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The art of (not) calling a spade a spade
https://thefederalist.com/2017/04/04/woman-demands-doctors-sever-spinal-cord-fit-body-mind-transsexual-man/
" Woman Demands Doctors Sever Her Spinal Cord To Align Body To Mind, ‘Same As A Transsexual Man’
Let’s examine gender dysphoria, the underlying condition of identifying as transgender, with a similar but different body identity problem.
An effective way to determine the fundamental nature of a thing is to compare it with something that is similar, but different. For example, what is an oval? It’s an elongated circle. Let’s examine gender dysphoria, the underlying condition of identifying as transgender, with a similar but different body identity problem.
Transgender advocates tell us the encompassing feeling about incongruity between transsexuals’ body and self-concept is unlike anything else humans can experience. Thus, they demand very intentional public acceptance.
But being transgender is only one subset under a larger condition. While many trans advocates resist the categorization, it falls practically under the category of what psychologists term Body Integrity Identity Disorder (BIID). It’s a general condition where a person’s physical body does not align with or is dis-integrated with what his or her mind understands itself to be. It’s psychological Platonism.
No, Really, I’m an Amputee With an Extra Arm
Another significant form of body identity disorder is similar but different, and more common than many might think. It goes by various names: apotemnophelia, somatoparaphrenia, or xenomelia. Just as gender dysphoria drives the sense that one’s body is not right and must be reconstructed, this is a curious condition where an individual intensely feels that a particular limb or other section of his or her body does not belong. One specialist in this field reports in the Archives of Sexual Behavior that these are not two wholly disparate conditions. They share many clinical similarities.
Like the gender dysphoric person, those desiring amputation will go to extreme lengths to create integrity between their actual body and their self-understanding. Nearly all desperately request amputation of a very specific part of the body. Most desire a leg amputation, usually the left leg above the knee. A minority desire an arm removed, most often left side, below the elbow. Few desire amputation of fingers or toes. This constancy among patients is curious.
Medical ethics prohibits such amputations, so many resort to maiming the limb so severely that it must be amputated. Clinicians report common means are laying the limb on a railroad track to wait for a passing train, or using power saws. Shotguns, wood chippers, hammers, and chisels have been employed.
One Milwaukee man constructed his own guillotine to do the deed and said if surgeons reattached it, he would happily sever it again. Its removal was that essential for his own sense of well-being. A legal professional employed by the California State Bar applied tourniquets to both her legs, hoping to create the need for medical amputation due to gangrene. Frequently, this desire is sexualized, an erotic desire to be an amputee or sexual attraction to the same.
Why Can Transsexuals Cut Off Body Parts But Not Others?
Some with this condition refer to themselves as transabled. They “know” their true essence is not just being free of a particular limb, but actually being a disabled person of some sort. Some feel they are truly a blind person, but are living with the unacceptable “burden” of working eyes. For some, it’s hearing.
Chloe Jennings-White is very capable and well-accomplished, a research scientist with degrees from Cambridge and Stanford. However, she “knows” she is also a paraplegic, even though fate has dealt her fully functioning legs. She lives in a wheelchair with heavy-duty leg braces and has always felt this way from earliest memories. She has asked doctors to sever her spinal cord so that her body will finally align with her own understanding of herself.
Jennings-White confesses she doesn’t know why her desire to have her body align with her true essence upsets people so much. It is her body, after all. She says it’s not that strange, but “the same as a transsexual man having his penis cut off. It’s never coming back, but they know it’s what they want.” Why him and not her? Trans advocates resist this comparison, claiming these are very different things. How? Well, they say one is made up and the other is real. They say one is a severe psychosis and one is natural. Can you guess which evaluations apply to which condition? It is a convenient way to understand the two if you’re transgender, but are they really that different? Researchers who study these individuals report they rarely demonstrate any other type of psychosis beyond this condition.
If Voices Were Telling Them to Do This, It’d Be ‘Psychotic’
Dr. Russell Reid, a British psychiatrist and one of the leading experts in treating gender dysphoria, spoke on the similarity between the two conditions on a BBC documentary on apotemnophilia. In the show’s introduction, Reid explains, “Certainly when I first heard of people wanting amputations it seemed bizarre in the extreme, but then I thought well, I see transsexuals and transsexuals want healthy parts of their body removed in order to adjust to their idealised body image and so I think that was the connection for me.” Reid added, “It’s not as if some force is telling them to have their limb off and they’re following their paranoid delusion to do that. If that were the case then they would be psychotic, but they’re not like that.”
