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What are the effects of the planets in the 11th house?
Sun and Venus in 11th.
Sun, Venus and Mercury (venus and mercury conjunct) in 11tth.
I am totally unconventional
I am totally unconventional
My Scorpio father has a CRAZY 11th house.
Mars - Libra 1 degree
Moon - Libra 13 degrees
Venus - Libra 20 degrees
Neptune - Libra 24 degrees
Saturn - Scorpio 1 degree
Mars - Libra 1 degree
Moon - Libra 13 degrees
Venus - Libra 20 degrees
Neptune - Libra 24 degrees
Saturn - Scorpio 1 degree
Posted by JustJulesIm Aries Sun and Scorpio moon just like your ex and I can totally relate to his feeling.
Not sure, but my most intense relationships were with two sun Scorpios, and my ex husband was Aries sun/Scorpio moon. I agree totally that it clouds how we view reality in regards to relationships, giving a rose-colored glasses effect. This is in direct contrast with my heavy Virgo placements, especially the Mercury.
You made mention of your ex. Mine was similar, he was very controlling and possessive. He once told me he wished he could put me in a lucite box so only he could see me or talk to me. Reminded me of the movie "Boxing Helena". Feeling desired is nice, feeling owned was terrible...
I also think having a Libra moon doesn't help, we just everything to be peaceful and happy without conflict.
In our head its just a way to protect our lover from external influences.
I guess that you felt loved like never before, its just a matter of intensity.
Jupiter?!
The 11th house is also considered a house that rules money, but not in a constant or direct way such as the 2nd and the 8th do. The 11th house is mostly responsible of a big fortune, the wealth of your dreams that can appear in one’s reality once in a lifetime. Jupiter placed here is the best natal aspect someone can have for such a celestial gift, and there will be probably some friend’s help involved in achieving it. In case you have an eleventh house Jupiter, examine whether you have the cusps of the 2nd or 8th house placed in Sagittarius; if yes then you have even more possibilities of observing such a pattern happen in your life.
The 11th house is also considered a house that rules money, but not in a constant or direct way such as the 2nd and the 8th do. The 11th house is mostly responsible of a big fortune, the wealth of your dreams that can appear in one’s reality once in a lifetime. Jupiter placed here is the best natal aspect someone can have for such a celestial gift, and there will be probably some friend’s help involved in achieving it. In case you have an eleventh house Jupiter, examine whether you have the cusps of the 2nd or 8th house placed in Sagittarius; if yes then you have even more possibilities of observing such a pattern happen in your life.
Posted by Deedee86I would say that Jupiter in the 2nd is more powerful for money.
Jupiter?!
The 11th house is also considered a house that rules money, but not in a constant or direct way such as the 2nd and the 8th do. The 11th house is mostly responsible of a big fortune, the wealth of your dreams that can appear in one’s reality once in a lifetime. Jupiter placed here is the best natal aspect someone can have for such a celestial gift, and there will be probably some friend’s help involved in achieving it. In case you have an eleventh house Jupiter, examine whether you have the cusps of the 2nd or 8th house placed in Sagittarius; if yes then you have even more possibilities of observing such a pattern happen in your life.
Posted by Gem_from_VenusPosted by raad182I've heard before that Jupiter in the 11th can bring windfalls, but they can go just as quickly. It's not a house associated with accumulating wealth, but more with luck.Posted by Deedee86I would say that Jupiter in the 2nd is more powerful for money.
Jupiter?!
The 11th house is also considered a house that rules money, but not in a constant or direct way such as the 2nd and the 8th do. The 11th house is mostly responsible of a big fortune, the wealth of your dreams that can appear in one’s reality once in a lifetime. Jupiter placed here is the best natal aspect someone can have for such a celestial gift, and there will be probably some friend’s help involved in achieving it. In case you have an eleventh house Jupiter, examine whether you have the cusps of the 2nd or 8th house placed in Sagittarius; if yes then you have even more possibilities of observing such a pattern happen in your life.click to expand
I'll take it!
Posted by Gem_from_VenusPosted by raad182I've heard before that Jupiter in the 11th can bring windfalls, but they can go just as quickly. It's not a house associated with accumulating wealth, but more with luck.Posted by Deedee86I would say that Jupiter in the 2nd is more powerful for money.
Jupiter?!
