Posted by Magenta_AzurePosted by partiallyimpartial
with all due respect, please don't put words into my mouth
Im not putting words in your mouth. why dont you go back and read your responses? Maybe it's harder for you to realize what youre doing because youre apart of a privileged group that doesnt have to deal with these issues on a personal level?click to expand
Posted by partiallyimpartial
I'm not convinced that anyone in this thread correctly interpreted anything I've said other than rambunctious...
Posted by partiallyimpartial
... deterrent to the feminist movement at this point in time is WOMEN themselves. ... Most women and most men don't care about the feminist movement... women are the greater impediment.
... what changes WOMEN need to make ...
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Posted by Scenic
We're quick to make enemies because I'm literally talking to you right now, you're telling me that feminism is bullshit and you know what that means? It means you don't see me as a human being with equal rights to you. You think my behavior is unacceptable? Haha Feminists goal IS to unify. Do you even know what feminism is? Feminism isn't just about women. Men suffer from the patriarchy as well. But there are some who don't want to see equality and being against feminism is exactly that.
Posted by Scenic
I just want equal rights. Literally, that is all.
Posted by ScenicPosted by Scenic
I just want equal rights. Literally, that is all.
The most important part of everything I've been saying. This is what feminism is to ME as an individual. How in the world is this wrong and harmful?
You've taken everything bad you've heard about feminists (which are likely not true feminists) and assumed that I think the same. That I have the same goals. That 'equality' is a mask I'm hiding behind and that there is some immoral way that I want to achieve this or some immoral beliefs that fuels myself as a feminist. No. Let me repeat, I'm a feminist (and egalitarian, since they go hand in hand for me)because I want equality. And because of this, if you tell me you're not a feminist, to me, based on my own definition and reasons for being a feminist, that means you don't want equality.click to expand
Posted by Sn1p3r187Posted by ScenicPosted by Scenic
I just want equal rights. Literally, that is all.
The most important part of everything I've been saying. This is what feminism is to ME as an individual. How in the world is this wrong and harmful?
You've taken everything bad you've heard about feminists (which are likely not true feminists) and assumed that I think the same. That I have the same goals. That 'equality' is a mask I'm hiding behind and that there is some immoral way that I want to achieve this or some immoral beliefs that fuels myself as a feminist. No. Let me repeat, I'm a feminist (and egalitarian, since they go hand in hand for me)because I want equality. And because of this, if you tell me you're not a feminist, to me, based on my own definition and reasons for being a feminist, that means you don't want equality.
We all have different definitions of equality. One not associating themselves with feminism is one way of saying they can strive for equality without the brand name. No offense, but you kinda sounded like $ c0rc#d 34rt# after saying that. If you know Leet language then you'll know what I said,click to expand
Posted by CapTenn
Scenic, you want equal rights and you should have them. I don't know one person that thinks otherwise.
So exactly what rights are you being denied?
Posted by ScenicPosted by CapTenn
Scenic, you want equal rights and you should have them. I don't know one person that thinks otherwise.
So exactly what rights are you being denied?
Equal pay (though minority women suffer more in that area than myself)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/equal-pay
Much of it involves the culture of our society, like rape culture. In 31 states, rapists have parental rights. http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/01/us/rapist-child-custody/
Women and their children are not being protected from their attackers. This needs to change.
There are others, but you don't really care, either way. I've had a few conversations with you before and you ask questions only to try to disprove what the other says and not for genuine interest. So, go ahead and tell me where I'm wrong.click to expand
Posted by CapTennPosted by ScenicPosted by CapTenn
Scenic, you want equal rights and you should have them. I don't know one person that thinks otherwise.
So exactly what rights are you being denied?
Equal pay (though minority women suffer more in that area than myself)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/equal-pay
Much of it involves the culture of our society, like rape culture. In 31 states, rapists have parental rights. http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/01/us/rapist-child-custody/
Women and their children are not being protected from their attackers. This needs to change.
There are others, but you don't really care, either way. I've had a few conversations with you before and you ask questions only to try to disprove what the other says and not for genuine interest. So, go ahead and tell me where I'm wrong.
Fair enough.
You're right, I don't agree with all of that, but I won't chastise you for thinking the way you do.click to expand
Posted by ScenicPosted by CapTennPosted by ScenicPosted by CapTenn
Scenic, you want equal rights and you should have them. I don't know one person that thinks otherwise.
So exactly what rights are you being denied?