Carl Elliot, a journalist, medical doctor and philosopher of psychiatry, has studied this condition in depth and written about it in The Atlantic. He is struck by how these patients mimic the gender dysphoric, employing the language of identity, selfhood, and long-felt “naturalness” in describing the necessity of amputation. Published studies reveal the great majority of such individuals—63 to 83 percent—report it as an issue of self-identity and have felt this way since early childhood. Elliot reports these common phrases of explanation from his many interviews:
“I always felt I should be an amputee.”
“I have felt this is who I was.”
“It is a desire to…be myself, as I ‘know’ or ‘feel’ myself to be.”
“Just as a transsexual is not happy with his own body, but longs to have the body of another sex, in the same way I am not happy with my present body, but long for a peg-leg.”
The Truly Disabled Reject The Transabled
Here’s another similarity. As there are many feminists, like Germaine Greer, who categorically and unapologetically reject the legitimacy of a male-to-female trans person as an actual woman, there are the genuinely disabled who fiercely reject and condemn the transabled as pretenders regardless of how strong their feelings are. They see no virtue or comradery in the falsely disabled joining the resistance against society’s “able-normativity.”
In fact, they see the wannabes as insulting and minimalizing, as if it’s a fantasy-role they’re playing. As one truly disabled man explains, “[I]t is not bigotry to defend the disability community against the transabled.” Both of these groups—feminists and the truly disabled—say you can’t actually become something you’re not by merely cutting off some body part, getting some crutches, or a change of wardrobe, and then claiming you’re down for the cause. This was visible in the recent Women’s March. So, compare and contrast. What are the differences between these two phenomena? The perfectly healthy, functioning parts of the body that must be cut off to relieve the dysphoria are different. One is generally seen as crazy, the other by many as brave. Only one has a very powerful lobby and allies in influential places pressing for its normalization.
The similarities? A constant and deep feeling of incongruity between one’s body and actual sense of self, most reporting they’ve “always felt this way.” Both exist in the mind of the person. The individual is willing to go to great lengths, expense, complex processes, and severe pain to “align” body and mind. The differences are actually minimal.
Does Body Cutting Help These Sufferers?
Now, to the most important question, because this involves real, hurting human beings: Does the cutting help? Few would agree that cutting off a perfectly healthy limb or severing spinal nerves is the compassionate and sensible solution for the transabled person. But is it different for the transgendered person?
A 2011 Swedish study, a long-term follow-up of men and women who underwent gender reassignment surgery, indicates that cutting bodies and administering hormonal treatments are not as ameliorative as many think. The authors carefully explain the methodological problems that have plagued previous analyses and how their study provides marked improvements. In contrast to the general population in Sweden, those who have undergone sex reassignment surgery in that extremely gender-variant country are:
• Three times more likely to die prematurely from any cause.
• Nineteen times more likely to die from suicide.
• Three times more likely to die from cardiovascular disease.
• Three times more likely to require psychiatric hospitalization.
• Two times more likely to engage in substance misuse.
• Two times more likely to commit violent crime.
" Woman Demands Doctors Sever Her Spinal Cord To Align Body To Mind, ‘Same As A Transsexual Man’
Let’s examine gender dysphoria, the underlying condition of identifying as transgender, with a similar but different body identity problem.
An effective way to determine the fundamental nature of a thing is to compare it with something that is similar, but different. For example, what is an oval? It’s an elongated circle. Let’s examine gender dysphoria, the underlying condition of identifying as transgender, with a similar but different body identity problem.
Transgender advocates tell us the encompassing feeling about incongruity between transsexuals’ body and self-concept is unlike anything else humans can experience. Thus, they demand very intentional public acceptance.
But being transgender is only one subset under a larger condition. While many trans advocates resist the categorization, it falls practically under the category of what psychologists term Body Integrity Identity Disorder (BIID). It’s a general condition where a person’s physical body does not align with or is dis-integrated with what his or her mind understands itself to be. It’s psychological Platonism.
