LillyPetal
@LillyPetal
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UGGs are UGGly!
Posted by LillyPetalthis one is too cute
In every sense of the word!
Ladies, please, if you haven't already, please do not give your money to that evil company. If you already have, please don't continue to support them and inform the people you know.
UGGs engages in unethical and CRUEL practices to mass produce their popular boots.
The mainstream wool (not just UGGs) industry is as unjust as its meat factory counter part.
NO EXCUSE FOR ANIMAL ABUSE! ?❌‼️Anyone can start making the right choices TODAY, regardless of their past consumerism habits. ?? Do NOT buy wool unless you KNOW for yourself its source!
Posted by BoredomStrikesAbsolutely
Are you a vegan or vegetarian? If not then you're hypocritical - because the animals that you shove in your mouth have most likely been tortured and abused before they've ended up on your serving plate.
The meat industry, dairy industry, wool/leather/feather etc. industry are all cruel and evil industries.
I am a vegetarian who is making the transition to my ultimate goal - veganism. For example, I don't eat dairy ice cream or drink dairy milk - I have replaced them with plant-based milk.
Posted by BoredomStrikesAlmost any human being with a grain of moral fiber wouldn't be able to stomach the truth behind so many of the products we consume mindlessly. Most don't uphold the responsibility to eve ask questions or educate themselves with the truth. We are very irresponsible consumers.
But this is terrible. I was recently watching a peta video and it was difficult for me to hold back tears. Humans are disgusting.
I hear they make your feet sweat and stink too. Is that true?
Posted by SoulVery likely
I hear they make your feet sweat and stink too. Is that true?
It's disappointing to see so many women on my campus buying into this cruel and ugly trend. The company knows how to market, it is up to us, the ones with the power, to do our research and vote with our dollars.
Have you researched beyond peta-provided
videos?
videos?
Posted by MontgomeryYes. The cruel wool industry is their best kept secret. They don't want people to know the truth because they would risk losing A LOT of money because who would support such an industry - the unaware, the willingly ignorant, or the media fashion zombies.
Have you researched beyond peta-provided
videos?
When the truth was exposed, austrailia, one of the world's largest wool exporters, were being threatened with boycotting from nations who wouldn't import their wool thanks to the outrage of woke consumers. What happened? Australia promised to increase regulation on their wool production. That is still in the works, and it remains to be seen.
Strangely, there are people who will go out of their way to defend a greedy industry that would sell them food knowing it's carcinogenic for the sake of profit. Where is this loyalty coming from? Years of marketing and brainwashing and pics of models wearing their products so that the ugly duckling stares at those photos and wishes to be just as desirable and beautiful. When, in truth, all educated people see is bloody, tortured animal corpses encompassing their feet. When the truth is, those air brushed models will seem just as beautiful without the the hideous things on their feet.
When something is MASS PRODUCED, we need to ask QUESTIONS about HOW it is being successfully put out at such quantities, in such time. The answer is usually ugly, if not always. And when the live animals are at stake, we need to stand up and make sacrifices.
Ok... just to know where you're coming from--
If they did it humanely, would it make a
difference?
For me, that is what sets one company apart
from another-- but I have no problem with eating
meat or wearing leather.
Some people believe that its wrong to use
anything derived from animals, regardless.
If they did it humanely, would it make a
difference?
For me, that is what sets one company apart
from another-- but I have no problem with eating
meat or wearing leather.
Some people believe that its wrong to use
anything derived from animals, regardless.
Posted by MagicMonaIt's all about moving forward. "Too late, I already ate cows" - no. It's never too late. It's about the FUTURE and FUTURE decisions based on what you NOW know. No one can be blamed for actions they have committed in ignorance - myself included, you included.
too late. already own 2 pair. the typical dino looking pair, and an actual boot with the inside fur weatherproof pair. my feet never sweat or smell in them. wear socks with shoes and you dont have this problem.
my thing with this is, when you need shoes, you need shoes. you dont think of how they are made. you're thinking of keeping your feet warm and dry, and slip proof during the winter. i didn't bother to research, nor did i choose them because of brand. i saw what stuck out to me, and bought them.
animals have always died to sustain man. native americans have always used animals to survive. the only difference is we only killed what we needed. we prayed for the animals' spirits, and gave thanks for their sacrifices. and we used ALL of the animal. nothing was wasted.
Everyone is guilty of buying thoughtlessly with nothing but: it's pretty/it's fashionable/it's the first thing I saw/it's less expensive/it's more expensive/it's easy/I didn't think, etc.
More and more the truth is coming out and the question is - now that you KNOW and ignorance isn't an excuse, what are you willing to give up to do your part in reducing animal suffering and reducing support for corporations that have a choke-hold on small, local farms and businesses?
It is irresponsible to buy things without looking into what industry you are supporting - whether the industry is guilty of exploiting animals or exploitating human beings. That is the common mindset and it must change.
"animals have always died to sustain man. native americans have always used animals to survive. the only difference is we only killed what we needed. we prayed for the animals' spirits, and gave thanks for their sacrifices. and we used ALL of the animal. nothing was wasted."
^^^That is a MAJOR MAJOR difference! There is nothing natural about our current system. It isn't even about survival - it's about greed (for corporations), exclusivity (for consumers - look, I have the expensive Uggs!,) or the easy way out (considering ethical production is toooo inconvenient for me, it's easier to just buy what I like/saw.)
Other animals living a natural life style do not destroy what their lives' depend on. They take what they NEED and they honor the planet and the animals. We pluck animals ALIVE so that we can have feathers adorne our clothes when we can SURVIVE without it.
We all need to be held accountable. We are taking MORE than what we need and we are causing unnecessary TORMENT and PAIN to these animals. Shearing shouldn't cause animals pain, but it does when you have tired/frustrated people who know NOTHING about animal well-fare recklessly shearing the skin off of these sheep because they want to feed the greedy machine and are desperate for their pay-check, and the industry doesn't have the compassion to at least provide veterinary care because that would cost them money. The industry doesn't care for their workers. So if one doesn't care about the animals - care about the people.
People often use that excuse of the "food chain" and "nature," but what about articifical insemination is natural? What about mastrubating male foxes locked in cages so that their semin can impregnate enslaved female foxes so their pups can be used to skin - natural? What about HGH is natural? What about sawing off beaks of chickens so that you can cram them into tiny cages is natural? What is natural about beating a seal or fox over the head for skin you don't need to stay warm because you have a house is natural? What part about drinking the milk of another species when you are an adult - natural? What is natural about killing the calf so that we can drink the mother's milk, instead? What is natural about grinding up male chicks alive because they are useless to the egg insisted - natural? It's wholly UNNATURAL, but we have been brainwashed into thinking it's okay.
Posted by CoolCalypsoAbsolutely.
I think if there are better options that serves and fullfils the same purpose then why choose the lest ethical one?
I would believe there weren't much better choices, at the time the native Americans used the animals for clothes shoes ect, so I don't think that motive should apply at present day/ now..
The point being there's many many other choices at hand.
Necessity is simply not a valid excuse anymore. The amount of waste caused by mass "farming" of these animals (whether farm animals or aquatic animals) is horrendous and we NEED to do better.
There is current outrage over the Company 'Canadian Goose,' and more and more it's being revealed that canine by-products is contributing to the manufacturing of these "designer" items. We will wake up and be angry at the murder of canines, but we will shrug and claim it's okay when countless sheep and pigs and chickens are tortured for our "convenience."
