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Interesting questions
Strange questions haffo?!!
But first.. why you want to analyse people..??... and what you want to get out of it..??
When you go to the store and see a melon, do you buy it or you taste it before you pay for it..??
Same goes for things around you, you never get a correct answer by analysing people, accept the way they are and learn to live with it is the key for success if you ask me.
Human use logic as a tool to explain things to him/herself and nothing else, like "next time I 'd better not to touch that fiery things cause I get burned and it hurts" this logic is " based upon one's experience and perceptions? ! Now, if this logic is correct then why some people walk of fire without even get burned..??
You can not apply logics on most of the things.
Beside? that logic you are talking about is based on what..?? Personal ideas..?? Scientific values..?? Gallop and opinion values..?? General Ideas..?? Rumour..?? What..??.
Read minds..?? Are you a mind reader too..?? How can you read minds..?? Unless you want to predict their actions by injecting some ideas to their brains and wait to see how they will respond to the ideas..?
Wrong again man? you like to be in control do you??, "my logic says so".
And since you brought "emotions".. may I ask you what is emotion then..?? explain it please..!! as many would admit now and later .. Virgo's does not know emotions.. lol
Now the last one? what do you mean by Aryan people..?? You mean Aryan race..?? What about it..?? and enlighten us with their "goals" you are talking about.
But first.. why you want to analyse people..??... and what you want to get out of it..??
When you go to the store and see a melon, do you buy it or you taste it before you pay for it..??
Same goes for things around you, you never get a correct answer by analysing people, accept the way they are and learn to live with it is the key for success if you ask me.
Human use logic as a tool to explain things to him/herself and nothing else, like "next time I 'd better not to touch that fiery things cause I get burned and it hurts" this logic is " based upon one's experience and perceptions? ! Now, if this logic is correct then why some people walk of fire without even get burned..??
You can not apply logics on most of the things.
Beside? that logic you are talking about is based on what..?? Personal ideas..?? Scientific values..?? Gallop and opinion values..?? General Ideas..?? Rumour..?? What..??.
Read minds..?? Are you a mind reader too..?? How can you read minds..?? Unless you want to predict their actions by injecting some ideas to their brains and wait to see how they will respond to the ideas..?
Wrong again man? you like to be in control do you??, "my logic says so".
And since you brought "emotions".. may I ask you what is emotion then..?? explain it please..!! as many would admit now and later .. Virgo's does not know emotions.. lol
Now the last one? what do you mean by Aryan people..?? You mean Aryan race..?? What about it..?? and enlighten us with their "goals" you are talking about.
I'm gonna go an a LONG limb and guess that by "Arian", you're referring to someone who is an aries. However, it doesn't matter whether you meant "happy spring babies" or "white people", because I'm not sure your example at the end is either true, accurate or relevant.
In regards to your first question: "Should we use logic to understand people and their motives?"
In return, would ask you, is it your goal to understand people, or to judge them?
But just to give you an answer, I'll assume you want to understand people, in which case the answer is, "no."
The problem with solely using logic to assess a situation(or a person) is that logic is not intelligent. Logic can only take facts and a given set of rules in order to arrive at a conclusion.
"Intelligence" is more than just facts, rules and conclusions. Intelligence is described as being aware. So in order to truly understand a person, you have to consider elements that make someone (or something) aware, such as: sound, taste, touch, sight and (oh yes) emotion.
Soooo, logically speaking, since man is intelligent (i.e aware--) then we cannot solely use logic to understand him.
Furthermore-- moving to your 2nd question: "Do I think that by solely using logic, will I know someone else's ultimate goals?"
MMMmmm NOPE.
I think that by solely using logic you disconnect yourself from what makes you intelligent and human.
My example: if you ever get the chance to watch Star Trek the Next Generation , pay close attention to LT. Data. He was a purely logical being-- boundless memory, yet he could not understand the most simplest of human emotion-- laughing, loving, crying. Even something as simple as a paper cut would slip by his sensors because the "idea" of pain totally elluded Mr. Data. Although he could mimic art or music, he could never experience it. Thus, Data could truly understand humans, even though after the full course of the show, he had learned to mimic their behavoir.
HA.. but, my point is, humans cannot be summed by pure logic.
On a side note, haffo-- sounds like you had a rough day. *HUGS*
In regards to your first question: "Should we use logic to understand people and their motives?"
In return, would ask you, is it your goal to understand people, or to judge them?
But just to give you an answer, I'll assume you want to understand people, in which case the answer is, "no."
The problem with solely using logic to assess a situation(or a person) is that logic is not intelligent. Logic can only take facts and a given set of rules in order to arrive at a conclusion.
"Intelligence" is more than just facts, rules and conclusions. Intelligence is described as being aware. So in order to truly understand a person, you have to consider elements that make someone (or something) aware, such as: sound, taste, touch, sight and (oh yes) emotion.
Soooo, logically speaking, since man is intelligent (i.e aware--) then we cannot solely use logic to understand him.
Furthermore-- moving to your 2nd question: "Do I think that by solely using logic, will I know someone else's ultimate goals?"
MMMmmm NOPE.
I think that by solely using logic you disconnect yourself from what makes you intelligent and human.
