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Posted by RollergirlOrc
Yep. I feel it's true, Cancers go into their shell. But at the same time, they don't realize that others can be hurt as deeply as well. People aren't manipulative and out to get them all the time. Then once Cancer is hurt, they start to dwell on it and even imagine that this person was deceiving, plotting and planning to hurt them all along and that's simply not true! It's like they get struck with a sword and drive the sword in themselves to make a deeper wound and then say, "See you hurt, you bastard. And now I'm angry. How do you feel about that?" My cancer brother, there was nothing you could do right if he was slighted in any way.



This is been my idea all this long... but more than pointing out flaws... I wonder if there is a work around....


@Arielle dear, nobody is exempt for fucking up... including cancers... voluntary or involuntary... you guys are persistent when you fucked up, and expect that to work... I give you points for that, but what happen when the other person is trying to be persistent when they fucked up? slam in the face with the door...
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Aurora is right. What people miss in here is that it's your job to let someone know if they hurt your feelings then their job to apologize and fix the hurt. So many people on here complain about cancers but once they get into their story you learn that the person never even approached the cancer about it and is basing their feelings of being hurt or ignored on subtle things with the cancer or maybe blatant comments but none that speak about the specific issue they're having. With cancers you cannot assume they are aware because I think lots of times they aren't aware when they hurt other people because of their unpredictable ways to them means going with the flow. They have weird ways with attachment and detachment and they sometimes can't see that people actually hurt when they decided they want to float to another zone or something. They don't see their company as needed by others. They don't know their needed. On the other hand some cancers will purposefully hurt you especially if your the type to throw the first stone and then play victims to anybody that will lend a ear. Don't go to war with a cancer they will always win. They are tenacious pinching little bastards. Or they might be purposefully doing it to see if you can learn to speak up if your the type to communicate badly. They might have started out really open but see your not because of your passive agressive communication then they might give it back to you and communicate like you do so you can see how it feels to have to communicate with someone like that or they will altogether push you out of their life and say your too stressful for me and you gotta go-I don't care about your hurt I come first.Or they might be going through something that has nothing to do with you and shelling on the world. Definately if you make them feel responsible for your feelings or for your own ability to express feelings they won't trust you because it might come off like anything they have to guess at will be hidden and could potentially grow out of control because you won't necessarily come out and just say it. Watch cancers in the beginning. How they are in the beginning before everything went downhill is how they truly are and how they prefer things to be. They were probably open and blunt about most things.
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But cancers do have the ability to shred people's hearts to nothing. And if this is happening then they are fully aware that they could have very possibly hurt you. They know what people feel and can read people well. Sometimes they don't give a shit sometimes they do. One big problem with cancers is that they hurt people and then run away. If they really like that person they are non confrontational and try to hide until they think it's safe to come out or that you forgot about what they did then they'll be sweet for a second and if you blow up at them they run away again and if you show them that your tough enough to hold yourself together under the cancer spell they will be more attracted to you and will be more confident in fixing their fuckups. But if they come back around and see your easily swayed by their actions-that could have nothing to do with you-and your not the type to come out and bluntly tell then what's wrong or fix the last issue then they won't know how to handle you and might fear fucking it up all over again so they keep their distance until either you grow some balls and learn how to speak up and make it less awkward for them or they went in their shell and completely fixed what was bothering you so now they know when they come back they will make you smile instead of cry and won't feel guilty about the whole thing. Cancers are like the nice guy or girl who wants everyone to be happy and when their the ones causing unhappiness they feel guilty and get depressed as think they're a bad person. But if they see you can handle it they won't run and hide they will take you head on and will not sugar coat anything and won't speak in riddles. You can tell this is all true because have you ever seen a cancer that didn't like someone? Then you'll see a cancer that truly doesn't give a fuck. They will be confrontational and might even punch you in the face. But if they like you they won't ever do that but they will keep hiding and coming back out over and over again until someone taps out and surrenders.
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@aurora @kissmygrits I do agree with you on every each person is responsible for their own feelings and how to react to them and how to communicate them to the other party, that is not at least for me on discussion... but I do agree with boxcarminta that also part of being in any relationships is important that at least the other person is considerate to "wonder" if everything is ok, even if you think you have done nothing wrong... is not like —you are hurt because you want to be?? that's why you choose to have a relationship with that person to begin with??_

From there if the other person refuse to communicate that is something else??_ Is true that most people will beat around the bush before feel vulnerable enough to say you hurt me when you said or did so and so??_ and start the communication from there.

