Mosque Near World Trade Centre (Page 4)

Posted by brianafay
I meant the Muslim nation. I should have clarified.
This wasn't: we're Muslim, we hate you because you're not...we're going to blow ourselves up in our God's name and take as many of you fuckers out as possible. That's sad people buy that. That's the kind of mindset that breeds hatred and prejudice. Which is of course what they want, so they can get away with their political agendas. Like war in a country who has nothing to do with anything.

If you believe the attackers were pawns then they did attack us in allah's name.

in chess, every piece is significant and ignoring one piece, its role and position is a huge FAIL.

They believed it and if they believed it, other pawns will. Do you honestk y believe people are strapping bombs to their bodies to oppose a socioeconomic agenda? You think they regard their physical sacrifice as anything but holy?

If you do, then you're as dumb as "they."

Honestly 😛

Posted by tubbyscubby

Posted by brianafay
I meant the Muslim nation. I should have clarified.
This wasn't: we're Muslim, we hate you because you're not...we're going to blow ourselves up in our God's name and take as many of you fuckers out as possible. That's sad people buy that. That's the kind of mindset that breeds hatred and prejudice. Which is of course what they want, so they can get away with their political agendas. Like war in a country who has nothing to do with anything.

If you believe the attackers were pawns then they did attack us in allah's name.

in chess, every piece is significant and ignoring one piece, its role and position is a huge FAIL.

They believed it and if they believed it, other pawns will. Do you honestk y believe people are strapping bombs to their bodies to oppose a socioeconomic agenda? You think they regard their physical sacrifice as anything but holy?

If you do, then you're as dumb as "they."

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No. They did it because they were promised by very wealthy and powerful people that their families would be taken care of.

So the Ft Hood shooter was promised...?

Not to mention, these men were extreme nationalists. They could have done it for the sake of their country - martyrdom

Believe it or not, there are people who sacrifice themselves on principle. Cash is an unnecessary bonus.

Those soldiers who enlisted post 9-11 did so in part for gi-bills and bonuses. Some did so because their life was fucked. Others for whatever reason but many did so in honor of their country. The king of course pimped the pawns and made their honour and sacrifice about money, oil and tactical positioning but to trivialize their desire to serve simply because it suits ya is insulting.

Posted by tubbyscubby
So the Ft Hood shooter was promised...?

He was a very disturbed man, but if you want to associate him with them, okay.


Most of these people are extreme nationalists. They'd do anything for their country. (Not that different from our soldiers dying for us, really.)
The middle east has been fighting over territory since the beginning of time, so as a rule, they are raised with this nationalist mindset. They go to extreme measures to protect their nation.

& it just so happens there is no separation of state and religion there. They are one. So when they act extreme it if often misconstrued that they're doing it in the name of Allah....however, the extremists that do this crazy shit are doing it for their country.

The whole Islamic suicide mission in the name of Allah and virgins in heaven is a fallacy and very distorted from the truth.
& I'm sorry only some dumb redneck like Bush could come up with that. :X

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Posted by tubbyscubby
So the Ft Hood shooter was promised...?

please, can you really compare?

don't make me start googling mass shootings in america and break it down by ethnic group. I really don't have the time today.

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Did you read his "manifesto?"

Thought not.

Posted by tubbyscubby

Others for whatever reason but many did so in honor of their country. The king of course pimped the pawns and made their honour and sacrifice about money, oil and tactical positioning but to trivialize their desire to serve simply because it suits ya is insulting.

I'm glad you get it. 🙂
People will absolutely sacrifice themselves for the sake of their country.

Exactly my point.


If we had a chance to ask them, I'm sure you'd learn very few did it for the sake of saving Islam or defending the honor of their religion. They did it for their country and for their families.

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Posted by tubbyscubby
So the Ft Hood shooter was promised...?

He was a very disturbed man, but if you want to associate him with them, okay.


Most of these people are extreme nationalists. They'd do anything for their country. (Not that different from our soldiers dying for us, really.)
The middle east has been fighting over territory since the beginning of time, so as a rule, they are raised with this nationalist mindset. They go to extreme measures to protect their nation.

& it just so happens there is no separation of state and religion there. They are one. So when they act extreme it if often misconstrued that they're doing it in the name of Allah....however, the extremists that do this crazy shit are doing it for their country.

