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Well 1st, let's define double standard. You guys may have made up your own definitions, but I'm following the original definition as made clear by a dictionary.
A double standard is: any code or set of principles containing different provisions for one group of people than for another, especially an unwritten code of sexual behavior permitting men more freedom than women. Also, an ethical or moral code that applies more strictly to one group than to another
Given the technical definition, anyone excusing themselves from a certain set of principle while not allowing others the same freedom or choices without judgement IS a double standard.
If a man feels that he's allowed to do/say something, but judges those who do the same, that IS a double standard. Doesn't mean you have to agree or disagree with the fact that the double standard is fair or unfair. Hell, some of you only justify double standards b/c you yourself are full of them.
However, if we're going to get technical, the examples I listed are double standards.
Well 1st, let's define double standard. You guys may have made up your own definitions, but I'm following the original definition as made clear by a dictionary.
A double standard is: any code or set of principles containing different provisions for one group of people than for another, especially an unwritten code of sexual behavior permitting men more freedom than women. Also, an ethical or moral code that applies more strictly to one group than to another
Given the technical definition, anyone excusing themselves from a certain set of principle while not allowing others the same freedom or choices without judgement IS a double standard.
If a man feels that he's allowed to do/say something, but judges those who do the same, that IS a double standard. Doesn't mean you have to agree or disagree with the fact that the double standard is fair or unfair. Hell, some of you only justify double standards b/c you yourself are full of them.
However, if we're going to get technical, the examples I listed are double standards.
Posted by size zero superheroPosted by CapTenn
Men seem to accept these facts, and why a growing majority of women cannot is a head scratcher. It's equivalent to pissing in the wind.
LOL a head-scratcher? You can't seem to wrap your mind around the fact, no matter how many times it's reiterated: women have the short end of the stick, and men have the benefit of the doubt at our expense in most arenas where double-standards are concerned.
Then, you took the discussion into a non-sequitur by pointing out that men are not women and women are not men. LMAO. Nice try. But you've proven yourself incapable of making logical distinctions because that's not the argument at all. Blinded by privilege.click to expand
Well hell! Throw yourself a pity party then. Piss and moan about it, by all means. Fight tooth and nail over the tiniest of straws (like it's not fair that you can't bang 100 guys and get a pat on the back for your efforts).
You keep thinking in micro-terms, and I'll continue thinking in macro-terms. (A logical reason why men get the benefit of the doubt over women as you say, and will continue to).
Good luck climbing the hill that cannot be climbed.
Posted by krysrenee7
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Well 1st, let's define double standard. You guys may have made up your own definitions, but I'm following the original definition as made clear by a dictionary.
A double standard is: any code or set of principles containing different provisions for one group of people than for another, especially an unwritten code of sexual behavior permitting men more freedom than women. Also, an ethical or moral code that applies more strictly to one group than to another
Given the technical definition, anyone excusing themselves from a certain set of principle while not allowing others the same freedom or choices without judgement IS a double standard.
If a man feels that he's allowed to do/say something, but judges those who do the same, that IS a double standard. Doesn't mean you have to agree or disagree with the fact that the double standard is fair or unfair. Hell, some of you only justify double standards b/c you yourself are full of them.
However, if we're going to get technical, the examples I listed are double standards.
I can take my shirt off in public and you can't......na-nana-boo-boo
Posted by size zero superheroPosted by CapTennPosted by size zero superheroPosted by CapTenn
Men seem to accept these facts, and why a growing majority of women cannot is a head scratcher. It's equivalent to pissing in the wind.
LOL a head-scratcher? You can't seem to wrap your mind around the fact, no matter how many times it's reiterated: women have the short end of the stick, and men have the benefit of the doubt at our expense in most arenas where double-standards are concerned.
Then, you took the discussion into a non-sequitur by pointing out that men are not women and women are not men. LMAO. Nice try. But you've proven yourself incapable of making logical distinctions because that's not the argument at all. Blinded by privilege.
Well hell! Throw yourself a pity party then. Piss and moan about it, by all means. Fight tooth and nail over the tiniest of straws (like it's not fair that you can't bang 100 guys and get a pat on the back for your efforts).