Equal pay (though minority women suffer more in that area than myself)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/equal-pay
Much of it involves the culture of our society, like rape culture. In 31 states, rapists have parental rights. http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/01/us/rapist-child-custody/
Women and their children are not being protected from their attackers. This needs to change.
There are others, but you don't really care, either way. I've had a few conversations with you before and you ask questions only to try to disprove what the other says and not for genuine interest. So, go ahead and tell me where I'm wrong.
Fair enough.
You're right, I don't agree with all of that, but I won't chastise you for thinking the way you do.
Thank you. I appreciate it.click to expand
Posted by Scenic
Sniper, see my above post for a little bit, but you, as well, do not care about what I'm being denied except to use it as a tool to bring me down.
Also, I was going to include the lack of official reporting on male rape victims as something that needs to change, but it seems that has already happened? At least that's what I got from this article: http://www.vox.com/2014/11/14/7214149/the-fbis-finally-collecting-modern-rape-stats
So, that's one step, at least, though it was an obvious failure of the UCR before that
Posted by Scenic
That favoritism is a compliment since it's not about gender, but me as an individual. I don't mind being a 'special someone' to a person. ; )
Posted by rockyroadicecreamPosted by Scenic
That favoritism is a compliment since it's not about gender, but me as an individual. I don't mind being a 'special someone' to a person. ; )
And you, too. And Magenta.
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Posted by Scenic
Sniper, It's true...such as the case with most crime...people unreasonably fear becoming a victim of crime. The rape statistics do seem high to me, so I'm unsure of where my opinion stands in relation to fear and rape. Rape culture is just a concept where, for instance, victim blaming occurs. I don't think it's a tradition to rape people here, in any sense, though I think that there is an underlying learned behavior or response where people focus on the victim's actions more so than the aggressors actions, at least in opinion. The law mostly avoids this. If you don't agree, I won't argue on it. I'm happy with this level of agreement.
Yes, I did not catch the career choices as part of the mix, though I don't understand the reason why women choose lower paying jobs to say much about it. Is it because they simply prefer those jobs? Is it because the low paying jobs let them spend more time caring for their children? Is it because some higher paying jobs seem not as welcoming to women? I don't know, so I'll leave it at that.
Posted by partiallyimpartial
https://medium.com/human-parts/a-gentlemens-guide-to-rape-culture-7fc86c50dc4c
this one is good for understanding rape culture from the perspective of a man
Posted by Magenta_Azure
@SNIPER
Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Social inequality is latent. meaning it is embedded in our society as normal and we internalize it via socialization. do you really think women can just waltz into corporate America/ a big company and there be no gendered discrimination or harassment against her? do you live under a fucking ROCK? when women enter into work forces that were designated for men or have a strong male presence, guess what? while women in those fields aren't blatantly being told to fuck off, don't think for a second it isn't being implied by they way they are treated. they have to work 2x harder just get the same recognition as a man and even then it still might not be given to her because most people in power don't want to see a woman have power. sexual harassment, work place discrimination, glass ceilings are some of the obstacles that women have to face when they work at Chevrolet or at a big company. and you don't see anyone telling women they cant speak. let me put your ignorant ass on to something. women have to repeat themselves 3X more than men because our voices are not valued in our society. when women speak our voices are outspoken and disregarded by men (and some women). how many times does you mother have to ask you to do something? now how many times does your DAD have to ask you to do something? if inequality has bled into how we interact with each other on a mirco level, imagine how it effects us on a MACRO level.
Posted by Magenta_Azure
inequality has penetrated our justice system. how many times have we seen cases in which there is a shit ton of evidence against the rapist in question, but the case is either thrown out or the rapist receives a slap on this wrist because "boys will be boys"? how many times has a rape victims clothes come into question in a case? or maybe their previous sexual history? do you know what that does to a victim of rape? what kind of message that sends to the world? to boys and men? it tells them that if a woman dresses a certain way you can violate her body. it tells them that if a woman has had a certain amount of sexual partners she is loose and deserving of disrespect.
Posted by Sn1p3r187Posted by Magenta_Azure
@SNIPER
Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Social inequality is latent. meaning it is embedded in our society as normal and we internalize it via socialization. do you really think women can just waltz into corporate America/ a big company and there be no gendered discrimination or harassment against her? do you live under a fucking ROCK? when women enter into work forces that were designated for men or have a strong male presence, guess what? while women in those fields aren't blatantly being told to fuck off, don't think for a second it isn't being implied by they way they are treated. they have to work 2x harder just get the same recognition as a man and even then it still might not be given to her because most people in power don't want to see a woman have power. sexual harassment, work place discrimination, glass ceilings are some of the obstacles that women have to face when they work at Chevrolet or at a big company. and you don't see anyone telling women they cant speak. let me put your ignorant ass on to something. women have to repeat themselves 3X more than men because our voices are not valued in our society. when women speak our voices are outspoken and disregarded by men (and some women). how many times does you mother have to ask you to do something? now how many times does your DAD have to ask you to do something? if inequality has bled into how we interact with each other on a mirco level, imagine how it effects us on a MACRO level.
