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Posted by tizianiPosted by exoskeleton_The book of Enoch also lists leaders of the 200 fallen angels who married and commenced in unnatural union with human women, and who taught forbidden knowledge. Some are also listed in Book of Raziel (Sefer Raziel HaMalakh), the Zohar, and Jubilees.
Araqiel (also Arakiel, Araqael, Araciel, Arqael, Sarquael, Arkiel, Arkas) taught humans the signs of the earth. However, in the Sibylline Oracles, Araqiel is referred to not as a fallen angel, or watcher, but as one of the five angels who lead the souls of humans to judgment, the other four being Ramiel, Uriel, Samael, and Azazel.
Armaros (also Amaros or Armoniel) in Enoch I taught humanity the resolving of enchantments.
Azazel taught humans to make knives, swords, shields, and how to devise ornaments and cosmetics.
Gadreel (or Gader'el) taught the art of cosmetics, the use of weapons and killing blows.
Baraqel (Baraqiel) taught astrology.
Bezaliel mentioned in Enoch I, left out of most translations because of damaged manuscripts and problematic transmission of the text.
Chazaqiel (sometimes Ezeqeel or Cambriel) taught humans the signs of the clouds (meteorology).
Kokabiel (also Kakabel, Kochbiel, Kokbiel, Kabaiel, and Kochab), In the Book of Raziel he is a high-ranking, holy angel. In Enoch I, he is a fallen watcher, resident of the nether realms, and commands 365,000 surrogate spirits to do his bidding. Among other duties, he instructs his fellows in astrology.
Penemue "taught mankind the art of writing with ink and paper," and taught "the children of men the bitter and the sweet and the secrets of wisdom." (I Enoch 69.8)
Sariel (also Suriel) taught humankind about the courses of the moon (at one time regarded as forbidden knowledge).
Samyaza (also Shemyazaz, Shamazya, Semiaza, Shemhazi, Semyaza and Amezyarak) is one of the leaders of the fall from heaven in Vocabulaire de l' Angelologie.
Shamsiel, once a guardian of Eden as stated in the Zohar, served as one of the two chief aides to the archangel Uriel (the other aide being Hasdiel) when Uriel bore his standard into battle, and is the head of 365 legions of angels and also crowns prayers, accompanying them to the 5th heaven. In Jubilees, he is referred to as one of the Watchers. He is a fallen angel who teaches the signs of the sun.
Yeqon or Jeqon (Hebrew: יָקוּם, romanized: Yaqum, lit. 'he shall rise') was the ringleader who first tempted the other Watchers into having sexual relations with humans.[13] His accomplices were Asbeel, Gadreel, Penemue, and Kasdaye (or Kasadya), who were all identified as individual "satans".
from wikipedia of course lol really this blows my mind though, what was once considered evil knowledge is what we all use today.
There's a dude who rakes in six figures a year on Patreon documenting this.click to expand
no shit? send lol
Posted by exoskeleton_Posted by Jumpin_JupiterPosted by MyStarsShinePosted by Jumpin_JupiterPosted by MyStarsShinePosted by ChancellorPosted by MyStarsShine
Why on the Scorpio Forum?
Do you trust a bunch of Geminis to discuss matters of the soul?
I don’t judge a person’s depths by their sun sign
🥴
Believe it or not I agree with that dude. This subject's too deep for Geminis.
But you don’t represent every Gemini in the world. There are some here that are quite deep.
Yeah that's true I don't represent every Gemini in the world. Yeah we might have some Geminis here that are deep so quite actually I take back my words. I did say that in an 'all geminis' perspective.
I don't know if we have any Geminis here that really goes above and beyond but I do know one Gemini dude in real life that goes deep into the unknown. He look so much like a Sagittarius rising by how jovial he look. And he may even have some strong scorpio somewhere. He don't come across nothing at all like a Gemini.
But this thread is interesting to say the least. Keeps my mind occupied.
same, i really enjoy mutable energy being able to discuss things from all angles. 🙂click to expand
While I appreciate this unfortunately not everybody on here don't enjoy mutable energy discussions. So therefore I try to take a few steps back and watch everything unfold behind the screens.
Posted by tizianiPosted by exoskeleton_Posted by tizianiPosted by exoskeleton_The book of Enoch also lists leaders of the 200 fallen angels who married and commenced in unnatural union with human women, and who taught forbidden knowledge. Some are also listed in Book of Raziel (Sefer Raziel HaMalakh), the Zohar, and Jubilees.
Araqiel (also Arakiel, Araqael, Araciel, Arqael, Sarquael, Arkiel, Arkas) taught humans the signs of the earth. However, in the Sibylline Oracles, Araqiel is referred to not as a fallen angel, or watcher, but as one of the five angels who lead the souls of humans to judgment, the other four being Ramiel, Uriel, Samael, and Azazel.
Armaros (also Amaros or Armoniel) in Enoch I taught humanity the resolving of enchantments.
Azazel taught humans to make knives, swords, shields, and how to devise ornaments and cosmetics.
Gadreel (or Gader'el) taught the art of cosmetics, the use of weapons and killing blows.
Baraqel (Baraqiel) taught astrology.
Bezaliel mentioned in Enoch I, left out of most translations because of damaged manuscripts and problematic transmission of the text.
Chazaqiel (sometimes Ezeqeel or Cambriel) taught humans the signs of the clouds (meteorology).
Kokabiel (also Kakabel, Kochbiel, Kokbiel, Kabaiel, and Kochab), In the Book of Raziel he is a high-ranking, holy angel. In Enoch I, he is a fallen watcher, resident of the nether realms, and commands 365,000 surrogate spirits to do his bidding. Among other duties, he instructs his fellows in astrology.
Penemue "taught mankind the art of writing with ink and paper," and taught "the children of men the bitter and the sweet and the secrets of wisdom." (I Enoch 69.8)
Sariel (also Suriel) taught humankind about the courses of the moon (at one time regarded as forbidden knowledge).