Although my biggest issue about this??_ someone offended you as a cancer for so you are hurt of whatever you own to feel, and that triggers all sort of thoughts mostly to think the person who hurt you are the worst in the world, then the other person does their part and acknowledge they did something wrong to you and try to communicate and fix things??_ but you are too fixated with your pain that you refused to listen and shut down, become defensive??_ the other person feels like ok, so I realized what I??ve did, and it sucks I??ve fucked up, I really didn't mean it, let's work things out??_ instead cancer in question turns mean, defensive, ignoring, protective, refuse to listen. Is not they don't care is just, decided to ignore how you could possibly feel, and they are too proud and they already thought the worst of you??_ don't you think you feel hurt too, first I feel terrible that this was my doing, then we try to makes thing right, and then we get ignored??_ that's arrogant??_ that doesn't make you a better person!!! You basically giving pain for pain regardless if that person is repentant??_ and to show you care people keep trying but they stubborn and refuse to listen and responding... and take years!!!!!!!——?_ that behavior make things bigger that they were to begin with or decide unilaterally to move on without considering even having a conversation with the other party?.

This has happened to me on both ends??_ yeah I??ve been hurt and refuse to listen but at least after a reasonable time (not years) I will be open to listen of what other have to say, will decide from there and I??ve been the party who has fu
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This has happened to me on both ends??_ yeah I??ve been hurt and refuse to listen but at least after a reasonable time (not years) I will be open to listen of what other have to say, will decide from there and I??ve been the party who has fucked up as you already know, but cancer refused to listen or even talk about issue for about a year and only because I looked for it because I cared, to finally find out she was mad for something someone said I did, and she didn't even confronted me about it, to make sure it was truth... Completely unaware??_ I kept trying god knows why, but you already know how in pain I was??_ and I think that by that time, she already decided I didn't deserve a chance??_ while things where smooth and we talked things through, she keep ignoring most of the time??_ and at the end of the day, I couldn't stop thinking well we could??ve save us a year of push and pull and also think the —situation?? in question wasn't like a big deal. Is just this whole time she has been thinking the worst of me, and decided instead treat me like as I??ve killed her mom??_

And if you read most of the threads around this forum (obviously keep in 100% one sided stories) most of them sound like the trigger was something really irrelevant or not worthy of that treatment??_ sounds a bit vindictive??_

Redress said is not easy for cancers to let go??_ so why don't you communicate when people gives you the chance? I'm a water sign, things hurt me deep too, emotions sometimes overwhelms me, but when that person comes and do the proper his or her actions will prove me they care about me, I will be defensive specially is recent, but then I will be open to talk and listen and work things out if there is a solution??_ if they turn around and move on, they never care??_ if they repeat the stun over and over you are not sorry, is just that you are an idiot.
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Well cappygirl11 As a cancer I am speaking for myself. The only reason why I lash out is because I am hurting for what you said or did and I want you to feel the same pain I feel.
In essence, it is really bad for that person when I "run" or "disappear" away; however, for me, after I lash out and have my rage fit, I need some time to myself to reflect on what you did and possibly interprete the actions that you did (in a reasonable way) and think about the horrible things I said. For being so angry at myself (cancer) and being such a bitch I would think that you want nothing to do with me and wouldn't want to have a conversation. So it may seem as if said cancer "disappeared" but really they are trying to figure out a way to face you in a non-confrontational way.
just try not to get a cancer angry they use words as a form of a weapon against you. Speaking for myself
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Posted by cappygirl11
Do they realise that other people have emotions as well. That by disappearing and not talking about stuff they literally shatter the other person's heart.

