A Universal Religion

Is it possible?

I'm Catholic but I have some reservations. I've been reading the bible since the start of the year but I don't like Jesus' statements about pharisees and people who do not believe him. I was thinking, if you really intend to save the world, why don't you save everybody including non-believers? Don't give too many conditions. Just save the world. You cannot force people to believe you. Belief in something is highly personal and depends so much on circumstances.

I'm possibly thinking about staying a Catholic but will probably be more secular and universal. I value freedom of religion.

Religion can be corrupt, based on power, greed and control

Spirituality is the way forward I feel

🌟"Religion is for those who are afraid of going to hell

Spirituality is for those who have been there"🌟

Posted by firebunny
Is it possible?

I'm Catholic but I have some reservations. I've been reading the bible since the start of the year but I don't like Jesus' statements about pharisees and people who do not believe him. I was thinking, if you really intend to save the world, why don't you save everybody including non-believers? Don't give too many conditions. Just save the world. You cannot force people to believe you. Belief in something is highly personal and depends so much on circumstances.

I'm possibly thinking about staying a Catholic but will probably be more secular and universal. I value freedom of religion.

.....how do you equate religion with freedom?

Faith and religion are two totally different things

Posted by MyStarsShine

Posted by firebunny
Is it possible?

I'm Catholic but I have some reservations. I've been reading the bible since the start of the year but I don't like Jesus' statements about pharisees and people who do not believe him. I was thinking, if you really intend to save the world, why don't you save everybody including non-believers? Don't give too many conditions. Just save the world. You cannot force people to believe you. Belief in something is highly personal and depends so much on circumstances.

I'm possibly thinking about staying a Catholic but will probably be more secular and universal. I value freedom of religion.

.....how do you equate religion with freedom?

Faith and religion are two totally different things

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It's just a term, StarShine. But we can use "Freedom to Believe" to be more accurate.

You can't really force faith, not even by threats of hell.

I personally believe that people who do nice things without fear of hell are more moral than those who do.

Posted by Dead_Kermit
Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, issued a document named: " 'Dominus Iesus' on the unicity and salvific universality of Jesus Christ and the Church."

Said document states that salvation is possible to those who are not Roman Catholics or Eastern Orthodox. According to this prayers and rituals of other religions may help or hinder their believers to grasp the true gospel.

But all in all, it’s only by Grace that you’re saved, you can’t demand nor earn this.

My personal view on this is that we all would be better off with no religion at all.

which is quite confusing, considering the express statements in the bible.

Jesus .... A divine Child of light ..... Very much so.... Here is the thing with Religion regardless of what you believe ... Jesus did get it right .... But the (followers) got it all wrong..... Jesus be like him Christ Conscious ... Catholics refer to this as the Holy Spirit .... It's consciousness ... Folks have completely missed the message ... Christ... God is within you... Remember God put it there ... Religions... Traditions have twisted it... Kept people stuck... And all along the key is within you the whole time... Conciouness ... The ability to see and live in heaven... Eternally ... Remember the soul never dies... That is freedom!!!... How do you wanna spend it eternally ... Stuck in a way of believing certain beliefs? Not expanding ... Or are you willing to go deeper ... Jesus was a guide .... And miraculous healer ....well guess what many now walk among us now.... Have that very same ability ... Everyone has chance to experience this... No one is exempt.... Years ago people wore the little bands... #WWJD ... This is consciousness ... God (1) Source ! Universal love... This love has no judgements .... Only truth! A religion is systematic ... Control .... Remember God never controls... God is in Control... So God gives freewill ... Freewill to stay stuck repeating the same patterns .... Or freewill to receive love and give love openly ... Genuine .... No gimmicks ... Divine Intervention is here... Now people and their actions come only block themselves ... God love is free flowing no blocks... Example... When a tragedy happens... (a block) faulty foundation ... God mows it down.... This love is strong.. If there is a block... It will get mowed down now... Remember the love is free flowing... Universal ... After the fall... Love.... Pure authentic love is followed behind it.... Look at the hurricans .... God is so much bigger then a book... Although it helped to some extent ....God always places light in even your darkest situation .. Know that... But best of luck to you on your journey ... I see your on your way to enlightment .... Blessings to you ... This world will be beautiful ... But healing is taking place ... Keep searching for the answers it's in you

You can't save people who don't to be saved....

So by creating a universal church that blankets all. You destroy freedom to choose.

Secondly would you go to a Dr. that never worked towards qualifications to be a legit Dr.?

Without exclusivity there are no qualifications and without qualifications you don't have legitimacy.

Posted by Weeds
You can't save people who don't to be saved....

So by creating a universal church that blankets all. You destroy freedom to choose.

And then all the rest will go to hell just because they didn't believe, which is not their fault any way. There are many religions, how would you know which one of them is the right path to salvation?

