Enfant-Terrible-II
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Posted by jukeyPosted by SuperSize9
You feel Your born in the wrong body “Ok. But surgery or no surgery it’s still the wrong body right?
Is it the "wrong" body or, like many things in nature, something that falls on a spectrum? Perhaps we're not all flatly one or the other. A fun question to ask at parties is 'Why do men have breasts and nipples?'click to expand
Sure here’s more fun irrelevant questions, Why do women have toes? and knee caps?
Posted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by IxiPosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9
Am I really transphobic if I prefer not to date a trans women. Because I’m not into men? And why do you feel the urge to modify your body? You feel Your born in the wrong body “Ok. But surgery or no surgery it’s still the wrong body right? And what’s up with forcing other to use a pro noun they are not comfortable using? No offense.
i think what you are describing is that you are super straight
Yea, heard that being used, but I’m just straight. I don’t care for word games. Like cis, super straight. I’m just plan ol normal and not into being with another man. Which is preference. Guys who are gay are cool as hell and down to earth. Just not my thing.
Trans seem to think other wise tho?
It seems more like you think otherwise, no?
How do I think other wise I’m not labeling him/her as any phobic. We don’t call lesbians Manphobics. We just call them lesbians who have sexual preference.
yes but lesbians are encouraged (? not sure that is the right term) to consider transwomen as potential sexual partners because transwomen are women. so as a straight man what's the big deal?
And a straight man is encouraged to not want a biological male who dresses like a female. It’s The same thing.
Example the number one reason trans women are assaulted or murdered is because they do not disclose they are men to straight men.
For a man to feel that upset that he would attack some one he must strongly encouraged that he doesn’t agree or likes it.
No offense I do not advocate violence against anybody straight, gay or trans.
source?
Me. I’m a MAN. First hand source. You couldn’t get more source then this.
your source that the number one reason transwomen are killed is because they have somehow tricked men into believing they are women. a significant amount of transwomen are killed by their partners so i would like your source on this new understanding.
Killed by their partners? Yes partners they don’t disclose their sex too ( again we addressed that it’s betrayal, dishonesty). And Your free to look it up. A High Majority unfortunately are due to prostitution. Which straight women are victims to as well at higher rate.
there is nothing to suggest these men were "tricked". it's just another example of male violence - against each other and against women.
but it goes to your sense that transwomen are just like women (good enough for you and others to be "tricked" so for you to refuse to date them because they are trans and nothing else is transphobic
The fact that they are trans and don’t disclose their sex is alone suggest disruptive and trickery?
And I’ll do say it this way. I’m not dating anybody born with male sex parts. Trans or not trans is that fair enough.click to expand
how do you know they didn't tell their partners?
right so you not dating someone who is trans based on them being trans is transphobic
Posted by cakePosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by IxiPosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9
Am I really transphobic if I prefer not to date a trans women. Because I’m not into men? And why do you feel the urge to modify your body? You feel Your born in the wrong body “Ok. But surgery or no surgery it’s still the wrong body right? And what’s up with forcing other to use a pro noun they are not comfortable using? No offense.
i think what you are describing is that you are super straight
Yea, heard that being used, but I’m just straight. I don’t care for word games. Like cis, super straight. I’m just plan ol normal and not into being with another man. Which is preference. Guys who are gay are cool as hell and down to earth. Just not my thing.
Trans seem to think other wise tho?
It seems more like you think otherwise, no?
How do I think other wise I’m not labeling him/her as any phobic. We don’t call lesbians Manphobics. We just call them lesbians who have sexual preference.
yes but lesbians are encouraged (? not sure that is the right term) to consider transwomen as potential sexual partners because transwomen are women. so as a straight man what's the big deal?
And a straight man is encouraged to not want a biological male who dresses like a female. It’s The same thing.
Example the number one reason trans women are assaulted or murdered is because they do not disclose they are men to straight men.
For a man to feel that upset that he would attack some one he must strongly encouraged that he doesn’t agree or likes it.
No offense I do not advocate violence against anybody straight, gay or trans.
source?
Me. I’m a MAN. First hand source. You couldn’t get more source then this.
your source that the number one reason transwomen are killed is because they have somehow tricked men into believing they are women. a significant amount of transwomen are killed by their partners so i would like your source on this new understanding.
Killed by their partners? Yes partners they don’t disclose their sex too ( again we addressed that it’s betrayal, dishonesty). And Your free to look it up. A High Majority unfortunately are due to prostitution. Which straight women are victims to as well at higher rate.
there is nothing to suggest these men were "tricked". it's just another example of male violence - against each other and against women.
but it goes to your sense that transwomen are just like women (good enough for you and others to be "tricked" so for you to refuse to date them because they are trans and nothing else is transphobic
The fact that they are trans and don’t disclose their sex is alone suggest disruptive and trickery?
And I’ll do say it this way. I’m not dating anybody born with male sex parts. Trans or not trans is that fair enough.
So if the person had surgery, would that still be "trickery"?click to expand
If I remove all the windows and doors out of my house does that mean it’s no longer a house? No.
Does it mean it no longer has value? No.
It’s still a house it’s still valuable
Posted by AliensusedourbogrollPosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by AliensusedourbogrollPosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by Aliensusedourbogroll
Let’s just say you meet a woman. You go on some dates and get to know her. You end up developing feelings for her. She then reveals she is transgender. How does this make you feel about yourself?
It would feel like unknowingly getting u dick sucked in a gloryhole by a man, having been promised a woman.
Or like a woman getting raped and having an involuntary orgasm
It still feels good...but it ain't right.
As if a woman being raped and having an involuntary orgasm is the same thing. You’re ridiculous.
Why are you equating dating a trans woman where no sex has occurred to a bj in a glory hole?
It is the same thing. You are groomed into a situation that you did not choose.
Ok then let's spice this up.
A woman is blindfolded by her husband thinking she's about to have some kinky vanilla sex. Her husband sneaks in one of his best friends and the guy fucks her. She removes the blindfold.....
Has she been raped?
Nope not the same thing. Sex is not the same as dating. Being sexually violated is not the same as going on some dates with a trans person. The fact that you’re equating dating with a trans person thinking they’re a cis person with rape says so much about how you view trans people. So gross.click to expand
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why groom someone till the 3rd or 4th or 5th date, waiting practically until they are in your bedroom so u can softly whisper in their ears, "oh btw I have something kinda touchy to tell you, i hope it's alright with you"
Why put someone through that process? That's creepy AF and you know it. Stop making excuses
Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by IxiPosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9
Am I really transphobic if I prefer not to date a trans women. Because I’m not into men? And why do you feel the urge to modify your body? You feel Your born in the wrong body “Ok. But surgery or no surgery it’s still the wrong body right? And what’s up with forcing other to use a pro noun they are not comfortable using? No offense.
i think what you are describing is that you are super straight
Yea, heard that being used, but I’m just straight. I don’t care for word games. Like cis, super straight. I’m just plan ol normal and not into being with another man. Which is preference. Guys who are gay are cool as hell and down to earth. Just not my thing.
Trans seem to think other wise tho?
It seems more like you think otherwise, no?