It's like they have no notion that the other person even exists and goes on leading their happy life's leading the destruction behind them
I seriously am going through the same situation. They're so selfish and just don't like to express themselves at all!
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Lol Arielle, no offense to you. But this is how zhe put it, which does make complete sense.
Every person ks individualistic in nature some more than others. It takes a truly selfless person to place someone else before self.
And mind you she is one of the most loving people we know but when it comes to her own hurt or pain, irrespective of who is at fault she will always place herself first. She says that is a selfish tendency. Unfortunately, this has affected quite a few relationships. She cares a lot but would rather be self protextive and is always looking out for that one fault to peoove that she shouldnt be caring enough about someone else.
I still thinks shes amazing but we all steer clear of her when she gets moody.
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Nice :-), i presumed that my short and blunt statement offended you as you replied with "im a treetrunking cancer". Sorry again.
Well she says that the only difference is that when she is hurt it doesnt matter how much she loves or cares about you. She will sit nursing herself until she is ready to come back. All she can think about at that time is herself.

It was a unique perspective for me. Because my libran nature does just the opposite. We think so differently resulting in constant clashes. She invariably returns but we just need to give her space (irrespective of whether you have done something or not) but dont dare not ask her how shes feeling, because then shes like "nobody cares" 😢
Life is fun! Lol
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This is what she said? Wow. I know when the cancers I know put themself over someone it's cuz that someone isn't worthy enough/not that important anyway or that someone has repeatedly fucked up with the cancer so many times that the cancer has to put cancer first because that someone always puts themself or their feelings or their desires before the cancer. The cancers I know are all very selfless people. They will be the first to stop and not just give a homeless person change they might stop and ask why their having trouble and give a few words of encouragement then go buy a whole meal for them. They will be the first to take it strays into their homes. They will be the first to stand up for someone getting bullied and actually fight for them. They will be the first to approach someone crying and try to soothe them. I don't think they are the whiny baby type that goes running away anytime their hurt. I think it's more of a fuck you your not deserving of this love I'll get back with you when you can recognize my worth. For the cancers I know they are anything but weak. They can be insulted and degraded and not liked but it all rolls off their shoulders and they keep their composure and will fight you if they have to but most of the time they say what they gotta say and move on because they might think a fight is not worth lowering their standards for someone that doesn't wet their standards.
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Posted by Starry22
Nice :-), i presumed that my short and blunt statement offended you as you replied with "im a treetrunking cancer". Sorry again.
Well she says that the only difference is that when she is hurt it doesnt matter how much she loves or cares about you. She will sit nursing herself until she is ready to come back. All she can think about at that time is herself.

It was a unique perspective for me. Because my libran nature does just the opposite. We think so differently resulting in constant clashes. She invariably returns but we just need to give her space (irrespective of whether you have done something or not) but dont dare not ask her how shes feeling, because then shes like "nobody cares" 😢
Life is fun! Lol
That remained me something that Crabriot (BTW!!!! WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU BOOO?) while ago in one of her comments... I'm time oriented... I hate uncertainty and at the time I was how long more? how long more?... until she said the same thing your friend told you, but also that the longer the cancer take the deepest was the hurt because you matter for them... she told me not to be proud of (which I'm not because is not an accomplishment). they come back on their time... even if that time sometimes is never :-/
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Posted by Starry22
Nice :-), i presumed that my short and blunt statement offended you as you replied with "im a treetrunking cancer". Sorry again.
Well she says that the only difference is that when she is hurt it doesnt matter how much she loves or cares about you. She will sit nursing herself until she is ready to come back. All she can think about at that time is herself.

It was a unique perspective for me. Because my libran nature does just the opposite. We think so differently resulting in constant clashes. She invariably returns but we just need to give her space (irrespective of whether you have done something or not) but dont dare not ask her how shes feeling, because then shes like "nobody cares" 😢
Life is fun! Lol
That's just her though. Not everyone else born in that month. I wish people would quit squeezing everyone into a tiny box according to their birth date. It's getting on my nerves.
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Lol KMG - totally! Each person handles issues differently. My cancer friend for instance is always ready with an excuse for not doing things, and hopes that we overlook all her errors because of her 'sensitivity'. I just wish she would grow up, and just take each day as it comes, rather than concentrate on the negatives. But she does manage to snap out of it, when we shake her up, I guess that's a case of the Libran air stirring up the waters. Lol.

I just love how people say individuals have to behave in a particular manner because of their sun signs, lets face it I have never met any two people who have behaved in the same way, and I do know people from each of the 12 signs.

I just use this forum as a basis to understand actions of people, and choose that which is applicable to my friend and me.

