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you are a sick man james tate,and I love you.

I lov you also lov
to bad your not in Belize it is wild down here.

I'm told old for wild.although I will sit and watch wild,while I darn socks.

*to old lol

your two years younger than me of course I have a death wish running with a younger group.

1.3 yrs younger,and I like younger people,too.keeps me young and fresh.😉

I have someone who lives in St louis
He spends about 3 months out of the year there spring time
in winter he lives in Naples FL
in summer in Colorado

I know,that's why I mentioned it 😉
Colorado's not so far away either 😉,but summer is :/

He lives in what is called the westend in a condo unit on Lindell of kingshighway. do you know the area?

Posted by james tate
He lives in what is called the westend in a condo unit on Lindell of kingshighway. do you know the area?

no,I don't.but I'm handy with mapquest. 🙂

Hi Kali!
Merry Christmas!🙂

I have only been there for a few weeks at a time going back to 1995 I know its by a zoo and a art museum and a lot of pubs. He wants me to come to Naples Fla for a visit I might.

AHHHHHHH Florida.that sounds so nice right now.it's really cold today.
I wonder if I close my eyes,and click my heels together three times......

nope.nothing😢

Posted by Kali

Jesus' sacrifice was one that meant our spirits were no longer condemned to death. Through spiritual work, through faith, through Christ one could be (spiritually) in Union with the Divine. However, that does not mean that one can go about sinning left and right and be allowed access to heaven.

Actually, what you know that it meant is what you hope for it to be. Just as you say that death has to be clarified, so does sin. There's nothing in any book, or passage of the bible that says Jesus's cruxifiction means there is spiritual work to do .. even in the passages below it says nothing of spiritual work to do.

Posted by Kali

"God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life". - (Jn. 3:16)

"He that believes on me has everlasting life".- Jesus.. (Jn. 6:47)

These two verses from John explains that one must have faith, in order to have everlasting life. One who has Faith in Christ however, doesn't mean one claims to have faith, and then continues to sin. That doesn't show faith, imo. I feel that having Faith in Christ goes extremely deep, and that one's actions will reflect that faith, in essence, living as Jesus lived, following his example.

IOW, he died for our sins, so that we might know God spiritually, but if we continue to live in sin

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Those two verses don't EXPLAIN about faith. What they say are very straight forward, and say absolutely NOTHING about spiritual work, nor any explaining. Not even a smidgeon of a suggestion about sin, or what sin means.

And that is the point of this thread ...... a person thinks they believe and then they live in doubt of that belief.

You think you have to work to do, while telling yourself that you believe in those verses ... yet, what you tell yourself those verses mean aren't even what they say, it is what you want it to mean so it fits into what you want it to mean.

Back to my original question, in which nobody seemed to be able to actually "get" .. except for asdfghijkl .... you pray to obtain that in which was already given you, for the fact that you are still asking for it = you don't believe it was already given to you.

It's not rocket science .. why is it so hard to grasp?

Rat its around xmas time nothing is stiring not even a mouse so shut the fuck up for awhile

I understand the question that you are asking and it just depends on the person...Since I know I have faith and believe that if people are doing some of the things that are getting told to me.That they will be the ones that have to claim their own sins when it comes time.After all I do believe Jesus was put through all that for us the people living in the world.I also know other people are confused and want to know the truth about all of it.If some people knew the questions and of course the way some people like to think about religion it would probally overwhelm them.I've known people that have judge me because of me being unmarried and having children.

What they don't know about or think about is everything I went through like if it was willing or not...The way I have been treated by those people and many other things.I know they judge because of music I listen to and what other people tell them about me yet I know myself alot better than them.Just like a certain passage that read as do unto others as they would do unto you.Well I have known alot of people that did certain things long before I even did anything like what they had done.The only real reason it got done was because of pain I went through because of certain things that had done.

This is how I know people claim they know things about me even though they really know nothing about what I have lived through or been put through even though they claim too.However people like to look at it I have prayed to the lord without braking passages written in the bible while other people prayed by breaking them.Who's right? The ones that are thought of as the non-siners or the ones that actually do try to help improve the world with out judgment like the way I read somewhere that a Christian told a person they would be going to hell.What gives them the right to say that to a person because of them choosing to be a Christian?

Exactly who thinks they are god? The person that gets told by another person were they will go or a person the person that listens to what they say? No matter what I have faith and do not doubt because my faith allows me to go about my life without worry since no matter what if they don't know the truth they will when it's time.