You keep thinking in micro-terms, and I'll continue thinking in macro-terms. (A logical reason why men get the benefit of the doubt over women as you say, and will continue to).
Good luck climbing the hill that cannot be climbed.
You don't think American Blacks were told "you'll never be able to legally marry, run for president or attain equal rights to that of a White man"?
Or, "women will NEVER get voting rights?"
People like you, with your mindset, are & have always been the obstacle. Those who disagree, those capable of critical thinking aren't the least bit convinced & won't give up the fight because people like you are afraid that equity would mean forfeiting some of your rights--well, more like you wouldn't have the upper hand anymore, a scary thought for those who are used to it being handed to them by sheer virtue of the genitalia they were born with.
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*cue violin*
What you want is equal outcomes, not equal opportunity.
Never happening. But, good luck in your quest. 😉
@CapTenn
Honestly, I avoid the Clooney types for relationships *because* I figure they have a long list of conquests. Ick. Ack. Yuck. It's such a turn-off to me, that it cancels everything out, and I can't take them seriously.
When I was single, and if a stud WASPy type asked me out... Well, if he was at least genuine-seeming and gentlemanly, I'd just politely decline. But if he was all cocky, sleazy and blatantly playerlike, I would say yes. If the date panned out, I'd get a free expensive dinner, the most expensive cocktail on the menu, arm candy, riding around in a luxury car, and then before they could even try for a kiss, I'd ask them to drop me off home and not give a damn if they call me again or not.
A guy with a long list is tainted IMO...comical figures not to be taken seriously. Probably why I've never had any celebrity crushes. All the guys I've fallen for (two in total, lol) were innocent, bookish family-oriented types. Socially awkward with unique hobbies (my Aqua ex loved bug collecting), but loving, reliable and devoted.
Tl; dr version:
Not all women are attracted to the Clooney types.
Honestly, I avoid the Clooney types for relationships *because* I figure they have a long list of conquests. Ick. Ack. Yuck. It's such a turn-off to me, that it cancels everything out, and I can't take them seriously.
When I was single, and if a stud WASPy type asked me out... Well, if he was at least genuine-seeming and gentlemanly, I'd just politely decline. But if he was all cocky, sleazy and blatantly playerlike, I would say yes. If the date panned out, I'd get a free expensive dinner, the most expensive cocktail on the menu, arm candy, riding around in a luxury car, and then before they could even try for a kiss, I'd ask them to drop me off home and not give a damn if they call me again or not.
A guy with a long list is tainted IMO...comical figures not to be taken seriously. Probably why I've never had any celebrity crushes. All the guys I've fallen for (two in total, lol) were innocent, bookish family-oriented types. Socially awkward with unique hobbies (my Aqua ex loved bug collecting), but loving, reliable and devoted.
Tl; dr version:
Not all women are attracted to the Clooney types.
Posted by size zero superhero
LOL nobody with two brain cells to rub together could be swayed by your dismissive, self-righteous argument.
My opposition has nothing to do with hating women or men, nor people...and everything to do with hating a certain old-fashioned, limited, anti-intellectual, and judgmental approach to life
Nobody with 2 brain cells would even make your argument, but you have a lot of like-minded allies these days. 😉
Keep being a bitter, hateful, feminazi. It's not going to help your desire for an equal outcome utopia.
Now, go iron a shirt or something ............
@Supersize: I agree.
My response was to those who were confusing the real definition of a double standard. Saying "I can do this, but you can't" is a double standard.
I've never agreed that women should be able to hit men & get away with it just b/c she's the "smaller sex." Hell, some of these guys are scrawny lol Domestic violence is wrong no matter how you slice it. It's not worth going to jail, losing your relationship, or losing your self-control over. It's especially not worth putting yourself in a situation to have a bunch of charges on your record that may or may not prevent you from many great opportunities.
Other double standards:
-Prison guards can be disrespectful, treat prisoners in inhumane ways & abuse them, but God forbid a prisoner show some aggression. Suddenly that prisoner is a "monster."
-If a guy doesn't wanna settle down or have kids while he's young, he's patted on the back & told that his refusal to commit is somehow connected to his natural "manhood." However, if a woman isn't looking to settle down, get married or ever have children (young or not), suddenly people assume something is wrong with her.
