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You often hear women, especially feminists and sluts, complaining about how it's such an unfair double standard that men are called studs when they sleep around, yet women are called sluts. It's really not a double standard though, because both scenarios are pretty different in terms of circumstances and consequences. I can think of at least three crucial differences.

1 First, sleeping around is easier for women. Regardless of how you feel about promiscuity, we can all agree that a guy who manages to rack up a lot of sexual partners has to have some skills.

2 Second, Do women do more harm by sleeping around than men do. Say a man sleeps around with a bunch of different women. He is definitely doing harm to these women if he pretends to be monogamous while sleeping around with these multiple partners. He may cause them emotional pain by his promiscuity. He may cause unwanted pregnancy. He may spread venereal diseases. When women sleep around, however, they can cause not only these same ill effects but one additional crucial ill effect: the risk of unknown parentage.

3 Third, men have evolutionary reasons to be programmed to sleep around. A lot of women roll their eyes when they hear that men are —hard-wired?? to sleep around. But from an evolutionary standpoint, it makes total sense. If the two primal drives of humans are to survive and to reproduce, nothing leads to maximum reproduction like one man sleeping with multiple women. If one women slept with many men, in a nine month period, she would still only get pregnant just once. Nine months of rampant promiscuity would give the same result as nine months of highly sexed monogamy: one pregnancy. Now if one man sleeps with many women, you can get many pregnancies. The more women he sleeps with, the more pregnancies. So from an evolutionary standpoint, there are concrete advantages to men sleeping around with multiple partners rather than women.

These three reasons are probably why the longstanding tradition came about of men being rewarded for multiple partners while women get socially punished for similar promiscuity. Of course all this is gradually changing, but we??re up against centuries of tradition here, so don't expect any dramatic reversals or anything.

What are your thoughts on this?
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This will be a fun board to watch!

I still maintain that the more guys a crazy chick fucks, she becomes even more mentally unstable and less likely to have a normal relationship and marriage.

Seen quite a few crazy sluts in my day, and they are all pretty miserable creatures.

Once dudes figure out that a chick is a total slutbag, they pretty much regard her as such for life.
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Posted by tiziani
I think it's not a competition. As long as you know what you're in it for that's the important thing.

I've been fascinated by people who can let loose and enjoy sex for the act itself, no strings but not that fascinated to try my hand at it myself.



See, that's just it.

A woman who truly enjoys sex with a man will have her orgasms, and once she has the orgasms, she starts to bond with the man.

A chick who fucks 50 guys is gonna have a ton of mental issues as a result.
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Posted by XXMR2NICEXX

Now if one man sleeps with many women, you can get many pregnancies. The more women he sleeps with, the more pregnancies. So from an evolutionary standpoint, there are concrete advantages to men sleeping around with multiple partners rather than women.

What are your thoughts on this?



But with the above comes this, as you said:


"Say a man sleeps around with a bunch of different women. He is definitely doing harm to these women if he pretends to be monogamous while sleeping around with these multiple partners.

He may cause them emotional pain by his promiscuity. He may cause unwanted pregnancy.

He may spread venereal diseases. "


All of the above can happen even if he *does* advise her that he is not monogamous.

Which makes me question the 'evolutionary value' of such promiscuity.

*shrugs*
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I don't think those are the reasons for the double standard. I think the main reason is that most of the major religions are Patriarchal vs. Matriarchal. Those Patriarchal religions have used numerous ways to control people using guilt and fear, but the controlling hasn't just been across the board aimed at just everyone, but has a side agenda of controlling women. For thousands of years these Patriarchal religions have taught that women are the cause of "sin", that they are subordinate to men, that they are less important, that they have to follow a different standard of "good" than men, etc. If you look at Matriarchal societies there is a shift in who and what is important and what is "bad".

My opinion is that controlling of a group or an individual no matter what the agenda is is messed up.
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I don't think those are the reasons for the double standard. I think the main reason is that most of the major religions are Patriarchal vs. Matriarchal. Those Patriarchal religions have used numerous ways to control people using guilt and fear, but the controlling hasn't just been across the board aimed at just everyone, but has a side agenda of controlling women. For thousands of years these Patriarchal religions have taught that women are the cause of "sin", that they are subordinate to men, that they are less important, that they have to follow a different standard of "good" than men, etc. If you look at Matriarchal societies there is a shift in who and what is important and what is "bad".

My opinion is that controlling of a group or an individual no matter what the agenda is is messed up.



True.
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Interesting topic.

So, what about this thought: if a man is genetically wired to hunt, provide and reproduce, then they would naturally feel compelled compete for women. So women become the prize amongst the men?

If so, where did we women go wrong in not maintaining being the prize?




Feminization and the sexual revolution in the 60's. It's all been downhill from there.

I always see women ask "Where are the real men at?". Well, you didn't want us anymore.

Men haven't changed that much, women have however.
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You often hear women, especially feminists and sluts, complaining about how it's such an unfair double standard that men are called studs when they sleep around, yet women are called sluts. It's really not a double standard though, because both scenarios are pretty different in terms of circumstances and consequences. I can think of at least three crucial differences.