How do I think other wise I’m not labeling him/her as any phobic. We don’t call lesbians Manphobics. We just call them lesbians who have sexual preference.
yes but lesbians are encouraged (? not sure that is the right term) to consider transwomen as potential sexual partners because transwomen are women. so as a straight man what's the big deal?
And a straight man is encouraged to not want a biological male who dresses like a female. It’s The same thing.
Example the number one reason trans women are assaulted or murdered is because they do not disclose they are men to straight men.
For a man to feel that upset that he would attack some one he must strongly encouraged that he doesn’t agree or likes it.
No offense I do not advocate violence against anybody straight, gay or trans.
source?
Me. I’m a MAN. First hand source. You couldn’t get more source then this.
your source that the number one reason transwomen are killed is because they have somehow tricked men into believing they are women. a significant amount of transwomen are killed by their partners so i would like your source on this new understanding.
Killed by their partners? Yes partners they don’t disclose their sex too ( again we addressed that it’s betrayal, dishonesty). And Your free to look it up. A High Majority unfortunately are due to prostitution. Which straight women are victims to as well at higher rate.
there is nothing to suggest these men were "tricked". it's just another example of male violence - against each other and against women.
but it goes to your sense that transwomen are just like women (good enough for you and others to be "tricked" so for you to refuse to date them because they are trans and nothing else is transphobic
The fact that they are trans and don’t disclose their sex is alone suggest disruptive and trickery?
And I’ll do say it this way. I’m not dating anybody born with male sex parts. Trans or not trans is that fair enough.
how do you know they didn't tell their partners?
right so you not dating someone who is trans based on them being trans is transphobicclick to expand
Ok they can be trans as long as they weren’t born with a Penis or prostate. Since sex and gender are 2 different things.
Posted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by IxiPosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9
Am I really transphobic if I prefer not to date a trans women. Because I’m not into men? And why do you feel the urge to modify your body? You feel Your born in the wrong body “Ok. But surgery or no surgery it’s still the wrong body right? And what’s up with forcing other to use a pro noun they are not comfortable using? No offense.
i think what you are describing is that you are super straight
Yea, heard that being used, but I’m just straight. I don’t care for word games. Like cis, super straight. I’m just plan ol normal and not into being with another man. Which is preference. Guys who are gay are cool as hell and down to earth. Just not my thing.
Trans seem to think other wise tho?
It seems more like you think otherwise, no?
How do I think other wise I’m not labeling him/her as any phobic. We don’t call lesbians Manphobics. We just call them lesbians who have sexual preference.
yes but lesbians are encouraged (? not sure that is the right term) to consider transwomen as potential sexual partners because transwomen are women. so as a straight man what's the big deal?
And a straight man is encouraged to not want a biological male who dresses like a female. It’s The same thing.
Example the number one reason trans women are assaulted or murdered is because they do not disclose they are men to straight men.
For a man to feel that upset that he would attack some one he must strongly encouraged that he doesn’t agree or likes it.
No offense I do not advocate violence against anybody straight, gay or trans.
source?
Me. I’m a MAN. First hand source. You couldn’t get more source then this.
your source that the number one reason transwomen are killed is because they have somehow tricked men into believing they are women. a significant amount of transwomen are killed by their partners so i would like your source on this new understanding.
Killed by their partners? Yes partners they don’t disclose their sex too ( again we addressed that it’s betrayal, dishonesty). And Your free to look it up. A High Majority unfortunately are due to prostitution. Which straight women are victims to as well at higher rate.
there is nothing to suggest these men were "tricked". it's just another example of male violence - against each other and against women.
but it goes to your sense that transwomen are just like women (good enough for you and others to be "tricked" so for you to refuse to date them because they are trans and nothing else is transphobic
The fact that they are trans and don’t disclose their sex is alone suggest disruptive and trickery?
And I’ll do say it this way. I’m not dating anybody born with male sex parts. Trans or not trans is that fair enough.
how do you know they didn't tell their partners?
right so you not dating someone who is trans based on them being trans is transphobic
Ok they can be trans as long as they weren’t born with a Penis or prostate. Since sex and gender are 2 different things.click to expand
so a transman?
Posted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?click to expand
Would you date Neo Nazi who was kind and loving to you.
If no. Why not?
Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by IxiPosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9
Am I really transphobic if I prefer not to date a trans women. Because I’m not into men? And why do you feel the urge to modify your body? You feel Your born in the wrong body “Ok. But surgery or no surgery it’s still the wrong body right? And what’s up with forcing other to use a pro noun they are not comfortable using? No offense.
i think what you are describing is that you are super straight
Yea, heard that being used, but I’m just straight. I don’t care for word games. Like cis, super straight. I’m just plan ol normal and not into being with another man. Which is preference. Guys who are gay are cool as hell and down to earth. Just not my thing.
Trans seem to think other wise tho?
It seems more like you think otherwise, no?
How do I think other wise I’m not labeling him/her as any phobic. We don’t call lesbians Manphobics. We just call them lesbians who have sexual preference.
yes but lesbians are encouraged (? not sure that is the right term) to consider transwomen as potential sexual partners because transwomen are women. so as a straight man what's the big deal?
And a straight man is encouraged to not want a biological male who dresses like a female. It’s The same thing.
Example the number one reason trans women are assaulted or murdered is because they do not disclose they are men to straight men.
For a man to feel that upset that he would attack some one he must strongly encouraged that he doesn’t agree or likes it.
No offense I do not advocate violence against anybody straight, gay or trans.
source?
Me. I’m a MAN. First hand source. You couldn’t get more source then this.
your source that the number one reason transwomen are killed is because they have somehow tricked men into believing they are women. a significant amount of transwomen are killed by their partners so i would like your source on this new understanding.
Killed by their partners? Yes partners they don’t disclose their sex too ( again we addressed that it’s betrayal, dishonesty). And Your free to look it up. A High Majority unfortunately are due to prostitution. Which straight women are victims to as well at higher rate.
there is nothing to suggest these men were "tricked". it's just another example of male violence - against each other and against women.
but it goes to your sense that transwomen are just like women (good enough for you and others to be "tricked" so for you to refuse to date them because they are trans and nothing else is transphobic
The fact that they are trans and don’t disclose their sex is alone suggest disruptive and trickery?
And I’ll do say it this way. I’m not dating anybody born with male sex parts. Trans or not trans is that fair enough.
how do you know they didn't tell their partners?
right so you not dating someone who is trans based on them being trans is transphobic
Ok they can be trans as long as they weren’t born with a Penis or prostate. Since sex and gender are 2 different things.
so a transman?click to expand
As long as they are feminine and match their sex. Because the Same reason I wouldn’t date a trans women is the same I wouldn’t date a masculine biological women.
I’m not into anything male affiliated.
I never go far into the subject. I look at it if a young boy wanted to be a football player, he would play football. By doing so he will be respected with no questions asked for perusing what he wanted. So I look at that with any topic. A human should be respected on the same level all humans should be respected. Which imo is either to mind ones business, or be supportive regardless of how different it is from your personal life style or opinion.
Posted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?click to expand
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
Posted by cake
Personally, there are certain things I don't want my future partner to know about me such as how many people I dated, who I dated or my dating history.
I would think that, it all depends on the situation that some information may be necessary. Otherwise, it wouldn't matter.