I have no idea what the hell you just said. You could wrapped that up in a few sentences then going the length of an entire bookclick to expand
Posted by Magenta_AzurePosted by Sn1p3r187Posted by Magenta_Azure
@SNIPER
Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Social inequality is latent. meaning it is embedded in our society as normal and we internalize it via socialization. do you really think women can just waltz into corporate America/ a big company and there be no gendered discrimination or harassment against her? do you live under a fucking ROCK? when women enter into work forces that were designated for men or have a strong male presence, guess what? while women in those fields aren't blatantly being told to fuck off, don't think for a second it isn't being implied by they way they are treated. they have to work 2x harder just get the same recognition as a man and even then it still might not be given to her because most people in power don't want to see a woman have power. sexual harassment, work place discrimination, glass ceilings are some of the obstacles that women have to face when they work at Chevrolet or at a big company. and you don't see anyone telling women they cant speak. let me put your ignorant ass on to something. women have to repeat themselves 3X more than men because our voices are not valued in our society. when women speak our voices are outspoken and disregarded by men (and some women). how many times does you mother have to ask you to do something? now how many times does your DAD have to ask you to do something? if inequality has bled into how we interact with each other on a mirco level, imagine how it effects us on a MACRO level.
I have no idea what the hell you just said. You could wrapped that up in a few sentences then going the length of an entire book
dont blame me for your stupidity. learn how to read.click to expand
Posted by CapTennPosted by Magenta_Azure
inequality has penetrated our justice system. how many times have we seen cases in which there is a shit ton of evidence against the rapist in question, but the case is either thrown out or the rapist receives a slap on this wrist because "boys will be boys"? how many times has a rape victims clothes come into question in a case? or maybe their previous sexual history? do you know what that does to a victim of rape? what kind of message that sends to the world? to boys and men? it tells them that if a woman dresses a certain way you can violate her body. it tells them that if a woman has had a certain amount of sexual partners she is loose and deserving of disrespect.
As a feminist, I wouldn't be attacking the justice system for lack of sentencing, considering the wide disparity in female/male convictions and sentence length and time served for equivalent crimes --- especially rape.
Hypocrisy is a hallmark of feminism that makes it such a turn off.click to expand
Posted by CapTennPosted by Magenta_AzurePosted by Sn1p3r187Posted by Magenta_Azure
@SNIPER
Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Social inequality is latent. meaning it is embedded in our society as normal and we internalize it via socialization. do you really think women can just waltz into corporate America/ a big company and there be no gendered discrimination or harassment against her? do you live under a fucking ROCK? when women enter into work forces that were designated for men or have a strong male presence, guess what? while women in those fields aren't blatantly being told to fuck off, don't think for a second it isn't being implied by they way they are treated. they have to work 2x harder just get the same recognition as a man and even then it still might not be given to her because most people in power don't want to see a woman have power. sexual harassment, work place discrimination, glass ceilings are some of the obstacles that women have to face when they work at Chevrolet or at a big company. and you don't see anyone telling women they cant speak. let me put your ignorant ass on to something. women have to repeat themselves 3X more than men because our voices are not valued in our society. when women speak our voices are outspoken and disregarded by men (and some women). how many times does you mother have to ask you to do something? now how many times does your DAD have to ask you to do something? if inequality has bled into how we interact with each other on a mirco level, imagine how it effects us on a MACRO level.
I have no idea what the hell you just said. You could wrapped that up in a few sentences then going the length of an entire book
dont blame me for your stupidity. learn how to read.
Proper spacing is your friend.
Learn how to write, idiot.click to expand
Posted by Magenta_AzurePosted by CapTennPosted by Magenta_Azure
inequality has penetrated our justice system. how many times have we seen cases in which there is a shit ton of evidence against the rapist in question, but the case is either thrown out or the rapist receives a slap on this wrist because "boys will be boys"? how many times has a rape victims clothes come into question in a case? or maybe their previous sexual history? do you know what that does to a victim of rape? what kind of message that sends to the world? to boys and men? it tells them that if a woman dresses a certain way you can violate her body. it tells them that if a woman has had a certain amount of sexual partners she is loose and deserving of disrespect.