Posted by oldskoolflavor

It has simply become a tradition. The torch of faith is passed from one generation to the other,
without taking time to question the substance.

Back to the topic .. you said:

he did that, and then came back in spirit to show you the body isn't of importance, the spirit is.

agreed.

the thing is, you had to dig and dig deeper to get to that conclusion.

something most people won't simply do.
and ..
they aren't trying to get the message, they are using religion to provide them a sense of security.

At the end of the day, people do what they want..
you can't force them to dig deeper.

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Now THAT is definitely worth an amen .... I can never stop trying to get them to see it though.

We have come to an age where we are advanced in our spirituality, we have begun to break down the constrictive barriers that were built to conflate god and country ... we are able to comprehend this truth now.

this whole asking for forgiveness thing, while claiming to be saved ... I just can't make sense of it, at all.

If you've already got something .. why are you still asking for it?

If you already got your pizza, are you going to go into Pizza Hut and beg them to give you a pizza?

If you're already saved, if you believe in Jesus and you believed he died on the cross to atone for your sins, and you truly believe this ... then why do you still ask him, and also, don't you realize that it's to sign that you don't have faith?

If you are still asking him ... then you do NOT have faith.

Try it with a person, keep asking them the same thing over and over and see how fast they become upset because they will acknowledge that the only reason you would keep asking them is because you dont' believe in them, you don't trust in them.

Can I have an AMAN!
O.K. can I have a SHABOOM?

No, No I cant

Posted by oldskoolflavor
It has simply become a tradition. The torch of faith is passed from one generation to the other,
without taking time to question the substance.

Back to the topic .. you said:

he did that, and then came back in spirit to show you the body isn't of importance, the spirit is.

agreed.

the thing is, you had to dig and dig deeper to get to that conclusion.

something most people won't simply do.
and ..
they aren't trying to get the message, they are using religion to provide them a sense of security.

At the end of the day, people do what they want..
you can't force them to dig deeper.

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I miss oldskool !!

I love this quote of his ...... "they are't trying to get the message, they are using religion to provide them a sense of security."

Still, I am amazed at the amount of people in this world who beg to be forgiven, when they already have.

If you've already gotten what you seek, then why do you still look for it?

Answer: Because you don't believe, you don't have faith that it will given to you

Answer: Because you don't believe, you don't have faith that it will given to you

Correction: Because you don't believe, you don't have faith that it was given to you

Posted by P-Angel

Posted by oldskoolflavor
It has simply become a tradition. The torch of faith is passed from one generation to the other,
without taking time to question the substance.

Back to the topic .. you said:

he did that, and then came back in spirit to show you the body isn't of importance, the spirit is.

agreed.

the thing is, you had to dig and dig deeper to get to that conclusion.

something most people won't simply do.
and ..
they aren't trying to get the message, they are using religion to provide them a sense of security.

At the end of the day, people do what they want..
you can't force them to dig deeper.

I miss oldskool !!

I love this quote of his ...... "they are't trying to get the message, they are using religion to provide them a sense of security."

Still, I am amazed at the amount of people in this world who beg to be forgiven, when they already have.

If you've already gotten what you seek, then why do you still look for it?

Answer: Because you don't believe, you don't have faith that it will given to you

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When a part of you is missing you need to put another part in.....even if its not the original.

Is there to be rational thought put into what you insert in that blank spot?

Or, just whatever sounds good at the moment .. and call it right?

Explain.

Thou shalt not bump Jesus thread..

Posted by IntriguedScorp

Posted by P-Angel

So, my overall question is: Why do you say you have faith when you really doubt?

That is actually an excellent question.
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I disagree.

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Posted by IntriguedScorp

Posted by P-Angel

So, my overall question is: Why do you say you have faith when you really doubt?

That is actually an excellent question.
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I disagree.

Why?

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Because its human nature to state what you dont mean as fear of being looked at wrong and a shitload of other crap. Therefore it is a basic question of why do kids eat ice cream when they really want chips.

If I had a penny for every time a woman said I dont want to be with the man thats beating me Id be rich. Your actions state your staying in the situation even if a voice tells you getting hit in the face isnt cool. Classic case of action vs words vs actions susposelly speak louder. Just because some things speak louder doesnt me its true. I can scream I have faith in god when I have doubt sounds like the same lie a person lives when they fuck 20 men then go ask forgiveness for there sins. As monkeys go you live a repetitive life style of mistakes. Animals dont stay in the jungle because its fun they stay in it because they live in failure. Dxp 101.

