Removal of Confederate statues and memorials

What are your thoughts?

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
i think its odd. i don't care for the confederate flag, but the statues and memorials are part of history. I don't like the erasure of history just because you don't like it.

for instance the genocide on native americans and africans when they were stuck on those boats.

———?

So glad I'm not the only one who felt that way

I feel like especially for "African Americans," who have had so much of their history stolen and repressed already - why would you want that taken away too?

That was your experience !

That would be like the Jews saying they want all evidence of the Holocaust removed because it's too painful to remember - NO because it did happen and we need to remember so it doesn't happen again

I suppose those people that destroyed monuments in Palmyra were only erasing symbols of Roman oppression. I don't see what the big uproar was about that happening....

9/11 was a part of our nation's history, but I wouldn't want to see a statue or monument of the hijackers.

That's how I feel about anything that commemorates the Confederacy. There's a line between acknowledging the past and celebrating it and the Confederacy is not something to celebrate.

Posted by brianafay

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
i think its odd. i don't care for the confederate flag, but the statues and memorials are part of history. I don't like the erasure of history just because you don't like it.

for instance the genocide on native americans and africans when they were stuck on those boats.

———?

So glad I'm not the only one who felt that way

I feel like especially for "African Americans," who have had so much of their history stolen and repressed already - why would you want that taken away too?

That was your experience !

That would be like the Jews saying they want all evidence of the Holocaust removed because it's too painful to remember - NO because it did happen and we need to remember so it doesn't happen again

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Some of the plaques are racists as hell. Those should be changed.

Having racial slurs in print on government property is not appropriate

Posted by LadyNeptune

Posted by brianafay

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
i think its odd. i don't care for the confederate flag, but the statues and memorials are part of history. I don't like the erasure of history just because you don't like it.

for instance the genocide on native americans and africans when they were stuck on those boats.

———?

So glad I'm not the only one who felt that way

I feel like especially for "African Americans," who have had so much of their history stolen and repressed already - why would you want that taken away too?

That was your experience !

That would be like the Jews saying they want all evidence of the Holocaust removed because it's too painful to remember - NO because it did happen and we need to remember so it doesn't happen again

Some of the plaques are racists as hell. Those should be changed.

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Fair enough

Posted by -elle-
I have a question.

This is a legitimate question that I don't know the answer to.

No snark.

I have never been to Germany.

Do they fly the nazi flag and/or have nazi memorials and statues?

Good point and doubt it

If we're gonna start tearing down offensive monuments than we need to start with mt. Rushmore

Posted by LadyNeptune

Posted by brianafay

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
i think its odd. i don't care for the confederate flag, but the statues and memorials are part of history. I don't like the erasure of history just because you don't like it.

for instance the genocide on native americans and africans when they were stuck on those boats.

———?

So glad I'm not the only one who felt that way

I feel like especially for "African Americans," who have had so much of their history stolen and repressed already - why would you want that taken away too?

That was your experience !

That would be like the Jews saying they want all evidence of the Holocaust removed because it's too painful to remember - NO because it did happen and we need to remember so it doesn't happen again

Some of the plaques are racists as hell. Those should be changed.

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Then all the holocost museums, camps, and memorials should go too, right?

Posted by Ixion

Posted by LePetitFisk
There are still some southerners that are salty about the outcome of the civil war even though it ended a century and a half ago. Even though they may see it as southern pride thing and nothing directly racial, those statues can also be seen as a representation of the division of this country.

Well first up...the Confederacy lost and there is absolutely no reason to preserve the icons of the dead regime.

We take down the confederate iconography the same way Germany took down nazi iconography. The legacy of the Confederacy and the 3rd Reich will not be forgotten but it need not take the places of pride and honor in our society.

Short story the icons of oppression are antithetical to our alleged American values.

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Take it down and put it into a museum. No reason why history shouldn't be preserved. But no reason to have that shit in front of government buildings.

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee

Posted by Bricks195
9/11 was a part of our nation's history, but I wouldn't want to see a statue or monument of the hijackers.

That's how I feel about anything that commemorates the Confederacy. There's a line between acknowledging the past and celebrating it and the Confederacy is not something to celebrate.

they lost the war. lol

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They did. Can you imagine what the South might be today if they didn't? I once heard someone say that the Confederate states would've become a modern day third world cesspool and I imagine something similar. Trump would want to build a wall at the Mason-Dixon.

It shouldn't offend anyone living here in the states.

If it wasn't for those racist southerners, there likely wouldn't be many blacks here in the states.

Posted by Ixion

Posted by LadyNeptune

Posted by Ixion

Posted by LePetitFisk
There are still some southerners that are salty about the outcome of the civil war even though it ended a century and a half ago. Even though they may see it as southern pride thing and nothing directly racial, those statues can also be seen as a representation of the division of this country.

Well first up...the Confederacy lost and there is absolutely no reason to preserve the icons of the dead regime.