It doesn't always work, but.. then again, nothing is predictable. 🙂


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Posted by cappygirl11
Do they realise that other people have emotions as well. That by disappearing and not talking about stuff they literally shatter the other person's heart.

It's like they have no notion that the other person even exists and goes on leading their happy life's leading the destruction behind them
I seriously am going through the same situation. They're so selfish and just don't like to express themselves at all!
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I feel your pain
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Posted by Starry22
Nice :-), i presumed that my short and blunt statement offended you as you replied with "im a treetrunking cancer". Sorry again.
Well she says that the only difference is that when she is hurt it doesnt matter how much she loves or cares about you. She will sit nursing herself until she is ready to come back. All she can think about at that time is herself.

It was a unique perspective for me. Because my libran nature does just the opposite. We think so differently resulting in constant clashes. She invariably returns but we just need to give her space (irrespective of whether you have done something or not) but dont dare not ask her how shes feeling, because then shes like "nobody cares" 😢
Life is fun! Lol
That remained me something that Crabriot (BTW!!!! WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU BOOO?) while ago in one of her comments... I'm time oriented... I hate uncertainty and at the time I was how long more? how long more?... until she said the same thing your friend told you, but also that the longer the cancer take the deepest was the hurt because you matter for them... she told me not to be proud of (which I'm not because is not an accomplishment). they come back on their time... even if that time sometimes is never :-/
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This together with my above comment about us bonding so much more deeply and getting closer make perfect sense to me now
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She is 28 years old and holds a degree in accountancy and is currently working towards her degree in nursing. She has a steady boyfriend for the last 7 years who is a real gem of a person. She loves him a lot but wont agree to marry him! On the other hand she has a half sister whom she didnt know for the kongest time but she took her under her wings! Extrenely loving and intelligent but this damn pushing is painful to all of us.
She had a group of work colleagues whom she used to consider as family but she had one snall argument with just one of them and thats it!!! She hurts everyday because she wants to meet them but despite all of us telling her, and theie efforts she wont bow down. Shelled like crazy!
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Please can you kindly help me? I've been crying for the past 4 hours straight. Last night I got into a small fight with my cancer man. I was trying to tell him that although I support him 100% , be patient when he's stressed or absent because of work and always try to be a positive influence, I still have moments when I need some affection.

He didn't take it well. He ideally wants someone who would live their own life and when he is feeling all lovey dovey happy, he would come and give some love which I don't think it's a healthy relationship. For me it's taking someone for granted. I FEEL like I'm taken for granted and that I shouldn't ask for something more and last night I made my point known. I'm not asking for a lot, it's just a weekend night, just so you know.

He's been cold ever since that discussion and today after he dropped me off at home I haven't heard from him. I've been crying for 4 hours and I'm confused. I just want him to tell me that it's okay. I fear that he might be thinking about being done with me. He's online which makes me even more sadder. I don't plan on contacting him first but this situation is killing me and I can't focus on anything else to do.
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You seem like a princess ..When I see a cancer man married , never, but never ,I see married and happy with a girly or boss woman ,, What I see it is that he is in love with someone who have a strong character, like virgo , that don't put so much heart in him but in relationships.. yes.. .. he need and want a strong character not a strong woman.
So you cry ,okeyyy, this is good, because in this case you will do something regard of this relationships. He want and need a woman , you are a little girl ..And I think that he knows this...
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Posted by Arki
You seem like a princess ..When I see a cancer man married , never, but never ,I see married and happy with a girly or boss woman ,, What I see it is that he is in love with someone who have a strong character, like virgo , that don't put so much heart in him but in relationships.. yes.. .. he need and want a strong character not a strong woman.
So you cry ,okeyyy, this is good, because in this case you will do something regard of this relationships. He want and need a woman , you are a little girl ..And I think that he knows this...
I disagree. A strong woman is strong enough to know what her relationship needs are. You don't have to be clingy or whiny to state that MUTUAL affection is a requirement in a relationship. It is not wrong, weak, or childlike to expect that the person who loves you will treat you with respect and give you some attention. Any man who only wants to give affection when he feels like it should be in a relationship with himself.
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Posted by Arielle83
Another thing is that all these threads complaining about cancer behaviour isn't going to solve anything. I get that you guys are all looking for other ppls similar experiences with cancer, so you can feel it's them and not you.

