Lying and Dishonesty

This may be a hard topic to discuss. Is there a difference between lying and being dishonest? To me, being dishonest is worst than lying because you're not giving the full truth...only part of it. Is one worse than the other?

Comments please _??_

Posted by ellessque
I see them both as the same. To me, there is no difference.

May I ask why Elle? I was hoping that you'd share your insight?_??_

Lying is a subset of dishonesty.

@Elle:

I see and I agree on a fundamental level. To me a lie has no factual truth in it. Dishonestly however has some truth to it except the most important part. Both lead to creating an illusion to mask the truth at its core. The thing is dishonesty is in a way picks at you because your intuition often knows better. Its a tease lol.

You can't lie without being dishonest but you can be dishonest without telling a lie.

A lie is speaking a non truth.

Deception doesn't necessarily need you to lie. It is when you allow someone to believe a fallacy or lead them to the wrong conclusion.

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Posted by beautifulsoul74
@Elle:

I see and I agree on a fundamental level. To me a lie has no factual truth in it. Dishonestly however has some truth to it except the most important part. Both lead to creating an illusion to mask the truth at its core. The thing is dishonesty is in a way picks at you because your intuition often knows better. Its a tease lol.

I can respect what you are saying, but I have no tolerance for either.

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Elle...I know what you mean_??_

It's like if there were a door that lead to a dark room with a 1,000 ft hole and you knew what was in the room and a passerby said "Is it dangerous to go in here?" and you said "Hey man, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger." And they said "You know, you're right." And then they proceeded to walk in and fall to their death.

I didn't tell a lie. I didn't say it would or wouldn't kill him. But I used language that directed him into danger.

Posted by ARoarLikeThunder
You can't lie without being dishonest but you can be dishonest without telling a lie.

A lie is speaking a non truth.

Deception doesn't necessarily need you to lie. It is when you allow someone to believe a fallacy or lead them to the wrong conclusion.

Agreed

Hey you!! :p

All I've learned in my long 21 years of life is, you can't assume that someone, especially a stranger, has your best interest in mind.

"The greatest sin is to allow yourself to be deceived." That's one of my mottos.

'Cause there's no excuse for being stupid.

Some people be shifty ma'fuckas. If you don't know by now, ya bettah axe somebodeh.

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Posted by ARoarLikeThunder
It's like if there were a door that lead to a dark room with a 1,000 ft hole and you knew what was in the room and a passerby said "Is it dangerous to go in here?" and you said "Hey man, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger." And they said "You know, you're right." And then they proceeded to walk in and fall to their death.

I didn't tell a lie. I didn't say it would or wouldn't kill him. But I used language that directed him into danger.

lol...weird, that sounds like something my Taurus brother would do. 😛

seriously, he immediately popped in my head after reading that.

we used to go round and round on this topic. Withoulding the truth is always a lie, in my own personal opinion.

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hah. he must be shifty.

Speaking of lies, there was quite a bit of drama in that "Why is it.." thread.

I couldn't read it all. It gets too depressing. I laugh at how ridiculous dxp can get and at the same time it's very sad.

Posted by ellessque
LOL @ shifty. He does have a cancer moon and venus. *side stepper* 😛

nah, he's an upright guy. we are just opposite and see things differently sometimes.

yes, lots o' drama. the place has changed tide a bit, the old drama of yesterday.....we all could kiss and makeup before the thread got buried.

nice to see you visit.

Well, that's good.

Thanks, I usually come back to dxp when idk what else to do. XP

Happy Scorpio season by the way.

I can smell the erotic sensual tension in the air. hahaha! jk.

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Posted by ellessque
I see them both as the same. To me, there is no difference.

May I ask why Elle? I was hoping that you'd share your insight?_??_

they go hand in hand.

you can't lie without being dishonest and you can't be dishonest without lying.

both are deceitful.

agreed

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dimpz, you bitch. I asked you how life was on the greatest thread ever and you never responded.

The nerve. 😛

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Posted by ellessque
I see them both as the same. To me, there is no difference.

May I ask why Elle? I was hoping that you'd share your insight?_??_

they go hand in hand.

you can't lie without being dishonest and you can't be dishonest without lying.

both are deceitful.

agreed

dimpz, you bitch. I asked you how life was on the greatest thread ever and you never responded.

The nerve. 😛

i was off my adderall! that doesn't count! i wasnt snubbing you though. but i should have known better to recheck my posts, ESPECIALLY in the leo forum haha. dear dear mr. lion

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Damn straight, girl. Damn straight. The best dxper on the best thread!? You bettah recheck those posts! :p

Everyone has their own little dirty secrets, why should they share it with anyone..? When you push it you get lies, when lies pops then you get the dishonesty.

Remember..??... TRUST NO ONE.

Don't ask??_ don't tell??_ key to happier life.