1 First, sleeping around is easier for women. Regardless of how you feel about promiscuity, we can all agree that a guy who manages to rack up a lot of sexual partners has to have some skills.

2 Second, Do women do more harm by sleeping around than men do. Say a man sleeps around with a bunch of different women. He is definitely doing harm to these women if he pretends to be monogamous while sleeping around with these multiple partners. He may cause them emotional pain by his promiscuity. He may cause unwanted pregnancy. He may spread venereal diseases. When women sleep around, however, they can cause not only these same ill effects but one additional crucial ill effect: the risk of unknown parentage.

3 Third, men have evolutionary reasons to be programmed to sleep around. A lot of women roll their eyes when they hear that men are —hard-wired?? to sleep around. But from an evolutionary standpoint, it makes total sense. If the two primal drives of humans are to survive and to reproduce, nothing leads to maximum reproduction like one man sleeping with multiple women. If one women slept with many men, in a nine month period, she would still only get pregnant just once. Nine months of rampant promiscuity would give the same result as nine months of highly sexed monogamy: one pregnancy. Now if one man sleeps with many women, you can get many pregnancies. The more women he sleeps with, the more pregnancies. So from an evolutionary standpoint, there are concrete advantages to men sleeping around with multiple partners rather than women.

These three reasons are probably why the longstanding tradition came about of men being rewarded for multiple partners while women get socially punished for similar promiscuity. Of course all this is gradually changing, but we??re up against centuries of tradition here, so don't expect any dramatic reversals or anything.

What are your thoughts on this?
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Posted by MoonArtist
I don't think those are the reasons for the double standard. I think the main reason is that most of the major religions are Patriarchal vs. Matriarchal. Those Patriarchal religions have used numerous ways to control people using guilt and fear, but the controlling hasn't just been across the board aimed at just everyone, but has a side agenda of controlling women. For thousands of years these Patriarchal religions have taught that women are the cause of "sin", that they are subordinate to men, that they are less important, that they have to follow a different standard of "good" than men, etc. If you look at Matriarchal societies there is a shift in who and what is important and what is "bad".

My opinion is that controlling of a group or an individual no matter what the agenda is is messed up.



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That's sounds like an excuse for us men. Things are like this: Not what you say, its how you say it. Not what you do, its how you do it. Not who you sleep with, its how you sleep with them. What I'm trying to say is if a woman breaks up with a man then the next day sleep with his bestfriend she's a slut. Problably been messing around the whole time. Same with a dude therefore their slut is equal to are stud its just 4 letters. Labels are only meant for people who want them otherwise it is what it is.
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You often hear women, especially feminists and sluts, complaining about how it's such an unfair double standard that men are called studs when they sleep around, yet women are called sluts. It's really not a double standard though, because both scenarios are pretty different in terms of circumstances and consequences. I can think of at least three crucial differences.

1 First, sleeping around is easier for women. Regardless of how you feel about promiscuity, we can all agree that a guy who manages to rack up a lot of sexual partners has to have some skills.

2 Second, Do women do more harm by sleeping around than men do. Say a man sleeps around with a bunch of different women. He is definitely doing harm to these women if he pretends to be monogamous while sleeping around with these multiple partners. He may cause them emotional pain by his promiscuity. He may cause unwanted pregnancy. He may spread venereal diseases. When women sleep around, however, they can cause not only these same ill effects but one additional crucial ill effect: the risk of unknown parentage.

3 Third, men have evolutionary reasons to be programmed to sleep around. A lot of women roll their eyes when they hear that men are —hard-wired?? to sleep around. But from an evolutionary standpoint, it makes total sense. If the two primal drives of humans are to survive and to reproduce, nothing leads to maximum reproduction like one man sleeping with multiple women. If one women slept with many men, in a nine month period, she would still only get pregnant just once. Nine months of rampant promiscuity would give the same result as nine months of highly sexed monogamy: one pregnancy. Now if one man sleeps with many women, you can get many pregnancies. The more women he sleeps with, the more pregnancies. So from an evolutionary standpoint, there are concrete advantages to men sleeping around with multiple partners rather than women.

These three reasons are probably why the longstanding tradition came about of men being rewarded for multiple partners while women get socially punished for similar promiscuity. Of course all this is gradually changing, but we??re up against centuries of tradition here, so don't expect any dramatic reversals or anything.

What are your thoughts on this?



If you're going to use "science" to back you up then be scientific about it. You cli
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If you're going to use "science" to back you up then be scientific about it. You clinging on to, and validating, traditions is VERY unscientifc... understand that there is a growing overpopulation problem where the only way to feed everyone is to genetically alter food, clothing and such (so it doesn't take up already dwindling land)... and that at the rate we're growing vaccines will be obsolete in the future. SO the very scientific thing to do is SLOW maybe not reproduce as fast. So, it really negates the conclusion you stated about it being okay for men because we NEED to reproduce. At this day in age we don't need to anymore if we want to keep the few resources we have left.
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Posted by xtina

If you're going to use "science" to back you up then be scientific about it. You clinging on to, and validating, traditions is VERY unscientifc... understand that there is a growing overpopulation problem where the only way to feed everyone is to genetically alter food, clothing and such (so it doesn't take up already dwindling land)... and that at the rate we're growing vaccines will be obsolete in the future. SO the very scientific thing to do is SLOW maybe not reproduce as fast. So, it really negates the conclusion you stated about it being okay for men because we NEED to reproduce. At this day in age we don't need to anymore if we want to keep the few resources we have left.



boom!! hey xtina 🙂
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Interesting topic.