I don't have to confide everything unless it's a health or safety concern.
Lol @ "it depends on the situation that some information may be necessary" when dating a straight dude as transgendered 😆
Witholding info about your birth sex is NOT the same as not disclosing how many partners you've had, wtf?
Bizarro world
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by saggurl88
It comes down to morals as well. If they are now a women cause they had the surgery, the man they are dating should still know the reason they can’t have kids and not just that they are “sterile”
I think anyone should be open and be accepted by their spouse fully. Anyone hiding something is being deceitful. IMO
I don't even think it bottles down to the being sterile argument. I mean I wouldn't care if a woman didn't disclose on her first or second or third date that she's sterile, unless I'm specifically talking about wanting to start a family then that might be her cue.. But I am still attracted to her bc Im str8 and she's a woman so anything is possible.
But that possibility is impossible before it even starts if she were trans. That respect has already been violated if you are going out with me and not telling me you are or were a man, if I'm in fact going out with you under romantic/sexual pretences.
Gender preferences to most ppl whatever those may be, come first. Before personality or any other factor. It's biology.
A guy approaches you and if u were a female with a bf you'd have no problem telling them "sorry i have a boyfriend" but same scenario + chick with dick and you're saying it would be a problem to just say "maybe but i may not be your cup of tea, I'm M2F transgender"
If you are trying promote trans acceptance, this should be a norm for dating ethics in 2021. They should follow the same set of rules as the rest of us.
It's about attraction. Plain and simple. No person needs to explain themselves further than that for automatically dismissing someone ,romantically or sexually.
Of course I can fall in love with a dude under certain circumstances, like if I'm texting and getting to know a person and falling in love with them thinking it's a woman but is actually a man catfishing me.
So does that change my sexual preferences? Does a lesbian become straight for falling in love with a catfishing dude over text?
No. Not if she's really lesbian. Not once she learns the facts.click to expand
I agree in being honest about who you are. I’m not talking about gender alone. It could be anything.
If there is something hidden about a person that could change the dynamic of a relationship, it should be disclosed.
Gender, Cancer, Diseases,Being homeless,- anything of a major importance.
A person is selfish to try and hide these types of things from a spouse. Any person with the ability to change their appearance, should let the person that they are seeing know, so they can make the appropriate choice for themselves.
It’s immoral, in my opinion, to have an attitude about it and force the other person to accept them without proper knowledge.
I think a responsible and mature trans person knows this and doesn’t even see it as an issue. A trans person who is immature wouldn’t care much.
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.click to expand
and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?
it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?
Posted by saggurl88
I agree in being honest about who you are. I’m not talking about gender alone. It could be anything.
If there is something hidden about a person that could change the dynamic of a relationship, it should be disclosed.
Gender, Cancer, Diseases,Being homeless,- anything of a major importance.
A person is selfish to try and hide these types of things from a spouse. Any person with the ability to change their appearance, should let the person that they are seeing know, so they can make the appropriate choice for themselves.
It’s immoral, in my opinion, to have an attitude about it and force the other person to accept them without proper knowledge.
I think a responsible and mature trans person knows this and doesn’t even see it as an issue. A trans person who is immature wouldn’t care much.
☝️
Facts.
If y'all can't cosign this then you're either a degenerate or unevolved in more than one way.
Posted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
I would think that first and foremost, anyone goes on a date with another person, because they find that person attractive, no? I mean, wouldn't that be why you would consider going on a date with someone?click to expand
Ok take physical attraction out of the picture (literally speaking) Why would a straight BLIND guy only prefer to date biological women.
Preference
It’s ok for anybody in the LGBTQ+ Society to have preference right? Why is it bad if straight men have them as well. No I don’t want date transgender women or masculine biological women because I simply don’t wNt too
Posted by xiongmaoPosted by saggurl88
I think a responsible and mature trans person knows this and doesn’t even see it as an issue. A trans person who is immature wouldn’t care much.
*A trans person who is immature would care much
I think 😛click to expand
Huh? A trans person who is immature wouldn’t care much if the other person knew what gender they originally were.
That would be the only reason to go for anyone and just assume they’d (trans person) be accepted for what they look like right now.
You think they would care? How is that?
Posted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
I would think that first and foremost, anyone goes on a date with another person, because they find that person attractive, no? I mean, wouldn't that be why you would consider going on a date with someone?click to expand
No, a date is something both ppl agree on on equal terms. You are literally making it all about what the trans person feels, you are forgetting the other person isn't a prop but an actual person with feelings and preferences of their own. That's actually quite disturbing how that completely flew over your head.
So in order for it to be a date, there are certain basic criterias, one being that im going out with a person of my actual sexual preference!
Posted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?
it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?click to expand
If I was a serial killer and killed a few people prior to our first date and we went out and had a great time, then planned a second date.
Should I tell you I murdered someone previously, so you can have the choice to live or die or should I just kill you on the second date?
Posted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?
it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?
If I was a serial killer and killed a few people prior to our first date and we went out and had a great time, then planned a second date.
Should I tell you I murdered someone previously, so you can have the choice to live or die or should I just kill you on the second date?click to expand
are you saying being transgender is the same as being a serial killer?
Posted by xiongmaoPosted by SuperSize9Posted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
I would think that first and foremost, anyone goes on a date with another person, because they find that person attractive, no? I mean, wouldn't that be why you would consider going on a date with someone?
Ok take physical attraction out of the picture (literally speaking) Why would a straight BLIND guy only prefer to date biological women.
Preference
It’s ok for anybody in the LGBTQ+ Society to have preference right? Why is it bad if straight men have them as well. No I don’t want date transgender women or masculine biological women because I simply don’t wNt too
Nothing wrong with preference. I was only answering:
"Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender"click to expand
That’s a good question.
I feel and I’m not a doctor or do I have PhD in this. That it’s an internal conflict with reality. They don’t know how to accept themselves. When most of the world has moved passed gender identity, they haven’t. They already have equality, but one must understand equality means we all have the same rights but no one has to give you an opportunity or treat you fair.
We’re equally human but I don’t have give you date and it’s not fair. So what. Life’s not fair.
Posted by xiongmaoPosted by saggurl88Posted by xiongmaoPosted by saggurl88
I think a responsible and mature trans person knows this and doesn’t even see it as an issue. A trans person who is immature wouldn’t care much.
*A trans person who is immature would care much
I think 😛
Huh? A trans person who is immature wouldn’t care much if the other person knew what gender they originally were.
That would be the only reason to go for anyone and just assume they’d (trans person) be accepted for what they look like right now.
You think they would care? How is that?
Preferences aside, I can't say that transgender are being accepted for what they look like right now, without being questioned what gender they originally were.click to expand
Trans people are accepted by the people who love them or are willing to get to know them.
There are plenty of trans people who have remained in relationships through their changes.
I am just saying it’s wrong to not disclose info when things are moving into a relationship type of role.
A first date is shady but not a crime. But planning more then that, touching and kissing without the other person knowing is selfish.
Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?
it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?
If I was a serial killer and killed a few people prior to our first date and we went out and had a great time, then planned a second date.