The whole Islamic suicide mission in the name of Allah and virgins in heaven is a fallacy and very distorted from the truth.
& I'm sorry only some dumb redneck like Bush could come up with that. :X

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Congrats! You have officially oversimplified and illogically rationalized so many issues that it would take a good 5 posts to point out how wrong you are. It's as if you explained calculus by only discussing addition. I'm perplexed.

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Posted by LovelyScorp

Posted by tubbyscubby
So the Ft Hood shooter was promised...?

please, can you really compare?

don't make me start googling mass shootings in america and break it down by ethnic group. I really don't have the time today.

Did you read his "manifesto?"

Thought not.

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Again, he was a very disturbed man, and I don't really agree that he can even be used as an example.

My ever so humble opinion was that his mind was fucked from his experiences and discrimination he received as a result of his ethnic background. He was connected with the Muslims because of this & when he lost his mind he thought he was truly doing it for their sake.

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Posted by brianafay

Posted by tubbyscubby
So the Ft Hood shooter was promised...?

He was a very disturbed man, but if you want to associate him with them, okay.


Most of these people are extreme nationalists. They'd do anything for their country. (Not that different from our soldiers dying for us, really.)
The middle east has been fighting over territory since the beginning of time, so as a rule, they are raised with this nationalist mindset. They go to extreme measures to protect their nation.

& it just so happens there is no separation of state and religion there. They are one. So when they act extreme it if often misconstrued that they're doing it in the name of Allah....however, the extremists that do this crazy shit are doing it for their country.

The whole Islamic suicide mission in the name of Allah and virgins in heaven is a fallacy and very distorted from the truth.
& I'm sorry only some dumb redneck like Bush could come up with that. :X

Congrats! You have officially oversimplified and illogically rationalized so many issues that it would take a good 5 posts to point out how wrong you are. It's as if you explained calculus by only discussing addition. I'm perplexed.

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I really wish you would point it out if you think I'm wrong.

@tubbyscubby,

Still keepin this discussion active? I'd say you lost the plot of your own making, and have become a babbling incoherent mess. You appear to take more pleasure in your own verbosity and sophistry, than actually make a solid point.

Let's examine some of your horsesh*t (again):

In response to what LovelyScorp said about who defines who is American, you reacted with this:

"Can you spare me this retarded idealism? Minorities across this country are unfairly targeted/profiled/judged on a daily basis.....if you're foolish enough to believe that they're saying "God Bless America" in private, then you're also dumb enough to believe that Jeremiah Wright saying "sparkle motion America" is racist. Idiot."

Calling ideals "retarded" isn't an argument, it's schoolyard namecalling.

And whether they say God bless America in private or public, is really NOT your concern, mine, or anyone else's. Neither should they be held under some kind of cultural microscope to test their patriotism.

If you recall - that's what happened to our biracial president (Barack HUSSEIN Obama), when he stated one doesn't need to wear a flag on their lapel/suit to display their love for country - only to be hunted for it, and now like a dutifully scolded child, he wears it in most public appearances. I wonder if he'd be held to that kind of scrutiny, had he NOT been biracial, or with a Muslim middle name? Hmmmm. But I digress.

Interestingly tubbyscubby, you have flashes of insight that you do NOT apply to your own behavior. Somewhere in this mess, you quipped:

"The majority has a way of transforming any negative truth into a personal attack. Their defensiveness prohibits discussion, understanding and progression."

The mainstream majority "discourse" on Islam and Muslims in America is one of xenoophobic ignorance, or a studied hatred of Islam despite knowledge of the religion and its adherents. Not only have you swallowed it wholesale, you peddle it in this forum for the sake of entertainment. And that further obstructs understanding and progress.

If your gripe is with extremist Muslims who strap bombs and hijack planes - then make that distinction in your own head first. Realize that they are a bunch of irreligious, immoral black sheep who kn

Wake up, and use that brain for something other than horrid pictures of zombie freaks and being a drama queen in this forum.

Posted by ScorpDragon
@tubbyscubby,
The mainstream majority "discourse" on Islam and Muslims in America is one of xenoophobic ignorance, or a studied hatred of Islam despite knowledge of the religion and its adherents. Not only have you swallowed it wholesale, you peddle it in this forum for the sake of entertainment. And that further obstructs understanding and progress.

*nods*

& for someone who harps on minorities and prejudice all the time - calling people ignorant and racist... I see a certain familiar mindset

I'm ignoring that scorpio. His/its first post on this thread was directed at me and he totally ignored what feisty said on pg 2.

