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For someone to not know how to be in a relationship?
Yes, for a variety of reasons. The odds are higher that this happens because you're not dating someone who is on par with you on simillar behavior, aka a mismatch (royal you)

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Is it possible to be *too independent*?
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Yes, but it's more likely to become estranged, and alien to partnership in general, not necessarily too independent. People will find a way to incorporate the partner in their lives and understand the dynamics. If that doesn't happen, again a mismatch.

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Yes. Even on campus, when someone tries to sit with me, I am essentially sitting alone because I'm just like šŸ˜•. And then I put on my headphones and watch my documentaries.

I attempted to "go out" with a guy, and it was the strangest thing - kind of like when you are trying to slow dance, but you keep stepping on the other person's toes because you are so used to just wildly dancing Gangnam style alone in the middle of your living room. There was one point during our time out together where I opened the door when he wanted to, and then I let the door shut and kind of did this awkward side step to allow him to open it for me, and then I thanked him. Hugs are the WORST. Why do people insist on it as a greeting? What ever happened to hand waves? Guys ALWAYS say "that has got to be the weirdest and most awkward hug I have ever had!" And then they laugh. I don't like hugs that I don't initiate.

Walking side-by-side is also tricky because I tend to walk briskly, and I had to consciously remind myself to slow down. The hardest part? Having focus being put on me. I am very awkward. When men compliment me, I remember to say "thank you," but I always get the feeling as though I sound like we are making a business transaction because I have this tone in my voice that is like "I will accept your compliment and not deny that there is truth to what you say." This is a step up from my usual reaction which was to get offended (don't ask.) I remember to text thanking the guy for his time and telling him I enjoyed myself but, again, I don't know if that's weird and business transaction-y.

I then kind of don't want to be bothered for a while, and that may ruin any chances of anything building because I am aware it disrupts momentum. I hate the initial phase of constant texts and calls. It's too overwhelming. I also don't like to be touched, so hand holding is an anxiety filled moment as there is no real nice way to say 'no.' I also don't like my things touched, so when we lunch and he adjusts my cup, it bothers me. I generally like being the one to give than to receive, but the catch is: I only like to give when it's my idea. If a guy asks me to pay, I don't mind, but a small part inside of me feels repulsed and I cannot help it, but I feel as though I lost respect - as though he has relinquished power to me and my paying for his slushie and lunch has somehow created a bizarre shift in power. But then, I love getting people things, and it makes me happy because I feel I always find the perfect gift.

Good grief.
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@OP, I think with time, you will learn to tango. Has your independence created any friction?

From my observations, I think allowing a man to do little things for you is important. A co-worker injured her leg, her husband came to see her at work and offered to carry all of her bags, "I got it." She proceeded to hobble out while carrying all of her things. Her husband looked deflated and just followed her out.
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Posted by Andalusia
For someone to not know how to be in a relationship?
Yes, for a variety of reasons. The odds are higher that this happens because you're not dating someone who is on par with you on simillar behavior, aka a mismatch (royal you)

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Is it possible to be *too independent*?
Yes, but it's more likely to become estranged, and alien to partnership in general, not necessarily too independent. People will find a way to incorporate the partner in their lives and understand the dynamics. If that doesn't happen, again a mismatch.
A mix of this and what Twodrinks said for us.

Been a long time since either of us were in a real relationship, but it helps that compatibility's off the charts. Nothing feels forced. So many people that come here for relationship advice are trying to put a square peg in a round hole.
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I think it's "easier" if both parties are relationship "rusty."
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Sounds to me like you need healing.
How so?
#justbeingasmartass
#not buying it

You have something on your mind grapes. It's just either not fully formed yet or too problematic to type out right now.
Think he was just channeling Heartonmysleevesag's thread.
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Whodatbe?
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My Aqua doesn't know how. I have to tell him in explicit detail..."when we go to sleep at night it's kind of customary to give each other a good night kiss and say goodnight instead of just falling asleep without speaking"

I'll write a book later entitled "Teaching air signs to emote"

what the fuck—


my husband has LACK OF AIR, and he doesn't do this.

if he has to "Customary" do the kissing and goodnite thing every single night because he has to.....it's robotic.

if he's tired as hell i dont expect anything out of him but he does expect me to be by his side every freaking night and he loves the cuddles.
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My Aqua doesn't know how. I have to tell him in explicit detail..."when we go to sleep at night it's kind of customary to give each other a good night kiss and say goodnight instead of just falling asleep without speaking"

I'll write a book later entitled "Teaching air signs to emote"

what the fuck—


my husband has LACK OF AIR, and he doesn't do this.

if he has to "Customary" do the kissing and goodnite thing every single night because he has to.....it's robotic.

if he's tired as hell i dont expect anything out of him but he does expect me to be by his side every freaking night and he loves the cuddles.
Congrats
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i do forget at times, well alot of times that ALOT of couples out there NEED "rules".

