Long Distance Relationships and Libra Men

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queridagirl
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18 YearsCapricorn

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Hi everyone!

It's been a while since my last login.... I have been through a rollercoaster ride of emotions in my present relationship... and when in distress I always come here to get some insight... I find this site extremely comforting! Any advice, thoughts or ideas is kindly appreciated!

My Libra husband, is currently overseas...

A few nights ago I sent him a text message to ask him if I could call him at home... he then sent one back to me, to tell me that he was out and that he was about to have dinner and that perhaps he would be home after his meal... When he got home he then sent me a message, asking me to phone him... so I did....

At the beginning of the conversation he was telling me that he had so much to eat and that he was soooo full. Anyway, a few minutes after... he had to ran off the phone... because he had forgotten the stove on because he was cooking something to eat....— How could he come home from having supper and still cook himself a meal? If someone has just finsihed eating, I doubt that they would be cooking themselves something after their meal.... My guess is that he was lying to me!

This isn't the first time he has been inconsistent with his statements...

About a year ago, he had told me that he was going to Finland... when in actual fact he had gone to Brazil! .... Despite having found this out, he continued to lie to me... until the day I got sufficient proof.

On another day he comes back home without his wedding ring and comes up with the lamest excuse ever... that his roomate's wife's brother saw the ring in the bathroom and thought it might have been his wife's ring...

We got married, predominatly so we could be together and so he could work in Europe (I have an EU Passport). Despite that we are hardly ever together...He is always telling me how he is doing everything for us to be together to build a family. Yet, I never see anything concrete happening!

I have tried to be the perfect wife!!!!.... But it's come to a point in my life that I just don't trust the man I am married to... I feel like I have married a stranger...

My personal experience with Libra males has been far from perfect. I find them manipulative, charmers and extremely selfish... What should I do?

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thelibran
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a bit of copy paste from what i have been writing.

((I used to lie a lot to my parents because I found it hard to make them understand the truth. It was time consuming and I figured out it was easy to lie and get rid of all the complications.

Every time I say truth, others used to think I was lying. Then I had to invent lies which match their imagination so they will be convinced that it's the truth. This was always a big trouble for me. For some particular reason, people around me never understood truth. They understood lies better. May be because truth was so simple and not colorful enough to fit the society's idea of truth. ))
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queridagirl
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Thanks thelibran for your message!

My husband says to me that you should talk to business partners as if they were women... "you tell them what they want to hear".... I completely understand what you are saying... sometimes it's easier to to tell people what they want to hear... so they can be convinced that it's the truth.... because if they say otherwise, people will doubt them....

... and I know too that Libra men lie because they do not want to hurt their partner's feelings... but I rather hurt knowing the truth than hurt knowing that I am being manipulated.

I am totally confused, because I don't know what the truth is anymore? Do you think ignoring him for a while... can help bring light on this subject?.... Also, why do Libra men have to talk about love.... why can't they show love! Do you think if he really loves me, he will cross the oceans for me...?
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Queenscorpio
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He probably married you for the EU citizenship since this is what the marriage seemed to be based on there is probably nothing more. He sounds like either a lying or cheating husband to me...

Why not leave him. Was the marriage an arrangement for him to get citizenship? Did he pay you? If so, now that he has it why not divorce him? I know a couple woman who have done this for Jews and Africans in America. They pay them to marry them then after 2 years or however long it takes they divorce. Just legal mumbo jumbo.
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queridagirl
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Queenscorpio... We had been going out for about 8 months. The proposal and wedding event were nothing of the sort every girl dreams of. We had to get married within a specific time frame... so it was done all in a rush! I wonder too, how he would react once he got his citizenship?

Virgo_Libra, when I confront him on the issues, he says that I am being paranoid. He doesn't like to be questioned over and over again, because he says that he has already answered my question. ... But then there are times when some new information slips up in other conversations that don't match up. I then question him, and we get into this whole big argument!

I am really an intuituive gal... and I tend to know when something is wrong (like when he went to Brazil, despite continually saying that he was in Finland)... but I am worried that sometimes my mind may be working overtime... when it shouldn't. The thing is... I don't want to be in this relationship if he is messing around with me....
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little_sparrow
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To be honest, I don't like him.

Of course, you know when he is lying. Truth has a sound and we know it when we here it. Your gut is throwing out big red flags that you are being lied too. The problem is you want to believe him and although you know he is lying ... your need to believe him is in conflict so it is screwing you up. Of course, he turns it around "YOU are paronoid. HE doesn't want to be questioned." He is throwing it back on you because if he scrambles up your brain, you can't catch him.