-A guy smokes & cusses like a sailor but swears he's turned off by women who do the same.
-African Americans make less cents on the dollar vs. white men, even if the black male/female has the same skills or education as the white man. Double standard.
-Guys should be able to invest in "enhancements" (cough: viagra & steroids) but if a woman puts a weave in her hair or wants bigger breasts, she's criticized for not being "natural" enough & for not embracing her "real/natural" body. Oh please. Your peen may not naturally work half the time but you don't want anyone judging you for taking viagra. But if a woman has bald spots, she better not get a weave! If a woman's tits sag, she better not dare get breast implants.
DOUBLE STANDARD! DOUBLE STANDARD!
My response was to those who were confusing the real definition of a double standard. Saying "I can do this, but you can't" is a double standard.
I've never agreed that women should be able to hit men & get away with it just b/c she's the "smaller sex." Hell, some of these guys are scrawny lol Domestic violence is wrong no matter how you slice it. It's not worth going to jail, losing your relationship, or losing your self-control over. It's especially not worth putting yourself in a situation to have a bunch of charges on your record that may or may not prevent you from many great opportunities.
Other double standards:
-Prison guards can be disrespectful, treat prisoners in inhumane ways & abuse them, but God forbid a prisoner show some aggression. Suddenly that prisoner is a "monster."
-If a guy doesn't wanna settle down or have kids while he's young, he's patted on the back & told that his refusal to commit is somehow connected to his natural "manhood." However, if a woman isn't looking to settle down, get married or ever have children (young or not), suddenly people assume something is wrong with her.
-A guy smokes & cusses like a sailor but swears he's turned off by women who do the same.
-African Americans make less cents on the dollar vs. white men, even if the black male/female has the same skills or education as the white man. Double standard.
-Guys should be able to invest in "enhancements" (cough: viagra & steroids) but if a woman puts a weave in her hair or wants bigger breasts, she's criticized for not being "natural" enough & for not embracing her "real/natural" body. Oh please. Your peen may not naturally work half the time but you don't want anyone judging you for taking viagra. But if a woman has bald spots, she better not get a weave! If a woman's tits sag, she better not dare get breast implants.
DOUBLE STANDARD! DOUBLE STANDARD!
Posted by size zero superheroPosted by CapTennPosted by size zero superhero
LOL nobody with two brain cells to rub together could be swayed by your dismissive, self-righteous argument.
My opposition has nothing to do with hating women or men, nor people...and everything to do with hating a certain old-fashioned, limited, anti-intellectual, and judgmental approach to life
Nobody with 2 brain cells would even make your argument, but you have a lot of like-minded allies these days. 😉
Keep being a bitter, hateful, feminazi. It's not going to help your desire for an equal outcome utopia.
Now, go iron a shirt or something ............
If nothing else at least the monumental ignorance characterized by your response, is mostly contained within the Bible Belt and "flyover states". Your weak attempt at domestic wisecracks & sanctimonious hostility just reinforce the notion that right-wingers = angst ridden 13-year old boys trapped in khaki-clad grown mens' bodies.
Demonstrating integrity and refusing to be servile renders me a feminazi? So be it. Sure beats the alternative. Speaking of which, your equally-yoked churchfrau counterparts will always be there to iron the wrinkles in the khakis & make yet another casserole with Campbell's soup & those horrid crunchy onions on top.
And one might ask; why is your antiquated state of mind & particularly the corresponding political leanings which it is interwoven...self-destructing at record-speed as of late?
Cultural & social values will continue to evolve with OR without you and said changes are already well underway.
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How refreshing......emotion based liberal drivel! How original......like the teacher on Peanuts. "Wawawawa, wawawawa, wawawawa."
Make me a sammich, and save the incessant whining for your girlfriends.
I'll be cleaning my guns. Hustle along now. I'm hungry.
Posted by CapTenn
How refreshing......emotion based liberal drivel! How original......like the teacher on Peanuts. "Wawawawa, wawawawa, wawawawa."
Make me a sammich, and save the incessant whining for your girlfriends.
I'll be cleaning my guns. Hustle along now. I'm hungry.