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My Aqua doesn't know how. I have to tell him in explicit detail..."when we go to sleep at night it's kind of customary to give each other a good night kiss and say goodnight instead of just falling asleep without speaking"

I'll write a book later entitled "Teaching air signs to emote"

what the fuck—


my husband has LACK OF AIR, and he doesn't do this.

if he has to "Customary" do the kissing and goodnite thing every single night because he has to.....it's robotic.

if he's tired as hell i dont expect anything out of him but he does expect me to be by his side every freaking night and he loves the cuddles.
Congrats
i do forget at times, well alot of times that ALOT of couples out there NEED "rules".
There are no rules and I was being facetious. I don't recite what is customary to him. I just tell him to give me a kiss.

Arguing/debating with you is like debating with my Aqua...you're almost completely oblivious to your own behaviors and then counterattack instead of trying to understand/empathize the other persons point of view at all. It's extremely annoying and one of the traits of Aqua that grates my nerves.
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so weird. but isn't that what you were doing when you posted it the first time?? you just ASSUME all of them are like that. I already know long enough with astrology since i dont get out much that people are different.
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anyway for me, it's fake. but for others it's NOT fake. I have to remember that.... it's hard but every couple s different.

i have to stop and think and not be so emotionally reactive to stuff. So no offense to those who love rules.
Or you could come to terms with the fact that aquas don't have the warmest personalities which you pretty much single handidly prove. Even your own responses on dxp are "robotic"
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that's good. stay away from me then.
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anyway for me, it's fake. but for others it's NOT fake. I have to remember that.... it's hard but every couple s different.

i have to stop and think and not be so emotionally reactive to stuff. So no offense to those who love rules.
This post for example. What even is this? Is this snark? You have to make a mental note that other people are different from you? Lol. "Must. Remember. Other. People. Have. Emotions. Too. Just different from mine? How odd." Way to showcase your empathy Aqua sign!
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i can see through your bullshit. and using astrology to twist it.


boring.



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anyway for me, it's fake. but for others it's NOT fake. I have to remember that.... it's hard but every couple s different.

i have to stop and think and not be so emotionally reactive to stuff. So no offense to those who love rules.
This post for example. What even is this? Is this snark? You have to make a mental note that other people are different from you? Lol. "Must. Remember. Other. People. Have. Emotions. Too. Just different from mine? How odd." Way to showcase your empathy Aqua sign!
i can see through your bullshit. and using astrology to twist it.


boring.


Except it's not bullshit. You're one of the most contrived and robotic posters on dxp. Aside from offering helpful astrological information in a way that I read in my head as rainman...I've never once read any posts from you that even remotely come across as a genuine or sincere display of any emotion. Except when you're arguing with people about how emotional and warm aquas can be.
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you seem to care alot about me.

and you are with an aqua but you keep complaining about him and how cold he is. If you are with a cold man why the hell are you with him—

all you do is attack about the signs/placements that i am. and about how your bf is this sign and how cold he is. it makes me wonder how you a really are as a person talking shit about your bf like that.

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anyway for me, it's fake. but for others it's NOT fake. I have to remember that.... it's hard but every couple s different.

i have to stop and think and not be so emotionally reactive to stuff. So no offense to those who love rules.
This post for example. What even is this? Is this snark? You have to make a mental note that other people are different from you? Lol. "Must. Remember. Other. People. Have. Emotions. Too. Just different from mine? How odd." Way to showcase your empathy Aqua sign!
i can see through your bullshit. and using astrology to twist it.


boring.


Except it's not bullshit. You're one of the most contrived and robotic posters on dxp. Aside from offering helpful astrological information in a way that I read in my head as rainman...I've never once read any posts from you that even remotely come across as a genuine or sincere display of any emotion. Except when you're arguing with people about how emotional and warm aquas can be.
you seem to care alot about me.

and you are with an aqua but you keep complaining about him and how cold he is. If you are with a cold man why the hell are you with him—

all you do is attack about the signs/placements that i am. and about how your bf is this sign and how cold he is. it makes me wonder how you a really are as a person talking shit about your bf like that.
Because im a venus in aries and detachment doesn't bother me...but im still going to call it what it is. He's not cold per se but he's not as openly warm and expressive as you'd like to claim aquas to be.