If dogs deserve compassion ALL OTHER ANIMALS deserve compassion.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8670400
If dogs deserve compassion ALL OTHER ANIMALS deserve compassion.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8670400
Posted by MagicMonaThe truth is inconvenient, isn't it? Are your feelings hurt? I won't apologize for being driven to stand up for those without a voice. I will not pander to spare your feelings. I am speaking TRUTH.Posted by LillyPetaltoo preachy a response. i am not the government, big company, or sweatshops. i have nothing to do with their practices. i need shoes, clothes, and food, just like we all do. in the dead of winter, no one is going to stop and think, hmm how did they make these shoes? ppl are going to buy shoes and keep moving. the dead animals on my feet cannot and will not be brought back to life. it is too late. just like it's too late for all the dead animals that ppl consume daily. if you dont partake, good for you. but not all of us share your intense views. im not trying to be rude, but you come off as really really preachy and bleeding heart. besides, ppl do what they want. you cant tell the numerous amount of Ugg wearing girls and guys to return them and not to wear them. if they like it, they will continue, despite your pleas. live according to your beliefs, but dont force them on others. im not tossing my Uggs. i cant promise if i dont see another cute pair that i wont buy them.Posted by MagicMonaIt's all about moving forward. "Too late, I already ate cows" - no. It's never too late. It's about the FUTURE and FUTURE decisions based on what you NOW know. No one can be blamed for actions they have committed in ignorance - myself included, you included.
too late. already own 2 pair. the typical dino looking pair, and an actual boot with the inside fur weatherproof pair. my feet never sweat or smell in them. wear socks with shoes and you dont have this problem.
my thing with this is, when you need shoes, you need shoes. you dont think of how they are made. you're thinking of keeping your feet warm and dry, and slip proof during the winter. i didn't bother to research, nor did i choose them because of brand. i saw what stuck out to me, and bought them.
animals have always died to sustain man. native americans have always used animals to survive. the only difference is we only killed what we needed. we prayed for the animals' spirits, and gave thanks for their sacrifices. and we used ALL of the animal. nothing was wasted.
Everyone is guilty of buying thoughtlessly with nothing but: it's pretty/it's fashionable/it's the first thing I saw/it's less expensive/it's more expensive/it's easy/I didn't think, etc.
More and more the truth is coming out and the question is - now that you KNOW and ignorance isn't an excuse, what are you willing to give up to do your part in reducing animal suffering and reducing support for corporations.
It is irresponsible to buy things without looking into what industry you are supporting - whether the industry is guilty of exploiting animals or exploitating human beings. That is the common mindset and it must change.
"animals have always died to sustain man. native americans have always used animals to survive. the only difference is we only killed what we needed. we prayed for the animals' spirits, and gave thanks for their sacrifices. and we used ALL of the animal. nothing was wasted."
^^^That is a MAJOR MAJOR difference! There is nothing natural about our current system. It isn't even about survival - it's about greed (for corporations), exclusivity (for consumers - look, I have the expensive Uggs!, or the easy way out (considering ethical production is toooo inconvenient for me, it's easier to just buy what I like.) Other animals living a natural life style do not destroy what their lives depend on. They take what they NEED and they honor the planet and the animals. We pluck animals ALIVE so that we can have feathers adorne our clothes when we can
We all need to be held accountable. We are taking MORE than what we need and we are causing unnecessary TORMENT and PAIN to these animals. Shearing shouldn't cause animals pain, but it does when you have tired/frustrated people who know NOTHING about animal well-fare recklessly shearing the skin off of these sheep because they want to feed the greedy machine, and the industry doesn't have the compassion to at least provide veterinary care because that would cost them money.
People often use that excuse of the "food chain" and "nature," but what about arriving I also insemination is natural? What about HGH is natural? What about sawing off beaks of chickens so that you can cram them into tiny cages is natural? What is natural about beating a seal or foxnover the head for skin you don't need to stay warm because you have a house is natural? What part about drinking the milk of another species when you are an adult - natural? What is natural about killing the calf so that we can drink the mother's milk, instead? What is natural about grinding up male chicks alive because they are useless to the egg insisted - natural? It's wholly UNNATURAL, but we have been brainwashed into thinking it's okay.
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As a consumer, we vote with our DOLLARS. WE have the power - not the corporations that cannot run without our support.
"in the dead of winter, no one is going to stop and think, hmm how did they make these shoes? "
^^^ Really? "No one"? I DO. And so do others.
"ppl do what they want. you cant tell the numerous amount of Ugg wearing girls and guys to return them and not to wear them"
^^^ Where did I ask that they return them? I ask that now that they are armed with the truth, they must consider it the next time they spend hundred dollars or more on a pair of shoes.
"live according to your beliefs, but dont force them on others. im not tossing my Uggs. i cant promise if i dont see another cute pair that i wont buy them. "
^^^WHERE did I ask that you toss them? Your mind is in the past, I am looking toward the FUTURR. It's about FUTURE decisions. Lies are being spread CONSTANTLY through media because those lies make money. Did you have a choice to be vegan growing up? No? Because other people's beliefs were FORCED on you. Jut like they were mine. I don't blame my parents, because the same was true for them.
You are misled if you claim that people cannot change their minds. I have. Others have. CHANGE can happen. You are wrong in saying it cannot make a difference. I have made a difference in my life thanks to others who reached the truth before I did. And I will pass this truth on to my children one day, and they their children - it makes a whole world of a difference, even if it is for one animal.
You are also misled if you think past actions cannot be adjusted and changed. Mine have, and they continue to.
"just like it's too late for all the dead animals that ppl consume daily. if you dont partake, good for you. "
^^^ Cognitive dissonance - that moment when what you believe to be true is challenged. I have been there. It's not about ego - it's bigger than that,
People CAN change and people CAN make a difference.
@MagicMona
Can you stomach to watch the truth behind how your shoes are made?
Can you stomach to watch the truth behind how your shoes are made?
Posted by MontgomeryI come from a culture that uses animal products. I ask that people not support corporations and shop local, instead.
Ok... just to know where you're coming from--
If they did it humanely, would it make a
difference?
For me, that is what sets one company apart
from another-- but I have no problem with eating
meat or wearing leather.
Some people believe that its wrong to use
anything derived from animals, regardless.
While I don't agree with using ANY animal products (because I fear that if I wear leather from a local farmer who raised the animals humanely and uses leather as not to waste) - most people won't consider how it is sourced and, instead, may go out to buy a leather jacket because they think it looks cool and may have gotten the idea from me, when their jacket was created inhumanely.
Also, most things we consume from mainstream supermarkets haven't been ethically sourced (even much of what claimed to be "organic" or "free range." ) We are far removed from what our ancestors have done.
There is an ingregious lack of balance. People claim "in moderation," but very few live by it and most go on to monetarily support corporate machines that disregard it completley in lieu of profit.
Most DEFINIELY there is a difference between that 'Burger King' meat and that of the kind bought from your local farmer whom you know. Some believe that there is no difference, but I do. It takes small steps to make a change. No one will wake up being veg, it takes work and it takes patience. I was a pescatarian (I ate seafood) for three years before I became full vegetarian. I eat dairy (from local farmers) as a way to mentally train myself to be more selective, in hope that I will give it all up altogether some day. It's tricky getting local diary, so I sometimes have to go without.
Personally, I have no desire to eat animal products or wear them because it's 2017, and I can survive without it. I am not interested in animal suffering so I can keep up with the trends or my taste buds.
All I ask is that we all take responsibility and consume with consciousness.
Posted by MagicMonaNot your eldersPosted by LillyPetalyes i can. i've watched my elders hunt, skin, and process animals to make all kinds of goods. i can and have stomached that without blinking. now can you?
@MagicMona
Can you stomach to watch the truth behind how your shoes are made?click to expand
CORPORATE "farms"
The ones that make those UGGs you claim to not buy because they are fashionable - but because they are a "necessity" to you only to then, in a later response to me, say that you may buy a another pair (that you don't need) because they are "cute."
Posted by VageenkaGo easy on yourself. The fact that you can face yourself with honestly, as corny as that sounds, is one of the MOST important steps. I have gone through it, and I still continue to go through it. Questioning what we've been taught and made to believe is both emotionally and mentally exhausting and even painful.
I despise people so much. How could they do this to animals?
I'm a hypocrite though because I consume dairy products and I LOVE leather.
I seriously need to change immediately
You will make your change because you desire to. For example, perhaps but second-hand leather instead of new leather. Also, try being really snobby about the diary you eat - for example, no fast-food cheese, but more of the expensive, organic kind. Or have one vegan day of the week.?
It's incredible how the internal dialogue changes once to really THINK about what you're buying. Reading labels is difficult at the start, but then you learn to know what you are looking for. Plus, apps are making the job easier. Sometimes, I read a label looking for animal products, but then I find all of these hard-to-pronounce chemicals that I don't want to eat, either.
Thank you for your comment! ??
Posted by MagicMonaWe do not need them to survive. Much like we don't need fossil fuels to produce energy.
it might sound careless and selfish on my part, but these are the modern days. no longer do we live in primitive days when we had to raise animals to survive. we can buy clothes fast and easy without having to hunt, skin, and process animals for clothing. the dirty work is done for us now. my tribe has been using animals since they roamed the earth. so i cannot look at companies and condemn them for doing the same. granted, we didnt force feed, torture, nor mass produce goods. but we did kill, eat, and use animals. we drank the fresh blood of a fresh kill to ingest the spirit of the animal and to celebrate a victorious hunt. we used their bones and hooves for weapons and tools. we needed them to survive.
i dont agree with the torture of the animals. but i cannot look down at others for using animals to survive, even now. we still need them to survive. there are more people than before, constantly reproducing at fast rates. mass production does make sense. not everyone is going to like it, but that's how it is.