We take down the confederate iconography the same way Germany took down nazi iconography. The legacy of the Confederacy and the 3rd Reich will not be forgotten but it need not take the places of pride and honor in our society.

Short story the icons of oppression are antithetical to our alleged American values.

Take it down and put it into a museum. No reason why history shouldn't be preserved. But no reason to have that shit in front of government buildings.

Chances are they will be put in the Smithsonian.

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That's fine. History shouldn't be forgotten.

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee

Posted by Ssuperman

Posted by LadyNeptune

Posted by brianafay

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
i think its odd. i don't care for the confederate flag, but the statues and memorials are part of history. I don't like the erasure of history just because you don't like it.

for instance the genocide on native americans and africans when they were stuck on those boats.

———?

So glad I'm not the only one who felt that way

I feel like especially for "African Americans," who have had so much of their history stolen and repressed already - why would you want that taken away too?

That was your experience !

That would be like the Jews saying they want all evidence of the Holocaust removed because it's too painful to remember - NO because it did happen and we need to remember so it doesn't happen again

Some of the plaques are racists as hell. Those should be changed.

Then all the holocaust museums, camps, and memorials should go too, right?

you don't make sense at all. do you even read what you write.

are holocaust museum racist? or camps?

they're memorials.

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You shouldn't be so narrow minded CC. The only reason it happened was because of racism.

Posted by Ssuperman
It shouldn't offend anyone living here in the states.

If it wasn't for those racist southerners, there likely wouldn't be many blacks here in the states.

Wow.

Nope they'd be living lives of freedom in their home countries...minus the kid napping, rape, torture, and salvery. Sounds like hell.

Posted by LePetitFisk

Posted by Ssuperman
It shouldn't offend anyone living here in the states.

If it wasn't for those racist southerners, there likely wouldn't be many blacks here in the states.

You're trying to be funny right?

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No. I'm being serious.

They changed the entire US. It's a good thing, right?

Oh, you were trying to call me a racist. Got it

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Posted by LadyNeptune
If we're gonna start tearing down offensive monuments than we need to start with mt. Rushmore

Sure why not. Lest vanity be thy our name.

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We defaced a people's holy place with the faces of their oppressors. Vanity has nothing to do with it.

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee

Posted by Ssuperman

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee

Posted by Ssuperman

Posted by LadyNeptune

Posted by brianafay

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
i think its odd. i don't care for the confederate flag, but the statues and memorials are part of history. I don't like the erasure of history just because you don't like it.

for instance the genocide on native americans and africans when they were stuck on those boats.

———?

So glad I'm not the only one who felt that way

I feel like especially for "African Americans," who have had so much of their history stolen and repressed already - why would you want that taken away too?

That was your experience !

That would be like the Jews saying they want all evidence of the Holocaust removed because it's too painful to remember - NO because it did happen and we need to remember so it doesn't happen again

Some of the plaques are racists as hell. Those should be changed.

Then all the holocaust museums, camps, and memorials should go too, right?

you don't make sense at all. do you even read what you write.

are holocaust museum racist? or camps?

they're memorials.

You shouldn't be so narrow minded CC. The only reason it happened was because of racism.

you make zero sense.

Jews wanted to memorialize those sights and have people learn about their people

the south, aka white people, decided to hoist general lee and sheet up...blacks didn't make that decision

whites did

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Who cares who put it up?

Posted by LePetitFisk

Posted by Ssuperman

Posted by LePetitFisk

Posted by Ssuperman
It shouldn't offend anyone living here in the states.

If it wasn't for those racist southerners, there likely wouldn't be many blacks here in the states.

You're trying to be funny right?

No. I'm being serious.

They changed the entire US. It's a good thing, right?

Oh, you were trying to call me a racist. Got it

I didnt call you that. But you just showed it.

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I didn't show anything. Just because someone has a different view doesn't mean they're racist.

Look at what I said.

Fact: if it wasn't for those racist southerners, blacks wouldn't be here in the numbers they are today. What the fuck is racist about that? Did I knock anyone? Make fun or insult anyone? Did I praise anyone? Nope

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee

Posted by Bricks195

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee

Posted by Bricks195
9/11 was a part of our nation's history, but I wouldn't want to see a statue or monument of the hijackers.

That's how I feel about anything that commemorates the Confederacy. There's a line between acknowledging the past and celebrating it and the Confederacy is not something to celebrate.

they lost the war. lol

They did. Can you imagine what the South might be today if they didn't? I once heard someone say that the Confederate states would've become a modern day third world cesspool and I imagine something similar. Trump would want to build a wall at the Mason-Dixon.

who cares, they lost at the first battle, they should have never gone to war with the North, who had better ships and more ability to throttle their economy

anyways civil war history is fascinating. I don't think it should be wiped out, but if its racist, sure it should go

but those generals and sheet belong in american history

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Removing statues isn't wiping out history.