My example: if you ever get the chance to watch Star Trek the Next Generation , pay close attention to LT. Data. He was a purely logical being-- boundless memory, yet he could not understand the most simplest of human emotion-- laughing, loving, crying. Even something as simple as a paper cut would slip by his sensors because the "idea" of pain totally elluded Mr. Data. Although he could mimic art or music, he could never experience it. Thus, Data could truly understand humans, even though after the full course of the show, he had learned to mimic their behavoir.
HA.. but, my point is, humans cannot be summed by pure logic.
On a side note, haffo-- sounds like you had a rough day. *HUGS*
Oooohhhhh... that Arian....sorry my bad ..😉
Psychology:
The science of the human soul; specifically, the systematic or scientific knowledge of the powers and functions of the human soul, so far as they are known by consciousness; a treatise on the human soul. "Psychology, the science conversant about the phenomena of the mind, or conscious subject, or self." Sir W. Hamilton.
No logic?
The science of the human soul; specifically, the systematic or scientific knowledge of the powers and functions of the human soul, so far as they are known by consciousness; a treatise on the human soul. "Psychology, the science conversant about the phenomena of the mind, or conscious subject, or self." Sir W. Hamilton.
No logic?
Well for one, your definition of psychology neither proves nor disproves any statements written above.
Additionally, you missed the point.
Not saying--> "No logic",
saying --> "Not ONLY logic."
Furthermore, any good psychologists will tell you that although you can use a science to catergorize and label groups of people and their behaviors-- you cannot truly understand a person without getting to know the individual. Everyone is different. Our minds and souls are not ONLY bounded by logic.
Here's an exerpt article I found about emotions and decision making. Essentially, it says that although human use logic to interpret their surroundings, they still need emotion to make overall decisions:
Damasio's research
Neuroscientist Antonio Damasio studied people who had received brain injuries that had had one specific effect: to damage that part of the brain where emotions are generated. In all other respects they seemed normal - they just lost the ability to feel emotions.
The interesting thing he found was that their ability to make decisions was seriously impaired. They could logically describe what they should be doing, in practice they found it very difficult to make decisions about where to live, what to eat, etc.
In particular, many decisions have pros and cons on both sides. Shall I have the fish or the beef? With no rational way to decide, they were unable to make the decision.
Source: http://changingminds.org/explanations/emotions/emotion_decision.htm
Additionally, you missed the point.
Not saying--> "No logic",
saying --> "Not ONLY logic."
Furthermore, any good psychologists will tell you that although you can use a science to catergorize and label groups of people and their behaviors-- you cannot truly understand a person without getting to know the individual. Everyone is different. Our minds and souls are not ONLY bounded by logic.
Here's an exerpt article I found about emotions and decision making. Essentially, it says that although human use logic to interpret their surroundings, they still need emotion to make overall decisions:
Damasio's research
Neuroscientist Antonio Damasio studied people who had received brain injuries that had had one specific effect: to damage that part of the brain where emotions are generated. In all other respects they seemed normal - they just lost the ability to feel emotions.
The interesting thing he found was that their ability to make decisions was seriously impaired. They could logically describe what they should be doing, in practice they found it very difficult to make decisions about where to live, what to eat, etc.
In particular, many decisions have pros and cons on both sides. Shall I have the fish or the beef? With no rational way to decide, they were unable to make the decision.
Source: http://changingminds.org/explanations/emotions/emotion_decision.htm
I think I wasnt unable to explin. I will try again.
Lets say that you faced an particular situation (pick any) and you have two methods to deside. In one hand you keep logic, it says something. In other hand you keep emotion, its also says something different than logic. Which one you prefer? Logic or emotion.
Lets say that you faced an particular situation (pick any) and you have two methods to deside. In one hand you keep logic, it says something. In other hand you keep emotion, its also says something different than logic. Which one you prefer? Logic or emotion.
I say go with the "instinct"
Lol no man.
Instinct isnt always bring you to correct place. And it is sort of "careless" desition. There have to be better way.
Instinct isnt always bring you to correct place. And it is sort of "careless" desition. There have to be better way.
What I don't understand is,
why is it either emotion or logic-- why not use both to make decisions?
why do you consider using your "instincts" careless?
It's man's instinctive curiosity that has lead him into space, into science... yes logic helps-- but where is logic without instinct and emotion to guide it?
You need both logic and emotion.
why is it either emotion or logic-- why not use both to make decisions?
why do you consider using your "instincts" careless?
It's man's instinctive curiosity that has lead him into space, into science... yes logic helps-- but where is logic without instinct and emotion to guide it?
You need both logic and emotion.
Emotions speed up your logical decision. It doesnt have any other advantage, rather than it may take you into wrong direction and deceive you. If I about to use them both, then I will divide logic from emotion and keep emotion in "quarantine" for proof in their trustworthy. "Instinct" for me is something like decision made in first sight. Its not possible to examine it in logical way. Therefore its sort of "careless" because you didnt made it pass your logical sieve.
Curiousity, instincts and beliefs are different things. It is not our instincts what made us go to space. It is belief and curiousity that made it. Instinct and emotion is fastened logic, but deceptive.
Curiousity, instincts and beliefs are different things. It is not our instincts what made us go to space. It is belief and curiousity that made it. Instinct and emotion is fastened logic, but deceptive.
Wait a minute, i have searched internet a bit about "instinct" and found that my understanding of it may be different than yours. In this case, i have to ask you to define your understanding of instinct.
Instinct is a powerful means of motivation-- or an impuluse. By my definition-- curiousity is an instinct because it is a motivation to learn more about something.