It is not about looking down on anyone. The truth is the truth. Just because it contradicts personal beliefs does not make it wrong. Corporations do not deserve our respect. Most will do anything for profit, including selling us food they KNOW will make us sick.
Why give them money when companies like Monsanto (please do research on them!) are absolutely KILLING small/local farms and businesses.
There is nothing wrong with re-thinking what we believe and have been taught. It is our DUTY to.
Also, did you know that more than half of crops produced in third-world countries where people literally die of STARVATION goes to feeding live-stock for the richer nations? Please do you research - a meat-based diet is NOT efficient!
Posted by MagicMona"im fixed in my beliefs, just like you are. my thing is whining and yelling solves nothing."Posted by LillyPetalLord Jesus, here we go. you're the one who sounds like they are losing their shit because animals die like they always have, but MY feelings are hurt? ok, LP. take it however you want. you dont make me uncomfortable. im fixed in my beliefs, just like you are. my thing is whining and yelling solves nothing. instead of wishing my feelings were hurt, shouldn't you be picketing somewhere in front of someone's business? trying to make them stop what they have always done? fur is murder and all that jazz? yell at them. dont yell at me. at the end of the day, i will still rock my Uggs, eat my meat, and thank the animals for sustaining me while feeling no guilt. i'm kind to the living animals. the dead ones, can't do anything about and i refuse to feel bad about it. take it how you want. got a porterhouse with my name on it.Posted by MagicMonaThe truth is inconvenient, isn't it? Are your feelings hurt? I won't apologize for being driven to stand up for those without a voice. I will not pander to spare your feelings. I am speaking TRUTH.Posted by LillyPetaltoo preachy a response. i am not the government, big company, or sweatshops. i have nothing to do with their practices. i need shoes, clothes, and food, just like we all do. in the dead of winter, no one is going to stop and think, hmm how did they make these shoes? ppl are going to buy shoes and keep moving. the dead animals on my feet cannot and will not be brought back to life. it is too late. just like it's too late for all the dead animals that ppl consume daily. if you dont partake, good for you. but not all of us share your intense views. im not trying to be rude, but you come off as really really preachy and bleeding heart. besides, ppl do what they want. you cant tell the numerous amount of Ugg wearing girls and guys to return them and not to wear them. if they like it, they will continue, despite your pleas. live according to your beliefs, but dont force them on others. im not tossing my Uggs. i cant promise if i dont see another cute pair that i wont buy them.Posted by MagicMonaIt's all about moving forward. "Too late, I already ate cows" - no. It's never too late. It's about the FUTURE and FUTURE decisions based on what you NOW know. No one can be blamed for actions they have committed in ignorance - myself included, you included.
too late. already own 2 pair. the typical dino looking pair, and an actual boot with the inside fur weatherproof pair. my feet never sweat or smell in them. wear socks with shoes and you dont have this problem.
my thing with this is, when you need shoes, you need shoes. you dont think of how they are made. you're thinking of keeping your feet warm and dry, and slip proof during the winter. i didn't bother to research, nor did i choose them because of brand. i saw what stuck out to me, and bought them.
animals have always died to sustain man. native americans have always used animals to survive. the only difference is we only killed what we needed. we prayed for the animals' spirits, and gave thanks for their sacrifices. and we used ALL of the animal. nothing was wasted.
Everyone is guilty of buying thoughtlessly with nothing but: it's pretty/it's fashionable/it's the first thing I saw/it's less expensive/it's more expensive/it's easy/I didn't think, etc.
More and more the truth is coming out and the question is - now that you KNOW and ignorance isn't an excuse, what are you willing to give up to do your part in reducing animal suffering and reducing support for corporations.
It is irresponsible to buy things without looking into what industry you are supporting - whether the industry is guilty of exploiting animals or exploitating human beings. That is the common mindset and it must change.
"animals have always died to sustain man. native americans have always used animals to survive. the only difference is we only killed what we needed. we prayed for the animals' spirits, and gave thanks for their sacrifices. and we used ALL of the animal. nothing was wasted."
^^^That is a MAJOR MAJOR difference! There is nothing natural about our current system. It isn't even about survival - it's about greed (for corporations), exclusivity (for consumers - look, I have the expensive Uggs!, or the easy way out (considering ethical production is toooo inconvenient for me, it's easier to just buy what I like.) Other animals living a natural life style do not destroy what their lives depend on. They take what they NEED and they honor the planet and the animals. We pluck animals ALIVE so that we can have feathers adorne our clothes when we can
We all need to be held accountable. We are taking MORE than what we need and we are causing unnecessary TORMENT and PAIN to these animals. Shearing shouldn't cause animals pain, but it does when you have tired/frustrated people who know NOTHING about animal well-fare recklessly shearing the skin off of these sheep because they want to feed the greedy machine, and the industry doesn't have the compassion to at least provide veterinary care because that would cost them money.
People often use that excuse of the "food chain" and "nature," but what about arriving I also insemination is natural? What about HGH is natural? What about sawing off beaks of chickens so that you can cram them into tiny cages is natural? What is natural about beating a seal or foxnover the head for skin you don't need to stay warm because you have a house is natural? What part about drinking the milk of another species when you are an adult - natural? What is natural about killing the calf so that we can drink the mother's milk, instead? What is natural about grinding up male chicks alive because they are useless to the egg insisted - natural? It's wholly UNNATURAL, but we have been brainwashed into thinking it's okay.
As a consumer, we vote with our DOLLARS. WE have the power - not the corporations that cannot run without our support.
"in the dead of winter, no one is going to stop and think, hmm how did they make these shoes? "
^^^ Really? "No one"? I DO. And so do others.
"ppl do what they want. you cant tell the numerous amount of Ugg wearing girls and guys to return them and not to wear them"
^^^ Where did I ask that they return them? I ask that now that they are armed with the truth, they must consider it the next time they spend hundred dollars or more on a pair of shoes.
"live according to your beliefs, but dont force them on others. im not tossing my Uggs. i cant promise if i dont see another cute pair that i wont buy them. "
^^^WHERE did I ask that you toss them? Your mind is in the last, I am looking toward the FUTURR. It's about FUTURE decisions.
You are misled if you claim that people cannot change their minds. I have. Others have. CHANGE can happen. You are wrong in saying it cannot make a difference. I have made a difference in my life thanks to others who reached the truth before I did. And I will pass this truth on to my children one day, and they their children - it makes a whole world of a difference, even if it is for one animal.
You are also misled if you think past actions cannot be adjusted and changed. Mine have, and they continue to.
"just like it's too late for all the dead animals that ppl consume daily. if you dont partake, good for you. "
^^^ Cognitive dissonance - that moment when what you believe to be true is challenged. I have been there. It's not about ego - it's bigger than that,
People CAN change and people CAN make a difference.click to expand
Again, a false assumption: I have CHANGED my beliefs. I ate meat for my whole life until I learned the truth and chose to struggle through sacrifice. Your belief people cannot change is simply not true. Why is it that when someone speaks the inconvenient truth, people try and diminish their message by claiming they are "whining"? Were civil rights activists "whining" too? Are the native Americans protesting the DAPL "whining" too? Any kind of CHANGE that has come about has occurred because people SPOKE OUT and voted with their money.
"i'm kind to the living animals."
In your other response you admitted that corporations mistreat and torture their animals. How, then, are you "kind to living animals" when you pay other people to torture and murder them for you?
Posted by TheLibraMudraDoing something because we "like" it is too easy. This has to go beyond that.
I like eggs
And cheese
And fish
But no more meat meat
But I can't wait for dat meat meat meat.
In other news, I will sometimes eat eggs. My boyfriend's family raises chickens, and they will lay many eggs over the spring. Chickens are actually pretty great. I never knew chickens can have the personalities they do. :3
Posted by TheLibraMudraYeah, sometimes I want to give up because people will give me food and wonder why I won't eat it. It is definitely a struggle and, where I currently live, meat is what most of them know. It is encouraging to see vegan options in supermarkets and restaurants, so business ARE noticing. Veganism is definitely not something one should just jump into. I am learning all kinds of things about nutrition, whole carbs, and all of that jazz. It's good work.Posted by LillyPetalYea, I still like them LOL. I tried doing the vegan thing. Not for me. The passion people have behind it is admirable, though.Posted by TheLibraMudraDoing something because we "like" it is too easy. This has to go beyond that.