Should I tell you I murdered someone previously, so you can have the choice to live or die or should I just kill you on the second date?
are you saying being transgender is the same as being a serial killer?click to expand
Why can’t I compare being something hidden like a serial killer to a trans person, but you can bring in the race of someone’s grand parent like it’s the same thing and not question that lol.
Posted by SuperSize9Posted by xiongmaoPosted by SuperSize9Posted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
I would think that first and foremost, anyone goes on a date with another person, because they find that person attractive, no? I mean, wouldn't that be why you would consider going on a date with someone?
Ok take physical attraction out of the picture (literally speaking) Why would a straight BLIND guy only prefer to date biological women.
Preference
It’s ok for anybody in the LGBTQ+ Society to have preference right? Why is it bad if straight men have them as well. No I don’t want date transgender women or masculine biological women because I simply don’t wNt too
Nothing wrong with preference. I was only answering:
"Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender"
That’s a good question.
I feel and I’m not a doctor or do I have PhD in this. That it’s an internal conflict with reality. They don’t know how to accept themselves. When most of the world has moved passed gender identity, they haven’t. They already have equality, but one must understand equality means we all have the same rights but no one has to give you an opportunity or treat you fair.
We’re equally human but I don’t have give you date and it’s not fair. So what. Life’s not fair.click to expand
Do trans people really get this upset over rejection? It’s a part of the dating process. Are they even sure it’s about them if the other person doesn’t even know they’re trans?
Posted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?
it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?click to expand
If a lesbian is texting with a dude catfishing as a female and catches feelings for "her", does that make the lesbian straight?
Bottom line, I still don't consider a transitioned person the sex they transitioned to. That's just my personal view, preference or hang-up. I respect if you don't agree with me, but I don't respect that you wouldn't share it before considering dating me. I have the right to know. You have the right not to disclose, but it's on you to figure out if I'm into it before going any further.
That btw also means that hypothetically I could romantically and sexually accept a female-to-male trans. bc I'd still consider "him" a woman. However I wouldn't be attracted to a person who looks male, so as far as certain criterias go it still wouldn't match my preferences. Only hypothetically.
Or in other words....If I were in a barfight I'd have no problem beating up a male2female but I would have reservations about hitting a female2male.
Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?
it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?
If I was a serial killer and killed a few people prior to our first date and we went out and had a great time, then planned a second date.
Should I tell you I murdered someone previously, so you can have the choice to live or die or should I just kill you on the second date?
are you saying being transgender is the same as being a serial killer?click to expand
It’s called a metaphor.
Example:
-let’s say I was born a man but identify as a women (hypothetically speaking). Would you date me?
“No”
-then your transphobic.
But your not a man who identifies as a women? And you would’ve said the same thing if I’d ask you.
-Doesn't matter your transphobic now
“Ok, I don’t care and that’s stupid. Because I’m lesbian. I don’t date men period.
-what if you was born a real boy?
Same thing “(pause) ...Oh my God I’d be “transphobic”
Posted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?
it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?
If I was a serial killer and killed a few people prior to our first date and we went out and had a great time, then planned a second date.
Should I tell you I murdered someone previously, so you can have the choice to live or die or should I just kill you on the second date?
are you saying being transgender is the same as being a serial killer?
Why can’t I compare being something hidden like a serial killer to a trans person, but you can bring in the race of someone’s grand parent like it’s the same thing and not question that lol.click to expand
because neither make any material difference to the person and their character. a serial killer is a risk to life and against social norms. unless you think being trans is somehow immoral.
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?
it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?
If a lesbian is texting with a dude catfishing as a female and catches feelings for "her", does that make the lesbian straight?
Bottom line, I still don't consider a transitioned person the sex they transitioned to. That's just my personal view, preference or hang-up. I respect if you don't agree with me, but I don't respect that you wouldn't share it before considering dating me. I have the right to know. You have the right not to disclose, but it's on you to figure out if I'm into it before going any further.
That btw also means that hypothetically I could romantically and sexually accept a female-to-male trans. bc I'd still consider "him" a woman. However I wouldn't be attracted to a person who looks male, so as far as certain criterias go it still wouldn't match my preferences. Only hypothetically.
Or in other words....If I were in a barfight I'd have no problem beating up a male2female but I would have reservations about hitting a female2male.click to expand
that's fine but it does mean you are transphobic. that you are discriminating a person based on no other reason than they are trans.
same as someone saying they wouldn't date a black person.
or someone saying they wouldn't date a jewish person.
Posted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?
it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?
If I was a serial killer and killed a few people prior to our first date and we went out and had a great time, then planned a second date.
Should I tell you I murdered someone previously, so you can have the choice to live or die or should I just kill you on the second date?
are you saying being transgender is the same as being a serial killer?
It’s called a metaphor.
Example:
-let’s say I was born a man but identify as a women (hypothetically speaking). Would you date me?
“No”
-then your transphobic.
But your not a man who identifies as a women? And you would’ve said the same thing if I’d ask you.
-Doesn't matter your transphobic now
“Ok, I don’t care and that’s stupid. Because I’m lesbian. I don’t date men period.
-what if you was born a real boy?
Same thing “(pause) ...Oh my God I’d be “transphobic”click to expand
you make a lot of assumptions.
Posted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
I would think that first and foremost, anyone goes on a date with another person, because they find that person attractive, no? I mean, wouldn't that be why you would consider going on a date with someone?
No, a date is something both ppl agree on on equal terms. You are literally making it all about what the trans person feels, you are forgetting the other person isn't a prop but an actual person with feelings and preferences of their own. That's actually quite disturbing how that completely flew over your head.
So in order for it to be a date, there are certain basic criterias, one being that im going out with a person of my actual sexual preference!
I'm not forgetting anything. You aren't understanding me.
I'm saying ... a trans person goes on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender most likely because they find the other person attractive and hope that they'd be accepted by the other person. Nothing more.click to expand
"Hoping they'd be accepted" as what? Romantic potentials? Human beings? What?
I'm saying you cannot have that assumption.
So all of us should just chill and accept being dragged around on romantic "sex/gender reveal" dates?
Here's a suggestion. Tell me as it is and I'll let you know if Im still attracted to you or still "accept" you BEFORE going on a date.
Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?
it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?
If I was a serial killer and killed a few people prior to our first date and we went out and had a great time, then planned a second date.
Should I tell you I murdered someone previously, so you can have the choice to live or die or should I just kill you on the second date?
are you saying being transgender is the same as being a serial killer?
Why can’t I compare being something hidden like a serial killer to a trans person, but you can bring in the race of someone’s grand parent like it’s the same thing and not question that lol.
because neither make any material difference to the person and their character. a serial killer is a risk to life and against social norms. unless you think being trans is somehow immoral.click to expand
I think it is a judge to anyone’s character by not letting another person know of anything that will make a significant affect to someone’s life.
If I dated a person who said they only preferred Caucasians but I looked Caucasian and had a great grandparent who was black, it would be pretty easy to assume what would happen if they found out.
BUT if I knew this preference and disclosed that, yes I look Caucasian, but I have a relative that’s black in my family, things may turn out differently because the choice would be left up to the other person. There could be a conversation had about understanding and what can happen next. They aren’t blindsided.
I think honesty is best in most decisions.