Posted by ArticleL
Classic case of action vs words vs actions susposelly speak louder.

Piss-Angel kill urself and find out which one is more important

Posted by IntriguedScorp

Humans are weak.

Indeed

Posted by IntriguedScorp

We can have something in the palm of our hand and still question whether or not we *have* it. Look at these boards. People have a good thing going and come here overanalyzing or picking up on the smallest, inconsequential detail to question EVERYTHING. Its in the nature of man to question existence. We need tangible proof.

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How simple that is to grasp .. while there are millions out there at this very moment, completely submerged in their ignorance of believing that they truly believe, and not possessing this doubt.

the god delusion has surely ruined what could have been a remarkable species ... hopefully, once we evolve out of the Age of Pisces and into the Age of Aquarius ... we will be able to open our minds

Who knows how many people came to read this .... and probably never understood what it is saying. They probably thought that it's a thread to proclaim there is no god, no jesus ... because the mind is so closed that it can't see beyond the programme.

Only the closed mind is certain

And yet .... this mind isn't certain at all, if it continues to ask for what was already given to them.

Every religion, if it asks .. then it doubts.

If you ask your spouse if s/he loves you, then you don't trust that s/he does, and so have to ask .... it's a simple concept in which I'd wager 99% of people claiming to be 'saved' not only, don't get, they also continue to contridict this in which they claim = they act 'unsaved' by the very act of asking for it.

... because if they have to ask to get it, then they weren't saved at all.

If there was a god, he would be have to be working with satan,
god being the judge and satan as his jailor.
And all his believers are subject to a totalitarianism worse than North Korea. Even
good ole Kim Il-sung doesn't know what you are thinking.
I reject the self-loathing slavery imposed by a bronze-age idiotic, illiterate desert tribe.
the bible should be renamed "living in the bronze-age for idiots". Guess what, the earth is round
and it goes around the sun. god supposedly revealed himself to them and then gave wrong
explanations for everything including the creation of the universe and then incited them to murder.
In fact everything told was exactly what they already believed anyways..wow, thanks god!
To this, the christian contribution is the scapegoat jesus.

Think for yourselves.

Posted by Tabrizi
To me it seems to go like this: because of the crucification we have been white washed from first sin committed by our early ancestors. Mankind has been excluded from the Garden of Eden because of what they did but this sacrifice means there is a hand extended to us in loving forgiveness. However, there is no such thing as a free lunch and while starting from zero again means you're better off than you was with the collective guilt all around your neck it also means you still have to work for it - you got your bum saved from sure damnation, the rest is up to you.

You have been given a CHOICE, not a carte blanche for all future sins you personally commit. And that's why people do pray forgiveness for the mistakes they do in daily life.

1)Exactly why am I responsible for "first sin committed by our early ancestors"?
Does this make any sense to you at all, or is this some dogma shoved into your mind by controlling people?
Can I today, convict YOU of a crime committed by your real estate agent or some dude in China?
If you say yes, are you even rational? Do you understand this is just a ploy to put you at an immediate disadvantage?

2)Instead of "praying for forgiveness..."
-Learn how many religions there are now and how many have come and gone. They all, like you, believe(d).
-Believe in your god; I believe in Zeus. I have a "bible" too. It has many examples of supernatural suspensions of the natural order, just like yours. Show me why your god is the one true god. You can not do it, I promise.

3)"You have been given a CHOICE, not a carte blanche for all future sins you personally commit."
Nope, you just have to "believe". god himself has broken most of his own commandments. Jesus is just an example
of the ancient Jewish practice of scapegoating. Look it up.

Twenty kids were just slaughtered at their school. The priest was so happy he got to deliver a "beautiful" service. He's a vampire. Christians and their guns. Prayers are just an excuse for not doing a dam thing.

Posted by P-Angel
.... Jesus died on the cross to atone for your sins ...

.. then why do you still beg for mercy for your soul and ask to be forgiven?

Do you doubt the trueness of the crucifixion? Deep down inside, do you really fear that it isn't true that you are saved via Jesus dying for it?

You doubt ... if you continue to pray to be saved .. then you believe you aren't.

Second ..... I think people have something screwed up here. They honor and do everything possible to save the body, to make the body of special importance ..

... he did that, and then came back in spirit to show you the body isn't of importance, the spirit is.

So, my overall question is: Why do you say you have faith when you really doubt?

Because it makes us human.

To tell the Lord that you tried.
The world is all one knows.