Arthur wants the kiddies to know, it's OK to put a ring on it (Page 2)

Posted by Phantom_Limbo

Most shows have one or two gay people, as do most lives. People only care about this if they don't like gay people.

Here's how a conversation with a toddler seeing this goes (if they're confused at all).

"Why is that boy marrying a boy?"

"Most boys like to marry girls. And most girls like to marry boys. But some boys like to marry other boys and some girls like to marry other girls."

That's it.

It will only be a problem for people who can't say that because they don't accept the existence of gay people and their right to get married. Toddlers won't have a problem with it. They won't _turn_ gay, but if they happen to be gay, they can feel better about who they are if it's more represented and respected.

And that, my friends, is the "gay agenda". Encouraging self-acceptance of how people are born. I'm all for it.

Yea...no

I have an issue with this, but I do not hate gay people lol neither is reliant on the other to be possible. I'm really confused on why y'all think this way. 🤨

Television is one big ass advert

Our brains are especially vulnerable to the influence of adverts.

If my seedling grows up gay cool, not the focus.

Was that an authentic to self decision is. And I think early exposure to what they otherwise don't even think of, does play a part in how their sense of self is developed later on.

Dazed got me in a thought loop now so now I'm thinking 💀💀💀💀

What if we're all straight because that's all we knew 💀💀💀💀💀💀

Posted by Silvuh

Posted by _Dazed

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Posted by Silvuh

YA'LL lmfaoooo

Are you lot familiar with the kid television show Arthur? It's been on air for 22 years. This is a show i've grown up with.

Mr. Ratburn is getting married! To his boo thing Mr.... something idk

But, you read that right! The writers of Arthur have decided to introduce same sex coupling to the young impressionable minds of their viewer.



Honestly guys, PC culture aside...let's get real. How does this make us feel? This is a safe space for discussion, and i want to encourage all opinions.

I personally have absolutely NO issue with same sex anything. LGBTQ rights FTW. Who am I to contribute to the oppression of any minority group not represented, spoken for, or protected?

However, I do find this kind of exposure so early on to be a little unnecessary, because (while i do think it's important to be informed and introduced to the many differences that come with being human) I personally feel like it has an alternative effect on children. It kind of takes sexuality from a lifestlye to a trend, popularizes the "idea" which can encourage all to follow suit for the sake of being "cool"

I think at such a young age, the child's parent should have an active hand in making their children comfortable with who they are, not pop culture/media. I also think it discourages a child being child...why would children need to be educated on such loaded topics so soon? (avg. viewer demographics ages 4-8) I think it all just gets pretty sloppy.

I don't know.. I know it's a sensitive topic but what do you guys think?

Would you feel differently if they showed an opposite sex marriage on the kids show?

No I wouldn't and I see the point of your question.

My honest response to why that is, -to put it frankly- is that heterosexuality has been normalized in my child's psyche for as long as they were able to process, place and relate to themes regarding sex and identity. I wouldn't want the alternative introduced to them before they are able to place themselves in whichever box they feel fit. Feelings are innate, and i believe that while sexuality is a genetic factor, it can also be conditioned.

So unless they feel different fresh out, and once old enough to express it, I feel like the early exposure is unnecessary.

At any point where my child feels differently from the "norm", I would then do my diligence as a parent to breakdown the idea of homosexuality, gender, etc to them assuming (and hoping) they do feel comfortable enough to approach me on it, as i wouldn't love them any less.

I would just want it to be their choice, without risking something so important being established for them by media, pop culture, whats "hip" the buzz..

I realize this same argument can be made in opposition, but hey 🤷‍♀️ just being honest on the feels

Exposing them to heterosexual cartoon marriage conditions them via media also, which you pointed out. And if they happen to be gay/lesbian/queer/etc.. you normalizing heterosexuality in your child's psyche for as long as they were able to process it, can and will most likely make it difficult to come out to others.

You can say you wouldn't love them any less (and I don't doubt that).. But latent homophobia is seeping through the extravagant excuses as to why you don't want your children exposed it. Just being honest on the feels.

Lol @ latent homophobia!!💀 a lil strong there pal

Also, the discussion of sexual fluidity or identity and it's premise for debate is hardly a new or entirely absurd idea 💀 Excuses for what exactly?