But maybe as a concession to those who actually think people only remember history if it's immortalized with a monument, we can erect new statues that depict the Confederate army and its generals surrendering to the North. That would be accurate and it wouldn't celebrate the army that was fighting to keep people enslaved.

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Posted by Ssuperman

Posted by LePetitFisk

Posted by Ssuperman

Posted by LePetitFisk

Posted by Ssuperman
It shouldn't offend anyone living here in the states.

If it wasn't for those racist southerners, there likely wouldn't be many blacks here in the states.

You're trying to be funny right?

No. I'm being serious.

They changed the entire US. It's a good thing, right?

Oh, you were trying to call me a racist. Got it

I didnt call you that. But you just showed it.

I didn't show anything. Just because someone has a different view doesn't mean they're racist.

Look at what I said.

Fact: if it wasn't for those racist southerners, blacks wouldn't be here in the numbers they are today. What the fuck is racist about that? Did I knock anyone? Make fun or insult anyone? Did I praise anyone? Nope

It's called context clues you simp.

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It's called reading more into it than what's actually said you assumptuous douche

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee

Posted by MaxPower

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
The Confederacy- We're going to keep slaves or we'll die from economic collapse

The Union-We're about to win this war by economic collapse. Not because we care about black people who we later are going to still mistreat with jim crow laws and prison, but because we want to win the war

AYYYYYYYYYYYEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

The Union didn't do that. The South did that when a southern president was voted into office and killed Reconstruction, and then later, Southern states instituted Jim Crow laws.

The North is not innocent of racism, but the Union fought to keep the country whole without slavery.

America as a whole is a racist moronic country.

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It sure feels that way when someone talks about something that happened 150 years ago every other day.

The south having "pride" in that flag or these monuments for whatever shady or whatever melancholy feelings they have toward it

= basically them having pride in losing which

= the epitome of the south

always losing in most negative statistics in the US

Posted by Ssuperman

Posted by LadyNeptune

Posted by brianafay

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
i think its odd. i don't care for the confederate flag, but the statues and memorials are part of history. I don't like the erasure of history just because you don't like it.

for instance the genocide on native americans and africans when they were stuck on those boats.

———?

So glad I'm not the only one who felt that way

I feel like especially for "African Americans," who have had so much of their history stolen and repressed already - why would you want that taken away too?

That was your experience !

That would be like the Jews saying they want all evidence of the Holocaust removed because it's too painful to remember - NO because it did happen and we need to remember so it doesn't happen again

Some of the plaques are racists as hell. Those should be changed.

Then all the holocost museums, camps, and memorials should go too, right?

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Your kidding right?

Two completely different contexts. One is a symbol of oppression and hate, the other a remembrance of the millions who were slaughtered.

And like I said... I don't think they should be destroyed. Put them into a museum. They are an important part of history and should never be forgotten.

Posted by Ixion

Posted by Ssuperman

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee

Posted by MaxPower

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
The Confederacy- We're going to keep slaves or we'll die from economic collapse

The Union-We're about to win this war by economic collapse. Not because we care about black people who we later are going to still mistreat with jim crow laws and prison, but because we want to win the war

AYYYYYYYYYYYEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

The Union didn't do that. The South did that when a southern president was voted into office and killed Reconstruction, and then later, Southern states instituted Jim Crow laws.

The North is not innocent of racism, but the Union fought to keep the country whole without slavery.

America as a whole is a racist moronic country.

It sure feels that way when someone talks about something that happened 150 years ago every other day.

Awww poor baby man child don't like tal'm bout how the confederates ain't sh^t and how the people who stlll cape for them 150 years later are even more ain't sh^t than they were.

My god, time flows....and the reason is still brought up is because your present is constructed by your past actions and conditions.

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Who gives a flying fuck about the North and the South? I know I don't. I worry about tomorrow and what I'm gonna eat or if I have enough toilet paper to wipe my ass with. Yesterday is GONE. Live for tomorrow

Posted by LadyNeptune

Posted by Ssuperman

Posted by LadyNeptune

Posted by brianafay

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
i think its odd. i don't care for the confederate flag, but the statues and memorials are part of history. I don't like the erasure of history just because you don't like it.

for instance the genocide on native americans and africans when they were stuck on those boats.

———?

So glad I'm not the only one who felt that way

I feel like especially for "African Americans," who have had so much of their history stolen and repressed already - why would you want that taken away too?

That was your experience !

That would be like the Jews saying they want all evidence of the Holocaust removed because it's too painful to remember - NO because it did happen and we need to remember so it doesn't happen again

Some of the plaques are racists as hell. Those should be changed.

Then all the holocost museums, camps, and memorials should go too, right?

Your kidding right?

Two completely different contexts. One is a symbol of oppression and hate, the other a remembrance of the millions who were slaughtered.

And like I said... I don't think they should be destroyed. Put them into a museum. They are an important part of history and should never be forgotten.

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You must be joking!