Samyaza (also Shemyazaz, Shamazya, Semiaza, Shemhazi, Semyaza and Amezyarak) is one of the leaders of the fall from heaven in Vocabulaire de l' Angelologie.
Shamsiel, once a guardian of Eden as stated in the Zohar, served as one of the two chief aides to the archangel Uriel (the other aide being Hasdiel) when Uriel bore his standard into battle, and is the head of 365 legions of angels and also crowns prayers, accompanying them to the 5th heaven. In Jubilees, he is referred to as one of the Watchers. He is a fallen angel who teaches the signs of the sun.
Yeqon or Jeqon (Hebrew: יָקוּם, romanized: Yaqum, lit. 'he shall rise') was the ringleader who first tempted the other Watchers into having sexual relations with humans.[13] His accomplices were Asbeel, Gadreel, Penemue, and Kasdaye (or Kasadya), who were all identified as individual "satans".
from wikipedia of course lol really this blows my mind though, what was once considered evil knowledge is what we all use today.
There's a dude who rakes in six figures a year on Patreon documenting this.
no shit? send lol
I've only looked at it on the surface, but here's the main site
https://www.angelarium.net/<div class="bqfade">click to expand
ty, tiz! what's your take on this? 🙂
Posted by Jumpin_JupiterPosted by exoskeleton_Posted by Jumpin_JupiterPosted by MyStarsShinePosted by Jumpin_JupiterPosted by MyStarsShinePosted by ChancellorPosted by MyStarsShine
Why on the Scorpio Forum?
Do you trust a bunch of Geminis to discuss matters of the soul?
I don’t judge a person’s depths by their sun sign
🥴
Believe it or not I agree with that dude. This subject's too deep for Geminis.
But you don’t represent every Gemini in the world. There are some here that are quite deep.
Yeah that's true I don't represent every Gemini in the world. Yeah we might have some Geminis here that are deep so quite actually I take back my words. I did say that in an 'all geminis' perspective.
I don't know if we have any Geminis here that really goes above and beyond but I do know one Gemini dude in real life that goes deep into the unknown. He look so much like a Sagittarius rising by how jovial he look. And he may even have some strong scorpio somewhere. He don't come across nothing at all like a Gemini.
But this thread is interesting to say the least. Keeps my mind occupied.
same, i really enjoy mutable energy being able to discuss things from all angles. 🙂
While I appreciate this unfortunately not everybody on here don't enjoy mutable energy discussions. So therefore I try to take a few steps back and watch everything unfold behind the screens.click to expand
i understand that 🙂
"you aint god"
Posted by tizianiPosted by exoskeleton_Posted by tizianiPosted by exoskeleton_Posted by tizianiPosted by exoskeleton_The book of Enoch also lists leaders of the 200 fallen angels who married and commenced in unnatural union with human women, and who taught forbidden knowledge. Some are also listed in Book of Raziel (Sefer Raziel HaMalakh), the Zohar, and Jubilees.
Araqiel (also Arakiel, Araqael, Araciel, Arqael, Sarquael, Arkiel, Arkas) taught humans the signs of the earth. However, in the Sibylline Oracles, Araqiel is referred to not as a fallen angel, or watcher, but as one of the five angels who lead the souls of humans to judgment, the other four being Ramiel, Uriel, Samael, and Azazel.
Armaros (also Amaros or Armoniel) in Enoch I taught humanity the resolving of enchantments.
Azazel taught humans to make knives, swords, shields, and how to devise ornaments and cosmetics.
Gadreel (or Gader'el) taught the art of cosmetics, the use of weapons and killing blows.
Baraqel (Baraqiel) taught astrology.
Bezaliel mentioned in Enoch I, left out of most translations because of damaged manuscripts and problematic transmission of the text.
Chazaqiel (sometimes Ezeqeel or Cambriel) taught humans the signs of the clouds (meteorology).
Kokabiel (also Kakabel, Kochbiel, Kokbiel, Kabaiel, and Kochab), In the Book of Raziel he is a high-ranking, holy angel. In Enoch I, he is a fallen watcher, resident of the nether realms, and commands 365,000 surrogate spirits to do his bidding. Among other duties, he instructs his fellows in astrology.
Penemue "taught mankind the art of writing with ink and paper," and taught "the children of men the bitter and the sweet and the secrets of wisdom." (I Enoch 69.8)
Sariel (also Suriel) taught humankind about the courses of the moon (at one time regarded as forbidden knowledge).
Samyaza (also Shemyazaz, Shamazya, Semiaza, Shemhazi, Semyaza and Amezyarak) is one of the leaders of the fall from heaven in Vocabulaire de l' Angelologie.
Shamsiel, once a guardian of Eden as stated in the Zohar, served as one of the two chief aides to the archangel Uriel (the other aide being Hasdiel) when Uriel bore his standard into battle, and is the head of 365 legions of angels and also crowns prayers, accompanying them to the 5th heaven. In Jubilees, he is referred to as one of the Watchers. He is a fallen angel who teaches the signs of the sun.
Yeqon or Jeqon (Hebrew: יָקוּם, romanized: Yaqum, lit. 'he shall rise') was the ringleader who first tempted the other Watchers into having sexual relations with humans.[13] His accomplices were Asbeel, Gadreel, Penemue, and Kasdaye (or Kasadya), who were all identified as individual "satans".
from wikipedia of course lol really this blows my mind though, what was once considered evil knowledge is what we all use today.
There's a dude who rakes in six figures a year on Patreon documenting this.
no shit? send lol
I've only looked at it on the surface, but here's the main site
https://www.angelarium.net/
ty, tiz! what's your take on this? 🙂
On the angels? They remind me of the Annunaki mythology. I get the feeling this kind of mythos was a way to spread insurrection from within imperial rule.click to expand
i haven't read on the annunaki, i'll look into it 🙂
Posted by exoskeleton_Posted by LadyNeptune
Nurture over nature
or both? 🙂click to expand
Both for sure.