I think you're thinking of instinct as an inborn pattern of behavior.
I don't entirely agree with you that the sole purpose of emotion is to "speed up" a logical decision. I think when making a decision.. you need a "big picture", and logic only provides part of that big picture. Emotion is what helps fill in the blanks.
I think you're thinking of instinct as an inborn pattern of behavior.
I don't entirely agree with you that the sole purpose of emotion is to "speed up" a logical decision. I think when making a decision.. you need a "big picture", and logic only provides part of that big picture. Emotion is what helps fill in the blanks.
Yup.
I agree that we need "big picture" for making right decision. Logic is what we use to make sure that every part of picture is on strong basis. But connecting each part to any other is what emotion is usefull for (altough logic is also usefull to find links between those parts as well hihihi).
In conclusion I want to say that I was on my way to this result that you told me above and I'm happy to see that there other people who experience same things.
If you have anything to add, I will gladly listen it. I will search internet for this pattern more and try to figure out "big pictures". If I find anything interesting I will post it here.
I agree that we need "big picture" for making right decision. Logic is what we use to make sure that every part of picture is on strong basis. But connecting each part to any other is what emotion is usefull for (altough logic is also usefull to find links between those parts as well hihihi).
In conclusion I want to say that I was on my way to this result that you told me above and I'm happy to see that there other people who experience same things.
If you have anything to add, I will gladly listen it. I will search internet for this pattern more and try to figure out "big pictures". If I find anything interesting I will post it here.
What is so funny about using instinct Haffo..??
"Instincts are generally an inherited pattern of responses or reactions to certain kinds of situations. In humans, they are most easily observed in responses to emotions. Instincts generally serve to set in motion mechanisms that evoke an organism to action. The particular actions performed may be influenced by learning, environments, and natural principles. Generally, instinct is not used to describe an existing condition or established state."
This is encyclopaedia definitions to you? for rest of us we chose to define it with our natural born senses.
Instinct is the mother of all things in known universe and you laugh at it..??
Where the logic and emotions has no meaning then instinct is you only saviour.. You continue laughing at it, then you will get stuck in trouble for ever.
Never ever underestimate the power of instinct my good man.
"Instincts are generally an inherited pattern of responses or reactions to certain kinds of situations. In humans, they are most easily observed in responses to emotions. Instincts generally serve to set in motion mechanisms that evoke an organism to action. The particular actions performed may be influenced by learning, environments, and natural principles. Generally, instinct is not used to describe an existing condition or established state."
This is encyclopaedia definitions to you? for rest of us we chose to define it with our natural born senses.
Instinct is the mother of all things in known universe and you laugh at it..??
Where the logic and emotions has no meaning then instinct is you only saviour.. You continue laughing at it, then you will get stuck in trouble for ever.
Never ever underestimate the power of instinct my good man.
Hi All.
Q,
The mother of all things known in the universe? Really? Do you know how big the universe is? I can almost see you clenching your fist to you chest, typing with such passion and conviction lol.
No!
Intincts are not. It's just human nature, created from thousands of years of trying to survive. In fact, you need to be specific as to what kind of instincts. Much of life, civilized (if that what you want to call it) has to do with subversing 'natural instincts.' It's instinctual to hit someone that pisses you off. Is it right? Probably not. Revenge is instinctual, self absorption. . .there are plenty of qualities that we as human beings work towards getting pass that are instinctual.
Reacting out of fear and anger; violence, from something "not like self." From something different. All instinctual. A large goal in life is rising above instincts to a higher nature of self. To get past just reacting off of whims and emotional currents to reach a point of objectivity, even detachment to a certain extent to put the validity of those instincts in perspective. Accentuate the highter, try to weed out the lower.
Not to mention; there is no situation where logic or emotion has no meaning. They're relevent in every aspect of life. One may take a lead in a particular circumstance, but the two aren't mutually exclusive. Besides, intinct is translated through emotion. A threat appears, you're getting chased by an ostache or whatever wild animals they have in Norway. You're scared, the emotion. . .instinctually fight or flight kicks in, and since fighting an ostrage is kind of stupid (funny to watch lmao), you run. Life saved.
You meet a female, a red head double Scorp (mouth waters), your brain goes numb from the emotion surging. Instincts activate, you're. . .well, you know what happens next lol. Nature takes it's course. So yeah, instincts have their place. But to hype them up as, THE MOTHER OF ALL THINGS IN THE UNIVERSE.
But, the druthers is yours. You could believe that and "stay stuck in trouble forever," being tossed about by emotional undercurrents relevent only when you were scratching yourself in a cave thousands of years ago lmao.
You're RIGHT Haffo! There is a better way. The answer is balance.
Like most things, the situation demands the course of action. Some cases pure analysis is the key, some cases emotion; most often it'll be a blend.
VirgoSquared
Q,
The mother of all things known in the universe? Really? Do you know how big the universe is? I can almost see you clenching your fist to you chest, typing with such passion and conviction lol.
No!
Intincts are not. It's just human nature, created from thousands of years of trying to survive. In fact, you need to be specific as to what kind of instincts. Much of life, civilized (if that what you want to call it) has to do with subversing 'natural instincts.' It's instinctual to hit someone that pisses you off. Is it right? Probably not. Revenge is instinctual, self absorption. . .there are plenty of qualities that we as human beings work towards getting pass that are instinctual.