Both founded on racism. One is much larger than the other

Posted by MaxPower

Posted by AfternoonDelights22
The south having "pride" in that flag or these monuments for whatever shady or whatever melancholy feelings they have toward it

= basically them having pride in losing which

= the epitome of the south

always losing in most negative statistics in the US

Most of those flags have slogans on them like "The South will rise again." I've asked people what the hell that means, and you can see them nearly having aneurysms from the cognitive dissonance of trying to explain how it's not racist.

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Well that would be them having some of the lowest test scores in the country and beyond

Posted by Ssuperman

Posted by LadyNeptune

Posted by Ssuperman

Posted by LadyNeptune

Posted by brianafay

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
i think its odd. i don't care for the confederate flag, but the statues and memorials are part of history. I don't like the erasure of history just because you don't like it.

for instance the genocide on native americans and africans when they were stuck on those boats.

———?

So glad I'm not the only one who felt that way

I feel like especially for "African Americans," who have had so much of their history stolen and repressed already - why would you want that taken away too?

That was your experience !

That would be like the Jews saying they want all evidence of the Holocaust removed because it's too painful to remember - NO because it did happen and we need to remember so it doesn't happen again

Some of the plaques are racists as hell. Those should be changed.

Then all the holocost museums, camps, and memorials should go too, right?

Your kidding right?

Two completely different contexts. One is a symbol of oppression and hate, the other a remembrance of the millions who were slaughtered.

And like I said... I don't think they should be destroyed. Put them into a museum. They are an important part of history and should never be forgotten.

You must be joking!

Both founded on racism. One is much larger than the other

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Holecost memorials were created to remember the victims. Show me a German nazi created museum or memorial please.

Posted by MaxPower

Posted by Ssuperman

Posted by Ixion

Posted by Ssuperman

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee

Posted by MaxPower

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
The Confederacy- We're going to keep slaves or we'll die from economic collapse

The Union-We're about to win this war by economic collapse. Not because we care about black people who we later are going to still mistreat with jim crow laws and prison, but because we want to win the war

AYYYYYYYYYYYEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

The Union didn't do that. The South did that when a southern president was voted into office and killed Reconstruction, and then later, Southern states instituted Jim Crow laws.

The North is not innocent of racism, but the Union fought to keep the country whole without slavery.

America as a whole is a racist moronic country.

It sure feels that way when someone talks about something that happened 150 years ago every other day.

Awww poor baby man child don't like tal'm bout how the confederates ain't sh^t and how the people who stlll cape for them 150 years later are even more ain't sh^t than they were.

My god, time flows....and the reason is still brought up is because your present is constructed by your past actions and conditions.

Who gives a flying fuck about the North and the South? I know I don't. I worry about tomorrow and what I'm gonna eat or if I have enough toilet paper to wipe my ass with. Yesterday is GONE. Live for tomorrow

You don't have to worry about because you're not black. That's called privilege.

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It doesn't affect you either. It's called living in the past

Posted by LePetitFisk

Posted by Ssuperman

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Posted by Ssuperman

Posted by LePetitFisk

Posted by Ssuperman
It shouldn't offend anyone living here in the states.

If it wasn't for those racist southerners, there likely wouldn't be many blacks here in the states.

You're trying to be funny right?

No. I'm being serious.

They changed the entire US. It's a good thing, right?

Oh, you were trying to call me a racist. Got it

I didnt call you that. But you just showed it.

I didn't show anything. Just because someone has a different view doesn't mean they're racist.

Look at what I said.

Fact: if it wasn't for those racist southerners, blacks wouldn't be here in the numbers they are today. What the fuck is racist about that? Did I knock anyone? Make fun or insult anyone? Did I praise anyone? Nope

Ignorant rednecks are the worst...

"If it wasn't for those racist southerners, there likely wouldn't be many blacks here in the states."

The context of that statement implies that gratitude should be granted to those who brought that slaves in.

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No, that's just how you're reading into it. You're also looking for something that isn't there because it's a sensitive subject.

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Posted by LadyNeptune

Posted by brianafay

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
i think its odd. i don't care for the confederate flag, but the statues and memorials are part of history. I don't like the erasure of history just because you don't like it.

for instance the genocide on native americans and africans when they were stuck on those boats.

———?

So glad I'm not the only one who felt that way

I feel like especially for "African Americans," who have had so much of their history stolen and repressed already - why would you want that taken away too?

That was your experience !

That would be like the Jews saying they want all evidence of the Holocaust removed because it's too painful to remember - NO because it did happen and we need to remember so it doesn't happen again

Some of the plaques are racists as hell. Those should be changed.

Then all the holocost museums, camps, and memorials should go too, right?

Your kidding right?

Two completely different contexts. One is a symbol of oppression and hate, the other a remembrance of the millions who were slaughtered.

And like I said... I don't think they should be destroyed. Put them into a museum. They are an important part of history and should never be forgotten.

You must be joking!

Both founded on racism. One is much larger than the other

Holecost memorials were created to remember the victims. Show me a German nazi created museum or memorial please.