But environment shapes who you are more so than anything else
Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by exoskeleton_Posted by LadyNeptune
Nurture over nature
or both? 🙂
Both for sure.
But environment shapes who you are more so than anything elseclick to expand
i want to believe that but idk for sure, thanks for sharing 🙂
i recently finished westworld season 3 and this quote stood out to me;
"I think that people believe the things that help them. Course it could just be this. Nucleus accumbens, it’s a small part of your brain, about an inch and a half long. It’s the part of you that evolved to believe in God." - Dolores
"I think that people believe the things that help them. Course it could just be this. Nucleus accumbens, it’s a small part of your brain, about an inch and a half long. It’s the part of you that evolved to believe in God." - Dolores
I believe nurture has a powerful effect on a person. The first seven years of a child's llfe are of paramount importance. They can make or break.
Posted by tiziani
On the topic itself, I feel astrology is a safe space. No one really has to put their balls on the chopping block to believe in this stuff so you're playing with house money.
lmao for sure, but is it too safe? if we don't evolve and finally graduate from dxp? 😛
your sign VS goku
Posted by LittleStar_IIPosted by exoskeleton_Posted by tiziani
On the topic itself, I feel astrology is a safe space. No one really has to put their balls on the chopping block to believe in this stuff so you're playing with house money.
lmao for sure, but is it too safe? if we don't evolve and finally graduate from dxp? 😛
I think I have evolved in my time while being on DXP but it may be that I’m just trying to feel like I haven’t been on pause for almost a decade. I may have been.
I work out a lot of thoughts and random questions by listening to what other people think and how they read situations and compare them to my own.
Therapy is more expensive. 😂click to expand
ikr lol writing out my thoughts here and getting input from others and finding new things to research etc has helped me so much over the years. 🙂
Posted by WarAngel
After reading 3 pages of this thread, I feel my Phoenix beak poking out of the ash pile. 😁
I'm very happy about this. It's a good thing to experience. Be free.
Posted by bumboklatt
Character and tendencies lead to the same thing
And our decisions finalize the path.
Posted by exoskeleton_Posted by LittleStar_IIPosted by exoskeleton_Posted by ChancellorPosted by exoskeleton_
i think most people get into astrology and other divination initially because they're trying to understand themselves and others, it's like a desperation move lol. i try not to take it so seriously and look at it more as understanding human nature and psychology, but at the same time, we know this shit is accurate af.
And this is where I always had the hardest time understanding why it was considered a form of evil in the ancient scriptures.
We appear to have a tool that seems to show itself as highly accurate. If God made the stars, did He give us this tool? Or has the first heaven been armed by Satan for the sole purpose of setting our expectations to magnetic pulls in the planets as an intricate weapon of mass distraction?
right. and how many references to using astrology/astronomy are there in the bible? the 3 wise men and king solomon come to mind. is this knowledge a gift or delusion, i wonder.
Astrology and religion are two sides of the same coin.
I’ve come to the conclusion at least for now (because I’m a Gemini 😋) that religion and astrology are human created sources of comfort and control to assert that something in this chaotic random universe has order and meaning.
i agree with this (sometimes lol) i too have a problem with all organized religion. like how much of these texts were revised and revised over time? how much has been used in the wrong ways for nations to gain power and control?click to expand
You're right as a whole. See, the Catholics have a monopoly on knowledge of faith, although they don't share all of it. And they also have the most organized good works and ministries. However, they do not appear to have the power of the Spirit which is frequently made manifest in Pentecostal sects. They are two different tribes worshipping God in truth. While forces of the Spirit are not restricted by denominations, it appears the differences are useful for fellowship and may be part of a grand scheme to help people go to one another. This is probably more useful than denominations arguing about who is right or not.
Posted by ChancellorPosted by exoskeleton_Posted by LittleStar_IIPosted by exoskeleton_Posted by ChancellorPosted by exoskeleton_
i think most people get into astrology and other divination initially because they're trying to understand themselves and others, it's like a desperation move lol. i try not to take it so seriously and look at it more as understanding human nature and psychology, but at the same time, we know this shit is accurate af.
And this is where I always had the hardest time understanding why it was considered a form of evil in the ancient scriptures.
We appear to have a tool that seems to show itself as highly accurate. If God made the stars, did He give us this tool? Or has the first heaven been armed by Satan for the sole purpose of setting our expectations to magnetic pulls in the planets as an intricate weapon of mass distraction?
right. and how many references to using astrology/astronomy are there in the bible? the 3 wise men and king solomon come to mind. is this knowledge a gift or delusion, i wonder.
Astrology and religion are two sides of the same coin.
I’ve come to the conclusion at least for now (because I’m a Gemini 😋) that religion and astrology are human created sources of comfort and control to assert that something in this chaotic random universe has order and meaning.
i agree with this (sometimes lol) i too have a problem with all organized religion. like how much of these texts were revised and revised over time? how much has been used in the wrong ways for nations to gain power and control?
You're right as a whole. See, the Catholics have a monopoly on knowledge of faith, although they don't share all of it. And they also have the most organized good works and ministries. However, they do not appear to have the power of the Spirit which is frequently made manifest in Pentecostal sects. They are two different tribes worshipping God in truth. While forces of the Spirit are not restricted by denominations, it appears the differences are useful for fellowship and may be part of a grand scheme to help people go to one another. This is probably more useful than denominations arguing about who is right or not.click to expand
thanks for sharing this. i don't lean towards any specific branch of christianity, i'd need to do more research first. but when i've read the bible, which isn't often enough, i've felt the much more self-understanding and sense of calm than when reading my chart or horoscope. so i'm very glad you brought this topic on board. 🙂
Posted by exoskeleton_Posted by ChancellorPosted by exoskeleton_Posted by LittleStar_IIPosted by exoskeleton_Posted by ChancellorPosted by exoskeleton_
i think most people get into astrology and other divination initially because they're trying to understand themselves and others, it's like a desperation move lol. i try not to take it so seriously and look at it more as understanding human nature and psychology, but at the same time, we know this shit is accurate af.