Reacting out of fear and anger; violence, from something "not like self." From something different. All instinctual. A large goal in life is rising above instincts to a higher nature of self. To get past just reacting off of whims and emotional currents to reach a point of objectivity, even detachment to a certain extent to put the validity of those instincts in perspective. Accentuate the highter, try to weed out the lower.
Not to mention; there is no situation where logic or emotion has no meaning. They're relevent in every aspect of life. One may take a lead in a particular circumstance, but the two aren't mutually exclusive. Besides, intinct is translated through emotion. A threat appears, you're getting chased by an ostache or whatever wild animals they have in Norway. You're scared, the emotion. . .instinctually fight or flight kicks in, and since fighting an ostrage is kind of stupid (funny to watch lmao), you run. Life saved.
You meet a female, a red head double Scorp (mouth waters), your brain goes numb from the emotion surging. Instincts activate, you're. . .well, you know what happens next lol. Nature takes it's course. So yeah, instincts have their place. But to hype them up as, THE MOTHER OF ALL THINGS IN THE UNIVERSE.
But, the druthers is yours. You could believe that and "stay stuck in trouble forever," being tossed about by emotional undercurrents relevent only when you were scratching yourself in a cave thousands of years ago lmao.
You're RIGHT Haffo! There is a better way. The answer is balance.
Like most things, the situation demands the course of action. Some cases pure analysis is the key, some cases emotion; most often it'll be a blend.
VirgoSquared
INSTINCT is defined as an unlearned pattern of complex behaviour, dependent upon innate neuromuscular mechanisms and aroused only under certain conditions of external stimulation & of the organism's internal environment.
Instincts are modified by learning.
Modes of Learning: Experience, Exploration, Education(Non-formal & Formal), Experimentation. Logic & emotions are part of learning process.
Example: If a good friend is suddenly acting aloof the immediate thougt would run on these lines: "Is something wrong with her?".."Is she mad at me?".... "Is she playing games?". Now which of the three possibilities is true? Here my instincts based on my past experience of that person will help me. The person's behaviour may suck. But my instinct guides me to realise to be impersonal & non-judgemental. So though instinct is an immediate response , it has its base in experiences of which logic & emotions play an important role.
Haffo stated: "I seen many successfull people who do not act logically at all, but somehow act as magnet for people."
This is because they are open to experiences which fine tunes their intincts continuosly & over a period of time their intincts rarely fail them. If one uses cold logic in figuring out another person..it can lead to mentally shuting out of enriching experiences. If emotions are used the decisions arrived could be biased & prejudiced.
But when we talk of insticnts we are talking about a sum of that behaviour in us which has a biological basis but our experiences modify them. Keeping ourselves open to experiences keeps on updating our instincts. And yes accepting that mistakes can happen & will happen while interacting with other people is the road to higher learning. Always. there is no foolproof method of not making mistakes.
Instincts are modified by learning.
Modes of Learning: Experience, Exploration, Education(Non-formal & Formal), Experimentation. Logic & emotions are part of learning process.
Example: If a good friend is suddenly acting aloof the immediate thougt would run on these lines: "Is something wrong with her?".."Is she mad at me?".... "Is she playing games?". Now which of the three possibilities is true? Here my instincts based on my past experience of that person will help me. The person's behaviour may suck. But my instinct guides me to realise to be impersonal & non-judgemental. So though instinct is an immediate response , it has its base in experiences of which logic & emotions play an important role.
Haffo stated: "I seen many successfull people who do not act logically at all, but somehow act as magnet for people."
This is because they are open to experiences which fine tunes their intincts continuosly & over a period of time their intincts rarely fail them. If one uses cold logic in figuring out another person..it can lead to mentally shuting out of enriching experiences. If emotions are used the decisions arrived could be biased & prejudiced.
But when we talk of insticnts we are talking about a sum of that behaviour in us which has a biological basis but our experiences modify them. Keeping ourselves open to experiences keeps on updating our instincts. And yes accepting that mistakes can happen & will happen while interacting with other people is the road to higher learning. Always. there is no foolproof method of not making mistakes.
"There is no foolproof method of not making mistakes."
Instead of making mistakes and walking away, there is one better method. In situation that I found irrelevant for my understanding about person, I do not assume anything, I WALK IN AND ASK IT. It is kinda (What that mean now? What do you mean? etc). This is perfect way to leave away all assumtions and put yourself on correct track. Of course there is also one point that you have to avoid in this method. People can be dishonest. Never let dishonest people habit near you. Also, you may find some people who totally thinks that you asking too much "strange" questions and making fun of you. In both cases I suggest to leave those persons and find others who will fit in this concept.
Instead of making mistakes and walking away, there is one better method. In situation that I found irrelevant for my understanding about person, I do not assume anything, I WALK IN AND ASK IT. It is kinda (What that mean now? What do you mean? etc). This is perfect way to leave away all assumtions and put yourself on correct track. Of course there is also one point that you have to avoid in this method. People can be dishonest. Never let dishonest people habit near you. Also, you may find some people who totally thinks that you asking too much "strange" questions and making fun of you. In both cases I suggest to leave those persons and find others who will fit in this concept.
The logic always takes upper hand over emotions.
Virgosquared
Yeah and I am still saying "mother of all things in known universe".