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There are nazi flags in the damn holocost museum

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Posted by Ssuperman

Posted by Ixion

Posted by Ssuperman

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee

Posted by MaxPower

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
The Confederacy- We're going to keep slaves or we'll die from economic collapse

The Union-We're about to win this war by economic collapse. Not because we care about black people who we later are going to still mistreat with jim crow laws and prison, but because we want to win the war

AYYYYYYYYYYYEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

The Union didn't do that. The South did that when a southern president was voted into office and killed Reconstruction, and then later, Southern states instituted Jim Crow laws.

The North is not innocent of racism, but the Union fought to keep the country whole without slavery.

America as a whole is a racist moronic country.

It sure feels that way when someone talks about something that happened 150 years ago every other day.

Awww poor baby man child don't like tal'm bout how the confederates ain't sh^t and how the people who stlll cape for them 150 years later are even more ain't sh^t than they were.

My god, time flows....and the reason is still brought up is because your present is constructed by your past actions and conditions.

Who gives a flying fuck about the North and the South? I know I don't. I worry about tomorrow and what I'm gonna eat or if I have enough toilet paper to wipe my ass with. Yesterday is GONE. Live for tomorrow

No one cares about the North and the South...we definitely all care about the flying of Confederate flags and other symbols and iconography anywhere in these "Great" United States of America.

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I don't give a rats ass about that either.

I'm of Scottish descent. I can trace my family tree back that far. Should I hate the English for raping my fellow countrymen? Trying to breed them out?

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Posted by Ssuperman

Posted by Ixion

Posted by Ssuperman

Posted by Ixion

Posted by Ssuperman

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee

Posted by MaxPower

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
The Confederacy- We're going to keep slaves or we'll die from economic collapse

The Union-We're about to win this war by economic collapse. Not because we care about black people who we later are going to still mistreat with jim crow laws and prison, but because we want to win the war

AYYYYYYYYYYYEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

The Union didn't do that. The South did that when a southern president was voted into office and killed Reconstruction, and then later, Southern states instituted Jim Crow laws.

The North is not innocent of racism, but the Union fought to keep the country whole without slavery.

America as a whole is a racist moronic country.

It sure feels that way when someone talks about something that happened 150 years ago every other day.

Awww poor baby man child don't like tal'm bout how the confederates ain't sh^t and how the people who stlll cape for them 150 years later are even more ain't sh^t than they were.

My god, time flows....and the reason is still brought up is because your present is constructed by your past actions and conditions.

Who gives a flying fuck about the North and the South? I know I don't. I worry about tomorrow and what I'm gonna eat or if I have enough toilet paper to wipe my ass with. Yesterday is GONE. Live for tomorrow

No one cares about the North and the South...we definitely all care about the flying of Confederate flags and other symbols and iconography anywhere in these "Great" United States of America.

I don't give a rats ass about that either.

I'm of Scottish descent. I can trace my family tree back that far. Should I hate the English for raping my fellow countrymen? Trying to breed them out?

Why exactly are you threatened by black people not wanting monuments to their oppressors big and shiny in their faces?

What's it do to you?

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It's nothing to me. Bothers me not one bit.

Why does my point of view bother you so much?

Did I say something offensive?

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Posted by LadyNeptune

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Posted by LadyNeptune

Posted by brianafay

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
i think its odd. i don't care for the confederate flag, but the statues and memorials are part of history. I don't like the erasure of history just because you don't like it.

for instance the genocide on native americans and africans when they were stuck on those boats.

———?

So glad I'm not the only one who felt that way

I feel like especially for "African Americans," who have had so much of their history stolen and repressed already - why would you want that taken away too?

That was your experience !

That would be like the Jews saying they want all evidence of the Holocaust removed because it's too painful to remember - NO because it did happen and we need to remember so it doesn't happen again

Some of the plaques are racists as hell. Those should be changed.

Then all the holocost museums, camps, and memorials should go too, right?

Your kidding right?

Two completely different contexts. One is a symbol of oppression and hate, the other a remembrance of the millions who were slaughtered.

And like I said... I don't think they should be destroyed. Put them into a museum. They are an important part of history and should never be forgotten.

You must be joking!

Both founded on racism. One is much larger than the other

Holecost memorials were created to remember the victims. Show me a German nazi created museum or memorial please.

There are nazi flags in the damn holocost museum

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Yes...and?

Posted by MaxPower

Posted by Ssuperman

Posted by Ixion

Posted by Ssuperman

Posted by Ixion

Posted by Ssuperman

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee

Posted by MaxPower

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
The Confederacy- We're going to keep slaves or we'll die from economic collapse

The Union-We're about to win this war by economic collapse. Not because we care about black people who we later are going to still mistreat with jim crow laws and prison, but because we want to win the war

AYYYYYYYYYYYEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

The Union didn't do that. The South did that when a southern president was voted into office and killed Reconstruction, and then later, Southern states instituted Jim Crow laws.