And this is where I always had the hardest time understanding why it was considered a form of evil in the ancient scriptures.
We appear to have a tool that seems to show itself as highly accurate. If God made the stars, did He give us this tool? Or has the first heaven been armed by Satan for the sole purpose of setting our expectations to magnetic pulls in the planets as an intricate weapon of mass distraction?
right. and how many references to using astrology/astronomy are there in the bible? the 3 wise men and king solomon come to mind. is this knowledge a gift or delusion, i wonder.
Astrology and religion are two sides of the same coin.
I’ve come to the conclusion at least for now (because I’m a Gemini 😋) that religion and astrology are human created sources of comfort and control to assert that something in this chaotic random universe has order and meaning.
i agree with this (sometimes lol) i too have a problem with all organized religion. like how much of these texts were revised and revised over time? how much has been used in the wrong ways for nations to gain power and control?
You're right as a whole. See, the Catholics have a monopoly on knowledge of faith, although they don't share all of it. And they also have the most organized good works and ministries. However, they do not appear to have the power of the Spirit which is frequently made manifest in Pentecostal sects. They are two different tribes worshipping God in truth. While forces of the Spirit are not restricted by denominations, it appears the differences are useful for fellowship and may be part of a grand scheme to help people go to one another. This is probably more useful than denominations arguing about who is right or not.
thanks for sharing this. i don't lean towards any specific branch of christianity, i'd need to do more research first. but when i've read the bible, which isn't often enough, i've felt the much more self-understanding and sense of calm than when reading my chart or horoscope. so i'm very glad you brought this topic on board. 🙂click to expand
I admire you opening up about that. Speaks volumes to your strength. This a sensitive topic that we all discussed very peacefully.
Posted by PhoenixStormPosted by LittleStar_IIPosted by ChancellorPosted by MissKrabs
I thought that was the mainstream idea lol. Just look at twins who have identical charts and becoming diff ppl.
I agree with this. But to play devil's advocate, I would tell you also that a professional astrologer would say that even a few minutes difference can change someone's astrological "DNA."
As privileged as my upbringing was - there is a lot that happened to me that has taught me some sense of empathy and passion toward protecting others and fighting for them. So I feel that astrology is only half the puzzle. If the same set of circumstances happened to someone with a different chart or different set of innate skills, would it have turned out differently? Who really knows.
You’re my favorite dxp Gemini ❤️
And this thread fascinated me. I’m grateful for it. I have Christian beliefs but I guess I’ve been kind of lukewarm in recent months, even years. I’m glad for this thread, it’s refreshing in my opinion.click to expand
His redemptive power is available to you even in your weakness, perhaps especially then.
Posted by PhoenixStormPosted by ChancellorPosted by PhoenixStormPosted by LittleStar_IIPosted by ChancellorPosted by MissKrabs
I thought that was the mainstream idea lol. Just look at twins who have identical charts and becoming diff ppl.
I agree with this. But to play devil's advocate, I would tell you also that a professional astrologer would say that even a few minutes difference can change someone's astrological "DNA."
As privileged as my upbringing was - there is a lot that happened to me that has taught me some sense of empathy and passion toward protecting others and fighting for them. So I feel that astrology is only half the puzzle. If the same set of circumstances happened to someone with a different chart or different set of innate skills, would it have turned out differently? Who really knows.
You’re my favorite dxp Gemini ❤️
And this thread fascinated me. I’m grateful for it. I have Christian beliefs but I guess I’ve been kind of lukewarm in recent months, even years. I’m glad for this thread, it’s refreshing in my opinion.
His redemptive power is available to you even in your weakness, perhaps especially then.
I learned about Christianity and astrology both around the same time in my early 20s. I have dabbled in both but admittedly probably more so into astrology mainly because its easier to understand. When I’ve tried reading the Bible I usually get lost in the text, but I do read devotionals regularly. I have noticed when it comes to my anxiety, its heightened when I dabble in astrology and it lessens when I read devotionals or pray. So your comment about how we’ve learned things we are not meant to know struck me in a way.click to expand
Yes I believe that. Demons and angels, God and Satan are all real. They just are. James 1:5 says "I knew you before you were in the womb." Before. Meaning we were with Him prior to accepting the test of life on Earth. Not all of us chose that, by the way. But to be reasonable, we can also conclude that Satan knew us before we took physical form also in some instances. We could have had stumbling blocks laid before us that we aren't aware of from before birth!
This isn't a story about me but a fact that you can hopefully relate to. My mom's side were Freemasons, one of which is 32 degree. My dad wanted to be a pastor and read me the Bible when I was a kid. The discovery of hidden knowledge, an education of both sides showed me it was all about choices to be made. But it also seems that most of the world is starving for this knowledge too.
Posted by PhoenixStorm
I think the mind is an extremely powerful thing. I remember reading in my chart over 10 years ago that I would be unlucky in love. And I have been, for the most part... lol and I think that once that seed is planted and you start believing what you read, it becomes true. And that’s why I think you’re right also when you say that putting too much weight into astrology interrupts your destiny and I think I’m maybe guilty of this. (The unlucky in love was just one example, there are others)
You just might be onto something game-changing for your destiny. I hope you explore that further soon. I tried my best to propose these contexts without bias but I will break that temporarily now to inform you that I will begin to pray for you about this during my 21 day fast.
There are good people in bad religions and bad people in good religions which I always found amusing considering "religion" isn't mentioned but once in the scriptures. Yet we've built governments entirely on religion more than once lol! Nobody's better than humans at missing the mark.