I bet we could sit at a lakeside tiki bar @ happy hour and shoot the breeze for hours while finishing each other sentences! 🙂 I have to ask you (I ask my male friends this a lot)..how do you handle women like this in person? Do you just lay it all out there like you just did here? I sure hope so, men like you NEED to be heard loud and clear! I feel sorry for men that have to endure the bra burning hypocrites or end up in a relationship with one and find out this side of them after a few months or so left with nothing but hen peck marks in the side of their heads! Anyway...thanks for the refreshing view. Always nice to know there's others out there who refuse to be told to THINK and ACT according to societal standards. 😉
Posted by LetltBPosted by CapTenn
How refreshing......emotion based liberal drivel! How original......like the teacher on Peanuts. "Wawawawa, wawawawa, wawawawa."
Make me a sammich, and save the incessant whining for your girlfriends.
I'll be cleaning my guns. Hustle along now. I'm hungry.
I bet we could sit at a lakeside tiki bar @ happy hour and shoot the breeze for hours while finishing each other sentences! 🙂 I have to ask you (I ask my male friends this a lot)..how do you handle women like this in person? Do you just lay it all out there like you just did here? I sure hope so, men like you NEED to be heard loud and clear! I feel sorry for men that have to endure the bra burning hypocrites or end up in a relationship with one and find out this side of them after a few months or so left with nothing but hen peck marks in the side of their heads! Anyway...thanks for the refreshing view. Always nice to know there's others out there who refuse to be told to THINK and ACT according to societal standards. 😉click to expand
Indeed we could, LIB. I'm flattered that you are enjoying my work, as I've been admiring yours for a while now. Give'em hell....
And, yes, I've never been short on words, and enjoy a little heated debate face to face, mano-e-feminazi. Of course -- I get branded a male chauvinist asshole, but I welcome it. These wretched little men haters are a nasty lot, until you get down in the mud with them. They usually end up with mascara smeared all over their faces, and tears streaming when I get finished turning them over my knee.
These young ones have grown up in a society where they have talked bad to men all their lives (there's an abundance on this site), and when confronted with a dose of their own venom, they ball up into the fetal position and play the victim real quick.
A classic case of "dish it out, but can't take it".
Society can kiss my ass..........
man hater tears...
What really bends my underwires is I have to deal with the men who have dealt with these kind of women. Once they realize I'm safe, all is good. It's insulting to me that I have to be tested first though, and at the same time, I don't blame the men for having to be this way.
For just once I wish women would open their eyes..grow up and realize not having a penis isn't so bad.
For just once I wish women would open their eyes..grow up and realize not having a penis isn't so bad.
One double standard that seems bass-ackward:
Why are skirts and dresses ok for women but not men?
If anything, it makes more sense for it to be the other way around. Pants squish a man's junk, whereas with skirts it would be less constrained. Plus, it keeps them cooler in the heat, and they get warmer easier than women. And a long loose skirt has more room to hide spontaneous woodies. lol lol
Women get colder more easily, so pants are better. Plus, it's safer than wearing a skirt because they're slightly less vulnerable, and can run easier in pants.
Just a thought. 😆
Why are skirts and dresses ok for women but not men?
If anything, it makes more sense for it to be the other way around. Pants squish a man's junk, whereas with skirts it would be less constrained. Plus, it keeps them cooler in the heat, and they get warmer easier than women. And a long loose skirt has more room to hide spontaneous woodies. lol lol
Women get colder more easily, so pants are better. Plus, it's safer than wearing a skirt because they're slightly less vulnerable, and can run easier in pants.
Just a thought. 😆
Also...
Why don't women's pants or jackets ever have pockets— They always have fraud pockets...it looks like there are pockets, but it doesn't. Just stitched illusions of pockets!
Aren't women the ones who need storage for all their lip gloss and crap? 😐 Or at least a wallet and my keys.
But I bet it's a conspiracy scam to require women to buy purses! >😢
Why don't women's pants or jackets ever have pockets— They always have fraud pockets...it looks like there are pockets, but it doesn't. Just stitched illusions of pockets!
Aren't women the ones who need storage for all their lip gloss and crap? 😐 Or at least a wallet and my keys.