If a female to male trans came to me and had a sex change and wanted to date. I would have to think about the penile implant that I or he would have to manually pump every time we have sex. The lifetime supply of hormone pills associated with the change and things like this. It’s a life that needs to be accepted and not forced on to the other person.
I don’t think it’s just as simple as being phobic of anything.
Posted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?
it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?
If a lesbian is texting with a dude catfishing as a female and catches feelings for "her", does that make the lesbian straight?
Bottom line, I still don't consider a transitioned person the sex they transitioned to. That's just my personal view, preference or hang-up. I respect if you don't agree with me, but I don't respect that you wouldn't share it before considering dating me. I have the right to know. You have the right not to disclose, but it's on you to figure out if I'm into it before going any further.
That btw also means that hypothetically I could romantically and sexually accept a female-to-male trans. bc I'd still consider "him" a woman. However I wouldn't be attracted to a person who looks male, so as far as certain criterias go it still wouldn't match my preferences. Only hypothetically.
Or in other words....If I were in a barfight I'd have no problem beating up a male2female but I would have reservations about hitting a female2male.
that's fine but it does mean you are transphobic. that you are discriminating a person based on no other reason than they are trans.
same as someone saying they wouldn't date a black person.
or someone saying they wouldn't date a jewish person.click to expand
That's ridiculous.
I'm not into Pakistani or Thai chicks either. Just a preference and one I'm entitled to. Who is said "discrimination" hurting?
Do you see a sign outside my home that says "No trans allowed"? Do u see said sign outside my office?
Isn't it just lika a typical liberal SJW leftist to dictate who I should or shouldn't want to fuck. You are now interfering with what ppl do in the privacy of their bedrooms now too.. jfc
It would make a great plot for a porno though. "If you don't fuck me, you're racist!"
Posted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?
it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?
If I was a serial killer and killed a few people prior to our first date and we went out and had a great time, then planned a second date.
Should I tell you I murdered someone previously, so you can have the choice to live or die or should I just kill you on the second date?
are you saying being transgender is the same as being a serial killer?
Why can’t I compare being something hidden like a serial killer to a trans person, but you can bring in the race of someone’s grand parent like it’s the same thing and not question that lol.
because neither make any material difference to the person and their character. a serial killer is a risk to life and against social norms. unless you think being trans is somehow immoral.
I think it is a judge to anyone’s character by not letting another person know of anything that will make a significant affect to someone’s life.
If I dated a person who said they only preferred Caucasians but I looked Caucasian and had a great grandparent who was black, it would be pretty easy to assume what would happen if they found out.
BUT if I knew this preference and disclosed that, yes I look Caucasian, but I have a relative that’s black in my family, things may turn out differently because the choice would be left up to the other person. There could be a conversation had about understanding and what can happen next. They aren’t blindsided.
I think honesty is best in most decisions.
If a female to male trans came to me and had a sex change and wanted to date. I would have to think about the penile implant that I or he would have to manually pump every time we have sex. The lifetime supply of hormone pills associated with the change and things like this. It’s a life that needs to be accepted and not forced on to the other person.
I don’t think it’s just as simple as being phobic of anything.click to expand
i'm not suggesting it be forced on you but you are equating it with something that has to be apologised, hidden or being ashamed of (like being a serial killer and being murdered on the second date).
it makes no material difference to a person's character if they are trans and what you are saying is that it does. this i don't agree with.
if you love a person, you love that person. you don't love them because they don't take hormone pills everyday.
Posted by jeane
because neither make any material difference to the person and their character. a serial killer is a risk to life and against social norms. unless you think being trans is somehow immoral.
'Against social norms' does not equate immoral. Trans and BDD is definitely against social norms. It is abnormal but not immoral. Stop trying to squeeze one by
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?
it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?
If a lesbian is texting with a dude catfishing as a female and catches feelings for "her", does that make the lesbian straight?
Bottom line, I still don't consider a transitioned person the sex they transitioned to. That's just my personal view, preference or hang-up. I respect if you don't agree with me, but I don't respect that you wouldn't share it before considering dating me. I have the right to know. You have the right not to disclose, but it's on you to figure out if I'm into it before going any further.
That btw also means that hypothetically I could romantically and sexually accept a female-to-male trans. bc I'd still consider "him" a woman. However I wouldn't be attracted to a person who looks male, so as far as certain criterias go it still wouldn't match my preferences. Only hypothetically.
Or in other words....If I were in a barfight I'd have no problem beating up a male2female but I would have reservations about hitting a female2male.
that's fine but it does mean you are transphobic. that you are discriminating a person based on no other reason than they are trans.
same as someone saying they wouldn't date a black person.
or someone saying they wouldn't date a jewish person.
That's ridiculous.
I'm not into Pakistani or Thai chicks either. Just a preference and one I'm entitled to. Who is said "discrimination" hurting?
Do you see a sign outside my home that says "No trans allowed"? Do u see said sign outside my office?
Isn't it just lika a typical liberal SJW leftist to dictate who I should or shouldn't want to fuck. You are now interfering with what ppl do in the privacy of their bedrooms now too.. jfc
It would make a great plot for a porno though. "If you don't fuck me, you're racist!"click to expand
you can fuck whomever you like.
if you met a thai chick who you liked, found attractive, enjoyed their company but then turned around and said, i'm sorry we can't date because you're thai then you are racist. shit, sorry that the english language isn't there to ease your biases.
you know when you start using pejoratives (or what you deem to be pejoratives) as a sort of personal attack you've lost the debate right?
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by jeane
because neither make any material difference to the person and their character. a serial killer is a risk to life and against social norms. unless you think being trans is somehow immoral.
'Against social norms' does not equate immoral. Trans and BDD is definitely against social norms. It is abnormal but not immoral. Stop trying to squeeze one byclick to expand
Dude your very good. Hitting every argument on the head.
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by jeane
because neither make any material difference to the person and their character. a serial killer is a risk to life and against social norms. unless you think being trans is somehow immoral.
'Against social norms' does not equate immoral. Trans and BDD is definitely against social norms. It is abnormal but not immoral. Stop trying to squeeze one byclick to expand
it's not against social norms in my country. transpeople are very much accepted as contributing members of society.
what country are you from?
Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?
it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?
If I was a serial killer and killed a few people prior to our first date and we went out and had a great time, then planned a second date.
Should I tell you I murdered someone previously, so you can have the choice to live or die or should I just kill you on the second date?
are you saying being transgender is the same as being a serial killer?
Why can’t I compare being something hidden like a serial killer to a trans person, but you can bring in the race of someone’s grand parent like it’s the same thing and not question that lol.
because neither make any material difference to the person and their character. a serial killer is a risk to life and against social norms. unless you think being trans is somehow immoral.
I think it is a judge to anyone’s character by not letting another person know of anything that will make a significant affect to someone’s life.
If I dated a person who said they only preferred Caucasians but I looked Caucasian and had a great grandparent who was black, it would be pretty easy to assume what would happen if they found out.
BUT if I knew this preference and disclosed that, yes I look Caucasian, but I have a relative that’s black in my family, things may turn out differently because the choice would be left up to the other person. There could be a conversation had about understanding and what can happen next. They aren’t blindsided.
I think honesty is best in most decisions.