I like eggs
And cheese
And fish
But no more meat meat
But I can't wait for dat meat meat meat.
In other news, I will sometimes eat eggs. My boyfriend's family raises chickens, and they will lay many eggs over the spring.
I agree those things are ugly as fuck. My mom bought me a pair for Xmas many years ago. They're still in the box never worn deep in the abyss of shoe boxes within my Libran closet.
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I have my moments when I don't quite make the right decision. It's all about the intention and the process.
?? Three cheers for your Libran sense of style . It's doubly awesome because it just so happens to be the right choice - animal rights wise. I thought they were ugly long before I was of the mindset I am now. Tiz and I used to knock 'em, lol
Cheers! Thanks for stopping by!
Posted by MagicMonaDo you know anything about economics?Posted by LillyPetali dont pay them to murder them for me. they dont know me when they kill the animals. i buy what i want/need and keep it moving. let's not get silly now.Posted by MagicMona"im fixed in my beliefs, just like you are. my thing is whining and yelling solves nothing."Posted by LillyPetalLord Jesus, here we go. you're the one who sounds like they are losing their shit because animals die like they always have, but MY feelings are hurt? ok, LP. take it however you want. you dont make me uncomfortable. im fixed in my beliefs, just like you are. my thing is whining and yelling solves nothing. instead of wishing my feelings were hurt, shouldn't you be picketing somewhere in front of someone's business? trying to make them stop what they have always done? fur is murder and all that jazz? yell at them. dont yell at me. at the end of the day, i will still rock my Uggs, eat my meat, and thank the animals for sustaining me while feeling no guilt. i'm kind to the living animals. the dead ones, can't do anything about and i refuse to feel bad about it. take it how you want. got a porterhouse with my name on it.Posted by MagicMonaThe truth is inconvenient, isn't it? Are your feelings hurt? I won't apologize for being driven to stand up for those without a voice. I will not pander to spare your feelings. I am speaking TRUTH.Posted by LillyPetaltoo preachy a response. i am not the government, big company, or sweatshops. i have nothing to do with their practices. i need shoes, clothes, and food, just like we all do. in the dead of winter, no one is going to stop and think, hmm how did they make these shoes? ppl are going to buy shoes and keep moving. the dead animals on my feet cannot and will not be brought back to life. it is too late. just like it's too late for all the dead animals that ppl consume daily. if you dont partake, good for you. but not all of us share your intense views. im not trying to be rude, but you come off as really really preachy and bleeding heart. besides, ppl do what they want. you cant tell the numerous amount of Ugg wearing girls and guys to return them and not to wear them. if they like it, they will continue, despite your pleas. live according to your beliefs, but dont force them on others. im not tossing my Uggs. i cant promise if i dont see another cute pair that i wont buy them.Posted by MagicMonaIt's all about moving forward. "Too late, I already ate cows" - no. It's never too late. It's about the FUTURE and FUTURE decisions based on what you NOW know. No one can be blamed for actions they have committed in ignorance - myself included, you included.
too late. already own 2 pair. the typical dino looking pair, and an actual boot with the inside fur weatherproof pair. my feet never sweat or smell in them. wear socks with shoes and you dont have this problem.
my thing with this is, when you need shoes, you need shoes. you dont think of how they are made. you're thinking of keeping your feet warm and dry, and slip proof during the winter. i didn't bother to research, nor did i choose them because of brand. i saw what stuck out to me, and bought them.
animals have always died to sustain man. native americans have always used animals to survive. the only difference is we only killed what we needed. we prayed for the animals' spirits, and gave thanks for their sacrifices. and we used ALL of the animal. nothing was wasted.
Everyone is guilty of buying thoughtlessly with nothing but: it's pretty/it's fashionable/it's the first thing I saw/it's less expensive/it's more expensive/it's easy/I didn't think, etc.
More and more the truth is coming out and the question is - now that you KNOW and ignorance isn't an excuse, what are you willing to give up to do your part in reducing animal suffering and reducing support for corporations.
It is irresponsible to buy things without looking into what industry you are supporting - whether the industry is guilty of exploiting animals or exploitating human beings. That is the common mindset and it must change.
"animals have always died to sustain man. native americans have always used animals to survive. the only difference is we only killed what we needed. we prayed for the animals' spirits, and gave thanks for their sacrifices. and we used ALL of the animal. nothing was wasted."
^^^That is a MAJOR MAJOR difference! There is nothing natural about our current system. It isn't even about survival - it's about greed (for corporations), exclusivity (for consumers - look, I have the expensive Uggs!, or the easy way out (considering ethical production is toooo inconvenient for me, it's easier to just buy what I like.) Other animals living a natural life style do not destroy what their lives depend on. They take what they NEED and they honor the planet and the animals. We pluck animals ALIVE so that we can have feathers adorne our clothes when we can
We all need to be held accountable. We are taking MORE than what we need and we are causing unnecessary TORMENT and PAIN to these animals. Shearing shouldn't cause animals pain, but it does when you have tired/frustrated people who know NOTHING about animal well-fare recklessly shearing the skin off of these sheep because they want to feed the greedy machine, and the industry doesn't have the compassion to at least provide veterinary care because that would cost them money.
People often use that excuse of the "food chain" and "nature," but what about arriving I also insemination is natural? What about HGH is natural? What about sawing off beaks of chickens so that you can cram them into tiny cages is natural? What is natural about beating a seal or foxnover the head for skin you don't need to stay warm because you have a house is natural? What part about drinking the milk of another species when you are an adult - natural? What is natural about killing the calf so that we can drink the mother's milk, instead? What is natural about grinding up male chicks alive because they are useless to the egg insisted - natural? It's wholly UNNATURAL, but we have been brainwashed into thinking it's okay.
As a consumer, we vote with our DOLLARS. WE have the power - not the corporations that cannot run without our support.
"in the dead of winter, no one is going to stop and think, hmm how did they make these shoes? "
^^^ Really? "No one"? I DO. And so do others.
"ppl do what they want. you cant tell the numerous amount of Ugg wearing girls and guys to return them and not to wear them"
^^^ Where did I ask that they return them? I ask that now that they are armed with the truth, they must consider it the next time they spend hundred dollars or more on a pair of shoes.
"live according to your beliefs, but dont force them on others. im not tossing my Uggs. i cant promise if i dont see another cute pair that i wont buy them. "
^^^WHERE did I ask that you toss them? Your mind is in the last, I am looking toward the FUTURR. It's about FUTURE decisions.
You are misled if you claim that people cannot change their minds. I have. Others have. CHANGE can happen. You are wrong in saying it cannot make a difference. I have made a difference in my life thanks to others who reached the truth before I did. And I will pass this truth on to my children one day, and they their children - it makes a whole world of a difference, even if it is for one animal.
You are also misled if you think past actions cannot be adjusted and changed. Mine have, and they continue to.
"just like it's too late for all the dead animals that ppl consume daily. if you dont partake, good for you. "
^^^ Cognitive dissonance - that moment when what you believe to be true is challenged. I have been there. It's not about ego - it's bigger than that,
People CAN change and people CAN make a difference.
Again, a false assumption: I have CHANGED my beliefs. I ate meat for my whole life until I learned the truth and chose to struggle through sacrifice. Your belief people cannot change is simply not true. Why is it that when someone speaks the inconvenient truth, people try and diminish their message by claiming they are "whining"? Were civil rights activists "whining" too? Are the native Americans protesting the DAPL "whining" too? Any kind of CHANGE that has come about has occurred because people SPOKE OUT and voted with their money.
"i'm kind to the living animals."
In your other response you admitted that corporations mistreat and torture their animals. How, then, are you "kind to living animals" when you pay other people to torture and murder them for you?click to expand
Posted by MagicMonaFirst of all - this is MY thread. I created it to talk about the things that are important to me. No one FORCED you to come into my thread and read my opinions.
ppl like you love to tell others how wrong they are. when did i say you cant make a difference? some animals will be kept alive; we dont want them to face extinction totally. others are bred for the sole purpose of being sacrificed for goods. this is nothing new. Native Americans are used to this. if we can find a peaceful balance, why cant bleeding hearts? NO animals should die? then man would have died a long time ago. you're going crazy with this thing. i think you're getting angrier at the fact that i dont agree instead of having actual anger that animals die. i believe each to his own. not what you're doing. i'm not forcing my ways or beliefs on you. i'm not going to let you force yours on me. people dont buy goods for the reason you list. i never bought Uggs to say 'look at the expensive shoes i have'. i bought them because i needed a good winter boot.
if you're really humane, tell ppl not to buy Timberlands either, since that tree on the side was the tree they lynched slaves on. they were made by a racist. let's rally for all rights, not just animal.
what are you doing to stop all of this? besides ranting here?