Posted by ChancellorPosted by exoskeleton_Posted by ChancellorPosted by exoskeleton_Posted by LittleStar_IIPosted by exoskeleton_Posted by ChancellorPosted by exoskeleton_
i think most people get into astrology and other divination initially because they're trying to understand themselves and others, it's like a desperation move lol. i try not to take it so seriously and look at it more as understanding human nature and psychology, but at the same time, we know this shit is accurate af.
And this is where I always had the hardest time understanding why it was considered a form of evil in the ancient scriptures.
We appear to have a tool that seems to show itself as highly accurate. If God made the stars, did He give us this tool? Or has the first heaven been armed by Satan for the sole purpose of setting our expectations to magnetic pulls in the planets as an intricate weapon of mass distraction?
right. and how many references to using astrology/astronomy are there in the bible? the 3 wise men and king solomon come to mind. is this knowledge a gift or delusion, i wonder.
Astrology and religion are two sides of the same coin.
I’ve come to the conclusion at least for now (because I’m a Gemini 😋) that religion and astrology are human created sources of comfort and control to assert that something in this chaotic random universe has order and meaning.
i agree with this (sometimes lol) i too have a problem with all organized religion. like how much of these texts were revised and revised over time? how much has been used in the wrong ways for nations to gain power and control?
You're right as a whole. See, the Catholics have a monopoly on knowledge of faith, although they don't share all of it. And they also have the most organized good works and ministries. However, they do not appear to have the power of the Spirit which is frequently made manifest in Pentecostal sects. They are two different tribes worshipping God in truth. While forces of the Spirit are not restricted by denominations, it appears the differences are useful for fellowship and may be part of a grand scheme to help people go to one another. This is probably more useful than denominations arguing about who is right or not.
thanks for sharing this. i don't lean towards any specific branch of christianity, i'd need to do more research first. but when i've read the bible, which isn't often enough, i've felt the much more self-understanding and sense of calm than when reading my chart or horoscope. so i'm very glad you brought this topic on board. 🙂
I admire you opening up about that. Speaks volumes to your strength. This a sensitive topic that we all discussed very peacefully.click to expand
thank you. 🙂 indeed, great convo. and to think you and i used to be top trolls here. 😛
I believe this to a large extent. That we can transcend whatever the earth throws at us. I believe my mother is an example. She's a saint, so like.. whatever earth things happen, I don't think they apply to her. She's a Gemini and none of the things that applies to Gem except friendly and talkative.
Posted by PhoenixStormPosted by ChancellorPosted by PhoenixStormPosted by LittleStar_IIPosted by ChancellorPosted by MissKrabs
I thought that was the mainstream idea lol. Just look at twins who have identical charts and becoming diff ppl.
I agree with this. But to play devil's advocate, I would tell you also that a professional astrologer would say that even a few minutes difference can change someone's astrological "DNA."
As privileged as my upbringing was - there is a lot that happened to me that has taught me some sense of empathy and passion toward protecting others and fighting for them. So I feel that astrology is only half the puzzle. If the same set of circumstances happened to someone with a different chart or different set of innate skills, would it have turned out differently? Who really knows.
You’re my favorite dxp Gemini ❤️
And this thread fascinated me. I’m grateful for it. I have Christian beliefs but I guess I’ve been kind of lukewarm in recent months, even years. I’m glad for this thread, it’s refreshing in my opinion.
His redemptive power is available to you even in your weakness, perhaps especially then.
I learned about Christianity and astrology both around the same time in my early 20s. I have dabbled in both but admittedly probably more so into astrology mainly because its easier to follow (mainly because of the language used in the Bible). When I’ve tried reading the Bible I usually get lost in the text, but I do read devotionals regularly. I have noticed when it comes to my anxiety, its heightened when I dabble in astrology and it lessens when I read devotionals or pray. So your comment about how we’ve learned things we are not meant to know struck me in a way.click to expand
the bible used to baffle me too. like wall of text to the extreme lol, but it's so worth reading with some patience and the right mindset.
and i used to dabble in tarot and playing cards, but every time it brought me more confusion than clarity. that's when i sensed it wasn't right for me.
Some say Astrology is evil by nature. In the Book of Enoch it is said Astrology was one of many forbidden knowledges passed down to humans from the original
nephilim that fell to earth when God cast then devil and its followers here. With it came many other knowledges, like the aspect of greed and how to turn gold/ other precious metals into jewelry. There are many other forbidden knowledges that came with it, but those who consider themselves most divine always consider Astrology evil. Which is why it always falls into the occult more then science, philosophy, or religion. Back in the day we would have been called a witch, or simply killed for studying anyting occult related. The idea of trying to figure out others before they even tell you who they are by nature is forbidden by God, for it is only God who can truly and accurately tell you who people are. Though I 100% disagree with that statement.
nephilim that fell to earth when God cast then devil and its followers here. With it came many other knowledges, like the aspect of greed and how to turn gold/ other precious metals into jewelry. There are many other forbidden knowledges that came with it, but those who consider themselves most divine always consider Astrology evil. Which is why it always falls into the occult more then science, philosophy, or religion. Back in the day we would have been called a witch, or simply killed for studying anyting occult related. The idea of trying to figure out others before they even tell you who they are by nature is forbidden by God, for it is only God who can truly and accurately tell you who people are. Though I 100% disagree with that statement.
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I thought that was the mainstream idea lol. Just look at twins who have identical charts and becoming diff ppl.
I agree with this. But to play devil's advocate, I would tell you also that a professional astrologer would say that even a few minutes difference can change someone's astrological "DNA."
As privileged as my upbringing was - there is a lot that happened to me that has taught me some sense of empathy and passion toward protecting others and fighting for them. So I feel that astrology is only half the puzzle. If the same set of circumstances happened to someone with a different chart or different set of innate skills, would it have turned out differently? Who really knows.
You’re my favorite dxp Gemini ❤️
And this thread fascinated me. I’m grateful for it. I have Christian beliefs but I guess I’ve been kind of lukewarm in recent months, even years. I’m glad for this thread, it’s refreshing in my opinion.