Every creature in this world "especially new born, acting by the instinct", in case that you have forgotten the fact..! Humans developed the "logic" as an "alternative" to instinct, (because of our need to understand the nature), then we used the "logic" to categorising our "senses" and translate some of those to "emotions" and "emotions" to "feelings" just to explaining the mighty "instinct" to ourselves in the first place? its all explained in socio-biology if are in to science.
Instinct is not a human nature only, it is "survival kit" a "gift of nature" to every living being in this earth or any other planets "with life" in this known universe.. Do you have any proof that it is not..??
Now tell me my good man? what is so funny about the instinct and acting by it..?? Your humorous nature "apparently" appreciated by the ladies "ONLY" not going to help to explain the question that have been asked?"ostache or ostrage" what ever animal they are, must be an American and your ultimate fear, but they are unknown to this earth?!! However for the rest of us that live on this planet the name of "Ostrich" make sense, but sorry to disappointing you again? we don?t have that in Norway.. If your knowledge about the "instinct" is as limited as your knowledge about the animal's names and their origins, then I would seriously suggest that you stop "laughing your ass off" and start learning.
Instinct teach you how to react in "unknown" situations where "logic" has no meaning, logic gives you full "stop" to experiencing things, but the "instinct" push you to develop something that Looneybird says as Higher learning.
Yeah and I am still saying "mother of all things in known universe".
Every creature in this world "especially new born, acting by the instinct", in case that you have forgotten the fact..! Humans developed the "logic" as an "alternative" to instinct, (because of our need to understand the nature), then we used the "logic" to categorising our "senses" and translate some of those to "emotions" and "emotions" to "feelings" just to explaining the mighty "instinct" to ourselves in the first place? its all explained in socio-biology if are in to science.
Instinct is not a human nature only, it is "survival kit" a "gift of nature" to every living being in this earth or any other planets "with life" in this known universe.. Do you have any proof that it is not..??
Now tell me my good man? what is so funny about the instinct and acting by it..?? Your humorous nature "apparently" appreciated by the ladies "ONLY" not going to help to explain the question that have been asked?"ostache or ostrage" what ever animal they are, must be an American and your ultimate fear, but they are unknown to this earth?!! However for the rest of us that live on this planet the name of "Ostrich" make sense, but sorry to disappointing you again? we don?t have that in Norway.. If your knowledge about the "instinct" is as limited as your knowledge about the animal's names and their origins, then I would seriously suggest that you stop "laughing your ass off" and start learning.
Instinct teach you how to react in "unknown" situations where "logic" has no meaning, logic gives you full "stop" to experiencing things, but the "instinct" push you to develop something that Looneybird says as Higher learning.
"Instinct teach you how to react in "unknown" situations where "logic" has no meaning, logic gives you full "stop" to experiencing things, but the "instinct" push you to develop something that Looneybird says as Higher learning."
Not every instinct is helpful as you mentioned above. Some "unhandled" instincts may drive you to your destruction.
Not every instinct is helpful as you mentioned above. Some "unhandled" instincts may drive you to your destruction.
Wrong again...name one please...."acting by instinct" is "selective", like mother that cover their kids from incoming danger, even thou she could choose "running" instead of "staying and protecting".
Use the "logic" and it says "run for your life", use the "feeling" you most likely get "stunned by the elements of fear e.g. emotions" or "instinct" that gives you "drive" to challenge at least 50/50 chance to defeat the intruder? or offer your life to protect the minions.
It is the most basic but the "best gifts" that ever graced the living beings by the nature, and as I've mentioned it is upgradeable by experiencing it, our ancestors had no logic and they survived because of this circus.
Use the "logic" and it says "run for your life", use the "feeling" you most likely get "stunned by the elements of fear e.g. emotions" or "instinct" that gives you "drive" to challenge at least 50/50 chance to defeat the intruder? or offer your life to protect the minions.
It is the most basic but the "best gifts" that ever graced the living beings by the nature, and as I've mentioned it is upgradeable by experiencing it, our ancestors had no logic and they survived because of this circus.
Ehh? sorry it should be read as
Our ancestors had no logic and they've survived because of "instinct" in this circus.
Our ancestors had no logic and they've survived because of "instinct" in this circus.
Hello all,
Instinct, I think is a faculty of the human that is based around survival--just look at the other animals on this planet and its easier to see.
My views on logic and emotion are too long for me to want to type right now...maybe later. I am not a Buddhist but I like the buddhist view of them. If not known, google "The Five Skandhas" or "Five Aggregates".
If you look at them ask again where is logic and where is emotion.
Instinct, I think is a faculty of the human that is based around survival--just look at the other animals on this planet and its easier to see.
My views on logic and emotion are too long for me to want to type right now...maybe later. I am not a Buddhist but I like the buddhist view of them. If not known, google "The Five Skandhas" or "Five Aggregates".
If you look at them ask again where is logic and where is emotion.
"name one please"
Anger, hate, cowardness etc. more?
Anger, hate, cowardness etc. more?
cowardliness*
Haffo
You sure that you know what INSTINCT is buddy? How can you hate something by instinct?
Those are driven by "emotions" when your "logics" are limited to explain it e.g. you feel anger or you feel like a coward etc.
Those are linked together, together the give meaning to the whole picture but without instinct all is meaningless.
Try to study more of instinct, when you understand it fully, your problem with the logic and emotion will be answered.
You sure that you know what INSTINCT is buddy? How can you hate something by instinct?