Furthermore, you're the one who jumped in this thread and every other thread for that matter...acting like an authority. No, every relationship is not like yours. And every relationship that is different is not "faulty".

Be thankful you have aquas like feby and others who are far more personable and friendly and genuinely warm because you're not exactly the best spokesperson for aquas.
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i'm very thankful for them that's for sure. you should go to them and PM and be all buddy buddy.
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can I ask you what triggered this feeling?
Not sure exactly.. wine was responsible for me *posting* about it, but the actual trigger?

Probably because there's a guy in my life I have feelings for and I'm kind of seeing some of my "issues" or reservations mirrored back from him. Caps and Virgos - or at least he and I - really are a lot alike.. especially when it comes to emoting, it seems.
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can I ask you what triggered this feeling?
Not sure exactly.. wine was responsible for me *posting* about it, but the actual trigger?

Probably because there's a guy in my life I have feelings for and I'm kind of seeing some of my "issues" or reservations mirrored back from him. Caps and Virgos - or at least he and I - really are a lot alike.. especially when it comes to emoting, it seems.
I thought maybe that was it (not the wine šŸ˜›)....I wish I could unhide posts now...lol.
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You mean you cant??! When did they take that away?
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For someone to not know how to be in a relationship?

Because if so, I think that's what I'm experiencing now in myself.

Is it possible to be *too independent*?
Yes.

In my experience though, it had more to do with not allowing people to help me. Even in hardships I'd rather suffer than ask someone for help. Self sufficiency to an extreme.

My Virgo pointed this out to me, him being the helper that he is really struggled with this aspect of mine. It wasn't that I didn't trust him to help me, but because of my life experiences I became really self reliant. He felt like he wasn't much help to me and that bothered him a lot. I didn't want him to feel that way so I decided to allow myself to receive his help. Might sound pathetic but it was much harder than I expected. I'm still self sufficient but now I allow myself to depend more on people now.
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I relate to the self reliance thing. I'm not used to asking for much. I'm working on it, but since I'm unpracticed, I fear either over compensating and asking/sharing too much, or sounding whiny or negative.

I should change my user name to comma splice, lol.
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well, I had to go into "more"....lol
I read it. In my case I really do think it's a mixture of both he and i. I don't get the sense I'm being taken for a ride. But I've been wrong before, lol.

His most recent comment about "being cautious in his involvement because he's comfortable around me" was both confusing and relatable at the same time though.
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You may not be taken for a ride, I just have concern of his previous disclaimer....only because I've experienced the fall out from that.

However, you are a virgo and I am a scorpio.....so, his approach may make more sense to you.

I just found, in my experience, that was a way for him to have his cake and eat it too....and I'm not just talking about sexual relations. I have experienced where all the motions and actions appeared as we were in a relationship or working towards a relationship but when the rubber hit the road (at the point where a situation came up where he was expected to acknowledge this)....I was sorely disappointed. It felt like a carpet being pulled from underneath me. At that point, the relationship (or whatever we were participating in) was beyond repair.

Prior to that happening, I was almost always on a level of confusion because, like your experience, the same types of phrases were uttered...."I don't get close to anyone."...and in hindsight, I can go back and remember other tell tale signs as well.

It sucks to have to be so guarded and when you aren't naturally guarded....and start feeling like you have to be...it can create this internal turmoil of..."Well, maybe I don't know how to be in a relationship."

When a relationship is naturally forming and both people are on the same page...which I experienced with a partner *after* that experience (also a cap).....you don't have those feelings. I promise šŸ™‚
Uggh I just don't know!

I've been accused of being guarded by previous partners.. with them admitting they try to pick fights just to get a spontaneous, emotional response from me.

The Cap is the most like of anyone I've been with, but I find myself over analyzing his responses like I haven't done since I was a teenager.
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and to add to my thoughts (and then I'll stop, promise).....

If I were to ever attempt another relationship with a cap (or anyone for that matter....lol....I'm currently wearing my 'invisible cloak so men cannot see me').....I would most definitely look back at my prior experiences....and because there was such a contrast in the courting process....one very negative and one very positive....I should be well aware whether to invest my time or not. I think it will grant me the opportunity to pick up my marbles and go home a lot faster to avoid a lot of heartache.

but you are a virgo and you may do things similar to a cap because you have that element of earth as something in common. I'm just an emotionally challenged scorpio šŸ˜›
You can share as much as you want. I welcome the insight.