Second of all - you clearly just aren't getting it. You are spinning in circles and are not telling me anything new from what you already said.
Do you know how ignorant it is to tell someone to fight for another cause simply because they are fighting for a specific one? I have chosen animal rights, you are more than welcome to champion a cause of your own. Either add to the good, or get the hell out of the way. If a woman is fighting for her rights to vote, it makes zeros sense to tell them - "well, your votes in your country are cast on paper, if you're so concerned with you right to vote, you should be fighting for the environment, too!"
Also, you were the one who went from saying "but I NEED Uggs to survive!" To "if they are cute, I will buy another pair." You're tripping over your own hypocrisy simply because you came into my thread wanting to fight.
The very fact that you claim I said that no animals should die is proof that you are not paying attention to what I am saying and are merely jumping to disagree.
Your responses are getting more and more senseless. As I said, no one forced you to be here. I will be more than glad if you stopped posting on my thread.
Posted by LillyPetalI love your passion. I picture you protesting in the streets in the 60's. Awareness is needed.
There is current outrage over the Company 'Canadian Goose,' and more and more it's being revealed that canine by-products is contributing to the manufacturing of these "designer" items. We will wake up and be angry at the murder of canines, but we will shrug and claim it's okay when countless sheep and pigs and chickens are tortured for our "convenience."
If dogs deserve compassion ALL OTHER ANIMALS deserve compassion.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8670400
Posted by SeraphlightABSOLUTELY!
I don't have any. But you can get cruelty free ones. I love boots.
Finally! Someone who gets it.
This isn't about "don't ever buy any boot ever!" This is about "buy boots that aren't from a company that torments animals."
It's very simple. That is what my message is.
Posted by LunabeeThank you so much!Posted by LillyPetalI love your passion. I picture you protesting in the streets in the 60's. Awareness is needed.
There is current outrage over the Company 'Canadian Goose,' and more and more it's being revealed that canine by-products is contributing to the manufacturing of these "designer" items. We will wake up and be angry at the murder of canines, but we will shrug and claim it's okay when countless sheep and pigs and chickens are tortured for our "convenience."
If dogs deserve compassion ALL OTHER ANIMALS deserve compassion.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8670400
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My parents were the ones protesting in the 60s. My father was away at Vietnam while my mother was at home protesting the war. They also protested along with the civil rights movement.
I suppose they have raised me to stand up for what I believe in.
It is becoming a thing to have cruelty-free options. All I ask is that we strive for them and not buy into the cruelty and lies of corporations. ??
Posted by LillyPetalIs it even possible to eat meat and still want to preserve animal rights?Posted by LunabeeThank you so much!Posted by LillyPetalI love your passion. I picture you protesting in the streets in the 60's. Awareness is needed.
There is current outrage over the Company 'Canadian Goose,' and more and more it's being revealed that canine by-products is contributing to the manufacturing of these "designer" items. We will wake up and be angry at the murder of canines, but we will shrug and claim it's okay when countless sheep and pigs and chickens are tortured for our "convenience."
If dogs deserve compassion ALL OTHER ANIMALS deserve compassion.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8670400
My parents were the ones protesting in the 60s. My father was away at Vietnam while my mother was at home protesting the war. They also protested along with the civil rights movement.
I suppose they have raised me to stand up for what I believe in.
It is becoming a thing to have cruelty-free options. All I ask is that we strive for them and not buy into the cruelty and lies of corporations. ??click to expand
Looooong time ago my daughter want those boots. I was repulsed but gave it to her!
Later I loved it and wore it myself.
Then we've got moccasins and stuff...
Who cares about animals?
They kill each other!
I've lost 75lb and wearing other boots made of other amimals...
Let's go naked and be sorry for cabbage heads because for making soup you have to cut the head!
Stupid people! Cows crying at the slouther house? Set them free and put McD out of business!
Later I loved it and wore it myself.
Then we've got moccasins and stuff...
Who cares about animals?
They kill each other!
I've lost 75lb and wearing other boots made of other amimals...
Let's go naked and be sorry for cabbage heads because for making soup you have to cut the head!
Stupid people! Cows crying at the slouther house? Set them free and put McD out of business!
Posted by LunabeeGreat question, it is one that I struggle with constantly as my family is meat-eating as is my Capricorn's family. My personal answer (today, as it may change or not) is: "Yes. It can be possible"Posted by LillyPetalIs it even possible to eat meat and still want to preserve animal rights?Posted by LunabeeThank you so much!Posted by LillyPetalI love your passion. I picture you protesting in the streets in the 60's. Awareness is needed.
There is current outrage over the Company 'Canadian Goose,' and more and more it's being revealed that canine by-products is contributing to the manufacturing of these "designer" items. We will wake up and be angry at the murder of canines, but we will shrug and claim it's okay when countless sheep and pigs and chickens are tortured for our "convenience."
If dogs deserve compassion ALL OTHER ANIMALS deserve compassion.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8670400
My parents were the ones protesting in the 60s. My father was away at Vietnam while my mother was at home protesting the war. They also protested along with the civil rights movement.
I suppose they have raised me to stand up for what I believe in.
It is becoming a thing to have cruelty-free options. All I ask is that we strive for them and not buy into the cruelty and lies of corporations. ??
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While I have personally chosen to not eat meat, and I am striving towards no dairy, I know that it is impossible for people to quit meat altogether.
That is why I believe in supporting our local farmers as they are operating on a much smaller scale. Many of them care for their animals, unlike corporate monsters.
By telling people that they are hypocrites if they truly buy locally raised and humanely treated meat - we are alienating a group of people who have their heart in the right place and may be an assist in raising consumer awareness.
So, if an animals is living a humane and quality life before being humanely slaughtered (an oxymoron, if I be ever read one), in my opinion, that is ten times more ethical than getting supermarket/fast food meat where governmental regulation is practically non-existent. Take Mona's comments, she consisted brings up Native American culture as a way to justify the use of animals - where I disagree with her is when she claims that the Native American life style and the corporate greedy methods - are comparable. They absolutely are not.
What do you think? Is it even possibly to eat meat and still want to preserve animal rights?
Posted by GemitatiAre you seriously worried about McD's?
Looooong time ago my daughter want those boots. I was repulsed but gave it to her!
Later I loved it and wore it myself.
Then we've got moccasins and stuff...
Who cares about animals?
They kill each other!
I've lost 75lb and wearing other boots made of other amimals...
Let's go naked and be sorry for cabbage heads because for making soup you have to cut the head!
Stupid people! Cows crying at the slouther house? Set them free and put McD out of business!
You need to read through the thread because you are clearly not on the same page as what the conversation is. And are you seriously comparing cabbage, which has no neevous system, to cows? Who have been known to cry and even hide their young (which they carry for 9/months the way human mothers do) from being stolen from them?
GTFO with your trolling ass.
Posted by LillyPetalWell like you said, if an animal was able to live it's life humanely (aka naturally) then it's slaughter would be less torturous.. i think if people lived a little more natural, they'd actually go hunting in a hunter gatherer type situation. Kill an animal for survival.Posted by LunabeeGreat question, it is one that I struggle with constantly as my family is meat-eating as is my Capricorn's family. My personal answer (today, as it may change or not) is: "Yes. It can be possible"Posted by LillyPetalIs it even possible to eat meat and still want to preserve animal rights?Posted by LunabeeThank you so much!Posted by LillyPetalI love your passion. I picture you protesting in the streets in the 60's. Awareness is needed.
There is current outrage over the Company 'Canadian Goose,' and more and more it's being revealed that canine by-products is contributing to the manufacturing of these "designer" items. We will wake up and be angry at the murder of canines, but we will shrug and claim it's okay when countless sheep and pigs and chickens are tortured for our "convenience."
If dogs deserve compassion ALL OTHER ANIMALS deserve compassion.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8670400
My parents were the ones protesting in the 60s. My father was away at Vietnam while my mother was at home protesting the war. They also protested along with the civil rights movement.