Tbh having fear, disdain, or clinging onto ignorance regarding the matter aren't a fathomable possibility to me so your judgment is surprising but I did expect some to become defensive. The only concern here is the chance of having any child's sense of sexuality be defined by a sensationalized idea of "what's cool" which is what early introduction via these channels (I feel) does.

We both know It's a double edged sword.

If it were flipped, same opinion.

I don't think the youth shouldn't be exposed at all, just when they're old enough to decipher their emotions/urges and make a choice, or at least begin to consider one. Let's keep children children. I realize this is unique to each person but I think 4-8 is way too young to have that discussion if they don't feel already that way

Also I would imagine it's real difficult for a single person to successfully normalize any single thing. This is what general consensus establishes. And general consensus has already established "the norm" for all of us until we know better enough to take our own direction. And I get your point in that but it's a bit of a reach too because that would mean most all people have some kind of identity crisis regarding their sexuality and I don't really see that.

I think your argument is to expose them to both as early as possible for the same reason I believe it should be held off?

I never thought of it that way

I actually type as I think and no lie ur making me think about this deeply one sir lol

Also I wasn't trying to condescend you initially

Being unnecessarily animated is just who I am as a person 💀💀💀💀

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At what age did you decide your sexual identity?

Posted by tiziani

Posted by Phantom_Limbo

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Posted by Phantom_Limbo

Most shows have one or two gay people, as do most lives. People only care about this if they don't like gay people.

Here's how a conversation with a toddler seeing this goes (if they're confused at all).

"Why is that boy marrying a boy?"

"Most boys like to marry girls. And most girls like to marry boys. But some boys like to marry other boys and some girls like to marry other girls."

That's it.

It will only be a problem for people who can't say that because they don't accept the existence of gay people and their right to get married. Toddlers won't have a problem with it. They won't _turn_ gay, but if they happen to be gay, they can feel better about who they are if it's more represented and respected.

And that, my friends, is the "gay agenda". Encouraging self-acceptance of how people are born. I'm all for it.

"Why does daddy have his hands down another daddy's pants?" A question no parent wants to be asked.

Most gay people I've met want to be treated fairly and don't care if they have their own TV programs or not.

I didn't watch this episode of Arthur, but I'm pretty sure they didn't follow them to the honeymoon suite. @Tiziani please confirm.

Their "own" TV programs? This is just two characters on an otherwise straight show, right?

The episode ends at the wedding itself, they're eating cake.

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White, Chocolate, or rainbow cake?

Posted by Silvuh

Posted by Phantom_Limbo

Most shows have one or two gay people, as do most lives. People only care about this if they don't like gay people.

Here's how a conversation with a toddler seeing this goes (if they're confused at all).

"Why is that boy marrying a boy?"

"Most boys like to marry girls. And most girls like to marry boys. But some boys like to marry other boys and some girls like to marry other girls."

That's it.

It will only be a problem for people who can't say that because they don't accept the existence of gay people and their right to get married. Toddlers won't have a problem with it. They won't _turn_ gay, but if they happen to be gay, they can feel better about who they are if it's more represented and respected.

And that, my friends, is the "gay agenda". Encouraging self-acceptance of how people are born. I'm all for it.

Yea...no

I have an issue with this, but I do not hate gay people lol neither is reliant on the other to be possible. I'm really confused on why y'all think this way. 🤨

Television is one big ass advert

Our brains are especially vulnerable to the influence of adverts.

If my seedling grows up gay cool, not the focus.

Was that an authentic to self decision is. And I think early exposure to what they otherwise don't even think of, does play a part in how their sense of self is developed later on.

Dazed got me in a thought loop now so now I'm thinking 💀💀💀💀

What if we're all straight because that's all we knew 💀💀💀💀💀💀

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It's the pushing of what is considered "normal" that I have an issue with. If you force the idea of what "normal" is on a child, and they grow up to be gay/lesbian/queer/etc.. once they realize what that feeling is, they see it as "abnormal" or "not natural". That child develops a sense of shame.

"Why can't I be a normal kid?"