So, what about this thought: if a man is genetically wired to hunt, provide and reproduce, then they would naturally feel compelled compete for women. So women become the prize amongst the men?

If so, where did we women go wrong in not maintaining being the prize?




Feminization and the sexual revolution in the 60's. It's all been downhill from there.

I always see women ask "Where are the real men at?". Well, you didn't want us anymore.

Men haven't changed that much, women have however.
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I agree.

(I still like a real man, though) 😉
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If you're going to use "science" to back you up then be scientific about it. You clinging on to, and validating, traditions is VERY unscientifc... understand that there is a growing overpopulation problem where the only way to feed everyone is to genetically alter food, clothing and such (so it doesn't take up already dwindling land)... and that at the rate we're growing vaccines will be obsolete in the future. SO the very scientific thing to do is SLOW maybe not reproduce as fast. So, it really negates the conclusion you stated about it being okay for men because we NEED to reproduce. At this day in age we don't need to anymore if we want to keep the few resources we have left.



boom!! hey xtina 🙂
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Oh hheeyyy! 🙂
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The risks involved prevents me from saying sleeping around is okay for both men/women. Also, I don't think it creates good role-models for children/young adults. I feel like sex is losing meaning & by sleeping around, in a way, illustrates how easily people can use eachother and that it's okay to do so. I'm only 19 though, so...



you??re not simply 19, love. clever fox, you 🙂
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+1. I wanted to say the very same thing.
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I really don't understand this competition between men and women?? I know men are feeling less validated now because of women being in the work force and on top of that social media programing women into believing they need to marry their knight and prince in shining armor.

But can't we be adults about this and look at ALL of this from an OBJECTIVE perspective? Women! Stop your entitled BUULLshit. If you want your damn equality you have to work at it just like men! You aren't entitled to SHIIIT! And if you continue to feel entitled than you really don't want equality for the sexes you want the advantage for women and ONLY women.

MEN!! Quit your whining and learn to exercise some fuucking compassion. Do you realize society has women in a vice gripe to be the PERFECT superwoman (we have to be skinny, beautiful, cook, clean, raise kids, and be strong independent career women to feel validated??) I'm not saying it's a good excuse but it's women like me that have awaken to these double standards that are trying to make a difference.., and you know something like that isn't going to rewrite itself over night.


The world needs a little more compassion and understanding from both sides. This is not a black and white world y'all! It has colors!! LOTS and LOTS of it, you just got to open your eyes 🙂
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The risks involved prevents me from saying sleeping around is okay for both men/women. Also, I don't think it creates good role-models for children/young adults. I feel like sex is losing meaning & by sleeping around, in a way, illustrates how easily people can use eachother and that it's okay to do so. I'm only 19 though, so...



I felt that way at your age. I'm seeing things in a much more different light now. It's more about learning who YOU are as an individual and what you want and like, not to mention how to interact with all the other different people out there and how they fit in your life or how they don't. Only experience and growing can teach you these things fully. 🙂
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Posted by XXMR2NICEXX
We've all heard of the double standard where men are studs and women are sluts if they get around blah blah blah.

But I was wondering if women look down on men who sleep around or think of guys as slutty or as womanizers or players if they get around too much.



Absolutely women think man whores are disgusting pigs.

That doesn't stop their biological factors and being attracted primally to that particular guy.

Their instincts and loins are at odds with their sensible minds. Quite the conundrum.

Women say they want sensitive guys, and ones in touch with their emotions. That's their logical brains talking. Natural insticnts aren't so logical.
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Posted by XXMR2NICEXX
We've all heard of the double standard where men are studs and women are sluts if they get around blah blah blah.

But I was wondering if women look down on men who sleep around or think of guys as slutty or as womanizers or players if they get around too much.



I only look/think badly of people who lie and use/abuse others. If they're mature enough to be honest and both want to have multiple partners then that's their thing, their business and I hope they're also smart enough to be safe about it. Sexuality is much more complex than most think.
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Interesting topic.

So, what about this thought: if a man is genetically wired to hunt, provide and reproduce, then they would naturally feel compelled compete for women. So women become the prize amongst the men?

If so, where did we women go wrong in not maintaining being the prize?




Feminization and the sexual revolution in the 60's. It's all been downhill from there.

I always see women ask "Where are the real men at?". Well, you didn't want us anymore.

Men haven't changed that much, women have however.
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Bingo.

Unrestrained and uncontrolled, wild women eventually become sluts who aren't respected by ANYONE.

The sluttier the girl, the more lonely and miserable she becomes.

Reputation will destroy a girl once word gets out.
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