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The Trump administration is preparing to redirect resources of the Justice Department’s civil rights division toward investigating and suing universities over affirmative action admissions policies deemed to discriminate against white applicants, according to a document obtained by The New York Times.

The document does not explicitly identify whom the Justice Department considers at risk of discrimination because of affirmative action admissions policies. But the phrasing it uses, “intentional race-based discrimination,” cuts to the heart of programs designed to bring more minority students to university campuses.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/01/us/politics/trump-affirmative-action-universities.html

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The Trump administration is preparing to redirect resources of the Justice Department’s civil rights division toward investigating and suing universities over affirmative action admissions policies deemed to discriminate against white applicants, according to a document obtained by The New York Times.

The document does not explicitly identify whom the Justice Department considers at risk of discrimination because of affirmative action admissions policies. But the phrasing it uses, “intentional race-based discrimination,” cuts to the heart of programs designed to bring more minority students to university campuses.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/01/us/politics/trump-affirmative-action-universities.html

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he's abominable

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The concept of affirmative action is stupid and even insulting and if people must be favored it should be based on low income criteria.

That said, I'd rather the justice dept use that money to inquire about police brutality.

but I'm not an americlap so i don't care

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But.... White people use affirmative action too lmao

Matter of fact... They tried to do away with affrimative action in the 90's ...and guess what black and Latina enrollment did go down. But so did white enrollment too lol

especially at schools like UCLA and alot of others... So remember this before you get your panties in a wad....There's always an Asian that can do it better...

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And also let's not forget the reason affirmative action was Set in place anyway

..it wasn't cause minorities weren't qualified to go to these schools or businesses it's because they were qualified and they were still being DISCRIMINATED AGAINST... And less qualified applicants were getting picked over them

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Posted by Ssuperman
Affirmative Action prevents the best person for the job to get the job based on race. It's actually discrimination

WRONG... Absolutely wrong there was studies upon studies done one this... There were plently of OVER QUALIFIED minoities to do these jobs... But they were turned away... Simply because of the race... Do some research my friend... No one just made these laws for kicks and giggles STAPH

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Affirmative Action prevents the best person for the job to get the job based on race. It's actually discrimination

WRONG... Absolutely wrong there was studies upon studies done one this... There were plently of OVER QUALIFIED minoities to do these jobs... But they were turned away... Simply because of the race... Do some research my friend... No one just made these laws for kicks and giggles STAPH

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You do know the govt regulates this stuff. I'm on the hiring committee for my company. When the govt tells you that you HAVE to hire minorities, more qualified candidates get dismissed (regardless of race)

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I personally dislike affirmative actions because it has the adverse affect of your peers thinking you got the job, not based on merit, but race. Which means, the that if that person was an Asian/Hispanic/Black women, in a top rank job, to prove she got it off the context of her skills, she would end up having to work 10 times harder to prove such. Instead of some people believing it was because she was a women of minority.

I have seen this happen with my mom. That is why I dislike it.

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Posted by Ssuperman

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Posted by Ssuperman
Affirmative Action prevents the best person for the job to get the job based on race. It's actually discrimination

WRONG... Absolutely wrong there was studies upon studies done one this... There were plently of OVER QUALIFIED minoities to do these jobs... But they were turned away... Simply because of the race... Do some research my friend... No one just made these laws for kicks and giggles STAPH

You do know the govt regulates this stuff. I'm on the hiring committee for my company. When the govt tells you that you HAVE to hire minorities, more qualified candidates get dismissed (regardless of race)

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And again... Before the law was ever put into place... There were OVER QUALIFIED APPLICANTS that were dismissed and turned away simply based on race... And your also dimissing the fact that alot of people still are today...cause the bottom line is a person is hiring... That person just like the rest of us have biases.. And to make sure those biases are regulated there are laws In place to protect people...

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Posted by nikkistar
I personally dislike affirmative actions because it has the adverse affect of your peers thinking you got the job, not based on merit, but race. Which means, the that if that person was an Asian/Hispanic/Black women, in a top rank job, to prove she got it off the context of her skills, she would end up having to work 10 times harder to prove such. Instead of some people believing it was because she was a women of minority.

I have seen this happen with my mom. That is why I dislike it.

i personally agree with this (i am also asian ✌?) but dont we, women of color, have to work 10 times as hard for everything anyway? career, art, education, etc?

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and so you think white women didnt have the same problem? just wondering

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Also i find it very curious that people that say they want to the best person for the job... Does this logic apply to immigrants... Nah... Then it's their taking my jobs !!! What about outsourcing? Does this logic apply to that?

Nah...

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Posted by EvilHare
This is one of those situations in which going full Libertarian retard might be the best answer: pull government funding and regulation from universities and colleges and let the market determine their fate.

you do know that community colleges were free to anyone at one point because our taxes paid for them. now they take our taxes and change almost as much as a university. just saying.

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Also i find it very curious that people that say they want to the best person for the job... Does this logic apply to immigrants... Nah... Then it's their taking my jobs !!! What about outsourcing? Does this logic apply to that?

Nah...

that human trafficing made legal. those poor people get put into poor housing and dont get paid shit. and its lawyers running these things. making money off the businesses and these desperate people

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This is one of those situations in which going full Libertarian retard might be the best answer: pull government funding and regulation from universities and colleges and let the market determine their fate.

you do know that community colleges were free to anyone at one point because our taxes paid for them. now they take our taxes and change almost as much as a university. just saying.

Yep. They still are in some states. They also usually focus on teaching job skills. Which I think is fantastic and far more useful than a university degree in a lot of cases.