The 11th house is also considered a house that rules money, but not in a constant or direct way such as the 2nd and the 8th do. The 11th house is mostly responsible of a big fortune, the wealth of your dreams that can appear in one’s reality once in a lifetime. Jupiter placed here is the best natal aspect someone can have for such a celestial gift, and there will be probably some friend’s help involved in achieving it. In case you have an eleventh house Jupiter, examine whether you have the cusps of the 2nd or 8th house placed in Sagittarius; if yes then you have even more possibilities of observing such a pattern happen in your life.click to expand
The 11th is the house of bizarre, unexpected circumstances, sudden wealth or poverty.
Jupiter in the 11th would expand someones eccentric unbelieveable life, could indicate lottery winning or unexpected fame besides that the person would probably be a very intelligent person.
Posted by Gem_from_Venus
I have Jupiter in Pisces in the 11th. It's trine Venus and Neptune. This is probably my favorite placement. I think it brings me good luck and ease with people, and it really ramps up my intuition about people.
We are almost the same. I have Jupiter in Pisces in the 11th trine Neptune as well.
Posted by raad182I once found $ 18,000 in a shoebox in the basement of my old house. It was built in the 1920's all of the bills were from the 1950's.Posted by Gem_from_VenusPosted by raad182I've heard before that Jupiter in the 11th can bring windfalls, but they can go just as quickly. It's not a house associated with accumulating wealth, but more with luck.Posted by Deedee86I would say that Jupiter in the 2nd is more powerful for money.
Jupiter?!
The 11th house is also considered a house that rules money, but not in a constant or direct way such as the 2nd and the 8th do. The 11th house is mostly responsible of a big fortune, the wealth of your dreams that can appear in one’s reality once in a lifetime. Jupiter placed here is the best natal aspect someone can have for such a celestial gift, and there will be probably some friend’s help involved in achieving it. In case you have an eleventh house Jupiter, examine whether you have the cusps of the 2nd or 8th house placed in Sagittarius; if yes then you have even more possibilities of observing such a pattern happen in your life.
The 11th is the house of bizarre, unexpected circumstances, sudden wealth or poverty.
Jupiter in the 11th would expand someones eccentric unbelieveable life, could indicate lottery winning or unexpected fame besides that the person would probably be a very intelligent person.click to expand
Posted by raad182Bizarre, unconventional, individual... hmm.
This is one of the most fascinating houses.
Some keywords: Original, genius, individual, community, unexpected events, unexpected gains or losses, inspiring, innovative, futuristic, bizarre, unconventional, groups, electricity, goals, rebellious attitude, technology...
My moon lives in the 11th house.
I've never identified with 'groups n friends'
description, but this one is a little different.
😛
Posted by MontgomeryI've been studying Astrology for a year by nowPosted by raad182Bizarre, unconventional, individual... hmm.
This is one of the most fascinating houses.
Some keywords: Original, genius, individual, community, unexpected events, unexpected gains or losses, inspiring, innovative, futuristic, bizarre, unconventional, groups, electricity, goals, rebellious attitude, technology...
My moon lives in the 11th house.
I've never identified with 'groups n friends'
description, but this one is a little different.
😛
click to expand
Thanks
I have Venus in the 11th house too.
Michael Bloomberg - Jupiter Gemini 11th = Communication technology billionaire
Oprah
Moon and Mars in the 11th house
Mars square Uranus in the 7th - fame indicator
Moon and Mars in the 11th house
Mars square Uranus in the 7th - fame indicator
Uranus in the 11th for me.
Saturn in the 11th here.
http://freespiritedmind.com/blog/natal-saturn-in-the-11th-house/
http://freespiritedmind.com/blog/natal-saturn-in-the-11th-house/
An individual with his natal Saturn in the 11th house will be very careful and serious about his friendships. The barrier he imposes may sometimes alienate him from groups and companies; nevertheless it can also act as a great filter for making the best choices concerning his friendships.
As many other astrological houses that are above the horizon, the 11th is a rather good placement for one’s natal Saturn. The house is ruled by Aquarius and planet Uranus, yet we should not forget that before Uranus’ discovery the ringed planet Saturn was considered as the sign’s ruler. Indeed, Saturn feels quite comfortable in Aquarius, and even functions in a rather open and liberated way, inheriting many of the sign’s traits.
In case that Saturn is well-aspected, the planet will actually manifest as a benefic planet, building long-lasting relationships with friends and groups that are becoming even better when they mature. Saturn’s good side indicates stability and support, and the native’s eleventh house will eventually become a basis on which he can always find shelter and safe-haven through difficulties.
Saturn can bring quite a lot of friends who are of an older nature than the chart owner. This usually indicates a wonderful relationship with one (or more) grandparents, which the individual was considering as real friends during his childhood. This pattern continues during his whole life, as he has learnt to communicate on a higher level with older people. They perceive the native as one of theirs, even if he is still lacking in experience. Indeed, he can frequently follow a lot of the elders’ traits, and many times find through them shortcuts to wisdom that another person would need years to reach.