No, Really, I’m an Amputee With an Extra Arm
Another significant form of body identity disorder is similar but different, and more common than many might think. It goes by various names: apotemnophelia, somatoparaphrenia, or xenomelia. Just as gender dysphoria drives the sense that one’s body is not right and must be reconstructed, this is a curious condition where an individual intensely feels that a particular limb or other section of his or her body does not belong. One specialist in this field reports in the Archives of Sexual Behavior that these are not two wholly disparate conditions. They share many clinical similarities.
Like the gender dysphoric person, those desiring amputation will go to extreme lengths to create integrity between their actual body and their self-understanding. Nearly all desperately request amputation of a very specific part of the body. Most desire a leg amputation, usually the left leg above the knee. A minority desire an arm removed, most often left side, below the elbow. Few desire amputation of fingers or toes. This constancy among patients is curious.
Medical ethics prohibits such amputations, so many resort to maiming the limb so severely that it must be amputated. Clinicians report common means are laying the limb on a railroad track to wait for a passing train, or using power saws. Shotguns, wood chippers, hammers, and chisels have been employed.
One Milwaukee man constructed his own guillotine to do the deed and said if surgeons reattached it, he would happily sever it again. Its removal was that essential for his own sense of well-being. A legal professional employed by the California State Bar applied tourniquets to both her legs, hoping to create the need for medical amputation due to gangrene. Frequently, this desire is sexualized, an erotic desire to be an amputee or sexual attraction to the same.
Why Can Transsexuals Cut Off Body Parts But Not Others?
Some with this condition refer to themselves as transabled. They “know” their true essence is not just being free of a particular limb, but actually being a disabled person of some sort. Some feel they are truly a blind person, but are living with the unacceptable “burden” of working eyes. For some, it’s hearing.
Chloe Jennings-White is very capable and well-accomplished, a research scientist with degrees from Cambridge and Stanford. However, she “knows” she is also a paraplegic, even though fate has dealt her fully functioning legs. She lives in a wheelchair with heavy-duty leg braces and has always felt this way from earliest memories. She has asked doctors to sever her spinal cord so that her body will finally align with her own understanding of herself.
Jennings-White confesses she doesn’t know why her desire to have her body align with her true essence upsets people so much. It is her body, after all. She says it’s not that strange, but “the same as a transsexual man having his penis cut off. It’s never coming back, but they know it’s what they want.” Why him and not her? Trans advocates resist this comparison, claiming these are very different things. How? Well, they say one is made up and the other is real. They say one is a severe psychosis and one is natural. Can you guess which evaluations apply to which condition? It is a convenient way to understand the two if you’re transgender, but are they really that different? Researchers who study these individuals report they rarely demonstrate any other type of psychosis beyond this condition.
If Voices Were Telling Them to Do This, It’d Be ‘Psychotic’
Dr. Russell Reid, a British psychiatrist and one of the leading experts in treating gender dysphoria, spoke on the similarity between the two conditions on a BBC documentary on apotemnophilia. In the show’s introduction, Reid explains, “Certainly when I first heard of people wanting amputations it seemed bizarre in the extreme, but then I thought well, I see transsexuals and transsexuals want healthy parts of their body removed in order to adjust to their idealised body image and so I think that was the connection for me.” Reid added, “It’s not as if some force is telling them to have their limb off and they’re following their paranoid delusion to do that. If that were the case then they would be psychotic, but they’re not like that.”
Carl Elliot, a journalist, medical doctor and philosopher of psychiatry, has studied this condition in depth and written about it in The Atlantic. He is struck by how these patients mimic the gender dysphoric, employing the language of identity, selfhood, and long-felt “naturalness” in describing the necessity of amputation. Published studies reveal the great majority of such individuals—63 to 83 percent—report it as an issue of self-identity and have felt this way since early childhood. Elliot reports these common phrases of explanation from his many interviews:
“I always felt I should be an amputee.”
“I have felt this is who I was.”
“It is a desire to…be myself, as I ‘know’ or ‘feel’ myself to be.”
“Just as a transsexual is not happy with his own body, but longs to have the body of another sex, in the same way I am not happy with my present body, but long for a peg-leg.”