Those are driven by "emotions" when your "logics" are limited to explain it e.g. you feel anger or you feel like a coward etc.
Those are linked together, together the give meaning to the whole picture but without instinct all is meaningless.
Try to study more of instinct, when you understand it fully, your problem with the logic and emotion will be answered.
Ok.. to ease your job..
Start study about:
(a) Reflex theories.
(b) Theories of lapsed intelligence.
(c) The theory of organic selection.
In other word.. Instinct is responsible to mental/Neural/intelligence development in every living being. Logic and emotions are offspring of the Instinct.
Start study about:
(a) Reflex theories.
(b) Theories of lapsed intelligence.
(c) The theory of organic selection.
In other word.. Instinct is responsible to mental/Neural/intelligence development in every living being. Logic and emotions are offspring of the Instinct.
Q, I'm not sure you know what the definition of definition of means.
You're so right, every creature initially acts by instinct. . .initially being the keyword. Instinct, is a base response. A lower response. It's the first response. It's something to get past, not revel in as you so feel is necessary.
Okay, I spelled "Ostrich" wrong lol. You spelled "categorising" (categorizing) wrong, not to mention the horrific grammar throughout allyour post, so if you want we can persist in finding spelling and grammatical errors in your wo.. .stuff. I'd rather get back to the main point of how wrong you are.
Hey! If your limited command of the English language is any hint to your limited knowledge of "instincts" then I would seriously suggest you either start reading more or start absorbing the few books you do claim read. Personally I think you just skim the book jacket. You really should start opening those books "Q," there's actual information inside.
Seriously, there is! No, I'm being completely serious. Those squiggly lines are words. Knowledge. It'll really help your perspectives!
Sure, if you skew a definition to fit your meaning, then yeah. You probably are going to be right within the context of your bastardized definition. But, no one with common sense is going to know what you're talking about.
Sure, some instincts are positive, protecting loved ones, protecting yourself. But it's just as instinctual to punch someone that pisses you off, to be selfish, to want revenge, to hate. . .yeah "Q" hate is instinctual.
As human beings, our natural state, instinctual push is to fear the unknown. One of those survival gifts you're talking about. That's all fear is. Or as my friend that's heavy into Buddhism likes to say, "there is self and there is fear." We fear what's not ourselves. That's a different explanation that comes to the same point in a roundabout way, so. . .point is this. What swiftly struts past you is everything in the beginning is unknown. It's going to be feared. So as you're so fond of saying, to paraphrase, instincts rule unknown situations. Fear breeds hate, violence; the instinctual drive to protect oneself. Whether the threat is real or imagined. All instinctual.
I'm actually beginning to miss the point in this tutorial. You won't admit your incorrectness anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if you argue that the dictionary is wrong and categorizing is actually spelled categorising
lmao
To note. Your appreciation isn't warranted nor wanted!
VirgoSquared
You're so right, every creature initially acts by instinct. . .initially being the keyword. Instinct, is a base response. A lower response. It's the first response. It's something to get past, not revel in as you so feel is necessary.
Okay, I spelled "Ostrich" wrong lol. You spelled "categorising" (categorizing) wrong, not to mention the horrific grammar throughout allyour post, so if you want we can persist in finding spelling and grammatical errors in your wo.. .stuff. I'd rather get back to the main point of how wrong you are.
Hey! If your limited command of the English language is any hint to your limited knowledge of "instincts" then I would seriously suggest you either start reading more or start absorbing the few books you do claim read. Personally I think you just skim the book jacket. You really should start opening those books "Q," there's actual information inside.
Seriously, there is! No, I'm being completely serious. Those squiggly lines are words. Knowledge. It'll really help your perspectives!
Sure, if you skew a definition to fit your meaning, then yeah. You probably are going to be right within the context of your bastardized definition. But, no one with common sense is going to know what you're talking about.
Sure, some instincts are positive, protecting loved ones, protecting yourself. But it's just as instinctual to punch someone that pisses you off, to be selfish, to want revenge, to hate. . .yeah "Q" hate is instinctual.
As human beings, our natural state, instinctual push is to fear the unknown. One of those survival gifts you're talking about. That's all fear is. Or as my friend that's heavy into Buddhism likes to say, "there is self and there is fear." We fear what's not ourselves. That's a different explanation that comes to the same point in a roundabout way, so. . .point is this. What swiftly struts past you is everything in the beginning is unknown. It's going to be feared. So as you're so fond of saying, to paraphrase, instincts rule unknown situations. Fear breeds hate, violence; the instinctual drive to protect oneself. Whether the threat is real or imagined. All instinctual.
I'm actually beginning to miss the point in this tutorial. You won't admit your incorrectness anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if you argue that the dictionary is wrong and categorizing is actually spelled categorising
lmao
To note. Your appreciation isn't warranted nor wanted!
VirgoSquared
And another thing lmao.
Being chased by an ostrich (See the spelling, learning!) was only an example. . .I guess that blew past you to.
Still, those are some scary beast MAN. That long neck, those skinny legs, the inherent speed, the beady eyes, the BEAKS. Who wants to get beaked to death by a bird?
"Instinct," and I'll type slow to ease your task of understanding. "Instinct" is translated through emotion. You talk as if they're mutually exclusive when they're not. A mother and child is walking to her car. An ostrich appears, it's pissed for some reason. Fear arises in the mother and child. From this fear, "the fight or flight" instinct (you may want to look that up) arises.