Take a deep breath. hold ........ and let it go.

He is lying to you. You know it. What are you gonna do about it?
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queridagirl
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little_sparrow thank you so much for your insight! I know you right! I know that he is just trying to screw up my mind more than what it is now.... so he can just continue to do whatever he is doing.... I just really needed an outsiders point of view... to let me know that I am not so crazy after all!

What am I gonna do now?... Don't know yet... I do know however that I don't and shouldn't be treated in a such a manner and that I deserve better.... I have not spoken or messaged him since yesterday. He continues to send me text messages to tell me how much he misses me and that he gets so sad and upset when I don't trust him. I have erased all his numbers and I erase every message I get from him. I just don't wanna talk to him right now.... I don't want to be sucked in his conversation.... (I do hope I can be strong and carry on doing this)...I feel like I need to collect my thougts....

I perhaps need to seek legal advice on this matter.... I am not a mean or hurtful person and wouldn't want to jeopardise his career (i.e. his citizenship).... but then again should I let him get away with murder?...
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thelibran
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Question him without raising your voice or getting angry. Repeatedly question him about everything you are suspicious about. Be honest and tell him you dont trust him and you wish to clarify things once and for all. If he is lying, then there could be many reasons behind it. Though obvious reason sounds like the citizenship, you will have to hear it from his mouth before you confirm it. It could be something else. It could be personal. He may not be finding you as interesting as before and might have met someone else. Tell him if its the citizenship is that he is after, be honest with you and you will understand. Push him to the extremes and see the outcome.

In the first case of dinner, I dont really think he was lying. If he was, he wouldn't have asked you to call him that side. Instead he would have called you. In the second case of ring, its also possible that he was telling the truth. Its possible. But if you were already suspicious about him, it would have been yet another reason for you to doubt him.

There is a definite communication frequency mismatch btween libra and taurus. also taurus hopes for a relationship in which she will feel financially secure but libra don't care about financial security. Taurus will never appreciate nor understand why libra men have many female friends.

So question him and see how it turns out.
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templeofjaguar
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TRUST your intuition. He is lying!!! He has you doubting yourself and your intuition. LS is right red flags all over the place. How many more do you need?

Why does he lie?? Probably because liars love to keep doing what they're doing and getting away with it for as long as YOU let them. He'll ALWAYS have a lie and call it an excuse. He'll ALWAYS be defensive when you challenge him about it.

It's noble of you to care about not messing up his passport but does he care how his lies are hurting you and destroying the trust you are supposed to have in your marriage?

Suspect lies....be wise!!



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I don't post often but I do come & read just about everyday & this one I just couldn't pass up. 1st "taurus hopes for a relationship in which she will feel financially secure but libra don't care about financial security. Taurus will never appreciate nor understand why libra men have many female friends." I for one, have never cared about finances in a partner,in fact men who are well off make me feel insecure, not secure. I've never been one to care about money, I grew up in a family with little money & still to this day work hard for what I have. I don't look for a man to take care of myself & my daughter I do it on my own. I wouldn't feel comfortable with someone paying my bills. What I've learned in life is that money comes & money goes so I wouldn't base a decision concerning love on that. 2nd, I don't have a problem with someone I'm involved with having female friends, as I have male friends & wouldn't be OK with anyone telling me who I could & couldn't be friends with, the problem only occurs when a male/female friendship is kept hidden &/or secretive. If my significant other had female friends I would expect to be introduced & hopefully to gain a new friend. If people are open & honest, if people are sincere & able to compromise irregardless of sign there should be no problem
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CanTaur
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As far as Queridagirl's situation goes I think LS was spot on, Trust your instincts! Of course he doesn't like to be questioned over & over again, that means he has to be on top of all the stories he's told & he has to try to not get caught. Much easier for him if you just trust & believe everything he says & never question anything. For one we are all biased here because we are only hearing your side, however I also know that it's so easy when you are actually in the situation to lie to yourself because you want so badly to believe that someone isn't doing you wrong. On the outside looking in, from what you've shared, I'd say he used & is currently trying to use you for citizenship. I don't have on rose colored glasses, I have no emotion invested. Trust your instincts, they never lead you astray
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I too like a libra who lies a lot..I've always known from the start but since it was casual between us I let it go..but as time goes by and I've gotten even more emotionally involved..I feel it is wrong of him to lie..I hate liars, its not a respect to be lied to and its insulting our intelligence, he's making a fool of us, just because we belived his many lies and he can get away with anything he'll do it again. Love conquers all, if he loves u he will do everything to be together..at least once in a while and talk most of the time. They say that if a libra loves you, you will know it..I've been to that point, where he really makes me feel special, call..talk all the time, send cards and lets me know he loves me every minute of the day..but if u doubt his love, and you have enough proof of his lies..just always trust your instincts..I know it hurts but u have to snap out of this before u drown..