On the other hand, an adversely aspected Saturn can bring quite a lot of loneliness. The native may not trust his friends and generally abstain from group gatherings, while also have an automatic disdain towards being a member of organizations. He will like his loneliness and find comfort in it; large groups of people suffocate him and he builds an inner barrier towards such kind of events. Difficult aspects with Mars or Pluto may indicate traumas concerning friends in his childhood, which probably made the individual feel as a social outcast. Alternatively, he may have been pressured a lot by friends and feeling that a friendship has a lot of responsibilities; this may lead to preferring to pass a lot of time on his own.
A person with Saturn in the 11th house does not open his gates easily to strangers. He prefers to hang out with people he already trusts during long time, and who have proven to be real friends. This characteristic may even lead to rejecting new acquaintances, which can be rather unfair if exercised towards everyone without even giving a chance.
When being a part of a group, such an individual will always preserve his individual traits and will never blend totally. Even in social circles that function with balance he prefers to be a lonely wolf placed at the borders of the group, than lose his identity in the collective soul.
The 11th house rules goals and dreams, while also is the hidden house responsible for large wealth. Saturn placed in it does not necessarily mean failures in these matters; but definitely will delay them until the second part of one’s life. Of course, the aspects to natal Saturn have a very strong influence and adverse ones may make such achievements a quite difficult battle. Nevertheless, a well-aspected can bring a lot of fortune during the native’s old age, which can be also connected to good karma worked out through giving care and attention to old people. One could say that the grandfather’s blessings to the grandson will come into action in the right moment, and even grant a very pleasant last part of life to the individual.
A person with natal Saturn in the 11th house is probably the best choice for the planning and organizing of a group of people. Saturn grants a strategic mind, being able to understand thoroughly the way that a group is structured and choosing correct patterns for building it. The native views groups as an architect would view a building to be constructed. A small disadvantage would be that such a native will be rather slower in developing the structure of the system, nevertheless this would enhance its stability and it would last longer. Curiously enough, the native himself would not like to be a part of it, even if he was the major contributor in its creation!
If you have such a natal placement, enhance it as much as you can through caring of the elder people around you. By giving love to people that most others forget you can brighten up their lives and make their final stage a lot more pleasant. In return, Saturn will not forget about you- his gifts may take long time to come but are also long lasting.
Wanted to find something about reading goals as a saturn in the 11th house person but couldnt so... meh.
but i feel the friendship thing rings true.
but i feel the friendship thing rings true.
Found another 11th house saturn link, thought this was good:
http://astroarena12.blogspot.com/2016/02/saturn-in-11th-house.html
http://astroarena12.blogspot.com/2016/02/saturn-in-11th-house.html
The 11th House can be a confusing place. The best way I can explain this house is that whatever is in your 11th House (planet or sign) cannot be expressed in a “normal” fashion. The more you try to express that energy in a straight line, the more chaotic it will become. That’s why being born with Saturn in the 11th House is not easy to wrap your head around. Basically, it’s your responsibility to find different ways to be responsible. You cannot pursue your purpose in life in a conventional manner. The more you do, the harder it’s going to become. For 11th House Saturn people, the challenge revolves around releasing preconceived notions or rigid expectations: of yourself, of other people, and of life itself. Whatever happens, you have to have the strength to just go with it.
It’s why this is actually one of the lighter, freer Saturn placements you can have. With Saturn in the 11th, growing up does not involve the traditional measures of growing up. There is no room for tradition or convention in the 11th House, even when we’re dealing with rule-bound Saturn. This is the place in your birth chart where many of those rules just don’t matter or make sense. So, it’s why, with this placement, you are going to experience a deep feeling of fear or doubt regarding embracing a lack of rules or guidelines. The backwards nature of the 11th House shows that, when Saturn in the 11th House individuals are avoiding their responsibility in life, they are actually trying their hardest to be responsible.
At this stage of their development, these folks try to dot all their i’s and cross all their t’s. There can be a resistance to either being unconventional or to embracing the unexpected in life. Instead, they seek to be control freaks who have everything planned out or in order. They might also strive to be seen as supposedly normal, not gaining too much attention for being different or out of the ordinary. In their mind, they might feel as if they are truly being responsible and adult-like. But, those with Saturn in the 11th truly grow up when they learn to throw the rule book out the window some and not care that much what other people think.