Instinctually, she wants to run. Instincts are a survival tool related to self. Self preservation. It's her emotional attachment to her child that ensures she chooses to fight off the killer beast. Again, a blend. Fear activates the instinct. Run or fight. The additional emotion, the attachment, chooses fight. Not mutually exclusive.
As for instinct coming first. Of course is came first, nothing was known at first. DUH!!! It was a "gift" in that it aided survival. I guess going by your assertions, you'd prefer the medieval dentist to the painless one that uses lasers. It's called growth buddy. Advancement. Instinct is the foundation.
Sure, we could still get around using horse and buggy. It gets the job done, but it has drawbacks. We've grown to cars, which is better, but also has drawbacks. Hopefully, the next form of transportation will exceed cars, and so on. Going by this analogy, horse and buggy are instincts. There are positives, but the negatives astoundingly outweigh them; hence advancement to cars. Cars and whatever comes after them being progressions in logic and understanding. Getting pass the drawbacks of instincts, while preserving and accentuating the positives.
Maybe you get it, maybe you don't. I think you do get it and just can't admit it lol. Either way. Doesn't matter. It's you're belief. It has not bearing on anything important so . . .
Cheers 🙂
VirgoSquared
Being chased by an ostrich (See the spelling, learning!) was only an example. . .I guess that blew past you to.
Still, those are some scary beast MAN. That long neck, those skinny legs, the inherent speed, the beady eyes, the BEAKS. Who wants to get beaked to death by a bird?
"Instinct," and I'll type slow to ease your task of understanding. "Instinct" is translated through emotion. You talk as if they're mutually exclusive when they're not. A mother and child is walking to her car. An ostrich appears, it's pissed for some reason. Fear arises in the mother and child. From this fear, "the fight or flight" instinct (you may want to look that up) arises.
Instinctually, she wants to run. Instincts are a survival tool related to self. Self preservation. It's her emotional attachment to her child that ensures she chooses to fight off the killer beast. Again, a blend. Fear activates the instinct. Run or fight. The additional emotion, the attachment, chooses fight. Not mutually exclusive.
As for instinct coming first. Of course is came first, nothing was known at first. DUH!!! It was a "gift" in that it aided survival. I guess going by your assertions, you'd prefer the medieval dentist to the painless one that uses lasers. It's called growth buddy. Advancement. Instinct is the foundation.
Sure, we could still get around using horse and buggy. It gets the job done, but it has drawbacks. We've grown to cars, which is better, but also has drawbacks. Hopefully, the next form of transportation will exceed cars, and so on. Going by this analogy, horse and buggy are instincts. There are positives, but the negatives astoundingly outweigh them; hence advancement to cars. Cars and whatever comes after them being progressions in logic and understanding. Getting pass the drawbacks of instincts, while preserving and accentuating the positives.
Maybe you get it, maybe you don't. I think you do get it and just can't admit it lol. Either way. Doesn't matter. It's you're belief. It has not bearing on anything important so . . .
Cheers 🙂
VirgoSquared
Uuuuuuuuuoh.. That must have been hurt..!! Did I hit your nerve somewhere professor Virgosquared..??
Listen dude, I had never claim that my English is good and of course that I have tones of grammatical failure professor, what do you expect..?? English is not my native language.! But I am not afraid to use this broken English to present my opinion or make me understood.
If you American replace "ise" with the "ize" its not my problem, but I'm sure you can not find any of those animals you've mention in any dictionary or encyclopaedias in any language and you as an ENGLISH writer should have known better, that is a real LMAO for me? now tell me something professor, how DO YOU present your Idea in my language then ,I'll bet you cant even say a simple Hello, let alone typing it? how about that genius..??
Anyways..! You had your remarks and I had mine and that?s it.. It is an opinion board where ideas need to be exchanged or eventually shared in a respectful manner not a battle ground; beside if I really wanted to do this I would gladly choose Parallax not you.. You are a "flirt"?.! Nothing more, at least Parallax had proven that he is worthy.!
Listen dude, I had never claim that my English is good and of course that I have tones of grammatical failure professor, what do you expect..?? English is not my native language.! But I am not afraid to use this broken English to present my opinion or make me understood.
If you American replace "ise" with the "ize" its not my problem, but I'm sure you can not find any of those animals you've mention in any dictionary or encyclopaedias in any language and you as an ENGLISH writer should have known better, that is a real LMAO for me? now tell me something professor, how DO YOU present your Idea in my language then ,I'll bet you cant even say a simple Hello, let alone typing it? how about that genius..??
Anyways..! You had your remarks and I had mine and that?s it.. It is an opinion board where ideas need to be exchanged or eventually shared in a respectful manner not a battle ground; beside if I really wanted to do this I would gladly choose Parallax not you.. You are a "flirt"?.! Nothing more, at least Parallax had proven that he is worthy.!
Easy guys.
You seem to be both are "sharp tongued". Get down and do not use irritating words. If you want peace at least. Just have a goal here and act regarding to it. Throwing provocating words is just start for fighting.
You seem to be both are "sharp tongued". Get down and do not use irritating words. If you want peace at least. Just have a goal here and act regarding to it. Throwing provocating words is just start for fighting.
Hurt? LOL
Come on. You don't matter enough to hurt me. Not to mention, this is just an electronic board.
