call_MarsPosted by NotSoInstantPosted by SpiceNSugarYesss!
Does the Pluto person in a Venus/Pluto conjunction have a tendency to feel constant and strong feelings of jealousy?
Venus-Pluto opposition can be one of the greatest love..... Venus gets addicted to the obsessive passion from Pluto.... Venus wants to please Pluto.... It could be dominated or controlled by Pluto....And Pluto would dig deep into the soul of Venus.
what does the Venus person feel? Just a magnetic attraction to the Pluto person? Does it go any deeper than that?
Quoted it wrong... My reply is ^^
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Posted by NotSoInstantPosted by Shooting_the_Moon_that_I_call_MarsThe aspect as such is obsessive....Some people don't feel it as much because the planets (Venus or Pluto ) aren't important in their chart.... In my chart Venus and Pluto are in their own signs, angle rulers and in angles.... so I get the obsessive qualities..Posted by NotSoInstantPosted by Shooting_the_Moon_that_I_call_MarsPosted by NotSoInstantPosted by SpiceNSugarYesss!
Does the Pluto person in a Venus/Pluto conjunction have a tendency to feel constant and strong feelings of jealousy?
Venus-Pluto opposition can be one of the greatest love..... Venus gets addicted to the obsessive passion from Pluto.... Venus wants to please Pluto.... It could be dominated or controlled by Pluto....And Pluto would dig deep into the soul of Venus.
what does the Venus person feel? Just a magnetic attraction to the Pluto person? Does it go any deeper than that?
Quoted it wrong... My reply is ^^
Interesting. I have venus/pluto conjunct with my lady. I'm the venus person and she's the pluto. I feel like if anyone would be the obsessed person it would be me. Also, my moon and jupiter falls into her 8H.
I don't know..maybe she's hiding it well.
I don't believe the take that only Pluto is obsessive and can break away. It is never that simple. If Pluto rules someone's Desc and sits on their IC, and someone's Venus touches their Plutonian by conjunction,square or opposition are going to have a magnificent Venus-Pluto....
Venus can break away too... Venus can weild power by holding Pluto's obsession.... Pluto wants to know it all.... What if Venus holds back? Pluto goes into rage mode.... Not a good sight tho. Of course this is an extreme but happens often.
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Posted by NotSoInstantPosted by Shooting_the_Moon_that_I_call_MarsPosted by NotSoInstantPosted by Shooting_the_Moon_that_I_call_MarsThe aspect as such is obsessive....Some people don't feel it as much because the planets (Venus or Pluto ) aren't important in their chart.... In my chart Venus and Pluto are in their own signs, angle rulers and in angles.... so I get the obsessive qualities..Posted by NotSoInstantPosted by Shooting_the_Moon_that_I_call_MarsPosted by NotSoInstantPosted by SpiceNSugarYesss!
Does the Pluto person in a Venus/Pluto conjunction have a tendency to feel constant and strong feelings of jealousy?
Venus-Pluto opposition can be one of the greatest love..... Venus gets addicted to the obsessive passion from Pluto.... Venus wants to please Pluto.... It could be dominated or controlled by Pluto....And Pluto would dig deep into the soul of Venus.
what does the Venus person feel? Just a magnetic attraction to the Pluto person? Does it go any deeper than that?
Quoted it wrong... My reply is ^^
Interesting. I have venus/pluto conjunct with my lady. I'm the venus person and she's the pluto. I feel like if anyone would be the obsessed person it would be me. Also, my moon and jupiter falls into her 8H.
I don't know..maybe she's hiding it well.
I don't believe the take that only Pluto is obsessive and can break away. It is never that simple. If Pluto rules someone's Desc and sits on their IC, and someone's Venus touches their Plutonian by conjunction,square or opposition are going to have a magnificent Venus-Pluto....
Venus can break away too... Venus can weild power by holding Pluto's obsession.... Pluto wants to know it all.... What if Venus holds back? Pluto goes into rage mode.... Not a good sight tho. Of course this is an extreme but happens often.
We're both heavy plutonian. Venus though is like her 5th dominant planet while Venus is my 3rd dominant planet.
Most of our aspects would paint her as the one with a stars in her eyes but that's most definitely me. Astrology is fascinating..
Would you care to post the natals and the synastry? I will take a look at those aspects alone...