You both wish to argue that there was an economic motivation but it merely shows your arrogance.

Plenty of people are poor. Plenty of people would make sacrifices to provide for family. It'd take a special somebody to agree to kill masses in order to pit food on the table. You want to ignore the religious motivation when it suits you. Unfortunatelty, they didn't.

And I'm cooking food for old people atm. You're getting the best I can muster in between watching the bacon...swine, there's a pun in there somewhere.

Posted by brianafay
Exactly my point.


If we had a chance to ask them, I'm sure you'd learn very few did it for the sake of saving Islam or defending the honor of their religion. They did it for their country and for their families.

WRONG! You're speaking from a christian mindset. You said it earlier. There is no separation of church and state. For jews and muslims, religion isn't separate from self. It dictates their daily life...from what they eat to what they do and when they do it. You are trivializing their faith by not recognizing the importance of it. So you're just as insulting as those who see islam as a bastard faith.

Posted by tubbyscubby


You both wish to argue that there was an economic motivation but it merely shows your arrogance.

Plenty of people are poor. Plenty of people would make sacrifices to provide for family. It'd take a special somebody to agree to kill masses in order to pit food on the table. You want to ignore the religious motivation when it suits you. Unfortunatelty, they didn't.

I don't think they did it just for money...they also did it for the sake of their nation - again, martyrdom. They'll be national heroes. Their families will be taken care of them. They'll make a mark - leave a legacy.

& it does take a special somebody - someone who was raised with an extreme nationalist mindset. Also the same kind of special somebody that does all the other crazy shit people have done to "leave their mark."


I'm not denying their religion fanaticism had nothing to do with it either - they are extreme people! As nationalists, part of a nation where church & state are one it OBVIOUSLY is intertwined.
But they are not extreme because they are Muslim. & they did not agree to kill themselves and thousands of people for Allah or virgins waiting for them in heaven.

So this:

Posted by tubbyscubby

Muslims in America deserve scrutiny

was absolutely unfounded. & is the type of mindset that promotes prejudice.

That's all I'm saying. 🙂

Don't get all worked up and start acting like an asshole like usual. We're all acting civilly.

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Posted by LovelyScorp

Posted by tubbyscubby
So the Ft Hood shooter was promised...?

please, can you really compare?

don't make me start googling mass shootings in america and break it down by ethnic group. I really don't have the time today.

Did you read his "manifesto?"

Thought not.

Again, he was a very disturbed man, and I don't really agree that he can even be used as an example.

My ever so humble opinion was that his mind was fucked from his experiences and discrimination he received as a result of his ethnic background. He was connected with the Muslims because of this & when he lost his mind he thought he was truly doing it for their sake.

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So you make these assumptions based on...?

He was a military shrink and a muslim.

So you've done it again. Took the complex and reduced it to BS. Were you old enough to vote for bush because you'd make a great minion.

@tubbyscubby,

I know you'll probably react to this suggestion so predictably like the hardened Taurus you are, but:

-ever watch the documentary, "Loose Change"? Whether you grant currency to those who question the official 9/11 series of events or not, I think you should watch it. And try to answer the serious questions it raises.

Many people appear to give *way too much* credit to a bunch of ragtag psuedoMuslim extremists. The way things happened on that fateful morning in downtown New York, was very well orchestrated and well planned. Not exactly the kind of thing you expect from run of the mill suicide bombers and hijackers.

Let's also not forget that CNN, within hours of 9/11, began airing footage of cheering Palestinians, and then quickly panned back to the burning Twin Towers. Later on, they officially acknowledged the footage was OLD. Gee, I wonder what would make them do that?

Yellow journalism, or is there a more sinister agenda at work in this battle for hearts and minds waged by the media, on us?

And to get back to the original point tubby, there are widely varying figures on the death count of Muslims/Muslim-Americans from September 11. Some range in the hundreds. Does their blood matter to you, is it as sacred as the white-American blood you claim to respect? If it isn't, why not? Or is this "retarded idealism" again?

@ tubbyscubby,

I'm curious, exactly what kind of a Christian are you? what's your denomination, assuming you adhere to one?

The kind of invective you launch against Jews and Muslims, calling their faith "bastard" and the like, is its own irreligious extremism. Another irony that's lost on you.

Have you ever read this verse of the Qur'an, tubby?