I suppose they have raised me to stand up for what I believe in.
It is becoming a thing to have cruelty-free options. All I ask is that we strive for them and not buy into the cruelty and lies of corporations. ??
While I have personally chosen to not eat meat, and I am striving towards no dairy, I know that it is impossible for people to quit meat altogether.
That is why I believe in supporting our local farmers as they are operating on a much smaller scale. Many of them care for their animals, unlike corporate monsters.
By telling people that they are hypocrites if they truly buy locally raised and humanely treated meat - we are alienating a group of people who have their heart in the right place and may be an assist in raising consumer awareness.
So, if an animals is living a humane and quality life before being humanely slaughtered (an oxymoron, if I be ever read one), in my opinion, that is ten times more ethical than getting supermarket/fast food meat where governmental regulation is practically non-existent. Take Moon's comments, she consisted brings up Native American culture as a way to justify the use of animals - where I disagree with her is when she claims that the Native American life style and the corporate greedy methods - are comparable. They absolutely are not.
What do you think? Is it even possibly to eat meat and still want to preserve animal rights?click to expand
It's the mass producing meat industries that concern me. I never liked zoo's because animals are not able to live wildly anymore. It's the companies buying the meat that demand such treatment. How else can they keep their shelves stocked? We as the consumers are greedy. Not to mention wasteful. When was the last time most people picked their own apple, or planted an herb garden?
The only way to preserve life is to cultivate it.
Posted by MagicMonaIt's complacency that's allowing atrocities against animals to be committed.Posted by LillyPetalbooyah! Lilz, Lilly... chill out. not for me, but for the sake of the earth.Posted by MagicMonaFirst of all - this is MY thread. I created it to talk about the things that are important to me. No one FORCED you to come into my thread and read my opinions.
ppl like you love to tell others how wrong they are. when did i say you cant make a difference? some animals will be kept alive; we dont want them to face extinction totally. others are bred for the sole purpose of being sacrificed for goods. this is nothing new. Native Americans are used to this. if we can find a peaceful balance, why cant bleeding hearts? NO animals should die? then man would have died a long time ago. you're going crazy with this thing. i think you're getting angrier at the fact that i dont agree instead of having actual anger that animals die. i believe each to his own. not what you're doing. i'm not forcing my ways or beliefs on you. i'm not going to let you force yours on me. people dont buy goods for the reason you list. i never bought Uggs to say 'look at the expensive shoes i have'. i bought them because i needed a good winter boot.
if you're really humane, tell ppl not to buy Timberlands either, since that tree on the side was the tree they lynched slaves on. they were made by a racist. let's rally for all rights, not just animal.
what are you doing to stop all of this? besides ranting here?
Second of all - you clearly just aren't getting it. You are spinning in circles and are not telling me anything new from what you already said.
Do you know how ignorant it is to tell someone to fight for another cause simply because they are fighting for a specific one? I have chosen animal rights, you are more than welcome to champion a cause of your own. Either add to the good, or get the hell out of the way. If a woman is fighting for her rights to vote, it makes zeros sense to tell them - "well, your votes in your country are cast on paper, if you're so concerned with you right to vote, you should be fighting for the environment, too!"
Also, you were the one who went from saying "but I NEED Uggs to survive!" To "if they are cute, I will buy another pair." You're tripping over your own hypocrisy simply because you came into my thread wanting to fight.
The very fact that you claim I said that no animals should die is proof that you are not paying attention to what I am saying and are merely jumping to disagree.
Your responses are getting more and more senseless. As I said, no one forced you to be here. I will be more than glad if you stopped posting on my thread.
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How about this - I will "chill out" if you grow a level of concern for the problems discussed in this thread and make one change in your weekly habits to try and contribute to fighting those injustices, whether it be having a veg day or cutting off support to a company that is known for engaging in cruelty to animals.
Posted by MagicMonaSo, kindly explain to the class how buying a product produced by a specific company is not a form of supporting that company. Extra credit - name an instance in the past where a company was majorly affected by consumer outrage & the company was forced to change its waysPosted by LillyPetalMajored in economics. I know about exaggerations too.Posted by MagicMonaDo you know anything about economics?Posted by LillyPetali dont pay them to murder them for me. they dont know me when they kill the animals. i buy what i want/need and keep it moving. let's not get silly now.Posted by MagicMona"im fixed in my beliefs, just like you are. my thing is whining and yelling solves nothing."Posted by LillyPetalLord Jesus, here we go. you're the one who sounds like they are losing their shit because animals die like they always have, but MY feelings are hurt? ok, LP. take it however you want. you dont make me uncomfortable. im fixed in my beliefs, just like you are. my thing is whining and yelling solves nothing. instead of wishing my feelings were hurt, shouldn't you be picketing somewhere in front of someone's business? trying to make them stop what they have always done? fur is murder and all that jazz? yell at them. dont yell at me. at the end of the day, i will still rock my Uggs, eat my meat, and thank the animals for sustaining me while feeling no guilt. i'm kind to the living animals. the dead ones, can't do anything about and i refuse to feel bad about it. take it how you want. got a porterhouse with my name on it.Posted by MagicMonaThe truth is inconvenient, isn't it? Are your feelings hurt? I won't apologize for being driven to stand up for those without a voice. I will not pander to spare your feelings. I am speaking TRUTH.Posted by LillyPetaltoo preachy a response. i am not the government, big company, or sweatshops. i have nothing to do with their practices. i need shoes, clothes, and food, just like we all do. in the dead of winter, no one is going to stop and think, hmm how did they make these shoes? ppl are going to buy shoes and keep moving. the dead animals on my feet cannot and will not be brought back to life. it is too late. just like it's too late for all the dead animals that ppl consume daily. if you dont partake, good for you. but not all of us share your intense views. im not trying to be rude, but you come off as really really preachy and bleeding heart. besides, ppl do what they want. you cant tell the numerous amount of Ugg wearing girls and guys to return them and not to wear them. if they like it, they will continue, despite your pleas. live according to your beliefs, but dont force them on others. im not tossing my Uggs. i cant promise if i dont see another cute pair that i wont buy them.Posted by MagicMonaIt's all about moving forward. "Too late, I already ate cows" - no. It's never too late. It's about the FUTURE and FUTURE decisions based on what you NOW know. No one can be blamed for actions they have committed in ignorance - myself included, you included.
too late. already own 2 pair. the typical dino looking pair, and an actual boot with the inside fur weatherproof pair. my feet never sweat or smell in them. wear socks with shoes and you dont have this problem.
my thing with this is, when you need shoes, you need shoes. you dont think of how they are made. you're thinking of keeping your feet warm and dry, and slip proof during the winter. i didn't bother to research, nor did i choose them because of brand. i saw what stuck out to me, and bought them.
animals have always died to sustain man. native americans have always used animals to survive. the only difference is we only killed what we needed. we prayed for the animals' spirits, and gave thanks for their sacrifices. and we used ALL of the animal. nothing was wasted.
Everyone is guilty of buying thoughtlessly with nothing but: it's pretty/it's fashionable/it's the first thing I saw/it's less expensive/it's more expensive/it's easy/I didn't think, etc.
More and more the truth is coming out and the question is - now that you KNOW and ignorance isn't an excuse, what are you willing to give up to do your part in reducing animal suffering and reducing support for corporations.
It is irresponsible to buy things without looking into what industry you are supporting - whether the industry is guilty of exploiting animals or exploitating human beings. That is the common mindset and it must change.
"animals have always died to sustain man. native americans have always used animals to survive. the only difference is we only killed what we needed. we prayed for the animals' spirits, and gave thanks for their sacrifices. and we used ALL of the animal. nothing was wasted."
^^^That is a MAJOR MAJOR difference! There is nothing natural about our current system. It isn't even about survival - it's about greed (for corporations), exclusivity (for consumers - look, I have the expensive Uggs!, or the easy way out (considering ethical production is toooo inconvenient for me, it's easier to just buy what I like.) Other animals living a natural life style do not destroy what their lives depend on. They take what they NEED and they honor the planet and the animals. We pluck animals ALIVE so that we can have feathers adorne our clothes when we can
We all need to be held accountable. We are taking MORE than what we need and we are causing unnecessary TORMENT and PAIN to these animals. Shearing shouldn't cause animals pain, but it does when you have tired/frustrated people who know NOTHING about animal well-fare recklessly shearing the skin off of these sheep because they want to feed the greedy machine, and the industry doesn't have the compassion to at least provide veterinary care because that would cost them money.