The North is not innocent of racism, but the Union fought to keep the country whole without slavery.

America as a whole is a racist moronic country.

It sure feels that way when someone talks about something that happened 150 years ago every other day.

Awww poor baby man child don't like tal'm bout how the confederates ain't sh^t and how the people who stlll cape for them 150 years later are even more ain't sh^t than they were.

My god, time flows....and the reason is still brought up is because your present is constructed by your past actions and conditions.

Who gives a flying fuck about the North and the South? I know I don't. I worry about tomorrow and what I'm gonna eat or if I have enough toilet paper to wipe my ass with. Yesterday is GONE. Live for tomorrow

No one cares about the North and the South...we definitely all care about the flying of Confederate flags and other symbols and iconography anywhere in these "Great" United States of America.

I don't give a rats ass about that either.

I'm of Scottish descent. I can trace my family tree back that far. Should I hate the English for raping my fellow countrymen? Trying to breed them out?

Why exactly are you threatened by black people not wanting monuments to their oppressors big and shiny in their faces?

What's it do to you?

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And if a statue of stone or bronze that was created 100 years ago somehow oppresses you today........bud, you have a serious problem

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i think its odd. i don't care for the confederate flag, but the statues and memorials are part of history. I don't like the erasure of history just because you don't like it.

for instance the genocide on native americans and africans when they were stuck on those boats.

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So glad I'm not the only one who felt that way

I feel like especially for "African Americans," who have had so much of their history stolen and repressed already - why would you want that taken away too?

That was your experience !

That would be like the Jews saying they want all evidence of the Holocaust removed because it's too painful to remember - NO because it did happen and we need to remember so it doesn't happen again

Some of the plaques are racists as hell. Those should be changed.

Then all the holocost museums, camps, and memorials should go too, right?

Your kidding right?

Two completely different contexts. One is a symbol of oppression and hate, the other a remembrance of the millions who were slaughtered.

And like I said... I don't think they should be destroyed. Put them into a museum. They are an important part of history and should never be forgotten.

You must be joking!

Both founded on racism. One is much larger than the other

Holecost memorials were created to remember the victims. Show me a German nazi created museum or memorial please.

There are nazi flags in the damn holocost museum

Yes...and?

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Think they wanna see that shit? Probably not, huh? Oh wait, it's part of history and they're not butthurt

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i think its odd. i don't care for the confederate flag, but the statues and memorials are part of history. I don't like the erasure of history just because you don't like it.

for instance the genocide on native americans and africans when they were stuck on those boats.

———?

So glad I'm not the only one who felt that way

I feel like especially for "African Americans," who have had so much of their history stolen and repressed already - why would you want that taken away too?

That was your experience !

That would be like the Jews saying they want all evidence of the Holocaust removed because it's too painful to remember - NO because it did happen and we need to remember so it doesn't happen again

Some of the plaques are racists as hell. Those should be changed.

Then all the holocost museums, camps, and memorials should go too, right?

Your kidding right?

Two completely different contexts. One is a symbol of oppression and hate, the other a remembrance of the millions who were slaughtered.

And like I said... I don't think they should be destroyed. Put them into a museum. They are an important part of history and should never be forgotten.

You must be joking!

Both founded on racism. One is much larger than the other

Holecost memorials were created to remember the victims. Show me a German nazi created museum or memorial please.

There are nazi flags in the damn holocost museum

Because that's where they belong. Not being flown on the back of trucks and on front porches. Just like the Confederate flag.

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Long hair and hippies offend me. Go get a haircut

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The Confederacy- We're going to keep slaves or we'll die from economic collapse

The Union-We're about to win this war by economic collapse. Not because we care about black people who we later are going to still mistreat with jim crow laws and prison, but because we want to win the war

AYYYYYYYYYYYEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

The Union didn't do that. The South did that when a southern president was voted into office and killed Reconstruction, and then later, Southern states instituted Jim Crow laws.

The North is not innocent of racism, but the Union fought to keep the country whole without slavery.

America as a whole is a racist moronic country.

It sure feels that way when someone talks about something that happened 150 years ago every other day.

Awww poor baby man child don't like tal'm bout how the confederates ain't sh^t and how the people who stlll cape for them 150 years later are even more ain't sh^t than they were.

My god, time flows....and the reason is still brought up is because your present is constructed by your past actions and conditions.

Who gives a flying fuck about the North and the South? I know I don't. I worry about tomorrow and what I'm gonna eat or if I have enough toilet paper to wipe my ass with. Yesterday is GONE. Live for tomorrow

No one cares about the North and the South...we definitely all care about the flying of Confederate flags and other symbols and iconography anywhere in these "Great" United States of America.

I don't give a rats ass about that either.

I'm of Scottish descent. I can trace my family tree back that far. Should I hate the English for raping my fellow countrymen? Trying to breed them out?

Why exactly are you threatened by black people not wanting monuments to their oppressors big and shiny in their faces?