And since the other kids can pick up on subtle cues, and they were taught what is normal/not natural.. it creates a situation where the "abnormal" kids gets picked on and bullied.

Posted by Silvuh

Posted by Phantom_Limbo

Most shows have one or two gay people, as do most lives. People only care about this if they don't like gay people.

Here's how a conversation with a toddler seeing this goes (if they're confused at all).

"Why is that boy marrying a boy?"

"Most boys like to marry girls. And most girls like to marry boys. But some boys like to marry other boys and some girls like to marry other girls."

That's it.

It will only be a problem for people who can't say that because they don't accept the existence of gay people and their right to get married. Toddlers won't have a problem with it. They won't _turn_ gay, but if they happen to be gay, they can feel better about who they are if it's more represented and respected.

And that, my friends, is the "gay agenda". Encouraging self-acceptance of how people are born. I'm all for it.

Yea...no

I have an issue with this, but I do not hate gay people lol neither is reliant on the other to be possible. I'm really confused on why y'all think this way. 🤨

Television is one big ass advert

Our brains are especially vulnerable to the influence of adverts.

If my seedling grows up gay cool, not the focus.

Was that an authentic to self decision is. And I think early exposure to what they otherwise don't even think of, does play a part in how their sense of self is developed later on.

Dazed got me in a thought loop now so now I'm thinking 💀💀💀💀

What if we're all straight because that's all we knew 💀💀💀💀💀💀

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And what about the straight people caught in the cross fire who get with, marry, have kids with, someone who is in the closet? Someone who has been fighting their sexuality because society has taught them to be ashamed of who they are.

What about the straight peoples lives that are then affected? They waste their time and energy building a life with someone based on lies. Building with someone who could never truly romantically love them.

And yes this is much more common then you would think. Especially among baby boomer generation. People come out in their 40s/50s, get divorced, and shatter their partners life. Not to mention the side effects to their kids.

Being a more accepting society will benefit straight, gay, and everyone in between. One of the ways we accept others differences is being exposed to them in the media. Having examples of different ways of being sends the message to be true to yourself.

Song about accepting yourself from a straight italian woman is the unofficial gay anthem.

It doesn't matter if you love him, or capital H-I-M

Just put your paws up 'cause you were born this way, baby

My mama told me when I was young

We are all born superstars

She rolled my hair and put my lipstick on

In the glass of her boudoir

"There's nothing wrong with loving who you are"

She said, "'Cause he made you perfect, babe"

"So hold your head up girl and you'll go far,

Listen to me when I say"

I'm beautiful in my way

'Cause God makes no mistakes

I'm on the right track, baby I was born this way

Don't hide yourself in regret

Just love yourself and you're set

I'm on the right track, baby

I was born this way (Born this way)

Oh there ain't no other way

Baby I was born this way

Baby I was born this way

Oh there ain't no other way

Baby I was born this way

But honestly I'm surprised no one has mentioned it. This is about AGENDA and PROPAGANDA but not the one CC is pushing.

Marriage as a societal concept is dying. Less millennials are getting married then their parents, its a nose dive. And weddings are a 55 billion dollar industry.

This is about the money. Its always about the money.

Give these little kids the fantasy so they will spend all their monies on a wedding. No matter who you chose to love you can spend way out of your budget for the perfect wedding.

Just throwing that out there in the mix.

At this point I could care less tbh. Just let people be happy. If the creators of this child's show find it necessary, and the majority of the audience agree with it I honestly have little input. It has nothing to do with me, or my personal advancement through life. Maybe it will be for someone else though. Who am I to judge?

Posted by HeartofIce

Kids seeing television gays get married is a problem?

I feel like you're an edge-lord who didn't bother reading the progression and unpacking of this topic but i'm giving you a pass because you practice shinbari

Ya'll i had an epiphany in real life and legit thought of this topic.. crazy lmfaoo

Posted by _Dazed

Posted by Silvuh

Posted by Phantom_Limbo

Most shows have one or two gay people, as do most lives. People only care about this if they don't like gay people.

Here's how a conversation with a toddler seeing this goes (if they're confused at all).

"Why is that boy marrying a boy?"