However, if the common experience is brought on by a cancer, why date one? Why should the cancer change who they are to suit you? Cancer is self protective and needs to recharge. It's self preservation. If I'm being pushed into something to suit your logic and behaviour, it isn't going to fly because why should I change who I am?

It comes across that all the complaining is simply intolerance. You can't accept a person for who they are, than you're the problem. I've never known a cancer to change their personality to help you sleep at night. If you want to change a person than you're the red flag.

Take the advice from cancers and learn to understand how they operate rather than ridicule. You're just wasting your time otherwise.

Plus if you criticize a cancer for who they are and how they act, you will get nothing in return but silence. This is because the cancer has no time for petty shit. Judge when you have proof you're perfect.
+1. Been saying the same more or less on other posts (I.e. a lot of these threads are more of a reflection on the OP rather than the Crab in question)
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I love the way Arielle thinks and talks, she's smart and beautiful two qualities every guy wants in a woman.

Cancer's can turn into Debbie downers when they are around it too much I found that out being in a negative work place for so long then I had female staff dragging me down even further with their problems. I'm very much goal oriented like Arielle says I like being out there living life, love making moola and my future is always on my mind. I don't want things dragging me down I want to be happy I don't want to be wallowing in misery. Since I've left the job that made me miserable I'm loving my life again. I spent so many tree trunking years having negativities hand pulling on my pants as I tried to climb out of the hole I kept getting dragged into.

My Aries friend she would start dragging me down at times I would get angry with her she would I'm pretty sure she was horny she wanted sex there were days you could see her nipples were rock hard under her bra. She knew if we slept with each other it would turn things funny between us she's also 16 years older than me.

Are we insensitive? Only when our limits have been pushed I'm pretty tolerant but I do have a point where I turn blunt ya I will hurt feelings I get to the point where I can't take anymore. I have a lot of women say they are shocked how mean I can be they say its a side they've never seen before. If you don't tree trunk with me you won't see my insensitive side again.

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ed this. I never contradicted myself. Each individual has a right to be treated with respect. If aomeone treats you bad and you accept the shabby treatment you show them that its ok to be treated in tbat manner.
I doubt that is an indication of someone having ths upper hand in a relationship.
As for understanding my cancer man, he admires the fact that i am one of the few people who 'gets' him without him having to utter a word. And given the fact that i have 5 cancer friends and only one of them behaves in this particular odd manner. I do like him a lot and he knows that i will always be there for him, but - i will not accept any bad treatment which is meted out to me.

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Thats the way to go girl! You are the prize! In no relationship should amyone have an upper hand. Its equal parts of love and respect. You teach him how to treat you!
You contradicted yourself.

She is the prize.
Teach him how you want to be treated.

So it's okay as long as the woman has the upper hand?

No wonder you all can't understand cancer men.
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Absolutely - all relationships should be equal. But she said that she had given her all and was taken for granted at which stage she needs to step back and deman respect. Some people dont understand compromise and equality when they start taking things for granted. At that stage there is nothing wrong than demanding your share. If the other counterparty doesnt want to do so, then she needs to walk away from the toxicity.
When someone takes you for granted you can show them that you will not stand for it, you are an equal stake holder in the relationship.
I was keeping her entire writeup in perspective while responding :-)
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Posted by Starry22
Frankly - get a grip on yourself!
He lacks empathy! Get on with your life... And let him come back to you. At that point you decide if you still want him around!
i couldnt agree more!! you are young and beutiful! know your worth, dont allow a man to dictate your happiness. he should add to it not destroy it! yes you are hurt but for God sake, have a shower, get dressed and go out there, enjoy your life! when youre least expected something good gonna happen 😉 no more tears please, ull get wrinkles way too soon lol just cheering u up x
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Posted by Starry22
Frankly - get a grip on yourself!
He lacks empathy! Get on with your life... And let him come back to you. At that point you decide if you still want him around!
i couldnt agree more!! you are young and beutiful! know your worth, dont allow a man to dictate your happiness. he should add to it not destroy it! yes you are hurt but for God sake, have a shower, get dressed and go out there, enjoy your life! when youre least expected something good gonna happen 😉 no more tears please, ull get wrinkles way too soon lol just cheering u up x
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oups, Im obviously way too new to this forum and a month late with a reply lol hope all went well still x