Sorry if I ravel..I just go on and on with my thoughts...

My libra once slipped and told me, that if he gets a speeding ticket 'when I lie they wil never know it, im so good at lying, no one will ever suspect' he seemed really proud of his ability to lie..I hated it. Yes he too is inconsistent with his statements, and when I question him..he would say not matching things that would confuse everything..and now im d one who doesn't trust anybody..when in truth its based on his statements.

They are charmers, bec they seem so kind and nice, we always beleive them.

I have a libra brother too..who is a big liar too, we all know he is lying but he will never admit it, the proof is right in front of us. But he can always get away with thing bec he is a charmer, he will joke or do something nice and we've forgotten about his mistakes...and he will do it again, its an unending cycle of lies, and charming back. Arg its in their nature.

But I suggest leave him..say u can't live this way..if he really wants you, he has to work hard to get u back..and if he doesn't, he just doesn't love u that much. U will move on. There are so many guys out there, they are all alike inside, u just have to get to know them.
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queridagirl
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Hey guys!!!

Thanx for your thoughts and comments. I really do appreciate it!

1_fine_gem you are so right when you say that they feel pride in their ability to lie. Perhaps because they get praised for it by others.... which consequently reinforces this behaviour. I must admit I am guilty. I have praised his ability to manipulate others in the past.... for example at the airport, I always have excess baggage and my husband's charm and his ability to lie and manipulate others, always ensures that my baggage gets "checked in" at the airport counter without having to pay for the excess baggage. I get amazed at how he does it!!!! I never thought however that every aspect of his life was manipulated by lies (otherwise know to Libra's as charm)....until recently! What I am trying to say is that I knew he had lied to me in the past and to others, but I have only recently realized that his whole life is managed by lies and deceit.

My husband continues to send me messages about how much he loves me and begs me not to abandon him. He has no insight that his lies and manipulations are destroying our relationship. He truly believes that he is a victim in this situation and that I am the perpetrator. He has even termed my behaviour towards him as being ?unjust? (typical Libra's trait of Justice) and that all this turmoil in our relationship is due to some kind of misunderstanding.... Yeah right?... He most probably just wants me to feel guilty and give him another opportunity to charm me off my feet (or rather manipulate and lie)... he has even gone to the extent of insinuating that I am involved with some other guy. In the past such comments would have upset me (because I consider myself extremely loyal and devoted and would expect my partner to know that)... but now I just don't even get annoyed... because it's simply one more of his tactics to make me feel guilty to continue to manipulate me.

I think some of my Taurus traits have set in... especially my stubbornness! I am no longer willing to listen to him. I no longer want to hear his pleas or even declarations of love. With each passing day I have been gaining more strength to move away from this dysfunctional relationship. Seriously, people that lie to manipulate others to satisfy their own selfish neeed....need professional help.
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queridagirl
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A passive aggressive person often has a poor self-image and low self esteem.
They blame other people for their situation. They feel disempowered and unable to change things.

Instead of dealing with problems, they always back down publicly.
Rather than have a confrontation, the passive aggressive person acts sneakily.
They lie and deceive. They give their word but do not keep it. They mumble rather than speak clearly.

Sadly, a passive aggressive person actually reinforces their situation by behaving in a manner that encourages other people to mistrust them.
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queridagirl
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Passive aggressive behaviour

Here are some examples of passive aggressive behaviour:
1. act contrary to their feelings
2. act contrary to their word
3. afraid to show their anger openly
4. agree with something when you do not really agree with it
5. ambiguity
6. avoid conflict at all cost by giving in to others, only to deceive them
7. avoids responsibility by claiming forgetfulness
8. blames other people for your own mistakes
9. chronic lateness and forgetfulness
10. complaining
11. failure to be true to your word
12. failure to take responsibility
13. falsehood and benevolent-seeming behaviour
14. fear of intimacy
15. feel pressured to act or believe in a certain way when you really do not want to
16. hide their hostility by seeming to be nice to someone they dislike
17. inability to be honest about their true feelings
18. intentional inefficiency
19. lie habitually
20. losing things
21. making excuses
22. obstructionism
23. procrastination
24. quietly manipulate to get your own way, rather than be honest
25. resentment
26. resists suggestions from others
27. sarcasm
28. stubbornness
29. sullenness
30. tell people what they want to hear