After all, a certain amount of maturity comes from making your own rules and standing strong in the face of people’s disapproval or judgment. It’s that judgment, that feeling of being looked at as such a weirdo or unacceptable person, that haunts the 11th House Saturn. There can be early social instances where they were painfully reminded of just how different they are. Bullying, peer pressure, or social ostracizing are quite common for many people growing up. For some people, they can end up leaving some serious scars. That’s often the case for those with Saturn in the 11th House. Many of these folks often have a tale or two from childhood or adolescence that has haunted them ever since. While some people can look back and laugh at memories of social awkwardness or embarrassment, it hits those with this placement on a level that’s rather traumatic. Being teased for being a bookworm, poor, overweight, uncool, or anything else that went against their peers’ standards can be harsh words that they still hear in their head well into adulthood.
So, this can lead to the overcompensation: the desperate attempt to be super-cool, super-successful, or all-around popular. But, while Saturn is ambitious and goal-oriented, its principles do not get conventionally expressed in the 11th House. Instead, they’re turned upside down. This can lead to a very frustrating feeling that Saturn in the 11th House people have of never getting the respect or the success that they want. As long as they are focused on getting respect and success, it’s not really going to happen for them the way that they want it. This is something that comes to a head during their Saturn Return in the 11th. It can be a time where they keep trying to climb that mountain of esteem and popularity and do nothing but slip and fall. Projects crumble, social events become a disaster, goals start feeling more and more ridiculous. It will continue to feel that way, so long as they keep trying to gain their success in the conventional way.
This series of tests will bring them face-to-face with their true purpose, if they should, hopefully, accept it. This purpose is to not define their success and their awesomeness based on what society thinks. It’s to think outside the box when it comes to their goals and their purpose in life. The more Saturn in the 11th House people stop seeking recognition and achievement, the more recognized and accomplished they will be. It’s a crazy thing but that’s just how the 11th House works. It rebels against our expectations, so we have to learn to have none in this part of our chart. When it comes to Saturn in the 11th, you must develop the strength to expect little to nothing, at least in a self-focused way. The 11th House is about other people. So, having Saturn in the 11th House is about learning how to strive for other people’s success while remaining detached about your own.
It’s an attitude that manifests in two ways. First off, it turns 11th House Saturn folks into veritable genies out in the world. Your wish is their command. With this placement, you will end up feeling far more accomplished when you can dedicate yourself to things that will help other people get ahead. Even if you are working on something that’s more so about you, you absolutely must develop this collaborative spirit. That’s your responsibility: to be a strong, successful collaborator. In return, not getting attached to what you’re going to get out of the process will end up causing amazing success to manifest in your life without you even expecting it. When you release those expectations, it has a magical effect. Awesome things happen without you having to try that hard.
We live in a world where so many people are trying way too hard: to impress, to gain approval, to get to the top. But, those with Saturn in the 11th gain their strength and structure from, basically, learning when it’s necessary to not give a shit, which is the second positive way this position can manifest. If you approve of the path that you’re on, then that’s all that matters. You don’t have to perform for anyone anymore. Your Saturn Return in the 11th House should teach you that. It’s going to be a very liberating time for you, even though it might initially feel like the stress of people’s expectations is weighing on you more heavily than ever. But, hopefully, you will experience a real breakthrough (an 11th House word) during your Saturn Return in the 11th. This can be a time where you just wake up one day and say, “To hell with what people think”, totally changing your life. You can stop being that bullied little boy or girl, so obsessed with the cool kids’ approval, and learn that all you need is your own approval. This is the road to true adulthood, for you.
Therefore, it’s basically a part of your responsibility to be quite the rebel. You will know that you’re finding the structure you need in life when you stop becoming so invested in what people say about you, whether it’s people on the job, in your community, or even your family and friends. It’s a healthy kind of detachment and lack of caring. As long as you’re being a kind, respectful person who treats others equally, then who cares what they say? This compels you to embrace your inner freak, allowing yourself to get weird and wild when needed. Saturn in the 11th is a very intriguing combination of authority and free-spiritedness. You have the inner authority to make up and follow your own rules, as long as they’re not getting you into too much trouble, of course. Yet, it’s also your duty to cause a bit of trouble or mischief, to shake things up and challenge people’s thinking.