As a feminist, I wouldn't be attacking the justice system for lack of sentencing, considering the wide disparity in female/male convictions and sentence length and time served for equivalent crimes --- especially rape.
Hypocrisy is a hallmark of feminism that makes it such a turn off.
wtf does that have to do with ANYTHING i just said. and you wouldnt know WHAT to attack as a feminist becasue youre a typical, dismissive MISOGYNIST.click to expand
Posted by Magenta_AzurePosted by CapTennPosted by Magenta_AzurePosted by Sn1p3r187Posted by Magenta_Azure
@SNIPER
Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Social inequality is latent. meaning it is embedded in our society as normal and we internalize it via socialization. do you really think women can just waltz into corporate America/ a big company and there be no gendered discrimination or harassment against her? do you live under a fucking ROCK? when women enter into work forces that were designated for men or have a strong male presence, guess what? while women in those fields aren't blatantly being told to fuck off, don't think for a second it isn't being implied by they way they are treated. they have to work 2x harder just get the same recognition as a man and even then it still might not be given to her because most people in power don't want to see a woman have power. sexual harassment, work place discrimination, glass ceilings are some of the obstacles that women have to face when they work at Chevrolet or at a big company. and you don't see anyone telling women they cant speak. let me put your ignorant ass on to something. women have to repeat themselves 3X more than men because our voices are not valued in our society. when women speak our voices are outspoken and disregarded by men (and some women). how many times does you mother have to ask you to do something? now how many times does your DAD have to ask you to do something? if inequality has bled into how we interact with each other on a mirco level, imagine how it effects us on a MACRO level.
I have no idea what the hell you just said. You could wrapped that up in a few sentences then going the length of an entire book
dont blame me for your stupidity. learn how to read.
Proper spacing is your friend.
Learn how to write, idiot.
you got my point, dumbass. keep it pushin'.click to expand
Posted by Magenta_Azure
@captenn
like i said, keep it pushin', dumbass. until youre ready to face reality and learn what you dont understand, you have you have no place in this conversation. your pathetic attempt to mansplain social inequalities women face with bro-ology is useless and has no legitimate empirical evidence to back it up. take a couple courses in sociology and try again next time.
Posted by Magenta_AzurePosted by Sn1p3r187Posted by Magenta_Azure
@SNIPER
Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Social inequality is latent. meaning it is embedded in our society as normal and we internalize it via socialization. do you really think women can just waltz into corporate America/ a big company and there be no gendered discrimination or harassment against her? do you live under a fucking ROCK? when women enter into work forces that were designated for men or have a strong male presence, guess what? while women in those fields aren't blatantly being told to fuck off, don't think for a second it isn't being implied by they way they are treated. they have to work 2x harder just get the same recognition as a man and even then it still might not be given to her because most people in power don't want to see a woman have power. sexual harassment, work place discrimination, glass ceilings are some of the obstacles that women have to face when they work at Chevrolet or at a big company. and you don't see anyone telling women they cant speak. let me put your ignorant ass on to something. women have to repeat themselves 3X more than men because our voices are not valued in our society. when women speak our voices are outspoken and disregarded by men (and some women). how many times does you mother have to ask you to do something? now how many times does your DAD have to ask you to do something? if inequality has bled into how we interact with each other on a mirco level, imagine how it effects us on a MACRO level.
I have no idea what the hell you just said. You could wrapped that up in a few sentences then going the length of an entire book
dont blame me for your stupidity. learn how to read.click to expand
Posted by Magenta_Azure
@captenn
like i said, keep it pushin', dumbass. until youre ready to face reality and learn what you dont understand, you have you have no place in this conversation. your pathetic attempt to mansplain social inequalities women face with bro-ology is useless and has no legitimate empirical evidence to back it up. take a couple courses in sociology and try again next time.
Posted by rockyroadicecreamPosted by Magenta_Azure
@captenn
like i said, keep it pushin', dumbass. until youre ready to face reality and learn what you dont understand, you have you have no place in this conversation. your pathetic attempt to mansplain social inequalities women face with bro-ology is useless and has no legitimate empirical evidence to back it up. take a couple courses in sociology and try again next time.
I wouldn't waste any more energy, dear. He lives in Tenn. I used to live there as well and it's kind of a lost cause to try to explain this to some there.click to expand
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