People often use that excuse of the "food chain" and "nature," but what about arriving I also insemination is natural? What about HGH is natural? What about sawing off beaks of chickens so that you can cram them into tiny cages is natural? What is natural about beating a seal or foxnover the head for skin you don't need to stay warm because you have a house is natural? What part about drinking the milk of another species when you are an adult - natural? What is natural about killing the calf so that we can drink the mother's milk, instead? What is natural about grinding up male chicks alive because they are useless to the egg insisted - natural? It's wholly UNNATURAL, but we have been brainwashed into thinking it's okay.
As a consumer, we vote with our DOLLARS. WE have the power - not the corporations that cannot run without our support.
"in the dead of winter, no one is going to stop and think, hmm how did they make these shoes? "
^^^ Really? "No one"? I DO. And so do others.
"ppl do what they want. you cant tell the numerous amount of Ugg wearing girls and guys to return them and not to wear them"
^^^ Where did I ask that they return them? I ask that now that they are armed with the truth, they must consider it the next time they spend hundred dollars or more on a pair of shoes.
"live according to your beliefs, but dont force them on others. im not tossing my Uggs. i cant promise if i dont see another cute pair that i wont buy them. "
^^^WHERE did I ask that you toss them? Your mind is in the last, I am looking toward the FUTURR. It's about FUTURE decisions.
You are misled if you claim that people cannot change their minds. I have. Others have. CHANGE can happen. You are wrong in saying it cannot make a difference. I have made a difference in my life thanks to others who reached the truth before I did. And I will pass this truth on to my children one day, and they their children - it makes a whole world of a difference, even if it is for one animal.
You are also misled if you think past actions cannot be adjusted and changed. Mine have, and they continue to.
"just like it's too late for all the dead animals that ppl consume daily. if you dont partake, good for you. "
^^^ Cognitive dissonance - that moment when what you believe to be true is challenged. I have been there. It's not about ego - it's bigger than that,
People CAN change and people CAN make a difference.
Again, a false assumption: I have CHANGED my beliefs. I ate meat for my whole life until I learned the truth and chose to struggle through sacrifice. Your belief people cannot change is simply not true. Why is it that when someone speaks the inconvenient truth, people try and diminish their message by claiming they are "whining"? Were civil rights activists "whining" too? Are the native Americans protesting the DAPL "whining" too? Any kind of CHANGE that has come about has occurred because people SPOKE OUT and voted with their money.
"i'm kind to the living animals."
In your other response you admitted that corporations mistreat and torture their animals. How, then, are you "kind to living animals" when you pay other people to torture and murder them for you?click to expand
Posted by SeraphlightThank you, Seraph!Posted by LillyPetalI understand your fears. One day the world will understand. I promise. An age of enlightenment is coming.Posted by SeraphlightABSOLUTELY!
I don't have any. But you can get cruelty free ones. I love boots.
Finally! Someone who gets it.
This isn't about "don't ever buy any boot ever!" This is about "buy boots that aren't from a company that torments animals."
It's very simple. That is what my message is.
I promise. I can feel it. Keep running towards it. 🙂click to expand
More and more people are discovering the truth. Thank you for those words. ??
Posted by MagicMonaYou eating a steak has nothing to do with this thread.
kinda eating a steak right now..professor, chill out. but never stop fighting.
You really are showing your true colors.
Posted by MagicMonaWhy would you say you're eating steak in a thread about animal rights if for nothing else but to try and bait me?Posted by LillyPetalno. whether or not you're aware, your tone is very combative, negative, and rude. i'm not going to be pulled into a debate with you when you're so emotionally charged. i'm stepping over a big pile. that's what i'm doing.Posted by MagicMonaYou eating a steak has nothing to do with this thread.
kinda eating a steak right now..professor, chill out. but never stop fighting.
You really are showing your true colors.
but please, do go on.click to expand
You have done nothing in this thread but make assumptions about what I believe and compare Native American culture to mainstream, out-of-control capitalism which is the antithesis of what Native American beliefs stand for.
I am not interested in feelings. You are trying to divert my topic into how you perceive me based on black-and-white text on a computer screen. This topic is too important to dwell on pettiness - on whether not I am rude or combative. I am doing my best to clarify my thoughts online, and had you been in front of me, you would see nothing less or more than someone trying to promote awareness.
Again, please don't comment on my thread since you think I'm such a bad person. It's wasting space and distracting from the importance of my message.
Posted by MagicMonaWHERE did I say for people to not eat meat? Your entire argument is based on false assumptions. You are truly just not getting it.Posted by LillyPetalno. i stated i'm eating a steak because i'm not going to bullshit you and pretend that i'm 100% save the earth. i'm not. i enjoy a good steak, deer, lamb, fish, etc. things must die so that we may live. there just has to be a balance so we dont kill everything. kill what you need, yes. i do believe this. i dont live on the rez. i live in the city. it's hard to go back to old ways, and i've gotten comfy with convenience. so if the hard work is already done in order for me to have what i need, then so be it. it's not ethical or right to some, but it is what it is. we've fought for so long to get where? destroyed. i personally, am tired of the fight. i am a consumer, and i admit it. but at least i'm not bullshitting you about it.Posted by MagicMonaWhy would you say you're eating steak in a thread about animal rights if for nothing else but to try and bait me?Posted by LillyPetalno. whether or not you're aware, your tone is very combative, negative, and rude. i'm not going to be pulled into a debate with you when you're so emotionally charged. i'm stepping over a big pile. that's what i'm doing.Posted by MagicMonaYou eating a steak has nothing to do with this thread.
kinda eating a steak right now..professor, chill out. but never stop fighting.
You really are showing your true colors.
but please, do go on.
You have done nothing in this thread but make assumptions about what I believe and compare Native American culture to mainstream, out-of-control capitalism which is the antithesis of what Native American beliefs stand for.
I am not interested in feelings. You are trying to divert my topic into how you perceive me based on black-and-white text on a computer screen. This topic is too important to dwell on pettiness - on whether not in rude or combative. I am doing my best to clarify my thoughts online, and had you been in front of me, you would see nothing less or more than someone trying to promote awareness.
Again, please don't comment on my thread since you think I'm such a bad person. It's wasting space and distracting from the importance of my message.click to expand
Posted by MagicMonaFinally! Some truth! It all makes sense now. All of that back and forth was for nothing. The reason for us not understanding each other was because there was aspects of the truth being hidden. Now that you have clarified yourself, I understand.Posted by LillyPetalno. i stated i'm eating a steak because i'm not going to bullshit you and pretend that i'm 100% save the earth. i'm not. i enjoy a good steak, deer, lamb, fish, etc. things must die so that we may live. there just has to be a balance so we dont kill everything. kill what you need, yes. i do believe this. i dont live on the rez. i live in the city. it's hard to go back to old ways, and i've gotten comfy with convenience. so if the hard work is already done in order for me to have what i need, then so be it. it's not ethical or right to some, but it is what it is. we've fought for so long to get where? destroyed. i personally, am tired of the fight. i am a consumer, and i admit it. but at least i'm not bullshitting you about it.Posted by MagicMonaWhy would you say you're eating steak in a thread about animal rights if for nothing else but to try and bait me?Posted by LillyPetalno. whether or not you're aware, your tone is very combative, negative, and rude. i'm not going to be pulled into a debate with you when you're so emotionally charged. i'm stepping over a big pile. that's what i'm doing.Posted by MagicMonaYou eating a steak has nothing to do with this thread.
kinda eating a steak right now..professor, chill out. but never stop fighting.
You really are showing your true colors.
but please, do go on.
You have done nothing in this thread but make assumptions about what I believe and compare Native American culture to mainstream, out-of-control capitalism which is the antithesis of what Native American beliefs stand for.
I am not interested in feelings. You are trying to divert my topic into how you perceive me based on black-and-white text on a computer screen. This topic is too important to dwell on pettiness - on whether not in rude or combative. I am doing my best to clarify my thoughts online, and had you been in front of me, you would see nothing less or more than someone trying to promote awareness.
Again, please don't comment on my thread since you think I'm such a bad person. It's wasting space and distracting from the importance of my message.click to expand
Thanks for sharing!