What's it do to you?

And if a statue of stone or bronze that was created 100 years ago somehow oppresses you today........bud, you have a serious problem

It's a symbol of oppression.

I want to take my girlfriend's kid and show him a statue of a slaveholder coming down. I don't want him to ever walk by such a statue and wonder "why is that man revered?"

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Go blow up Mount Rushmore. 3 slave owners are on the front.

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If we're gonna start tearing down offensive monuments than we need to start with mt. Rushmore

Sure why not. Lest vanity be thy our name.

We defaced a people's holy place with the faces of their oppressors. Vanity has nothing to do with it.

I would think Vanity has more than a little to do with the gall and the initial impetus to even undertake something like Mount Rushmore.

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You missing my point.

Imagine if 98% of your people were slaughtered, including women and children. Then you were rounded up and forced to live under guard at a reservation (American term for concentration camp). Then to add insult to injury your captors carved the faces of their leaders into your holy place.

The object wasn't vanity. The object was to be a reminder that your not free and these are the faces that own you.

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i think its odd. i don't care for the confederate flag, but the statues and memorials are part of history. I don't like the erasure of history just because you don't like it.

for instance the genocide on native americans and africans when they were stuck on those boats.

———?

So glad I'm not the only one who felt that way

I feel like especially for "African Americans," who have had so much of their history stolen and repressed already - why would you want that taken away too?

That was your experience !

That would be like the Jews saying they want all evidence of the Holocaust removed because it's too painful to remember - NO because it did happen and we need to remember so it doesn't happen again

Some of the plaques are racists as hell. Those should be changed.

Then all the holocost museums, camps, and memorials should go too, right?

Your kidding right?

Two completely different contexts. One is a symbol of oppression and hate, the other a remembrance of the millions who were slaughtered.

And like I said... I don't think they should be destroyed. Put them into a museum. They are an important part of history and should never be forgotten.

You must be joking!

Both founded on racism. One is much larger than the other

Holecost memorials were created to remember the victims. Show me a German nazi created museum or memorial please.

There are nazi flags in the damn holocost museum

Yes...and?

Think they wanna see that shit? Probably not, huh? Oh wait, it's part of history and they're not butthurt

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Hi ? Jewish here. No seeing a nazi flag in a holocaust museum isn't offensive.

But you know what might be offensive? Walking up to a government building to vote in 2017 and seeing a monument glorifying slavery out front with n***** written out on the plaque.

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The only reason the North went after the south is because the south was attempting to SECEDE, if they didn't...they would have kept with their SLAVE ways with nobody bothering them

Plus if you emancipate slaves you have that many more people to tax. Slaves amounted for 5 to 1 or 10 to 1 (can't remember what it was) compared to freemen.

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i think its odd. i don't care for the confederate flag, but the statues and memorials are part of history. I don't like the erasure of history just because you don't like it.

for instance the genocide on native americans and africans when they were stuck on those boats.

———?

So glad I'm not the only one who felt that way

I feel like especially for "African Americans," who have had so much of their history stolen and repressed already - why would you want that taken away too?

That was your experience !

That would be like the Jews saying they want all evidence of the Holocaust removed because it's too painful to remember - NO because it did happen and we need to remember so it doesn't happen again

Some of the plaques are racists as hell. Those should be changed.

Then all the holocost museums, camps, and memorials should go too, right?

Your kidding right?

Two completely different contexts. One is a symbol of oppression and hate, the other a remembrance of the millions who were slaughtered.

And like I said... I don't think they should be destroyed. Put them into a museum. They are an important part of history and should never be forgotten.

You must be joking!

Both founded on racism. One is much larger than the other

Holecost memorials were created to remember the victims. Show me a German nazi created museum or memorial please.

There are nazi flags in the damn holocost museum

Because that's where they belong. Not being flown on the back of trucks and on front porches. Just like the Confederate flag.

Long hair and hippies offend me. Go get a haircut

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If long haired hippies rounded up your family and enslaved or murdered them maybe you'd have a point.

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The Confederacy- We're going to keep slaves or we'll die from economic collapse

The Union-We're about to win this war by economic collapse. Not because we care about black people who we later are going to still mistreat with jim crow laws and prison, but because we want to win the war

AYYYYYYYYYYYEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

The Union didn't do that. The South did that when a southern president was voted into office and killed Reconstruction, and then later, Southern states instituted Jim Crow laws.

The North is not innocent of racism, but the Union fought to keep the country whole without slavery.

America as a whole is a racist moronic country.

It sure feels that way when someone talks about something that happened 150 years ago every other day.

Awww poor baby man child don't like tal'm bout how the confederates ain't sh^t and how the people who stlll cape for them 150 years later are even more ain't sh^t than they were.

My god, time flows....and the reason is still brought up is because your present is constructed by your past actions and conditions.