"It is an opinion board where ideas need to be exchanged or eventually shared in a respectful manner not a battle ground;"
Hey, at you least you got that part right. Keywords, opinion and respectful. Try to write your future post keeping those two points in mind!
And yeah, I guess I am a flirt 😉
VirgoSquared
Come on. You don't matter enough to hurt me. Not to mention, this is just an electronic board.
"It is an opinion board where ideas need to be exchanged or eventually shared in a respectful manner not a battle ground;"
Hey, at you least you got that part right. Keywords, opinion and respectful. Try to write your future post keeping those two points in mind!
And yeah, I guess I am a flirt 😉
VirgoSquared
Hi Haffo.
I know throwing provocating words starts fights. That was actually the aim. Q has this tendency to think his opinion makes everyone else's wrong. Look at how he responded to you here. Jackraz in the Aries board. Lost his mind at SeizetheDay for her jesting article on Virgos. Follow it back, there are more examples.
Opinions are just that, opinions. State it and let people come to their own judgments. But to start a post with, "Wrong!" Or "No Man!" Or some other "put down" adjective that attempts to insinuate the correctness of one view point over another before even getting to the main argument, as if trying to preconvince others of correctness.. . .COME ON!
It's overcompensation reeking of intellectual insecurity, at the very least some authoritarian fetish to feed a sagging ego.
State the opinion without attacking another and let that opinion stand for itself. How hard it that? Let people fall where they may.
But, this is just my opinion lol. I could be wrong.
VirgoSquared
I know throwing provocating words starts fights. That was actually the aim. Q has this tendency to think his opinion makes everyone else's wrong. Look at how he responded to you here. Jackraz in the Aries board. Lost his mind at SeizetheDay for her jesting article on Virgos. Follow it back, there are more examples.
Opinions are just that, opinions. State it and let people come to their own judgments. But to start a post with, "Wrong!" Or "No Man!" Or some other "put down" adjective that attempts to insinuate the correctness of one view point over another before even getting to the main argument, as if trying to preconvince others of correctness.. . .COME ON!
It's overcompensation reeking of intellectual insecurity, at the very least some authoritarian fetish to feed a sagging ego.
State the opinion without attacking another and let that opinion stand for itself. How hard it that? Let people fall where they may.
But, this is just my opinion lol. I could be wrong.
VirgoSquared
Virgosquared
"State the opinion without attacking another and let that opinion stand for itself. How hard it that? Let people fall where they may."
Are you ok..dude?? you have an issue with yourself man..it is you who start the whole damn thing in the first place (out of topic) not me kid.!
Its' really funny??you should see your post for Cancerbuddy then.. and you accusing me for attacking..??
I've "never called my self "insensitive ass.ho.le" because of the stupid attitude or moodiness, so next time you want to accuse someone check your own background first..!!
Do you think the board members are stupid and can't speak of themselves if I get as nasty as you think as I am, hence your urge to behave like a watch dog on this board? What's next then?? What an EGO? LMAO?.!
Now? stop trashing Haffo's topic because of your own personal dislikes and vendetta about or against me? I'll make sure that if I needed a lecture in this department I'll ask you first—?..NOT.
"State the opinion without attacking another and let that opinion stand for itself. How hard it that? Let people fall where they may."
Are you ok..dude?? you have an issue with yourself man..it is you who start the whole damn thing in the first place (out of topic) not me kid.!
Its' really funny??you should see your post for Cancerbuddy then.. and you accusing me for attacking..??
I've "never called my self "insensitive ass.ho.le" because of the stupid attitude or moodiness, so next time you want to accuse someone check your own background first..!!
Do you think the board members are stupid and can't speak of themselves if I get as nasty as you think as I am, hence your urge to behave like a watch dog on this board? What's next then?? What an EGO? LMAO?.!
Now? stop trashing Haffo's topic because of your own personal dislikes and vendetta about or against me? I'll make sure that if I needed a lecture in this department I'll ask you first—?..NOT.
Awwwwwwww, poor baby's upset LMAO.
(Beating his chest he cries)
"Now? stop trashing Haffo's topic because of your own personal dislikes and vendetta about or against me . . .blah, blah, blah"
You can have a vendetta about someone? Whoa!! I swear you learn something new everyday.
You talk like the green incredible hulk DUDE.
The Unincredible Q
I must admit. Q, my good moron, I swear you have the passion of a head of cabbage. And obviously the comprehension to match.
I said I provoked this, I miss your point with that. And Cancerbuddy. . .special case. But that's one.
It's fine though. I got my point across, my mission is complete.
To note, I don't think you're nasty. Never said it.
(Beating his chest he cries)
"Now? stop trashing Haffo's topic because of your own personal dislikes and vendetta about or against me . . .blah, blah, blah"
You can have a vendetta about someone? Whoa!! I swear you learn something new everyday.
You talk like the green incredible hulk DUDE.
The Unincredible Q
I must admit. Q, my good moron, I swear you have the passion of a head of cabbage. And obviously the comprehension to match.
I said I provoked this, I miss your point with that. And Cancerbuddy. . .special case. But that's one.
It's fine though. I got my point across, my mission is complete.
To note, I don't think you're nasty. Never said it.
Proceed with your commentary to Haffo or whoever is listening. I've spoken my peace.
CHEERS
VirgoSquared.
CHEERS
VirgoSquared.
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Three cheer
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Three cheer
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