Nationalism

This topic was created in the Miscellaneous forum by JustLin on Saturday, May 19, 2018 and has 20 replies.

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@Weeds
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Nationalism is what got trump elected. It's alive and well.

Nothing wrong with it. But when you take into what the nazis did with it.. it's important never to blind yourself to what it can become later.

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@hydorah
13 Years10,000+ PostsPisces

nationalism has some good and some bad, obviously it's dumb on a lot of counts, and sounds archaic as a concept.

On the other hand it can help people defend themselves against a more global tyranny.

It happened countless times over the ages. A suite of globalist empires forming, followed by nationalistic separatism. It will keep happening.

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Personally i don't think that nationalism is dying, quite the contrary, it's on the rise through a resurgence of populist politicians who for right and wrong reasons want to take power away from unelected bureaucrats sitting in supra-national institutions to whose regulation nations committed themselves for economic benefits in the past.

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Posted by Mr_Pinchy
Personally i don't think that nationalism is dying, quite the contrary, it's on the rise through a resurgence of populist politicians who for right and wrong reasons want to take power away from unelected bureaucrats sitting in supra-national institutions to whose regulation nations committed themselves for economic benefits in the past.

You're talking with perspective towards the EU I presume?

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Posted by CancerOnTheCusp

Posted by Mr_Pinchy
Personally i don't think that nationalism is dying, quite the contrary, it's on the rise through a resurgence of populist politicians who for right and wrong reasons want to take power away from unelected bureaucrats sitting in supra-national institutions to whose regulation nations committed themselves for economic benefits in the past.

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Ya i do, but broadly speaking Trump won on the same ticket. Populist, preached less commitment in int. institutions, removal of troops etc etc

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Posted by exsqueezeme

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I couldn't stand one day with "my own" lol. Bunch of paranoid, hypochondriac, know-it-alls. Ugh

Do they believe themselves to always have a severe ailment when all the while it’s something minor? Are they drama queens? click to expand

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Yes, extreme. 🙄 And they always think they know best and that doctors are out to get them or somehow make money out of them dying. It's all business see

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@CancerOnTheCusp
12 Years5,000+ Posts

I'm curious, and pose a question for the studio audience:

Is the US Constitution:

A) Racist

B) Evil

C) Opposed to the progress of the Human Condition

D) A culmination of humanistic thought rooted in the inherent rights of man (settle down, human if you prefer)

E) A document specifically designed to keep the masses down

F) A pesky document that would have been better if it said "King George Rules"

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@Weeds
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Posted by Neshama

Nationalism is all about the state. It's not about the country.

It's about state power.

It excludes the interests of other nations instead of trying to live in harmony with them. Which causes wars.

Before you can live in harmony with other nations you must learn to live in harmony with your own.

No different then the term "learn to love yourself before you start loving others"

You come first then others.

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@Weeds
11 Years1,000+ Posts

Posted by Neshama

Posted by Weeds

Posted by Neshama

Nationalism is all about the state. It's not about the country.

It's about state power.

It excludes the interests of other nations instead of trying to live in harmony with them. Which causes wars.

Before you can live in harmony with other nations you must learn to live in harmony with your own.

No different then the term "learn to love yourself before you start loving others"

You come first then others.

Wrong. You can't love yourself until you love others. You can only be a narcissist.

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How has that worked for you?

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@Weeds
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Posted by Boring

Posted by Weeds

Posted by Neshama

Nationalism is all about the state. It's not about the country.

It's about state power.

It excludes the interests of other nations instead of trying to live in harmony with them. Which causes wars.

Before you can live in harmony with other nations you must learn to live in harmony with your own.

No different then the term "learn to love yourself before you start loving others"

You come first then others.

The concept of this dichotomy between "us" and the"others" is socially constructed. We are all "us" in the sense that we are all the same species. You can extend that to all sentients and even to all living things, if you will.

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Not with the notion of tribalism within nations. Once tribalism is eradicate then you can take unity globally as a species.

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Posted by Neshama

Posted by Weeds

Posted by Neshama

Nationalism is all about the state. It's not about the country.

It's about state power.

It excludes the interests of other nations instead of trying to live in harmony with them. Which causes wars.

Before you can live in harmony with other nations you must learn to live in harmony with your own.

No different then the term "learn to love yourself before you start loving others"

You come first then others.

Wrong. You can't love yourself until you love others. You can only be a narcissist.

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No, Weeds is right, self love first

The reason people get abused or treated badly is they've no self love...

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Posted by Neshama

Posted by MyStarsShine

Posted by Neshama

Posted by Weeds

Posted by Neshama

Nationalism is all about the state. It's not about the country.

It's about state power.

It excludes the interests of other nations instead of trying to live in harmony with them. Which causes wars.

Before you can live in harmony with other nations you must learn to live in harmony with your own.

No different then the term "learn to love yourself before you start loving others"

You come first then others.

Wrong. You can't love yourself until you love others. You can only be a narcissist.

No, Weeds is right, self love first

The reason people get abused or treated badly is they've no self love...

I think it's usually lack of free choice or other options.

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I've found with people it's about feeling unloved...

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@FeelingGemini
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Depending on who "yours" are. Mine are bunch of half people, half beasts, so I don't really enjoy the company.

It's a choice; you either choose an easy road with no bumps, or a road less travelled with a possibility to lose life.

It all depends on you, but that's how things work in general.