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Posted by NotSoInstantPosted by Shooting_the_Moon_that_I_call_MarsPosted by NotSoInstant(Her)Posted by Shooting_the_Moon_that_I_call_MarsPosted by NotSoInstantPosted by Shooting_the_Moon_that_I_call_MarsThe aspect as such is obsessive....Some people don't feel it as much because the planets (Venus or Pluto ) aren't important in their chart.... In my chart Venus and Pluto are in their own signs, angle rulers and in angles.... so I get the obsessive qualities..Posted by NotSoInstantPosted by Shooting_the_Moon_that_I_call_MarsPosted by NotSoInstantPosted by SpiceNSugarYesss!
Does the Pluto person in a Venus/Pluto conjunction have a tendency to feel constant and strong feelings of jealousy?
Venus-Pluto opposition can be one of the greatest love..... Venus gets addicted to the obsessive passion from Pluto.... Venus wants to please Pluto.... It could be dominated or controlled by Pluto....And Pluto would dig deep into the soul of Venus.
what does the Venus person feel? Just a magnetic attraction to the Pluto person? Does it go any deeper than that?
Quoted it wrong... My reply is ^^
Interesting. I have venus/pluto conjunct with my lady. I'm the venus person and she's the pluto. I feel like if anyone would be the obsessed person it would be me. Also, my moon and jupiter falls into her 8H.
I don't know..maybe she's hiding it well.
I don't believe the take that only Pluto is obsessive and can break away. It is never that simple. If Pluto rules someone's Desc and sits on their IC, and someone's Venus touches their Plutonian by conjunction,square or opposition are going to have a magnificent Venus-Pluto....
Venus can break away too... Venus can weild power by holding Pluto's obsession.... Pluto wants to know it all.... What if Venus holds back? Pluto goes into rage mode.... Not a good sight tho. Of course this is an extreme but happens often.
We're both heavy plutonian. Venus though is like her 5th dominant planet while Venus is my 3rd dominant planet.
Most of our aspects would paint her as the one with a stars in her eyes but that's most definitely me. Astrology is fascinating..
Would you care to post the natals and the synastry? I will take a look at those aspects alone...
(Me)
(Synastry)
Will you edit the chart post and paste synastry (2) chart from astro.com. This one works as a transit form and not easy to read. Biwheels are good to read.
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Posted by ShadowcatPosted by Gemini25Can you use astro.com or astrotheme? I can't read cafe astrology's charts as well as I'd like toPosted by ShadowcatPosted by Gemini25I have venus conjunct pluto but the two aspects aren't that different imo. However it's unlikely that the aspect alone caused this. Can you post the house overlays for you two?Posted by Shadowcat3.05 orb
What orb is it?
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Posted by NotSoInstantoh, God, this is true about Saturn.Posted by Infinite8Posted by NotSoInstantCould you explain more about the Venus Saturn opposition, please?Posted by Gemini25Valid orb.
So the orb I pretty strong? 3.05?
And yes, it is one of the heartbreak aspects... Along with Venus Saturn opposition. But a magnificent love tho.
When Venus wants to commit,Saturn takes time to see if they are sure about it.... But by then Venus would feel unloved and would cut off ties.
Then Saturn wants to commit because now he is sure that Venus is his love. Along with Pluto-Venus,it is the heartbreak jackpott 😢
When Saturn loves, he can put any other planet to shame. Yes, that includes Pluto even. Lol His commitment and loyalty can be unwavering and unmatched. But it takes time for him to get there.
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Posted by NotSoInstantedit* I should also mention that I met her through another girl and the moment I heard her name I was pretty much entranced. So make of that what you will.Posted by Shooting_the_Moon_that_I_call_MarsPosted by NotSoInstantPosted by Shooting_the_Moon_that_I_call_MarsPosted by NotSoInstantPosted by Shooting_the_Moon_that_I_call_MarsThe aspect as such is obsessive....Some people don't feel it as much because the planets (Venus or Pluto ) aren't important in their chart.... In my chart Venus and Pluto are in their own signs, angle rulers and in angles.... so I get the obsessive qualities..Posted by NotSoInstantPosted by Shooting_the_Moon_that_I_call_MarsPosted by NotSoInstantPosted by SpiceNSugarYesss!