If a female to male trans came to me and had a sex change and wanted to date. I would have to think about the penile implant that I or he would have to manually pump every time we have sex. The lifetime supply of hormone pills associated with the change and things like this. It’s a life that needs to be accepted and not forced on to the other person.
I don’t think it’s just as simple as being phobic of anything.
i'm not suggesting it be forced on you but you are equating it with something that has to be apologised, hidden or being ashamed of (like being a serial killer and being murdered on the second date).
it makes no material difference to a person's character if they are trans and what you are saying is that it does. this i don't agree with.
if you love a person, you love that person. you don't love them because they don't take hormone pills everyday.click to expand
Everyone has a right to be who they want to be in their own skin.
There’s nothing to apologize, hide or be shamed for. Which is why I said it should be mentioned because there is no shame in coming in to who they are meant to be. So we are in agreement then.
They should find a partner who accepts them for who they are.
Looks don’t matter. But acceptance does.
I don’t like men with anger issues and I won’t date them if I see it will be a problem for me. It’s a preference.
They are free to date others though and I’m not getting upset or feeling bad that they don’t like hearing me tell them I’m not interested.
It’s ridiculous to think someone has a phobia because of their preference and bias to the sex of their choosing.
Posted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?
it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?
If I was a serial killer and killed a few people prior to our first date and we went out and had a great time, then planned a second date.
Should I tell you I murdered someone previously, so you can have the choice to live or die or should I just kill you on the second date?
are you saying being transgender is the same as being a serial killer?
Why can’t I compare being something hidden like a serial killer to a trans person, but you can bring in the race of someone’s grand parent like it’s the same thing and not question that lol.
because neither make any material difference to the person and their character. a serial killer is a risk to life and against social norms. unless you think being trans is somehow immoral.
I think it is a judge to anyone’s character by not letting another person know of anything that will make a significant affect to someone’s life.
If I dated a person who said they only preferred Caucasians but I looked Caucasian and had a great grandparent who was black, it would be pretty easy to assume what would happen if they found out.
BUT if I knew this preference and disclosed that, yes I look Caucasian, but I have a relative that’s black in my family, things may turn out differently because the choice would be left up to the other person. There could be a conversation had about understanding and what can happen next. They aren’t blindsided.
I think honesty is best in most decisions.
If a female to male trans came to me and had a sex change and wanted to date. I would have to think about the penile implant that I or he would have to manually pump every time we have sex. The lifetime supply of hormone pills associated with the change and things like this. It’s a life that needs to be accepted and not forced on to the other person.
I don’t think it’s just as simple as being phobic of anything.
i'm not suggesting it be forced on you but you are equating it with something that has to be apologised, hidden or being ashamed of (like being a serial killer and being murdered on the second date).
it makes no material difference to a person's character if they are trans and what you are saying is that it does. this i don't agree with.
if you love a person, you love that person. you don't love them because they don't take hormone pills everyday.
Everyone has a right to be who they want to be in their own skin.
There’s nothing to apologize, hide or be shamed for. Which is why I said it should be mentioned because there is no shame in coming in to who they are meant to be. So we are in agreement then.
They should find a partner who accepts them for who they are.
Looks don’t matter. But acceptance does.
I don’t like men with anger issues and I won’t date them if I see it will be a problem for me. It’s a preference.
They are free to date others though and I’m not getting upset or feeling bad that they don’t like hearing me tell them I’m not interested.
It’s ridiculous to think someone has a phobia because of their preference and bias to the sex of their choosing.click to expand
transphobia noun
trans·pho·bia | \ ˌtran(t)s-ˈfō-bē-ə , ˌtranz- \
Definition of transphobia
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against transgender people
if you discriminate against a person based on them for no other reason than being trans then you are transphobic. it is literally the dictionary definition.
if the person has the gender that you are attracted to, is post surgery, looks like the gender you are attracted to, you are attracted to them, they have a winning personality, nice to animals, would make a loving and amazing partner but you refuse to have a relationship with because they are trans then that is discrimination.
transpeople as an entire group cannot be equated to angry men. their existence alone doesn't not cause you emotional pain or is a risk to your safety. it is not the same.
Posted by jeane
if you met a thai chick who you liked, found attractive, enjoyed their company but then turned around and said, i'm sorry we can't date because you're thai then you are racist. shit, sorry that the english language isn't there to ease your biases.
you know when you start using pejoratives (or what you deem to be pejoratives) as a sort of personal attack you've lost the debate right?
If a lesbian was catfished by a male who pretended to be female, and liked, found attractive & enjoyed his company but then upon finding out turned around and said, i'm sorry we can't date because you're a male.......
What does that make her?
Posted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?
it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?
If a lesbian is texting with a dude catfishing as a female and catches feelings for "her", does that make the lesbian straight?
Bottom line, I still don't consider a transitioned person the sex they transitioned to. That's just my personal view, preference or hang-up. I respect if you don't agree with me, but I don't respect that you wouldn't share it before considering dating me. I have the right to know. You have the right not to disclose, but it's on you to figure out if I'm into it before going any further.
That btw also means that hypothetically I could romantically and sexually accept a female-to-male trans. bc I'd still consider "him" a woman. However I wouldn't be attracted to a person who looks male, so as far as certain criterias go it still wouldn't match my preferences. Only hypothetically.
Or in other words....If I were in a barfight I'd have no problem beating up a male2female but I would have reservations about hitting a female2male.
that's fine but it does mean you are transphobic. that you are discriminating a person based on no other reason than they are trans.
same as someone saying they wouldn't date a black person.
or someone saying they wouldn't date a jewish person.click to expand
That’s not entirely discrimination. That’s preference. I know black women that only white guys. No racism. I know a Asian guy who’s not into dating Asian women. But he loves his culture and heritage
?question: Would you date a 115 year old man/women
Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?
it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?
If I was a serial killer and killed a few people prior to our first date and we went out and had a great time, then planned a second date.
Should I tell you I murdered someone previously, so you can have the choice to live or die or should I just kill you on the second date?
are you saying being transgender is the same as being a serial killer?
Why can’t I compare being something hidden like a serial killer to a trans person, but you can bring in the race of someone’s grand parent like it’s the same thing and not question that lol.
because neither make any material difference to the person and their character. a serial killer is a risk to life and against social norms. unless you think being trans is somehow immoral.
I think it is a judge to anyone’s character by not letting another person know of anything that will make a significant affect to someone’s life.
If I dated a person who said they only preferred Caucasians but I looked Caucasian and had a great grandparent who was black, it would be pretty easy to assume what would happen if they found out.
BUT if I knew this preference and disclosed that, yes I look Caucasian, but I have a relative that’s black in my family, things may turn out differently because the choice would be left up to the other person. There could be a conversation had about understanding and what can happen next. They aren’t blindsided.
I think honesty is best in most decisions.
If a female to male trans came to me and had a sex change and wanted to date. I would have to think about the penile implant that I or he would have to manually pump every time we have sex. The lifetime supply of hormone pills associated with the change and things like this. It’s a life that needs to be accepted and not forced on to the other person.
I don’t think it’s just as simple as being phobic of anything.
i'm not suggesting it be forced on you but you are equating it with something that has to be apologised, hidden or being ashamed of (like being a serial killer and being murdered on the second date).
it makes no material difference to a person's character if they are trans and what you are saying is that it does. this i don't agree with.
if you love a person, you love that person. you don't love them because they don't take hormone pills everyday.