Secondly would you go to a Dr. that never worked towards qualifications to be a legit Dr.?

Without exclusivity there are no qualifications and without qualifications you don't have legitimacy.

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Of course not but I don't see this argument's relevance to the discourse.

Religion is a man made construct. The more advanced and forward thinking a society is, the less dependence they have on organized religion.

Posted by firebunny

Posted by Weeds
You can't save people who don't to be saved....

So by creating a universal church that blankets all. You destroy freedom to choose.

And then all the rest will go to hell just because they didn't believe, which is not their fault any way. There are many religions, how would you know which one of them is the right path to salvation?

Secondly would you go to a Dr. that never worked towards qualifications to be a legit Dr.?

Without exclusivity there are no qualifications and without qualifications you don't have legitimacy.

Of course not but I don't see this argument's relevance to the discourse.

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That is their choice. Ignorance isn't an excuse.

Well honestly we don't have that many religions.

We have a few base religions that have been subdivided by individual ideologies.

It's not hard to trace them back to the original.

The one that offers truth and liberty.

You'll figure it out your a lawyer ain't you?

Always seeking truth....

In times when religion was created more people were uneducated and wild. They had to be kept from killing each other and though how to not to destroyed themselves somehow.

So those who were educated and had brains created commandments and rules.

To keep people in fear - hell was also 'invented'.

I am always asking and never got an answer to a question if souls have no body - what is exactly going to BURN in hell?

So believeing in God can be done directly one on one. Those who chose to do it in groups - great. My choice is direct communications.

Not to long ago one asked me why do we look up when praying to God. How do we know where is he because Earth is round and HE can be anywhere. I said because it looks prettier than look down or tonthe sides.

He also said that Universe is actually a Multiverse but we haven't had time to discuss that further.

So as long as people dont kill each other in a name of God - I am tolerant to any religion because at the end it all goes to the same source. The Creator! 🙏

Posted by firebunny

Posted by Dead_Kermit
Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, issued a document named: " 'Dominus Iesus' on the unicity and salvific universality of Jesus Christ and the Church."

Said document states that salvation is possible to those who are not Roman Catholics or Eastern Orthodox. According to this prayers and rituals of other religions may help or hinder their believers to grasp the true gospel.

But all in all, it’s only by Grace that you’re saved, you can’t demand nor earn this.

My personal view on this is that we all would be better off with no religion at all.

which is quite confusing, considering the express statements in the bible.

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Would you say you take everything in the Bible too literally?

it's nice that people can choose whichever religoin they want.

the problem is...is when they get SOOOO BIG...like christianity vs. _________

that it becomes war.

what should be peaceful, turns out violent later if it's not kept in control.

Posted by firebunny

Posted by MyStarsShine

Posted by firebunny
Is it possible?

I'm Catholic but I have some reservations. I've been reading the bible since the start of the year but I don't like Jesus' statements about pharisees and people who do not believe him. I was thinking, if you really intend to save the world, why don't you save everybody including non-believers? Don't give too many conditions. Just save the world. You cannot force people to believe you. Belief in something is highly personal and depends so much on circumstances.

I'm possibly thinking about staying a Catholic but will probably be more secular and universal. I value freedom of religion.

.....how do you equate religion with freedom?

Faith and religion are two totally different things

It's just a term, StarShine. But we can use "Freedom to Believe" to be more accurate.

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Religion isn't freedom because you are preached at and told what to do, the Catholic religion has taken this to the extreme.....scaring the hell of out people

Spirituality gives free will to discover (not be preached at)

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Posted by MyStarsShine

Posted by firebunny

Posted by MyStarsShine

Posted by firebunny
Is it possible?

I'm Catholic but I have some reservations. I've been reading the bible since the start of the year but I don't like Jesus' statements about pharisees and people who do not believe him. I was thinking, if you really intend to save the world, why don't you save everybody including non-believers? Don't give too many conditions. Just save the world. You cannot force people to believe you. Belief in something is highly personal and depends so much on circumstances.

I'm possibly thinking about staying a Catholic but will probably be more secular and universal. I value freedom of religion.

.....how do you equate religion with freedom?

Faith and religion are two totally different things

It's just a term, StarShine. But we can use "Freedom to Believe" to be more accurate.

Religion isn't freedom because you are preached at and told what to do, the Catholic religion has taken this to the extreme.....scaring the hell of out people

Spirituality gives free will to discover (not be preached at)

Why single out Catholicism?

Christians are taught that man was given free will to choose between right and wrong.

And the church has become more relaxed now, hasn't it?

Did the papacy execute Order 66 or what?

Scaring people?

wut?

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Because they are infamous for abusing children, due to the ruling that priests cannot marry .... it has been all over the press for years