This is not an exhaustive list. It simply provides an indication of what 'passive aggressive' behaviour means.
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queridagirl
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Passive-Aggressive communicators will often:

- mutter to themselves rather than confront the person or issue
- have difficulty acknowledging their anger
- use facial expressions that don't match how they feel - i.e., smiling when angry
- use sarcasm
- deny there is a problem
- appear cooperative while purposely doing things to annoy and disrupt
- use subtle sabotage to get even

The impact of a pattern of passive-aggressive communication is that these individuals:

- become alienated from those around them
- remain stuck in a position of powerlessness (like POWs)
- discharge resentment while real issues are never addressed so they can't mature

The passive-aggressive communicator will say, believe, or behave like:

- ?I'm weak and resentful, so I sabotage, frustrate, and disrupt.?
- ?I'm powerless to deal with you head on so I must use guerrilla warfare.?
- ?I will appear cooperative but I'm not.?
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queridagirl
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thelibran it looks as though you have been offended... My intention was not to offend anyone, but rather to explore the dynamics of my relationship with a Libra Male. .... Perhaps, if you were in his shoes, you would think this as being too confrontational... wouldn't you? Perhaps you can clearly relate to some of the above and just not big enough to admit that you can identify yourself with some of these traits! ... in the past posts you have clearly said that you have had to invent lies which match people's imagination so that they are convinced it's the truth.

The above information clearly explains the way my husband has negatively contributed towards the relationship... Why not be honest and perhaps tell me how you may think I, as a taurus, may be contaminating this relationship? 😉
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this is not a case of passive aggressiveness, q-girl. he's using plain and simple and he's well aware of this. you don't question him, from what I can tell, and he will continue to abuse the priviledge you've provided him. screw the EU citizenship; let him earn things on his own; you don't owe him anything because the way he's treating you and lying to you is not indicative of a man in love with you. This is a man in love with himself and only looking out for himself.

i know all this is easier said than done, but you yourself admitted you have keen intuition - act on it!
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thelibran
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((Why not be honest and perhaps tell me how you may think I, as a taurus, may be contaminating this relationship?))

I am not offended. I was trying to think like living with a girl who read all those psychology junk and who is always suspecious. Honestly, Libra-Taurus is not a good combo to start with . Stands at #8 out of 12 zodiacs. But occasionally libra men will find themselves attracted to taurus women bcoz of their talkative nature. A few times it may last for a long time. Else it will all end soon.
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templeofjaguar
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Q-girl. You certainly nailed my Libra friend ( now ex-bf) with that list. There might have been 3 or 4 things that didn't apply but dang that is so him. When caught in a lie and confronted with the facts, I'll give him credit for at least fessing-up when being caught. But he's standard answer,when he'd been busted along with a sheepish grin was "I can't argue with you because you're right". Then he'd pour on the Libra charm. Be all sweet and affectionate to smooth it all over and get forgiveness. The only problem with that after awhile is you have to remind yourself "he's just telling you what you want to hear" and not fall for it anymore.

I'm in agreement with QS and HP : screw the citizen ship and get out. He's using you and your intuition is warning you again and again. That's your HUGE advantage over your Libra. INTUITION...Listen to it!!
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queridagirl
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Last night we had a conversation over the phone that lasted 4 hours... I questioned him again about every single doubt I had! He obviously wasn't happy being questioned again... It's the same old story, time and time again... "But I have already answered all these questions, why the need to repeat the answers"...

His answers continue to be vague although long enough to last an eternity. New information popped up during our conversation though... he slipped up on something (which he had always denied previously)... He continues to try and make me feel guilty about the whole situation... continuously stating that I am being unreasonable... No matter how hard I tried to explain to him why I wanted to end this relationship he always manged to turn the tables back on to me.

I remained strong in spirit and told him to take a hike! I guess all that is left for me to do... is to rebuild a life of my own.... without him in it! It is defnitely easier said than done...