But I bet it's a conspiracy scam to require women to buy purses! >😢
Posted by size zero superhero
Emotionally-charged blithering? That's more like, resorting to played out misogynist catch-phrases, knowing full well you sorely lack the cognitive capacity to formulate a complete, original & rational counter-argument.
Bonus points: jumping on the defense over imaginary gun ownership persecution. In reality nobody in this thread condemned firearms, not even close. Or, did you drop that random bit to subtly try and assert your precious sense of masculinity? LMAO. Nobody's impressed nor intimidated by however many phallic replacements you possess--speaking as a proponent of the right to own firearms.
Snot-nosed sniveling? You like that better?
You are boring, predictable, and unoriginal.
So, when exactly are you having that sex change operation? That's more interesting to me. Self-hatred, ya know?
Well, off to my little ole grandma's house to trim some bushes and trees. I love her and she loves me! She's a lady. You should give a try, someone might actually like you.
Posted by LetltB
What really bends my underwires is I have to deal with the men who have dealt with these kind of women. Once they realize I'm safe, all is good. It's insulting to me that I have to be tested first though, and at the same time, I don't blame the men for having to be this way.
For just once I wish women would open their eyes..grow up and realize not having a penis isn't so bad.
Yeah, hard to blame them really. That's not my style though. I go straight for the jugular, no holds barred. I like to know if I should invest any time, and don't pussyfoot around. Usually, I save a lot of time that way, despite the chameleon game the super size zero types play. I can smell them a mile away.
I find it interesting that the majority of people justifying double standards are the 1st to be annoyed or angered when someone discriminates on them or when someone hurls double standards at them.
*Guy expects your sexual #s to be lower than his. Proceeds to meet woman who thinks his #s are too high, which she implies make him a bad or not worthy enough guy. Guy proceeds to question why a woman would judge him based on his #s alone. Hmm, perhaps he should be asking himself that very same question, considering he was the 1st to follow & endorse that double standard to begin with.
Just an example *shrugs
*Guy expects your sexual #s to be lower than his. Proceeds to meet woman who thinks his #s are too high, which she implies make him a bad or not worthy enough guy. Guy proceeds to question why a woman would judge him based on his #s alone. Hmm, perhaps he should be asking himself that very same question, considering he was the 1st to follow & endorse that double standard to begin with.
Just an example *shrugs
Posted by krysrenee7
I find it interesting that the majority of people justifying double standards are the 1st to be annoyed or angered when someone discriminates on them or when someone hurls double standards at them.
*Guy expects your sexual #s to be lower than his. Proceeds to meet woman who thinks his #s are too high, which she implies make him a bad or not worthy enough guy. Guy proceeds to question why a woman would judge him based on his #s alone. Hmm, perhaps he should be asking himself that very same question, considering he was the 1st to follow & endorse that double standard to begin with.
Just an example *shrugs
I know right. Crazy stuff.
It's like when my lady significant other and I are at home at night, and a burglar breaks in wielding a gun or a knife, and she expects me to defend the domicile while she hides in the closet, as I risk life and limb against the psycho that broke into the house. Shit, why can't I hide while she gets stabbed or shot.
Or, when her car is broke down on the side of the road, and she calls me to come fix it. I mean WTF! Why can't she get her toolbox out of the trunk and get busy crawling under the car and turning wrenches. What do I look like, a mechanic?
Don't even get me started on the lifting heavy stuff, and the stuck pickle jars.
Life's so not fair!!!
Posted by notyourtype
"If you want to test a man's character, give him power." — Abraham Lincoln
Just because he can, doesn't mean he should, but it's apparent we'll never reach an agreement about this. Men like Clooney are no prize in my eyes; I don't define a man's worth solely by how handsome + rich + powerful he is. When a man takes advantage of those "opportunities", I find that it reduces his overall quality and appeal. Men who have had sexual relations with lots of women may not have enough self-discipline to be a good husband in the long run. I could be wrong, of course, but his track records suggests otherwise and it's not something I think should be discounted.
Also, a truly high-quality woman is just as rare as a rich/handsome/powerful man. So if that man goes through women like borrowed clothes, it's hard for me to believe that a majority of those women are actually top notch.