His redemptive power is available to you even in your weakness, perhaps especially then.
I learned about Christianity and astrology both around the same time in my early 20s. I have dabbled in both but admittedly probably more so into astrology mainly because its easier to follow (mainly because of the language used in the Bible). When I’ve tried reading the Bible I usually get lost in the text, but I do read devotionals regularly. I have noticed when it comes to my anxiety, its heightened when I dabble in astrology and it lessens when I read devotionals or pray. So your comment about how we’ve learned things we are not meant to know struck me in a way.
the bible used to baffle me too. like wall of text to the extreme lol, but it's so worth reading with some patience and the right mindset.
and i used to dabble in tarot and playing cards, but every time it brought me more confusion than clarity. that's when i sensed it wasn't right for me.
I have recently tried using the SOAP method for studying the Bible (though I haven’t been consistent) 😒 but when I do try it, that helps me a bit. I also listen to Andy Stanley podcast, he has a story-telling type of gift that brings the Bible to life and ties it in with practical tips and insight.click to expand
i like this SOAP method idea, i'll try it out. thank you. 🙂
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Some say Astrology is evil by nature. In the Book of Enoch it is said Astrology was one of many forbidden knowledges passed down to humans from the original
nephilim that fell to earth when God cast then devil and its followers here. With it came many other knowledges, like the aspect of greed and how to turn gold/ other precious metals into jewelry. There are many other forbidden knowledges that came with it, but those who consider themselves most divine always consider Astrology evil. Which is why it always falls into the occult more then science, philosophy, or religion. Back in the day we would have been called a witch, or simply killed for studying anyting occult related. The idea of trying to figure out others before they even tell you who they are by nature is forbidden by God, for it is only God who can truly and accurately tell you who people are. Though I 100% disagree with that statement.
on the last bit, would it bother you if someone used your chart or divination to try to understand you, without actually spending time and getting to know you?
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Some say Astrology is evil by nature. In the Book of Enoch it is said Astrology was one of many forbidden knowledges passed down to humans from the original
nephilim that fell to earth when God cast then devil and its followers here. With it came many other knowledges, like the aspect of greed and how to turn gold/ other precious metals into jewelry. There are many other forbidden knowledges that came with it, but those who consider themselves most divine always consider Astrology evil. Which is why it always falls into the occult more then science, philosophy, or religion. Back in the day we would have been called a witch, or simply killed for studying anyting occult related. The idea of trying to figure out others before they even tell you who they are by nature is forbidden by God, for it is only God who can truly and accurately tell you who people are. Though I 100% disagree with that statement.
on the last bit, would it bother you if someone used your chart or divination to try to understand you, without actually spending time and getting to know you?click to expand
I would not. Mostly because I do it to 100% to people I interact with anyways, so at the very least I would consider it owed. Not to mention I would consider someone trying to figure me out on an astrological level someone I deeply relate with.
What is the SOAP method? I feel like I should know this.
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What is the SOAP method? I feel like I should know this.
S - scripture
O - observation
A - application
P - prayer
It’s more for journaling/reflection but it helps me focus and dig deeper into the text rather than just reading. You can try googling it for more info but here is a blog that talks about it
https://lifeloveandjesus.com/soap-bible-study-method/<div class="bqfade">click to expand
I try to use immersion. I'll fast for 7 days straight and pray, ask my pastor. The Bible is deep. The one I have was $ 100 and has the original Hebrew transliterations in it. Definitely an eye opener because sometimes one word ends up having different meaning in it depending on which book it's in. For instance, there are three spellings of nephilim. And they are different types of beings in Enoch.
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i think most people get into astrology and other divination initially because they're trying to understand themselves and others, it's like a desperation move lol. i try not to take it so seriously and look at it more as understanding human nature and psychology, but at the same time, we know this shit is accurate af.
And this is where I always had the hardest time understanding why it was considered a form of evil in the ancient scriptures.
We appear to have a tool that seems to show itself as highly accurate. If God made the stars, did He give us this tool? Or has the first heaven been armed by Satan for the sole purpose of setting our expectations to magnetic pulls in the planets as an intricate weapon of mass distraction?
right. and how many references to using astrology/astronomy are there in the bible? the 3 wise men and king solomon come to mind. is this knowledge a gift or delusion, i wonder.
Astrology and religion are two sides of the same coin.
I’ve come to the conclusion at least for now (because I’m a Gemini 😋) that religion and astrology are human created sources of comfort and control to assert that something in this chaotic random universe has order and meaning.
i agree with this (sometimes lol) i too have a problem with all organized religion. like how much of these texts were revised and revised over time? how much has been used in the wrong ways for nations to gain power and control?
You're right as a whole. See, the Catholics have a monopoly on knowledge of faith, although they don't share all of it. And they also have the most organized good works and ministries. However, they do not appear to have the power of the Spirit which is frequently made manifest in Pentecostal sects. They are two different tribes worshipping God in truth. While forces of the Spirit are not restricted by denominations, it appears the differences are useful for fellowship and may be part of a grand scheme to help people go to one another. This is probably more useful than denominations arguing about who is right or not.
thanks for sharing this. i don't lean towards any specific branch of christianity, i'd need to do more research first. but when i've read the bible, which isn't often enough, i've felt the much more self-understanding and sense of calm than when reading my chart or horoscope. so i'm very glad you brought this topic on board. 🙂
I admire you opening up about that. Speaks volumes to your strength. This a sensitive topic that we all discussed very peacefully.
thank you. 🙂 indeed, great convo. and to think you and i used to be top trolls here. 😛
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Some say Astrology is evil by nature. In the Book of Enoch it is said Astrology was one of many forbidden knowledges passed down to humans from the original
nephilim that fell to earth when God cast then devil and its followers here. With it came many other knowledges, like the aspect of greed and how to turn gold/ other precious metals into jewelry. There are many other forbidden knowledges that came with it, but those who consider themselves most divine always consider Astrology evil. Which is why it always falls into the occult more then science, philosophy, or religion. Back in the day we would have been called a witch, or simply killed for studying anyting occult related. The idea of trying to figure out others before they even tell you who they are by nature is forbidden by God, for it is only God who can truly and accurately tell you who people are. Though I 100% disagree with that statement.
on the last bit, would it bother you if someone used your chart or divination to try to understand you, without actually spending time and getting to know you?