The Truly Disabled Reject The Transabled
Here’s another similarity. As there are many feminists, like Germaine Greer, who categorically and unapologetically reject the legitimacy of a male-to-female trans person as an actual woman, there are the genuinely disabled who fiercely reject and condemn the transabled as pretenders regardless of how strong their feelings are. They see no virtue or comradery in the falsely disabled joining the resistance against society’s “able-normativity.”
In fact, they see the wannabes as insulting and minimalizing, as if it’s a fantasy-role they’re playing. As one truly disabled man explains, “[I]t is not bigotry to defend the disability community against the transabled.” Both of these groups—feminists and the truly disabled—say you can’t actually become something you’re not by merely cutting off some body part, getting some crutches, or a change of wardrobe, and then claiming you’re down for the cause. This was visible in the recent Women’s March. So, compare and contrast. What are the differences between these two phenomena? The perfectly healthy, functioning parts of the body that must be cut off to relieve the dysphoria are different. One is generally seen as crazy, the other by many as brave. Only one has a very powerful lobby and allies in influential places pressing for its normalization.
The similarities? A constant and deep feeling of incongruity between one’s body and actual sense of self, most reporting they’ve “always felt this way.” Both exist in the mind of the person. The individual is willing to go to great lengths, expense, complex processes, and severe pain to “align” body and mind. The differences are actually minimal.
Does Body Cutting Help These Sufferers?
Now, to the most important question, because this involves real, hurting human beings: Does the cutting help? Few would agree that cutting off a perfectly healthy limb or severing spinal nerves is the compassionate and sensible solution for the transabled person. But is it different for the transgendered person?
A 2011 Swedish study, a long-term follow-up of men and women who underwent gender reassignment surgery, indicates that cutting bodies and administering hormonal treatments are not as ameliorative as many think. The authors carefully explain the methodological problems that have plagued previous analyses and how their study provides marked improvements. In contrast to the general population in Sweden, those who have undergone sex reassignment surgery in that extremely gender-variant country are:
• Three times more likely to die prematurely from any cause.
• Nineteen times more likely to die from suicide.
• Three times more likely to die from cardiovascular disease.
• Three times more likely to require psychiatric hospitalization.
• Two times more likely to engage in substance misuse.
• Two times more likely to commit violent crime.
Of all the health categories the researchers examined, only suffering “any accident” or committing “any crime” were less than two times greater than the general population. The scholars conclude, “Even though surgery and hormonal therapy alleviates gender dysphoria, it is apparently not sufficient to remedy the high rates of morbidity and mortality found among transsexual persons.” Cutting the body does not seem to heal the mind.
Surgery Does Not Address the Psychological Problems
The eminent Paul R. McHugh directed the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Johns Hopkins University and was psychiatrist-in-chief at Johns Hopkins Hospital for more than 25 years. He addressed the wisdom of cutting the body to cure the mind in a celebrated essay entitled “Psychiatric Misadventures” in the American Scholar. He decries the Manichean “illusion of technique” which assumes “the body is like a suit of clothes to be hemmed and stitched to style ” to match the mind, all established on “the ghastliness of the mutilated anatomy.”
He tells of a conversation he had with a surgeon colleague at Johns Hopkins on the matter. The surgeon explained, “Imagine what it’s like to…think about spending the day slashing with a knife at perfectly well formed organs, because you psychiatrists do not understand what is the problem here but hope surgery may do the [patient] some good.”
We must understand that both of these are severe psychological conditions and must be treated compassionately but truthfully. The fact that high-profile professional psychiatric associations say one of these is no longer a psychological disorder must be taken with a substantial grain of salt. Their conclusion is not the result of any new scientific development. It’s the admitted result of significant pressure by pro-transgender lobbyists.
Patients are seldom well-served by ideology and beliefs crafted from political expediency. For their sakes, we must be honest about what we are dealing with here, and the similarities between these two conditions should be instructive. "
Surgery Does Not Address the Psychological Problems
The eminent Paul R. McHugh directed the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Johns Hopkins University and was psychiatrist-in-chief at Johns Hopkins Hospital for more than 25 years. He addressed the wisdom of cutting the body to cure the mind in a celebrated essay entitled “Psychiatric Misadventures” in the American Scholar. He decries the Manichean “illusion of technique” which assumes “the body is like a suit of clothes to be hemmed and stitched to style ” to match the mind, all established on “the ghastliness of the mutilated anatomy.”