Now, if only I had a Cap translator...
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For someone to not know how to be in a relationship?

Because if so, I think that's what I'm experiencing now in myself.

Is it possible to be *too independent*?
Did you grow up as an only child? Because I notice people with siblings don't have this issue.

I've always been independent, but now at 23 it makes me feel lonely. Sometimes it takes me longer to get things done because I have to bite my pride to ask for help. I enjoy being self-sufficient but just the presence of the people I care about is enough. My ideal relationship is where the two of us spend hours merely talking, sharing wine and pizza. As long as we're both loyal, respectful, and have our own friends and careers.
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I actually am the third of 10 children, lol šŸ™‚
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What is your MBTI Mel?
What is an MBTI?
http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp
I'm taking this when I get home!
INTJ according to that link.
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You're in good company with Rabbit.

INTJ relationships are slow to start, usually because this personality is romantically awkward. Personal relationships tend to deviate from the logical world in which ā€œscientistsā€ thrive, thus leaving such an individual unequipped to maneuver the emotional and physical aspects of a relationship. This character is just as interested in entering a relationship as other personality types but they tend to lack the drive to initiate a relationship. Ever the planner, this individual will have a clear idea of what type of person they are looking for before they even step onto the proverbial field. Self-confidence is one of the ā€œjewelsā€ of this personality and the case often seems to be that the INTJ’s self-confidence shines brightest when they aren’t looking for a relationship. This air of self-assurance can be extremely attractive to a potential mate and will help to instigate a relationship.

Once in a relationship, INTJ takes the commitment very seriously and will work hard to ensure that the relationship has a good chance of working out. The ā€œstrategistā€ will begin to sniff out ways that they can make the relationship better which can involve frequently redefining procedures and searching for ideas that could ā€œfixā€ inefficient or unbalanced areas of the connection. More than anything, INTJ wants a healthy relationship in which they and their partner are comfortable and content. This driving need to constantly work on and improve the relationship can become annoying and stressful to INTJ’s partner if allowed to get out of control.

It is no secret that INTJ has a difficult time expressing emotions, but in actuality they can feel very strongly about a companion. The introverted intuition factor can prevent this individual from sharing personal information even with a trusted partner.
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Over time, INTJ’s mate may become frustrated with having learned so little about their partner’s true self. Patience is a key factor in this type of relationship because ā€œstrategistsā€ place a lot of value on their independence; any excessive pushing or attempts to drag information from this individual will only make them strengthen their internal walls (and develop a healthy amount of resentment against such a disrespectful tactic).

Also, this:

http://intjforum.com/showthread.php?t=50427

(i am cheating on dxp with another forum with mbti types..getting really interested in this)

http://thoughtcatalog.com/heidi-priebe/2015/11/538816/

http://personalitycafe.com/intj-forum-scientists/
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Over time, INTJ’s mate may become frustrated with having learned so little about their partner’s true self. Patience is a key factor in this type of relationship because ā€œstrategistsā€ place a lot of value on their independence; any excessive pushing or attempts to drag information from this individual will only make them strengthen their internal walls (and develop a healthy amount of resentment against such a disrespectful tactic).

Also, this:

http://intjforum.com/showthread.php?t=50427

(i am cheating on dxp with another forum with mbti types..getting really interested in this)

http://thoughtcatalog.com/heidi-priebe/2015/11/538816/

http://personalitycafe.com/intj-forum-scientists/
What's your personality type, Delphi?
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Over time, INTJ’s mate may become frustrated with having learned so little about their partner’s true self. Patience is a key factor in this type of relationship because ā€œstrategistsā€ place a lot of value on their independence; any excessive pushing or attempts to drag information from this individual will only make them strengthen their internal walls (and develop a healthy amount of resentment against such a disrespectful tactic).

Also, this:

http://intjforum.com/showthread.php?t=50427

(i am cheating on dxp with another forum with mbti types..getting really interested in this)

http://thoughtcatalog.com/heidi-priebe/2015/11/538816/

http://personalitycafe.com/intj-forum-scientists/
I'm an INTJ, and that was probably the most accurate description I've read about us in relationships.

The only thing I disagree with is that I'm slow to get into a relationship. If nothing ese, I'm too quick to get attached and want one NOW.

Maybe because I've already analyzed the situation way in advance of ever approaching someone and am confident that it will work.
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