"And you will find those who are closest to you, to be among the Christians. This is because amongst them are priests, and they are not proud" - holy Qur'an

You have displayed arrogance in this entire thread. Ask yourself - what kind of a Christian are you? Or are you just a confused agnostic who had a Muslim ex-boyfriend you're still not getting over?

Posted by ScorpDragon

Many people appear to give *way too much* credit to a bunch of ragtag psuedoMuslim extremists. The way things happened on that fateful morning in downtown New York, was very well orchestrated and well planned. Not exactly the kind of thing you expect from run of the mill suicide bombers and hijackers.

Thank youuuu. gawd

Posted by brianafay
So this:

Posted by tubbyscubby

Muslims in America deserve scrutiny

was absolutely unfounded. & is the type of mindset that promotes prejudice.

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You're delusional.

Are you even aware of the first attempts to topple the WTC?

Hijackings in the 80's?

That whole hostage thing during the olympics?

They don't get a pass. Sometimes prejudice is justified. if a crackhead walks by me on the street I'd clutch my purse if I carried one.

It sucks to be a minority and I find it amazing that your hypocritical ass is defending the motivations of murderers given your fucked up regard for racial minorities in your very own country.

Posted by tubbyscubby

Posted by brianafay
So this:

Posted by tubbyscubby

Muslims in America deserve scrutiny

was absolutely unfounded. & is the type of mindset that promotes prejudice.

You're delusional.

Are you even aware of the first attempts to topple the WTC?

Hijackings in the 80's?

That whole hostage thing during the olympics?

They don't get a pass. Sometimes prejudice is justified. if a crackhead walks by me on the street I'd clutch my purse if I carried one.

It sucks to be a minority and I find it amazing that your hypocritical ass is defending the motivations of murderers given your fucked up regard for racial minorities in your very own country.

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Lol please use logic when you read things online.

& what fucked up regard for minorities are you referring to?

Serious question because I'm really interested and not trying to be a smart ass...who do you think was behind these attacks? What country were they from/what group/what religion?

I would like to be clear.

Dragon, I'm totally not reading any of your posts. Go back and direct others who expressed a view opposing your own. I'm sick of you people making my posts about refuting me while ignoring the extreme views of others. So your next post needs to be "@" someone other than meand ill go back over what you wrote. If not, you're wasting your time cause I've yet to read anything but @ and my name.

Muslim extremists? That's it.?

I didn't direct anything I first wrote to you. You responded, so since I've been conversing with you.


? :/ I didn't target you out at all.

^direct your posts

Lol obviously I was talking to you stop being an asshole

You're always so difficult and you really don't have to be. Very defensive :/

I'm interested in your viewpoint, I'm not looking to change your mind about anything or convince you I'm right.
You don't have to take it like I'm attacking you

@tubbyscubby,

Do you even live in New York? Quit hounding brianafay with distraction tactics.

FYI, I was close to the World Trade Center during the February 1993 bomb blast there. I heard it, and I felt it. And I've never seen more police activity, and more helicopters in a given square mile, than I did that evening.

And that incident does not make me hate Muslims. When David Koresh had his Waco scare during the same period of the 1990s, I didn't conflate that incident in my head to think the government should strip-search and inspect all fringe christian groups in the southern/rural US, either.

If anyone's being irrational, illogical and emotive, it is YOU. But we already know you have an axe to grind with Muslims.

I'm still waiting on you to answer the question, tubbyscubby.

Are you a Christian? Yes or no.
Do you have a denomination? Yes or no.
How often do you go to church? Which church do you attend?

We eagerly await your response.

Hey btw, did you know the FBI concluded that the FT Hood shooter did not act out of radical religious reasons? While more than half of America believed it was a terrorist attack, he was actually just suffering and was deeply disturbed - he did not want to be deployed.

Considering the media would have us believe everyone who is Muslim is a terrorist, I found it interesting the FBI actually came out and said they did not believe this was the case. *shrugs* However, no one bothered to read that report I guess, since people still believe what they do.

Posted by brianafay
Serious question because I'm really interested and not trying to be a smart ass...who do you think was behind these attacks? What country were they from/what group/what religion?

I would like to be clear.

Dude, if you want to know their sun signs, google. Who do you think was behind the attacks? I swear if you say the US government go fuck yourself.

Thus bleeding heart bullshit. Leave it to the likes of you to defend "them" but when asked about disenfranchised minorities you spout from the "reverse racism" handbook.