Does the Pluto person in a Venus/Pluto conjunction have a tendency to feel constant and strong feelings of jealousy?
Venus-Pluto opposition can be one of the greatest love..... Venus gets addicted to the obsessive passion from Pluto.... Venus wants to please Pluto.... It could be dominated or controlled by Pluto....And Pluto would dig deep into the soul of Venus.
what does the Venus person feel? Just a magnetic attraction to the Pluto person? Does it go any deeper than that?
Quoted it wrong... My reply is ^^
Interesting. I have venus/pluto conjunct with my lady. I'm the venus person and she's the pluto. I feel like if anyone would be the obsessed person it would be me. Also, my moon and jupiter falls into her 8H.
I don't know..maybe she's hiding it well.
I don't believe the take that only Pluto is obsessive and can break away. It is never that simple. If Pluto rules someone's Desc and sits on their IC, and someone's Venus touches their Plutonian by conjunction,square or opposition are going to have a magnificent Venus-Pluto....
Venus can break away too... Venus can weild power by holding Pluto's obsession.... Pluto wants to know it all.... What if Venus holds back? Pluto goes into rage mode.... Not a good sight tho. Of course this is an extreme but happens often.
We're both heavy plutonian. Venus though is like her 5th dominant planet while Venus is my 3rd dominant planet.
Most of our aspects would paint her as the one with a stars in her eyes but that's most definitely me. Astrology is fascinating..
Would you care to post the natals and the synastry? I will take a look at those aspects alone...
(Synastry)
(SORRY- NATAL CHARTS)
(Her)
(Me)
You guys are Plutonic/Scorpionic.... I would say you even more than her.... Your Scorpio planets are in your first house and Pluto, your chart ruler conjuncts your Asc, Sun(MC ruler) and Venus (Desc ruler)..... You would look for Plutonic relationships... Since conjunctions are far more stronger than her trines to her Pluto, you are definitely far more Plutonic and yes,will be obsessive lol....
Doesn't mean she isn't feeling anything... You wouldn't be too aware of it unless you were to learn through your Scorpio Mercury.
Your SouthNode/Chiron is conjunct her moon.... now I'm not sure if you need any sort of healing in this life... This is a karmic tie and their will be a feeling of having known this person earlier on... South Nodal contacts tend to hold us back and most couples tend to move on once the karma is cleared up.
But in your case, you guys have a fixed Grand Cross.... Angles and the planets around the angles (Your Scorpio planets, her mercury,Saturn along with angles are involved in this)It is one of the most stable geometric patterns...very very difficult to get out of type of relationship ship. Even when it hurts, couples learn to stick around.... Due to their fixed nature. Also you guys have a lovely Kite pattern... With the Scorpio planets as the apex of the kite. Stable pattern.
There are intense aspects.... One thing, her Saturn conjuncts your IC.... Saturn rulers her second house.... You could find this aspect a bit restrictive... As if she isn't receptive or understanding of your innermost feelings... Or she may be the provider in the relationship.... Not sure.
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Posted by ShadowcatOverall how the synastry is looking between us and why I can't forget him. I posted the chart a little further up on this pagePosted by Gemini25What question aboit your aspect do you have? Specifically? I have venus pluto and am in a relationship where it's activated. I'm asking to be as helpful as possible.
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Posted by NotSoInstantPosted by Shooting_the_Moon_that_I_call_MarsPosted by NotSoInstantedit* I should also mention that I met her through another girl and the moment I heard her name I was pretty much entranced. So make of that what you will.Posted by Shooting_the_Moon_that_I_call_MarsPosted by NotSoInstantPosted by Shooting_the_Moon_that_I_call_MarsPosted by NotSoInstantPosted by Shooting_the_Moon_that_I_call_MarsThe aspect as such is obsessive....Some people don't feel it as much because the planets (Venus or Pluto ) aren't important in their chart.... In my chart Venus and Pluto are in their own signs, angle rulers and in angles.... so I get the obsessive qualities..Posted by NotSoInstantPosted by Shooting_the_Moon_that_I_call_MarsPosted by NotSoInstantPosted by SpiceNSugarYesss!
Does the Pluto person in a Venus/Pluto conjunction have a tendency to feel constant and strong feelings of jealousy?