Posted by MagicMonaLike I said above, it all makes sense now.Posted by LillyPetalwhere did i say YOU SAID for ppl not to eat meat? you're looking to respond, not comprehend.Posted by MagicMonaWHERE did I say for people to not eat meat? Your entire argument is based on false assumptions. You are truly just not getting it.Posted by LillyPetalno. i stated i'm eating a steak because i'm not going to bullshit you and pretend that i'm 100% save the earth. i'm not. i enjoy a good steak, deer, lamb, fish, etc. things must die so that we may live. there just has to be a balance so we dont kill everything. kill what you need, yes. i do believe this. i dont live on the rez. i live in the city. it's hard to go back to old ways, and i've gotten comfy with convenience. so if the hard work is already done in order for me to have what i need, then so be it. it's not ethical or right to some, but it is what it is. we've fought for so long to get where? destroyed. i personally, am tired of the fight. i am a consumer, and i admit it. but at least i'm not bullshitting you about it.Posted by MagicMonaWhy would you say you're eating steak in a thread about animal rights if for nothing else but to try and bait me?Posted by LillyPetalno. whether or not you're aware, your tone is very combative, negative, and rude. i'm not going to be pulled into a debate with you when you're so emotionally charged. i'm stepping over a big pile. that's what i'm doing.Posted by MagicMonaYou eating a steak has nothing to do with this thread.
kinda eating a steak right now..professor, chill out. but never stop fighting.
You really are showing your true colors.
but please, do go on.
You have done nothing in this thread but make assumptions about what I believe and compare Native American culture to mainstream, out-of-control capitalism which is the antithesis of what Native American beliefs stand for.
I am not interested in feelings. You are trying to divert my topic into how you perceive me based on black-and-white text on a computer screen. This topic is too important to dwell on pettiness - on whether not in rude or combative. I am doing my best to clarify my thoughts online, and had you been in front of me, you would see nothing less or more than someone trying to promote awareness.
Again, please don't comment on my thread since you think I'm such a bad person. It's wasting space and distracting from the importance of my message.
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Thank you for sharing!
Posted by MagicMonaExactly!Posted by LillyPetallike i said. whatever.Posted by MagicMonaLike I said above, it all makes sense now.Posted by LillyPetalwhere did i say YOU SAID for ppl not to eat meat? you're looking to respond, not comprehend.Posted by MagicMonaWHERE did I say for people to not eat meat? Your entire argument is based on false assumptions. You are truly just not getting it.Posted by LillyPetalno. i stated i'm eating a steak because i'm not going to bullshit you and pretend that i'm 100% save the earth. i'm not. i enjoy a good steak, deer, lamb, fish, etc. things must die so that we may live. there just has to be a balance so we dont kill everything. kill what you need, yes. i do believe this. i dont live on the rez. i live in the city. it's hard to go back to old ways, and i've gotten comfy with convenience. so if the hard work is already done in order for me to have what i need, then so be it. it's not ethical or right to some, but it is what it is. we've fought for so long to get where? destroyed. i personally, am tired of the fight. i am a consumer, and i admit it. but at least i'm not bullshitting you about it.Posted by MagicMonaWhy would you say you're eating steak in a thread about animal rights if for nothing else but to try and bait me?Posted by LillyPetalno. whether or not you're aware, your tone is very combative, negative, and rude. i'm not going to be pulled into a debate with you when you're so emotionally charged. i'm stepping over a big pile. that's what i'm doing.Posted by MagicMonaYou eating a steak has nothing to do with this thread.
kinda eating a steak right now..professor, chill out. but never stop fighting.
You really are showing your true colors.
but please, do go on.
You have done nothing in this thread but make assumptions about what I believe and compare Native American culture to mainstream, out-of-control capitalism which is the antithesis of what Native American beliefs stand for.
I am not interested in feelings. You are trying to divert my topic into how you perceive me based on black-and-white text on a computer screen. This topic is too important to dwell on pettiness - on whether not in rude or combative. I am doing my best to clarify my thoughts online, and had you been in front of me, you would see nothing less or more than someone trying to promote awareness.
Again, please don't comment on my thread since you think I'm such a bad person. It's wasting space and distracting from the importance of my message.
Thank you for sharing!click to expand
Cheers
Posted by SeraphlightYour self portrait?
Every sheep was once a ickle bickle little lamb!
Posted by MagicMonaThis is why most of these self proclaimed vegans and vegetarians make me eye roll. Torture, no, but jfc, there's the circle of life. To be a total dipshit and obnoxious "OMG WE CANNOT EAT THEM HOW TERRIBLE!!" is just a fucking stupid mindset. It's also ridiculous that they think their lack of eating meat/using animal products is going to change anything. It's not. If they want to do it for their own conscience, fine. But don't go around thinking it does anything big picture.
it might sound careless and selfish on my part, but these are the modern days. no longer do we live in primitive days when we had to raise animals to survive. we can buy clothes fast and easy without having to hunt, skin, and process animals for clothing. the dirty work is done for us now. my tribe has been using animals since they roamed the earth. so i cannot look at companies and condemn them for doing the same. granted, we didnt force feed, torture, nor mass produce goods. but we did kill, eat, and use animals. we drank the fresh blood of a fresh kill to ingest the spirit of the animal and to celebrate a victorious hunt. we used their bones and hooves for weapons and tools. we needed them to survive.
i dont agree with the torture of the animals. but i cannot look down at others for using animals to survive, even now. we still need them to survive. there are more people than before, constantly reproducing at fast rates. mass production does make sense. not everyone is going to like it, but that's how it is.
@Seraphlight
Sheep who think they're dogs 😄
Sheep who think they're dogs 😄
Posted by rockyroadicecreamHave you read the thread - I feel like my cheeks are turning blue from saying this - I never claimed people shouldn't eat meat. In fact, the title and OP isnt even about it.Posted by MagicMonaThis is why most of these self proclaimed vegans and vegetarians make me eye roll. Torture, no, but jfc, there's the circle of life. To be a total dipshit and obnoxious "OMG WE CANNOT EAT THEM HOW TERRIBLE!!" is just a fucking stupid mindset. It's also ridiculous that they think their lack of eating meat/using animal products is going to change anything. It's not. If they want to do it for their own conscious, fine. But don't go around thinking it does anything big picture.
it might sound careless and selfish on my part, but these are the modern days. no longer do we live in primitive days when we had to raise animals to survive. we can buy clothes fast and easy without having to hunt, skin, and process animals for clothing. the dirty work is done for us now. my tribe has been using animals since they roamed the earth. so i cannot look at companies and condemn them for doing the same. granted, we didnt force feed, torture, nor mass produce goods. but we did kill, eat, and use animals. we drank the fresh blood of a fresh kill to ingest the spirit of the animal and to celebrate a victorious hunt. we used their bones and hooves for weapons and tools. we needed them to survive.
i dont agree with the torture of the animals. but i cannot look down at others for using animals to survive, even now. we still need them to survive. there are more people than before, constantly reproducing at fast rates. mass production does make sense. not everyone is going to like it, but that's how it is.click to expand
That argument is getting tired because you are claiming to understand balance and, yet, you are being extreme in assuming my stance.
And I disagree that it won't make a change. But I'm not interested in changing your mind.
Posted by SeraphlightTHAT HOP! —?Posted by LillyPetal
@Seraphlight
Sheep who think they're dogs 😄
Look!click to expand
Posted by rockyroadicecreamAt the end of the day, if Bush posted a video of abuse to animals - I would still be concerned. To deny the truth of a video simply because I don't agree with the politics of the person who recorded is what is "stupid" and "naive."
Shut up you stupid, naive child. It reeks in just about everything you post here.
I don't give a shit what your point is. The fact that you use PETA as a source says enough. You aren't worth my time.
You won't intimidate me, Rocky. I will continue to express my beliefs. So, no, I will not "shut up,"
A helpful link of companies that do not test on animals, it is constantly being added to and updated:
http://www.crueltyfreekitty.com/cruelty-free-drugstore-brands/
EDIT: Another helpful link. Whether or not you personally like PETA, they are good at contacting companies and providing us with information such as a list of cruelty-free comapnies. When it comes to information, it's always important to take what benefits you and leave the rest:
http://www.peta.org/living/beauty/these-companies-dont-test-on-animals/
http://www.crueltyfreekitty.com/cruelty-free-drugstore-brands/
EDIT: Another helpful link. Whether or not you personally like PETA, they are good at contacting companies and providing us with information such as a list of cruelty-free comapnies. When it comes to information, it's always important to take what benefits you and leave the rest:
http://www.peta.org/living/beauty/these-companies-dont-test-on-animals/
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