Look, just because the majority in a faith are good people does not mean you ignore the crazies. The crazies have viewpoints n justifications, perspectives... "Crazy" after all is relative.

Frankly, if a little more scrutiny had be utilized with respect to christianity for example, I doubt if it'd have the influence it has today. Those people who burned witches...christian.

Branded people heretics...christian.

Subjugated billions to "save souls" via missionary work...christian.

Molesting boys...christian.

Flew two planes into buildings in ny...muslim.

They don't stop being muslim simply because you've watched a lil too much michael moore.

Posted by tubbyscubby

Posted by brianafay
Serious question because I'm really interested and not trying to be a smart ass...who do you think was behind these attacks? What country were they from/what group/what religion?

I would like to be clear.

Dude, if you want to know their sun signs, google. Who do you think was behind the attacks? I swear if you say the US government go fuck yourself.

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I was asking you. I wasn't suggesting anything. & I don't think the American government is behind it

& I don't even know who Michael Moore is tbh.


Maybe that's dumb?

Stop assuming things about me. It's really getting you no where

And frankly, the majority of americans do not believe that all muslims are terrorists...just like all whites don't believe black folk are niggers.

Your assume that you know what other people think and you base your assumptions on what? What you see on tv? You don't even get that you're no better than "them.". In fact, you are "them."

Why not? You're assuming things. See what happens when YOU assume? Sucks dunnit?

Posted by tubbyscubby

Your assume that you know what other people think and you base your assumptions on what? What you see on tv? You don't even get that you're no better than "them.". In fact, you are "them."

First of all I don't watch the news. It gives me indigestion. So I base my assumptions off of very common patterns and speaking with people. I know what people are thinking. I am surrounded by very opinionated people all day.

Now, obviously, I understand my perspective is limited to a small geographic area - but I know where these people get their ideas from, so YES I am going to assume they are not the only ones.


Where are you getting your assumptions from...are you not "them" too?
You're playing stupid games now & avoiding the point.

I'm done. I was trying to understand where you are coming from...but all you're doing is talking in circles, playing little word games and getting defensive.



Nice chat at first though. 🙂
I guess you've exhausted yourself

Toods. Enjoy your day Tubbs.
Now that I know you work with old people, makes sense, I have a little more respect for you now. I can relate

You don't pay attention to news?

Posted by brianafay
Hey btw, did you know the FBI concluded that the FT Hood shooter did not act out of radical religious reasons? While more than half of America believed it was a terrorist attack, he was actually just suffering and was deeply disturbed - he did not want to be deployed.

Considering the media would have us believe everyone who is Muslim is a terrorist, I found it interesting the FBI actually came out and said they did not believe this was the case. *shrugs* However, no one bothered to read that report I guess, since people still believe what they do.

I guess you were referring to the comic section because you are toooooo funny!

So what you're saying is, your depth of knowledge comes from everyday people? Given 1 out of 4 americans think our president was born outside the US, no wonder you sound so foolish. You get your political views from Bubba n dem.

Wow, youth...

I enjoyed this exercise in futility. You still suck. Ciao!

Posted by tubbyscubby
You don't pay attention to news?

Posted by brianafay
Hey btw, did you know the FBI concluded that the FT Hood shooter did not act out of radical religious reasons? While more than half of America believed it was a terrorist attack, he was actually just suffering and was deeply disturbed - he did not want to be deployed.

Considering the media would have us believe everyone who is Muslim is a terrorist, I found it interesting the FBI actually came out and said they did not believe this was the case. *shrugs* However, no one bothered to read that report I guess, since people still believe what they do.

I guess you were referring to the comic section because you are toooooo funny!

So what you're saying is, your depth of knowledge comes from everyday people? Given 1 out of 4 americans think our president was born outside the US, no wonder you sound so foolish. You get your political views from Bubba n dem.

Wow, youth...

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Obviously I have watched the news before. You're getting ridiculous now and really grasping. :/
I don't watch the news on the regular, as you assumed I did, when you claimed I watch too much TV.

& I never claimed to have deep knowledge. BUT I do know the media puts out false information and dramatizes. While my Libra was in Iraq, I talked to him almost everyday. The news really blew everything out of proportion and picked and chose what to broadcast.

You were right, being in the military does not make you an expert on the matter, but it gives you more perspective than the average American sitting at home watching the bullshit the media passes us.