In doing so, you will learn how to liberate other people, as well. With this placement, once you come to a place of healing for your own inner bullying victim, you can come to see just how much of an epidemic bullying is. It certainly doesn’t end in high school. People ostracize, judge, cut down, and mock people well into adulthood for all sorts of superficial reasons. We’re all pretty aware of that. But, those with Saturn in the 11th House have a responsibility to do something about this. You are not living up to your calling in life when you stand back and watch someone else get picked on or excluded. Instead, you have to see it as a social calling to be that person who knows how to show kindness and lack of judgment, to make everyone feel like they’re an important person who deserves respect. You have to step up to the plate by becoming a true egalitarian.
The 11th House is so associated with groups. But, I think, in the end, we should see the 11th House as being concerned with the massive, collective group that is humanity. As we’re all human beings, there’s no reason why any of us should be excluded from the “group.” We all have the same qualifications, when you take away any arrogance or snobbery. This is why I believe many Saturn in the 11th House individuals are somehow scared of or skeptical of groups. It’s because they don’t like anything that feels exclusive, sometimes even if it’s an organization or a company that’s working toward a higher cause or ideal. But, it’s your responsibility to work hard (Saturn) toward these higher causes (11th House). So, you’ve got to get over that skepticism, understanding that a group isn’t exclusive if it’s working for the greater good of everyone. And it’s your personal obligation to dedicate yourself to anything that will make a difference in the world.
http://astroarena12.blogspot.com/2016/02/saturn-in-11th-house.html
Yet, you’re also supposed to resist exclusivity. It’s interesting because I often read that an 11th House Saturn brings restriction to friendships. It does but not because the 11th House represents “friends”, as we’re so repeatedly told. At least, not your close, personal friendships. That’s your 7th House. In the 11th House, we meet a lot of people who we have common ground with, who we enjoy being around, and who we’re very friendly with. But, there’s a detachment to this house. The social connections we make via our 11th House are the buddies who we’re not that intimate with or close to. We don’t get attached to them. We just see them when we see them and go on about our lives. And with Saturn in the 11th, you’re fated to experience most of your social bonds this way.
So, you are mastering the ability to be really cool with just about everyone; that is, the people you truly like and get along with. Even the people who you might dislike have to be treated with a light cordiality if you happen to run into them. You’re becoming a master networker, complete with no bad vibes and no drama. But, what this is going to do is bring some distance to those close friendships. Saturn in the 11th House people cannot have a squad or a crew that they compulsively stick to. You can’t hang around the same people all the time. Then, your attitude becomes cliquey and exclusive, which is not the purpose of this placement. So, as painful as it may be, you’re going to have to learn to not be too attached to old friends or best friends. You’re going to have to treat them exactly the same as the people you just met at the bar; no better or worse.
This can come to define your Saturn Return in the 11th. Old friendships can become more and more distant. But, it doesn’t have to be a dramatic thing. The 11th House, after all, doesn’t do drama. It just means that you’ve got to let that buddy of yours go, in order to embrace your duty of connecting with all of humanity. And if you don’t let them go, something will happen to end the ties. These close friendships may abruptly break apart. Maybe you suddenly realize that you two just don’t have anything in common anymore and you want to start associating more with people who are more like-minded. Maybe you just suddenly stop texting each other or answering each other’s calls. But, when it happens, you can come to see that it’s not that tragic. There are so many more people that you’re destined to connect to. Your purpose is to be everyone’s buddy. So, if that old friend comes back into your life, great. If not, there are other people to meet. No hard feelings.
It also highlights the idea that you’re supposed to just go with it when challenging or difficult things occur. Trying to fight it and keep everything under control will only result in more chaos and drive you even crazier. But, this brings out your inner genius. You will develop your brilliance by learning to objectively, intelligently deal with whatever hard times happen. In doing so, you will find inventive ways around these situations that bring out your inner experimenter. Since you find such purpose in going against the grain, career options can truly go any which way for you. Whatever you do, you’re going to need to feel free to throw whatever you can to the wall and see what sticks. A profession where you’re a truly equal collaborator is your best bet. And as long as you keep disciplining yourself to connect with others with an open mind, things will pay off.
Posted by MissDiamond4 planets in scorpio (including sun and pluto) will make him pretty scorpionic no matter what house it's in. I think he is watching you and making mental notes, you just dont realize it.
There is this guy I know who has Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Pluto in Scorpio but in the 11th house. There is basically nothing Scorpio-like about him, he acts like a total Aquarius, almost as if he had all those planets in Aquarius. Which is not so surprising because the 11th house is associated with the sign of Aquarius, representing the same archetype.
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The Goddess of Love and all things
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Some keywords: Original, genius, individual, community, unexpected events, unexpected gains or losses, inspiring, innovative, futuristic, bizarre, unconventional, groups, electricity, goals, rebellious attitude, technology...