Who gives a flying fuck about the North and the South? I know I don't. I worry about tomorrow and what I'm gonna eat or if I have enough toilet paper to wipe my ass with. Yesterday is GONE. Live for tomorrow

No one cares about the North and the South...we definitely all care about the flying of Confederate flags and other symbols and iconography anywhere in these "Great" United States of America.

I don't give a rats ass about that either.

I'm of Scottish descent. I can trace my family tree back that far. Should I hate the English for raping my fellow countrymen? Trying to breed them out?

Why exactly are you threatened by black people not wanting monuments to their oppressors big and shiny in their faces?

What's it do to you?

And if a statue of stone or bronze that was created 100 years ago somehow oppresses you today........bud, you have a serious problem

It's a symbol of oppression.

I want to take my girlfriend's kid and show him a statue of a slaveholder coming down. I don't want him to ever walk by such a statue and wonder "why is that man revered?"

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But what happens when it's gone and generations from now we start repeating history by persecuting a minority?

We need these symbols so we can remember where we came from and so we don't repeat the sins of our forefathers.

But put them in a museum. It leaves such a bad taste in my mouth that this shit is still up on public property.

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Fuk the Union, Fuk the Confederacy, and Fuk Amerikkka.

Come to California. We're planning to break away from the union once the next big earthquake hits. Trump can suc my dick —

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Can someone make me understand how the South is Similar to the NAZIs?

cause if that's the case, then the whole AMERICA was NAZI, since abolishing slaves didn't come till way later....and they still shooting and imprisoning BLACK People

should we BAN THE AMERICAN FLAG

What the American people did to the native Americans is as the nazis did to the Jews. And there was no allied forces to save the natives.

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i think its odd. i don't care for the confederate flag, but the statues and memorials are part of history. I don't like the erasure of history just because you don't like it.

for instance the genocide on native americans and africans when they were stuck on those boats.

———?

So glad I'm not the only one who felt that way

I feel like especially for "African Americans," who have had so much of their history stolen and repressed already - why would you want that taken away too?

That was your experience !

That would be like the Jews saying they want all evidence of the Holocaust removed because it's too painful to remember - NO because it did happen and we need to remember so it doesn't happen again

Some of the plaques are racists as hell. Those should be changed.

Then all the holocost museums, camps, and memorials should go too, right?

Your kidding right?

Two completely different contexts. One is a symbol of oppression and hate, the other a remembrance of the millions who were slaughtered.

And like I said... I don't think they should be destroyed. Put them into a museum. They are an important part of history and should never be forgotten.

You must be joking!

Both founded on racism. One is much larger than the other

Holecost memorials were created to remember the victims. Show me a German nazi created museum or memorial please.

There are nazi flags in the damn holocost museum

Because that's where they belong. Not being flown on the back of trucks and on front porches. Just like the Confederate flag.

Long hair and hippies offend me. Go get a haircut

Did you just compare Nazi and Confederate flags to long hait and nipples?

Are you drunk?

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I said nothing about nipples

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i think its odd. i don't care for the confederate flag, but the statues and memorials are part of history. I don't like the erasure of history just because you don't like it.

for instance the genocide on native americans and africans when they were stuck on those boats.

———?

So glad I'm not the only one who felt that way

I feel like especially for "African Americans," who have had so much of their history stolen and repressed already - why would you want that taken away too?

That was your experience !

That would be like the Jews saying they want all evidence of the Holocaust removed because it's too painful to remember - NO because it did happen and we need to remember so it doesn't happen again

I don't see statues of Hitler and Nazi flags being flown around in modern day Germany though..

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I get it I get it

But where do we draw the line ?

Do we start removing all memorials for anyone who was a slave holder too? Aka like the first 12 presidents ? Aka our founding fathers?

These people are so cringe worthy. They are standing on the wrong side of history and everyone knows it. Their kids and grandkids will be so mortified when they see this sheeeet.

Edit: Trevor Noah is so insanely cute. *fans self

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i think its odd. i don't care for the confederate flag, but the statues and memorials are part of history. I don't like the erasure of history just because you don't like it.

for instance the genocide on native americans and africans when they were stuck on those boats.

———?

So glad I'm not the only one who felt that way

I feel like especially for "African Americans," who have had so much of their history stolen and repressed already - why would you want that taken away too?

That was your experience !

That would be like the Jews saying they want all evidence of the Holocaust removed because it's too painful to remember - NO because it did happen and we need to remember so it doesn't happen again

Eh, wouldn't parallel the black experience with the Jewish experience.

Anyways, I don't feel strongly about it either but, I get why some people do.

I don't think removing statues and memorials is about hiding our history. I know a lot of black people (not all) are very proud of their slave heritage. BUT do we really need to see John C. Calhoun's racist ass in front of a courthouse? Probably not. Do we need the confederate flag at the state capital building? Not really.

I think it's more of a time and place thing. Keep history in museums OR sites specifically dedicated to memorializing these events. If I go to Gettysburg, yes, I expect to see Confederate memorabilia, but when I'm going to the State house it's not necessary.

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Hey btw!!!