Everyone has a right to be who they want to be in their own skin.
There’s nothing to apologize, hide or be shamed for. Which is why I said it should be mentioned because there is no shame in coming in to who they are meant to be. So we are in agreement then.
They should find a partner who accepts them for who they are.
Looks don’t matter. But acceptance does.
I don’t like men with anger issues and I won’t date them if I see it will be a problem for me. It’s a preference.
They are free to date others though and I’m not getting upset or feeling bad that they don’t like hearing me tell them I’m not interested.
It’s ridiculous to think someone has a phobia because of their preference and bias to the sex of their choosing.
transphobia noun
trans·pho·bia | \ ˌtran(t)s-ˈfō-bē-ə , ˌtranz- \
Definition of transphobia
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against transgender people
if you discriminate against a person based on them for no other reason than being trans then you are transphobic. it is literally the dictionary definition.
if the person has the gender that you are attracted to, is post surgery, looks like the gender you are attracted to, you are attracted to them, they have a winning personality, nice to animals, would make a loving and amazing partner but you refuse to have a relationship with because they are trans then that is discrimination.
transpeople as an entire group cannot be equated to angry men. their existence alone doesn't not cause you emotional pain or is a risk to your safety. it is not the same.click to expand
Is a person not wanting to date someone fearful of them? No
Discriminating against them? Nope there is no crime in preferences
Aversion just means a strong dislike. By saying no to a date, is that a strong dislike? Nah
I can see if a person was being attacked or spit on or something lewd like that. Then yes it would be a phobia.
But not wanting to get a date started because the person isn’t their type is not transphobic.
Posted by xiongmao
Maybe the better wording would be "hope they'd be not rejected because the gender they identify with is different than what they were born with".
I'm on the "being upfront and honest" wagon. But I personally probably would not think a trans man had creepy intentions, just because I didn't find out before the first date.
Well that's kind of delusional of them. Any normal functioning person would surely establish that a romantic date is actually a romantic date outside their own heads & before going out?
Now granted not all dates are romantic, they are more about learning if there is romantic potential but I'd say a person's sex/gender and sexual orientation is the very foundation upon which you base whether or not you'd even consider a date with them.
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by jeane
if you met a thai chick who you liked, found attractive, enjoyed their company but then turned around and said, i'm sorry we can't date because you're thai then you are racist. shit, sorry that the english language isn't there to ease your biases.
you know when you start using pejoratives (or what you deem to be pejoratives) as a sort of personal attack you've lost the debate right?
If a lesbian was catfished by a male who pretended to be female, and liked, found attractive & enjoyed his company but then upon finding out turned around and said, i'm sorry we can't date because you're a male.......
What does that make her?click to expand
but we are not talking about men presenting as women. we are talking about women who are post surgery.
you guys are so hung up on being "tricked" somehow like it's the crying game or something.
Posted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?
it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?
If a lesbian is texting with a dude catfishing as a female and catches feelings for "her", does that make the lesbian straight?
Bottom line, I still don't consider a transitioned person the sex they transitioned to. That's just my personal view, preference or hang-up. I respect if you don't agree with me, but I don't respect that you wouldn't share it before considering dating me. I have the right to know. You have the right not to disclose, but it's on you to figure out if I'm into it before going any further.
That btw also means that hypothetically I could romantically and sexually accept a female-to-male trans. bc I'd still consider "him" a woman. However I wouldn't be attracted to a person who looks male, so as far as certain criterias go it still wouldn't match my preferences. Only hypothetically.
Or in other words....If I were in a barfight I'd have no problem beating up a male2female but I would have reservations about hitting a female2male.
that's fine but it does mean you are transphobic. that you are discriminating a person based on no other reason than they are trans.
same as someone saying they wouldn't date a black person.
or someone saying they wouldn't date a jewish person.
That’s not entirely discrimination. That’s preference. I know black women that only white guys. No racism. I know a Asian guy who’s not into dating Asian women. But he loves his culture and heritage
?question: Would you date a 115 year old man/womenclick to expand
that is discrimination if that is the only aspect which stops them from dating that person. if a black woman fell in love with a black man or your asian friend fell in love with an asian woman but both said, i'm sorry we can't continue because although you give me butterflies you are part of a group i don't usually go for so no thanks. then that is discrimination based on them being black/asian.
if i liked/loved them, hell yes i would date a 115 year old person. i'm not turning away the possibility of a genuine love because of something like that.
Posted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?
it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?
If I was a serial killer and killed a few people prior to our first date and we went out and had a great time, then planned a second date.
Should I tell you I murdered someone previously, so you can have the choice to live or die or should I just kill you on the second date?
are you saying being transgender is the same as being a serial killer?
Why can’t I compare being something hidden like a serial killer to a trans person, but you can bring in the race of someone’s grand parent like it’s the same thing and not question that lol.
because neither make any material difference to the person and their character. a serial killer is a risk to life and against social norms. unless you think being trans is somehow immoral.
I think it is a judge to anyone’s character by not letting another person know of anything that will make a significant affect to someone’s life.
If I dated a person who said they only preferred Caucasians but I looked Caucasian and had a great grandparent who was black, it would be pretty easy to assume what would happen if they found out.
BUT if I knew this preference and disclosed that, yes I look Caucasian, but I have a relative that’s black in my family, things may turn out differently because the choice would be left up to the other person. There could be a conversation had about understanding and what can happen next. They aren’t blindsided.
I think honesty is best in most decisions.
If a female to male trans came to me and had a sex change and wanted to date. I would have to think about the penile implant that I or he would have to manually pump every time we have sex. The lifetime supply of hormone pills associated with the change and things like this. It’s a life that needs to be accepted and not forced on to the other person.
I don’t think it’s just as simple as being phobic of anything.
i'm not suggesting it be forced on you but you are equating it with something that has to be apologised, hidden or being ashamed of (like being a serial killer and being murdered on the second date).
it makes no material difference to a person's character if they are trans and what you are saying is that it does. this i don't agree with.
if you love a person, you love that person. you don't love them because they don't take hormone pills everyday.
Everyone has a right to be who they want to be in their own skin.
There’s nothing to apologize, hide or be shamed for. Which is why I said it should be mentioned because there is no shame in coming in to who they are meant to be. So we are in agreement then.
They should find a partner who accepts them for who they are.
Looks don’t matter. But acceptance does.
I don’t like men with anger issues and I won’t date them if I see it will be a problem for me. It’s a preference.
They are free to date others though and I’m not getting upset or feeling bad that they don’t like hearing me tell them I’m not interested.
It’s ridiculous to think someone has a phobia because of their preference and bias to the sex of their choosing.
transphobia noun
trans·pho·bia | \ ˌtran(t)s-ˈfō-bē-ə , ˌtranz- \
Definition of transphobia
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against transgender people
if you discriminate against a person based on them for no other reason than being trans then you are transphobic. it is literally the dictionary definition.
if the person has the gender that you are attracted to, is post surgery, looks like the gender you are attracted to, you are attracted to them, they have a winning personality, nice to animals, would make a loving and amazing partner but you refuse to have a relationship with because they are trans then that is discrimination.
transpeople as an entire group cannot be equated to angry men. their existence alone doesn't not cause you emotional pain or is a risk to your safety. it is not the same.