I would not. Mostly because I do it to 100% to people I interact with anyways, so at the very least I would consider it owed. Not to mention I would consider someone trying to figure me out on an astrological level someone I deeply relate with.click to expand
so you'd be okay with them making huge generalizations and assumptions about say your leo and scorp bits, and not even uncovering your uniqueness?
what if they used some tea leaves, cards, crystal ball etc to probe you, that's aight too?
does it matter what spirit/force they get their intel on you from?
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What is the SOAP method? I feel like I should know this.
S - scripture
O - observation
A - application
P - prayer
It’s more for journaling/reflection but it helps me focus and dig deeper into the text rather than just reading. You can try googling it for more info but here is a blog that talks about it
https://lifeloveandjesus.com/soap-bible-study-method/
I try to use immersion. I'll fast for 7 days straight and pray, ask my pastor. The Bible is deep. The one I have was $ 100 and has the original Hebrew transliterations in it. Definitely an eye opener because sometimes one word ends up having different meaning in it depending on which book it's in. For instance, there are three spellings of nephilim. And they are different types of beings in Enoch.click to expand
what are their differences?
we should also look into why the fallen bothered to teach us specific things.
@chancellor you've mentioned before about each letter of the bible having meaning and pictographs, can you share more on that please?
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@chancellor you've mentioned before about each letter of the bible having meaning and pictographs, can you share more on that please?
It's a very recent discovery that I'm making a video about so I'll share it when it's done. But the basic concept is that you can extrapolate additional meaning and understanding from every scripture by comparing it to its foundational languages (Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic), again by comparing it to what words used to mean 500 and 1,000 years ago (you do this with the assistance of the study of etymology), again by culture of the times, and yet even again by each letter's correspondence to an image. Every letter was first an image. Before words were pictographs and I have only scratched the surface of this knowledge recently.
You have to treat every scripture literally, and then again like a mystery. Each scripture could potentially have another whole book of meaning. I doubt we'll ever understand it all in this life but we can get under the hood enough to find out why mankind thought their wisdom was better than the creation of wisdom's.
Have you ever heard of water spirits and the marine kingdom? A lot of corporate logos (like Starbucks) took their inspiration from these evils.
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Some say Astrology is evil by nature. In the Book of Enoch it is said Astrology was one of many forbidden knowledges passed down to humans from the original
nephilim that fell to earth when God cast then devil and its followers here. With it came many other knowledges, like the aspect of greed and how to turn gold/ other precious metals into jewelry. There are many other forbidden knowledges that came with it, but those who consider themselves most divine always consider Astrology evil. Which is why it always falls into the occult more then science, philosophy, or religion. Back in the day we would have been called a witch, or simply killed for studying anyting occult related. The idea of trying to figure out others before they even tell you who they are by nature is forbidden by God, for it is only God who can truly and accurately tell you who people are. Though I 100% disagree with that statement.
on the last bit, would it bother you if someone used your chart or divination to try to understand you, without actually spending time and getting to know you?
I would not. Mostly because I do it to 100% to people I interact with anyways, so at the very least I would consider it owed. Not to mention I would consider someone trying to figure me out on an astrological level someone I deeply relate with.
so you'd be okay with them making huge generalizations and assumptions about say your leo and scorp bits, and not even uncovering your uniqueness?
what if they used some tea leaves, cards, crystal ball etc to probe you, that's aight too?
does it matter what spirit/force they get their intel on you from?click to expand
That's a loaded question. I want to ponder this myself.
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@chancellor you've mentioned before about each letter of the bible having meaning and pictographs, can you share more on that please?
It's a very recent discovery that I'm making a video about so I'll share it when it's done. But the basic concept is that you can extrapolate additional meaning and understanding from every scripture by comparing it to its foundational languages (Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic), again by comparing it to what words used to mean 500 and 1,000 years ago (you do this with the assistance of the study of etymology), again by culture of the times, and yet even again by each letter's correspondence to an image. Every letter was first an image. Before words were pictographs and I have only scratched the surface of this knowledge recently.
You have to treat every scripture literally, and then again like a mystery. Each scripture could potentially have another whole book of meaning. I doubt we'll ever understand it all in this life but we can get under the hood enough to find out why mankind thought their wisdom was better than the creation of wisdom's.
Have you ever heard of water spirits and the marine kingdom? A lot of corporate logos (like Starbucks) took their inspiration from these evils.click to expand
so cool. i love analyzing this kinda thing, it'd take a whole lifetime to even scratch the surface of the bible.
i've heard of water spirits in terms of mythology and folklore, but don't know much about 'em. what is their purpose or intent?
i remember my mom was always put off by the starbucks logo, she said she saw something satanic in it. also when i was a browie in girl scouts i was oddly horrified by one of the pins they gave us, it had some fairy thing on it. we're both very sensitive to symbols.
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Some say Astrology is evil by nature. In the Book of Enoch it is said Astrology was one of many forbidden knowledges passed down to humans from the original
nephilim that fell to earth when God cast then devil and its followers here. With it came many other knowledges, like the aspect of greed and how to turn gold/ other precious metals into jewelry. There are many other forbidden knowledges that came with it, but those who consider themselves most divine always consider Astrology evil. Which is why it always falls into the occult more then science, philosophy, or religion. Back in the day we would have been called a witch, or simply killed for studying anyting occult related. The idea of trying to figure out others before they even tell you who they are by nature is forbidden by God, for it is only God who can truly and accurately tell you who people are. Though I 100% disagree with that statement.
on the last bit, would it bother you if someone used your chart or divination to try to understand you, without actually spending time and getting to know you?