Venus-Pluto opposition can be one of the greatest love..... Venus gets addicted to the obsessive passion from Pluto.... Venus wants to please Pluto.... It could be dominated or controlled by Pluto....And Pluto would dig deep into the soul of Venus.
what does the Venus person feel? Just a magnetic attraction to the Pluto person? Does it go any deeper than that?
Quoted it wrong... My reply is ^^
Interesting. I have venus/pluto conjunct with my lady. I'm the venus person and she's the pluto. I feel like if anyone would be the obsessed person it would be me. Also, my moon and jupiter falls into her 8H.
I don't know..maybe she's hiding it well.
I don't believe the take that only Pluto is obsessive and can break away. It is never that simple. If Pluto rules someone's Desc and sits on their IC, and someone's Venus touches their Plutonian by conjunction,square or opposition are going to have a magnificent Venus-Pluto....
Venus can break away too... Venus can weild power by holding Pluto's obsession.... Pluto wants to know it all.... What if Venus holds back? Pluto goes into rage mode.... Not a good sight tho. Of course this is an extreme but happens often.
We're both heavy plutonian. Venus though is like her 5th dominant planet while Venus is my 3rd dominant planet.
Most of our aspects would paint her as the one with a stars in her eyes but that's most definitely me. Astrology is fascinating..
Would you care to post the natals and the synastry? I will take a look at those aspects alone...
(Synastry)
(SORRY- NATAL CHARTS)
(Her)
(Me)
You guys are Plutonic/Scorpionic.... I would say you even more than her.... Your Scorpio planets are in your first house and Pluto, your chart ruler conjuncts your Asc, Sun(MC ruler) and Venus (Desc ruler)..... You would look for Plutonic relationships... Since conjunctions are far more stronger than her trines to her Pluto, you are definitely far more Plutonic and yes,will be obsessive lol....
Doesn't mean she isn't feeling anything... You wouldn't be too aware of it unless you were to learn through your Scorpio Mercury.
Your SouthNode/Chiron is conjunct her moon.... now I'm not sure if you need any sort of healing in this life... This is a karmic tie and their will be a feeling of having known this person earlier on... South Nodal contacts tend to hold us back and most couples tend to move on once the karma is cleared up.
But in your case, you guys have a fixed Grand Cross.... Angles and the planets around the angles (Your Scorpio planets, her mercury,Saturn along with angles are involved in this)It is one of the most stable geometric patterns...very very difficult to get out of type of relationship ship. Even when it hurts, couples learn to stick around.... Due to their fixed nature. Also you guys have a lovely Kite pattern... With the Scorpio planets as the apex of the kite. Stable pattern.
There are intense aspects.... One thing, her Saturn conjuncts your IC.... Saturn rulers her second house.... You could find this aspect a bit restrictive... As if she isn't receptive or understanding of your innermost feelings... Or she may be the provider in the relationship.... Not sure.
There are so many similarities we both share when it comes to family members (matching signs too) and of course, I need healing. I think we all do. She reminds me a lot of my mom (she passed away) and their charts show a closeness in energy.
She did mention that I would feel restricted because of her Saturn. I won't lie, sometimes I do feel this but I feel this with almost everyone I come into contact with. It's a "me" thing, I would say.
She hasn't had the best upbringing (I would be the provider) and she's endured way more than her fair share of pain. I don't know if we're supposed to be together or not, I'll I know is I'm supposed to help her. I'm supposed to love her because she has never experienced that in her life outside of her two sisters. This is where she reminds me of my mom a lot. My mom was sick and the virgo is also sick. There's a lot of pain I think that we both expose to each other because of our stories but we're helping each other.
I struggle too much with restricting myself out of fear and trying to love someone the most I can.
I apologized to her the other day if I came off obsessive and overwhelming because I'm too..loving sometimes. She told me to not apologize and that she doesn't think that. She said it was just right. Probably the best and most comforting thing she's said to me..probably the thing I needed to hear in general.
Wow! Your synastry shows a lot of what you said... South node/Chiron.... You could be a healer. I do see how she could remind you of your mother/similar situation....Looks like some good way for you to clear up Karma(if you believe in it).
Be yourself.... You will grow as a person in this relationship.... and I hope she gets better.... Sorry about your mother 🤗
I hear you, your chart shows the way you would show your love. Why apologize? I'm sure she understands, she may not tell you though unless you were to talk it openly.
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