He tells of a conversation he had with a surgeon colleague at Johns Hopkins on the matter. The surgeon explained, “Imagine what it’s like to…think about spending the day slashing with a knife at perfectly well formed organs, because you psychiatrists do not understand what is the problem here but hope surgery may do the [patient] some good.”
We must understand that both of these are severe psychological conditions and must be treated compassionately but truthfully. The fact that high-profile professional psychiatric associations say one of these is no longer a psychological disorder must be taken with a substantial grain of salt. Their conclusion is not the result of any new scientific development. It’s the admitted result of significant pressure by pro-transgender lobbyists.
Patients are seldom well-served by ideology and beliefs crafted from political expediency. For their sakes, we must be honest about what we are dealing with here, and the similarities between these two conditions should be instructive. "
Posted by BathHouseCulture
Your dick and vagina is a biological fact.
It’s so offensive as women when a man wants park in my space and be a bleeding heart for a cause they know nothing about.
TF you know about growing up a women?
Don’t make me insert the statistics for your dumb asses.
These trans want to live as a women but not be subject to the constant anarchy and bullshit of being a women? Getting picked on for being femme is not a fkn struggle that orbits in the same universe as a women’s.
Monthly cycles
Biological conditions that only affect women because we literally have different organs and systems
Physical vulnerabilities
Physical triumphs that often kill us (child bearing)
The hormonal ghost train rides
Mitochondrial DNA issues
Biological issues
The balance of physical power was always in favour of males. This is a male construct we live in afterall.
Women were nothing but the missing link in the patriarchal chain. We sustain the generations through procreation and be ironic proponents of a cycle that keeps us last. Not all but most.
Get married they said
You’ll be whole they said
Dress this way
Shut your mouth
Speak this way
Cross your legs
Don’t think out loud
Clean up and cook
Watch kids and forfeit pay
Don’t do that
Have kids
Be underpaid
Be stigmatised
Be that girl
GTFO it’s nothing but last place
This transgender agenda is nothing more than a red herring for something more sinister. Soon enough transhuman will be the thing we are fighting but it will be too late.
They’ve already primed your asses for a good jousting.
When they start labelling free expression and genuine concern for “hate speech”
It’s another version of what the leopard men do on dxpnet
Preserve the shitty status quo
You haven’t been THERE then...
What are you based your speech on?
Women back then were different.
Men back then were different.
Don’t bring far past into NOW!
Shit happened and will Still be happening.
Are you feminist?
Don’t tell me. I love cave man! Raw! Uninhibited!
You love metro boyz!!!
Bwhaaaahahaha...
I'll have to request more informations about the mitochondrial DNA issue (google didn't help) and also the leopard men of DXP and what they do.
I actually predicted TERF.
I used to frequent another webforum in the 2000s, a smaller community and it was heavily catering to SJW people and ideas, but at the time it was a new thing and I didn't care about it. Then a mentally instable transgender started shitting on the whole forums and aggravating everybody and he was strongly supported by the moderators who even banned people just for saying the trans was annoying.
These internet people liked to talk about patriarchy and female objectification a lot (it was an art/fiction based forum) so I told them MTF transgenders were actually the worst case of female objectification because most of them just wanted to adopt the imaginary image of feminity they (a male) had in their head and impose that view as real to everybody (including real females).
I said real feminists should fight against MTF trans claiming women rights.
I left them all speechless and triggered at the same time. I was tempbanned but it was worth it.
I used to frequent another webforum in the 2000s, a smaller community and it was heavily catering to SJW people and ideas, but at the time it was a new thing and I didn't care about it. Then a mentally instable transgender started shitting on the whole forums and aggravating everybody and he was strongly supported by the moderators who even banned people just for saying the trans was annoying.
These internet people liked to talk about patriarchy and female objectification a lot (it was an art/fiction based forum) so I told them MTF transgenders were actually the worst case of female objectification because most of them just wanted to adopt the imaginary image of feminity they (a male) had in their head and impose that view as real to everybody (including real females).
I said real feminists should fight against MTF trans claiming women rights.
I left them all speechless and triggered at the same time. I was tempbanned but it was worth it.
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"The conclusion is not the result of any new scientific development. It’s the admitted result of significant pressure by pro-transgender lobbyists. One is seen as crazy, the other is seen as brave."