"Most boys like to marry girls. And most girls like to marry boys. But some boys like to marry other boys and some girls like to marry other girls."

That's it.

It will only be a problem for people who can't say that because they don't accept the existence of gay people and their right to get married. Toddlers won't have a problem with it. They won't _turn_ gay, but if they happen to be gay, they can feel better about who they are if it's more represented and respected.

And that, my friends, is the "gay agenda". Encouraging self-acceptance of how people are born. I'm all for it.

Yea...no

I have an issue with this, but I do not hate gay people lol neither is reliant on the other to be possible. I'm really confused on why y'all think this way. 🤨

Television is one big ass advert

Our brains are especially vulnerable to the influence of adverts.

If my seedling grows up gay cool, not the focus.

Was that an authentic to self decision is. And I think early exposure to what they otherwise don't even think of, does play a part in how their sense of self is developed later on.

Dazed got me in a thought loop now so now I'm thinking 💀💀💀💀

What if we're all straight because that's all we knew 💀💀💀💀💀💀

It's the pushing of what is considered "normal" that I have an issue with. If you force the idea of what "normal" is on a child, and they grow up to be gay/lesbian/queer/etc.. once they realize what that feeling is, they see it as "abnormal" or "not natural". That child develops a sense of shame.

"Why can't I be a normal kid?"

And since the other kids can pick up on subtle cues, and they were taught what is normal/not natural.. it creates a situation where the "abnormal" kids gets picked on and bullied.

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Nah you really know what, you've made a lot of fucking sense here. You, ant, the user who had the baby donkey avi 😩

This is why discussion is sooo important. Thank you.

I only realized this WAS latent homophobia, even if totally unbeknownst to me. When we hear homophobia, we automatically think of people who are out here committing hate crimes but ignorance leaves major space for homophobia too and I only realized this from having a similar conversation today that almost mirrored this topic. My ceo of all people brought this discussion on, a derail from his pro trump rhetoric, so naturally I was already in opposition lol

But! Only then did I realize a lot of why people have this kind of issue, misunderstanding, or apprehension about this exposure and the like, IS from the belief that being gay is WRONG, OR, like most of us have been taught, being gay is ALTERNATIVE- and that is "not normal" 🔄 abnormalities are BAD!



And I really do agree that if there isn't sexual explicitive content, broadcasting same sex relationships are really no different than broadcasting heterosexual ones, and tbh, exposing either to the youth is fucking weird and conditioning to something I like to call, the Disney Complex 😂

But, conspiracy theories aside, it's actual factual that inclusion can definitely relieve a lot of traumatic emotional turmoil, especially in kids.

Like even if you're all anti establishment like me, standing pretty firm on the "hell no I wouldn't want my kid's sexual orientation decided for them" just doesn't make sense unpacked. That's more than likely never the case.

And not only that, let's say if sexuality was so fluid (still undecided on this as Ant made some good points) and my seedling did in fact like the same sex, or at least explored same sex relationships because their favorite Saturday morning cartoon protagonist is gay, so what?

Biding into the anger behind the idea of "oMg mY kIdS bEEn bRaInWasHeD" literally is null because we're not talking about being convinced into trying crack here, we're talking about love, and there really isn't any inherent danger in loving someone your gender.

It becomes an issue when religion, or fear of lack of control, or reluctance to change comes in. You can def be reasoned out of the latter but the former is wayyyyy less movable and I believe that is truly why this is an issue today. And that's coming from someone who believes in God.

Otherwise, no harm no foul.

Anyway I wanted to say that and I do encourage this kind of discussion to take place, because you never know what kind of realizations can be made. Unfortunately a lot of people become triggered af and get defensive about it. We write one another off as dunces and speak with entitlement so often, that the viel is seldom lifted and things remain as is. It's really unfortunate. But I am super glad my ignorance brought me to write this topic and I did write it openly, and I'm super duperrr glad that about a handful of us were able to communicate like adults, genuinely, w/o getting too emotional/defensive, hindering us from getting to the root of our differing thought processes.

This type of conducive exchanges need to happen more often. And I really do urge whoever reads this long ass thread to approach this topic in rl calm and understandingly because while it is a hot ass topic, but so much can be learned when handled properly.