I would not. Mostly because I do it to 100% to people I interact with anyways, so at the very least I would consider it owed. Not to mention I would consider someone trying to figure me out on an astrological level someone I deeply relate with.
so you'd be okay with them making huge generalizations and assumptions about say your leo and scorp bits, and not even uncovering your uniqueness?
what if they used some tea leaves, cards, crystal ball etc to probe you, that's aight too?
does it matter what spirit/force they get their intel on you from?
That's a loaded question. I want to ponder this myself.click to expand
i mean we don't wanna limit ourselves by astro placements, so we wouldn't want others to limit us in the same way, right?
and if we ask God, the devil, an eggplant, shiva, odin, horus, persephone etc all the same questions about someone, are we gonna get all the same answers across the board? are some entities more likely to confuse and deceive us, make us sacrifice something first?
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I can imagine this will either be distasteful to some, intriguing to others. Hopefully we can have a mature discourse above all.
There is a school of thought that your planetary influences do not necessarily define your character, but rather your tendencies. I believe that if we can overcome these influences with laser-sharp intention and action that we do not have to succumb to anything but our own will.Predestination is not pre-determination, so to speak. Perhaps astrology is a means to set mental expectations and layer people in clouds of delusion too thick to unravel over time, thus distracting us from real life and purpose. Perhaps transcendence is available through a power higher than these. Please share your free-thinking on this matter. No thought is incorrect.
A little late to the party, and I'm not sure I could add much to this other than to wonder why some would choose to let these tendencies you speak of define them and why others work very hard to overcome them? It' all about choices....I think there are so many variable that influence this. Just like one's Sun sign (for example) does not work in isolation of the other planetary influences in one's chart, the overall chart (or person) can not be understood in isolation of his/her environment/surroundings.
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...Perhaps astrology is a means to set mental expectations and layer people in clouds of delusion too thick to unravel over time, thus distracting us from real life and purpose...click to expand
I like to believe that astrology is one of many ways people try to explain and better understand human behaviour. Through a deeper understanding of self and others one can find their purpose. Some do, and still choose to be (or live their life) just as they currently are. Not sure finding one's life and purpose means you need to act on it. It's all about choices after all.
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Why on the Scorpio Forum?
Do you trust a bunch of Geminis to discuss matters of the soul?click to expand
LOL. All the Gems I know are atheist, but great in discussing matters of human behaviour.
I guess I missed where this topic was about matters of the soul.
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Why on the Scorpio Forum?
Do you trust a bunch of Geminis to discuss matters of the soul?
LOL. All the Gems I know are atheist, but great in discussing matters of human behaviour.
I guess I missed where this topic was about matters of the soul.click to expand
I've never met an atheist who wasn't aggressively angry about the things of the Spirit, whether they're good at hiding so or not.
we should note that atheists are also struggling or have struggled at some point with their faith/belief system and that's normal. i know a few proclaimed atheists who still pray when shit gets hard and/or their family is still religious so they still follow certain traditions. and they're not all aggressive about their atheism either.
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we should note that atheists are also struggling or have struggled at some point with their faith/belief system and that's normal. i know a few proclaimed atheists who still pray when shit gets hard and/or their family is still religious so they still follow certain traditions. and they're not all aggressive about their atheism either.
They always pray to God when things get serious. I know a real-life mobster who got saved by being in a shootout.
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What is the SOAP method? I feel like I should know this.
S - scripture
O - observation
A - application
P - prayer
It’s more for journaling/reflection but it helps me focus and dig deeper into the text rather than just reading. You can try googling it for more info but here is a blog that talks about it
https://lifeloveandjesus.com/soap-bible-study-method/
I try to use immersion. I'll fast for 7 days straight and pray, ask my pastor. The Bible is deep. The one I have was $ 100 and has the original Hebrew transliterations in it. Definitely an eye opener because sometimes one word ends up having different meaning in it depending on which book it's in. For instance, there are three spellings of nephilim. And they are different types of beings in Enoch.
what are their differences?
we should also look into why the fallen bothered to teach us specific things.click to expand
Dear Black Goddess,
They taught us these things so that they can control our expectations in faith and direct our worship away from God. There is no truly evil thing in this world that doesn't first acknowledge itself in "goodness." If you study, Eve "saw that the fruit was good" before she consumed it.
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we should note that atheists are also struggling or have struggled at some point with their faith/belief system and that's normal. i know a few proclaimed atheists who still pray when shit gets hard and/or their family is still religious so they still follow certain traditions. and they're not all aggressive about their atheism either.
They always pray to God when things get serious. I know a real-life mobster who got saved by being in a shootout.click to expand
sad, but we all don't spend enough time in prayer. i'm working on it myself.
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we should note that atheists are also struggling or have struggled at some point with their faith/belief system and that's normal. i know a few proclaimed atheists who still pray when shit gets hard and/or their family is still religious so they still follow certain traditions. and they're not all aggressive about their atheism either.
They always pray to God when things get serious. I know a real-life mobster who got saved by being in a shootout.
sad, but we all don't spend enough time in prayer. i'm working on it myself.click to expand
I find it's harder to spend time in prayer than it is to study. That's something I must work on also.
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we should note that atheists are also struggling or have struggled at some point with their faith/belief system and that's normal. i know a few proclaimed atheists who still pray when shit gets hard and/or their family is still religious so they still follow certain traditions. and they're not all aggressive about their atheism either.
They always pray to God when things get serious. I know a real-life mobster who got saved by being in a shootout.
sad, but we all don't spend enough time in prayer. i'm working on it myself.
I find it's harder to spend time in prayer than it is to study. That's something I must work on also.click to expand
we can start by making small changes. i have a mini bible i should carry with me and read that in spare time instead of my phone. i've heard there's some good bible apps as well with daily scriptures. have any methods or recommendations?
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