I know the truth!!!!... I just need to learn to accept it and move on.
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Marcello
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queridagirl, in my opinion you are rushing!
He would not marry you for EU citizenship, it is not a libra style in my opinion. We would rather ask you to help us to ficticiously marry but we can not live knowing we are with someone we dont love.
Especially if he makes a good money then for sure, he is not doing it for EU citizenhip.

In my opinion, he might be going through some problems and he wants to hide it, sometimes we need to get away, clear our heads - lying that we are on business trip and in reality just be alone. We dont like to share our problems with anyone.

I did lie quite a few times to girls I was going out with but it was always because I had problems and I just needed time to get away, if I did not want to be with the person, I would meet up and tell that, saying that we are different or whatever. We can not continue relationship when we dont love. I know that for sure. Dont know about female libras.

Here is a story, I was going out with a Gemini girl. Once I had a situation that my parents friends daughter was visitng the city, they asked me to show her around, I was honest and told my gf, after that she started being all jealous and getting angry at me and things like that. Now, the questions is, if I lied, nothing would of happened. Next time, knowing her, I would not tell her because I know how she reacts.


Libras are good at lying, he had a good heavy meal and he would tell you that he is coocking something at home, he is just being honest and he probably cooks for the later or whatever. Same story with a ring, he could create a better lie but he gave you the most stupid lie probably because it is true.
Being honest sometimes creates problems thats why libras sometimes lie so they would not be accused.

All of the above is just my opinion.
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HonestyRules
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Queridagirl, 1st of all i'm sorry for what you are going through.
Your husband lies not because he's a Libran but because he is sooooooo broke (mentaly, spiritualy, emotionaly) that he CANNOT AFFORD to tell the truth!
I think it's very selfish to hide the truth from your loved one especially your spouse. Lying can also be habit forming. I'm also in a long distance relationship right now. My fiance also lied to me about a lot of things, especially about his debts because he was ashamed but it's also the reason why i lost my job & my face to everyone & most of all my 'trust' in him. When he proposed to me, we announced it to our friends & family. He said he's already prepared for all. We even looked for homes here in my country because he said he wanted to settle here. He lied to me for almost 2 years until i found out that he's broke and can't actually marry me--i found out when he was already back in his country. The money he spent in coming here to visit me was also a loan, including the plane tickets. Later, i found out that he's black listed in 2 banks already because he cannot pay his debts. It was so painful because I dunno when i'll see him again & if i can trust him completely again. I also did not accept work abroad to be with him, so i lost so many things.
By the way, he's GEMINI...so i guess, it's not about a person's horoscope. 1 more thing, based on the characteristics you've mentioned about a man having "PASSIVE AGGRESIVE BEHAVIOUR," I've come to realize that my fiance has more than 10 of the characteristics you've mentioned. It's hard to accept the truth Queridagirl but it's better than being trapped in a world of deceit.
I know how you feel & it's really tough.
I know it's harder for you because he's already your husband & you have to go through a long, grueling process in case you decide to get divorce. I myself is in need of advice but I've learned to just lift them all up to God. God's plans are always greater than our desires. Let's pray for the best & let God work in our lives. He will show us the way. Just continue to do what is right & your will be rewarded for that. The people who do you wrong will be punished at the right time. Take care and God bless you!
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Posted by queridagirl
Last night we had a conversation over the phone that lasted 4 hours... I questioned him again about every single doubt I had! He obviously wasn't happy being questioned again... It's the same old story, time and time again... "But I have already answered all these questions, why the need to repeat the answers"...

His answers continue to be vague although long enough to last an eternity. New information popped up during our conversation though... he slipped up on something (which he had always denied previously)... He continues to try and make me feel guilty about the whole situation... continuously stating that I am being unreasonable... No matter how hard I tried to explain to him why I wanted to end this relationship he always manged to turn the tables back on to me.

I remained strong in spirit and told him to take a hike! I guess all that is left for me to do... is to rebuild a life of my own.... without him in it! It is defnitely easier said than done...

I know the truth!!!!... I just need to learn to accept it and move on.




Just out of interest,what nationality is your husband? It might help to shed some light on his behaviour.
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FemmeScorpion
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Don't take Femmes advice and if you choose to maybe check out her posts beforehand to get a taste of her bitterness...





You are seriously delusional Mad Meg......for starters a question is not advice..........go get a education!!
And LEARN to differentiate between the two!!
Me bitter??......no sweetheart,you are just Jealous!! Go back to school then visit this board when you wise up. NEXT!!
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