Who is saying anything about materialism? What does that have to do with double standards and women who think they can be a man? For the record...Clooney married and had a child with a dim wit model twenty years ago. She burned him for the mighty dollar (which is what CapTenn brought up), and Clooney decided to not make that mistake again. Instead..he lived life and when he wanted to get laid, he had more dim wits waiting in line giving their goods up on a silver platter with the same inclination as his ex-wife. He took advantage of it. For the record...he found an "A" and proposed to her..not only is she gorgeous, she has a brain..every scorned woman's nightmare. Go figure...
George Clooney finally meets his match with human rights lawyer Amal Alamuddin
She's an Oxford-educated beauty who has represented Wikileaks founder Julian Assange and former Ukraine Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko
The fiancee at the center of it all is Amal Alamuddin, who graduated with honors from Oxford and New York University law school, has represented WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and former Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko and given legal advice to former U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan and the King of Bahrain.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/george-clooney-hitched-lawyer-amal-alamuddin-article-1.1772111#ixzz31DDiO23t<BR>
Posted by size zero superhero
I love how George Clooney, out of all people, was namedropped as an exemplification of a chronic womanizer. Really, the only other a-list male celebrity that's been as severely plagued by gay rumors throughout his film career is John Travolta(maybe Tom Cruise, too). LOL.
Don't try to say that can't be so because GC just got engaged. He has a lot of people banking on his career/success & publicly announcing he's gay = jeopardizing his chances of landing lead roles. If proposing to a woman is proof of heterosexuality, by that reasoning, Clay Aiken is 100% straight because he has a biological child.
Just sayin' 😉
example of every scorned woman..^^^^
There are double standards everywhere in every aspect of life: religion, career, homelife, crime, children, etc.
However this is the RELATIONSHIP thread, hence the reason I asked you guys to discuss the common double standards you may face in RELATIONSHIPS! lol
How we got on the topic of past presidents, the Romans & men wearing skirts is beyond me lol
However this is the RELATIONSHIP thread, hence the reason I asked you guys to discuss the common double standards you may face in RELATIONSHIPS! lol
How we got on the topic of past presidents, the Romans & men wearing skirts is beyond me lol
Posted by size zero superheroPosted by munchkin
One double standard that seems bass-ackward:
Why are skirts and dresses ok for women but not men?
If anything, it makes more sense for it to be the other way around. Pants squish a man's junk, whereas with skirts it would be less constrained. Plus, it keeps them cooler in the heat, and they get warmer easier than women. And a long loose skirt has more room to hide spontaneous woodies. lol lol
Women get colder more easily, so pants are better. Plus, it's safer than wearing a skirt because they're slightly less vulnerable, and can run easier in pants.
Just a thought. 😆
Modern-day men may opt to wear caftans, kilts, robes & other cultural garments equivalent with the format of a dress or skirt. The practice is socially-acceptable & said attire is largely worn by residents of year-round hot climates(deserts, in close proximity to the equator etc). Needless to say, you don't see too much of that in the modern Western world outside of drag shows.
Conversely, from a historic perspective, if you observe 17-19th century European art, you'll notice many paintings display red-lipped, rosy-cheeked men wearing high-heeled boots with flowing, curly hair style s/wigs & tights.
Such attire wasn't out of the ordinary for males, with the exception of lower-class citizens or field laborers who couldn't afford luxurious hairpieces & fine velveteen clothing. Several ancient Asian art pieces also depict men with long hair & silk robes & the Romans/Greeks wore dress-like togas.
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Yes! Many cultures have/do see the logic! But the US has yet to catch up. 😛
Posted by tizianiPosted by munchkin
Also...
Why don't women's pants or jackets ever have pockets— They always have fraud pockets...it looks like there are pockets, but it doesn't. Just stitched illusions of pockets!
Aren't women the ones who need storage for all their lip gloss and crap? 😐 Or at least a wallet and my keys.
But I bet it's a conspiracy scam to require women to buy purses! >😢
This is actually the most interesting thought I've stumbled upon this week, maybe even month, for personal reasons.
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lol! Well if you ponder it and figure out the reason, I'd love to know!
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