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wish that was going on here in Arizona. our school system sucks. lol we get way to many retired people here.

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Posted by lesenfantterribles

Posted by nikkistar
I personally dislike affirmative actions because it has the adverse affect of your peers thinking you got the job, not based on merit, but race. Which means, the that if that person was an Asian/Hispanic/Black women, in a top rank job, to prove she got it off the context of her skills, she would end up having to work 10 times harder to prove such. Instead of some people believing it was because she was a women of minority.

I have seen this happen with my mom. That is why I dislike it.

i personally agree with this (i am also asian ✌?) but dont we, women of color, have to work 10 times as hard for everything anyway? career, art, education, etc?

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All women do imo, but yes those non white even more so.

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Posted by EvilHare

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Also i find it very curious that people that say they want to the best person for the job... Does this logic apply to immigrants... Nah... Then it's their taking my jobs !!! What about outsourcing? Does this logic apply to that?

Nah...

If the immigrants can do it better...then yes.

If outsourcing can do it better...then yes.

I only care about results.

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Well alright... You my little fuzzy friend are a. Rare breed... Most that I know... Do not think this way... And Only care about how will affect them ...

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Posted by Cancan26

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Also i find it very curious that people that say they want to the best person for the job... Does this logic apply to immigrants... Nah... Then it's their taking my jobs !!! What about outsourcing? Does this logic apply to that?

Nah...

If the immigrants can do it better...then yes.

If outsourcing can do it better...then yes.

I only care about results.

Well alright... You my little fuzzy friend are a. Rare breed... Most that I know... Do nit think this way... And Only care about how will affect them ...

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My beliefs are very much in like with Rabbit's as well. I literally don't care if a person is black, blue, yellow, purple, or orange. I just want everything to be based off the results, and skill of a person.

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Also i find it very curious that people that say they want to the best person for the job... Does this logic apply to immigrants... Nah... Then it's their taking my jobs !!! What about outsourcing? Does this logic apply to that?

Nah...

If the immigrants can do it better...then yes.

If outsourcing can do it better...then yes.

I only care about results.

Well alright... You my little fuzzy friend are a. Rare breed... Most that I know... Do nit think this way... And Only care about how will affect them ...

I think there a lot companies out there that feel the same. Otherwise the building next to ours wouldn't be filled with 300+ Indian men and women writing code and driving luxury cars ?

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I see the jab you just did to @teena

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Also i find it very curious that people that say they want to the best person for the job... Does this logic apply to immigrants... Nah... Then it's their taking my jobs !!! What about outsourcing? Does this logic apply to that?

Nah...

If the immigrants can do it better...then yes.

If outsourcing can do it better...then yes.

I only care about results.

Well alright... You my little fuzzy friend are a. Rare breed... Most that I know... Do nit think this way... And Only care about how will affect them ...

I think there a lot companies out there that feel the same. Otherwise the building next to ours wouldn't be filled with 300+ Indian men and women writing code and driving luxury cars ?

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You are right... About that as well and

I still agree with those companies be held accountable (via affirmative action) for hiring qualified white people, black and other minorities... If you go to school and are qualified EVERYONE SHOULD BE GIVEN A FAIR CHANCE...

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Also i find it very curious that people that say they want to the best person for the job... Does this logic apply to immigrants... Nah... Then it's their taking my jobs !!! What about outsourcing? Does this logic apply to that?

Nah...

If the immigrants can do it better...then yes.

If outsourcing can do it better...then yes.

I only care about results.

Well alright... You my little fuzzy friend are a. Rare breed... Most that I know... Do nit think this way... And Only care about how will affect them ...

My beliefs are very much in like with Rabbit's as well. I literally don't care if a person is black, blue, yellow, purple, or orange. I just want everything to be based off the results, and skill of a person.

Dead folks and Donald Trump are never the right people for the job.

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Necrophiliacs would disagree about the dead folks part.

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Posted by Cancan26

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Also i find it very curious that people that say they want to the best person for the job... Does this logic apply to immigrants... Nah... Then it's their taking my jobs !!! What about outsourcing? Does this logic apply to that?

Nah...

If the immigrants can do it better...then yes.

If outsourcing can do it better...then yes.

I only care about results.

Well alright... You my little fuzzy friend are a. Rare breed... Most that I know... Do nit think this way... And Only care about how will affect them ...

My beliefs are very much in like with Rabbit's as well. I literally don't care if a person is black, blue, yellow, purple, or orange. I just want everything to be based off the results, and skill of a person.

Dead folks and Donald Trump are never the right people for the job.

Necrophiliacs would disagree about the dead folks part.

JFC

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wut

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Posted by EvilHare

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Also i find it very curious that people that say they want to the best person for the job... Does this logic apply to immigrants... Nah... Then it's their taking my jobs !!! What about outsourcing? Does this logic apply to that?

Nah...

If the immigrants can do it better...then yes.

If outsourcing can do it better...then yes.

I only care about results.

Well alright... You my little fuzzy friend are a. Rare breed... Most that I know... Do nit think this way... And Only care about how will affect them ...

I think there a lot companies out there that feel the same. Otherwise the building next to ours wouldn't be filled with 300+ Indian men and women writing code and driving luxury cars ?

I see the jab you just did to @teena

Yeah but none of the women are as attractive as @Teena (or the person who she steals her profile pics from) is.

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?

Thanks to her?

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i think its more on personality then skills. Skills can be taught but personalities cant. just a thought. there was a time business hired more for that and taught the person how they wanted things to be run.