Is a person not wanting to date someone fearful of them? No
Discriminating against them? Nope there is no crime in preferences
Aversion just means a strong dislike. By saying no to a date, is that a strong dislike? Nah
I can see if a person was being attacked or spit on or something lewd like that. Then yes it would be a phobia.
But not wanting to get a date started because the person isn’t their type is not transphobic.click to expand
i can't explain it to you anymore. if you don't know what discrimination when it is based on a single aspect to a person's personhood when applied to an entire group then i can't help you.
Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by saggurl88Posted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?
it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?
If I was a serial killer and killed a few people prior to our first date and we went out and had a great time, then planned a second date.
Should I tell you I murdered someone previously, so you can have the choice to live or die or should I just kill you on the second date?
are you saying being transgender is the same as being a serial killer?
Why can’t I compare being something hidden like a serial killer to a trans person, but you can bring in the race of someone’s grand parent like it’s the same thing and not question that lol.
because neither make any material difference to the person and their character. a serial killer is a risk to life and against social norms. unless you think being trans is somehow immoral.
I think it is a judge to anyone’s character by not letting another person know of anything that will make a significant affect to someone’s life.
If I dated a person who said they only preferred Caucasians but I looked Caucasian and had a great grandparent who was black, it would be pretty easy to assume what would happen if they found out.
BUT if I knew this preference and disclosed that, yes I look Caucasian, but I have a relative that’s black in my family, things may turn out differently because the choice would be left up to the other person. There could be a conversation had about understanding and what can happen next. They aren’t blindsided.
I think honesty is best in most decisions.
If a female to male trans came to me and had a sex change and wanted to date. I would have to think about the penile implant that I or he would have to manually pump every time we have sex. The lifetime supply of hormone pills associated with the change and things like this. It’s a life that needs to be accepted and not forced on to the other person.
I don’t think it’s just as simple as being phobic of anything.
i'm not suggesting it be forced on you but you are equating it with something that has to be apologised, hidden or being ashamed of (like being a serial killer and being murdered on the second date).
it makes no material difference to a person's character if they are trans and what you are saying is that it does. this i don't agree with.
if you love a person, you love that person. you don't love them because they don't take hormone pills everyday.
Everyone has a right to be who they want to be in their own skin.
There’s nothing to apologize, hide or be shamed for. Which is why I said it should be mentioned because there is no shame in coming in to who they are meant to be. So we are in agreement then.
They should find a partner who accepts them for who they are.
Looks don’t matter. But acceptance does.
I don’t like men with anger issues and I won’t date them if I see it will be a problem for me. It’s a preference.
They are free to date others though and I’m not getting upset or feeling bad that they don’t like hearing me tell them I’m not interested.
It’s ridiculous to think someone has a phobia because of their preference and bias to the sex of their choosing.
transphobia noun
trans·pho·bia | \ ˌtran(t)s-ˈfō-bē-ə , ˌtranz- \
Definition of transphobia
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against transgender people
if you discriminate against a person based on them for no other reason than being trans then you are transphobic. it is literally the dictionary definition.
if the person has the gender that you are attracted to, is post surgery, looks like the gender you are attracted to, you are attracted to them, they have a winning personality, nice to animals, would make a loving and amazing partner but you refuse to have a relationship with because they are trans then that is discrimination.
transpeople as an entire group cannot be equated to angry men. their existence alone doesn't not cause you emotional pain or is a risk to your safety. it is not the same.click to expand
PHOBIA
phobia noun
pho·bia | \ ˈfō-bē-ə \
Definition of phobia (Entry 1 of 2)
: an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation
So the Trans Phobia means Fear of Trans.
Break the words down
Trans + Phobia
No where does these two words include coming together mean discrimination. That was added because there is no massive nation wide discrimination against trans people. So it was added to these two words creating portmanteau but leaving a third word out.
They couldn’t say transRacism because being trans is not a race(as of yet). Also In this same knowledge having a phobia mean anyone can be discriminating against , spiders, clowns, balloons and heights.
Lastly to add “phobia means it is a medically uncontrollable reaction. Your Giving some one the excuse to fear you medically and legally. And Some people never get over phobias.
If I can stand next to you it’s not a phobia.
If I believe you deserve equal rights. How can discriminate.
If I don’t date trans women. Preference
Posted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?
it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?
If a lesbian is texting with a dude catfishing as a female and catches feelings for "her", does that make the lesbian straight?
Bottom line, I still don't consider a transitioned person the sex they transitioned to. That's just my personal view, preference or hang-up. I respect if you don't agree with me, but I don't respect that you wouldn't share it before considering dating me. I have the right to know. You have the right not to disclose, but it's on you to figure out if I'm into it before going any further.
That btw also means that hypothetically I could romantically and sexually accept a female-to-male trans. bc I'd still consider "him" a woman. However I wouldn't be attracted to a person who looks male, so as far as certain criterias go it still wouldn't match my preferences. Only hypothetically.
Or in other words....If I were in a barfight I'd have no problem beating up a male2female but I would have reservations about hitting a female2male.
that's fine but it does mean you are transphobic. that you are discriminating a person based on no other reason than they are trans.
same as someone saying they wouldn't date a black person.
or someone saying they wouldn't date a jewish person.
That’s not entirely discrimination. That’s preference. I know black women who date only white guys. No racism. I know a Asian guy who’s not into dating Asian women. But he loves his culture and heritage
?question: Would you date a 115 year old man/womenclick to expand
Posted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by jeane
if you met a thai chick who you liked, found attractive, enjoyed their company but then turned around and said, i'm sorry we can't date because you're thai then you are racist. shit, sorry that the english language isn't there to ease your biases.
you know when you start using pejoratives (or what you deem to be pejoratives) as a sort of personal attack you've lost the debate right?
If a lesbian was catfished by a male who pretended to be female, and liked, found attractive & enjoyed his company but then upon finding out turned around and said, i'm sorry we can't date because you're a male.......
What does that make her?
but we are not talking about men presenting as women. we are talking about women who are post surgery.
you guys are so hung up on being "tricked" somehow like it's the crying game or something.click to expand
So you are going to dictate what a person's sexual prefrences or feelings should be like "accurately" and if I lose attraction to a post-op woman after finding out she was a man, those personal preferences are transphobic?
Doesn't the trans community struggle to establish that there are more than one way to define sex or gender, some of which completely disregard biology, so by that logic there should also be room for the other person to define what makes a woman woman to them, without being labelled as transphobic. Since clearly there isn't just one definition even in HBQT circles.
What if I believe in a soul and that the energy that incarnates our bodies is inherently male of female and transitioning makes no difference? Who is anyone to judge or say that's phobic considering a lot of these trans lobbyists aren't precisely preaching from a place of reality.
But ok if I'm transphobic then I shall from now on refer to transgendered as "genderphobic". 👍
Posted by jeanePosted by SuperSize9Posted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by jeanePosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by xiongmaoPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.
Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷♀️
I think everyone does this for the same reason?
A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?
It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.
So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.
and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?
it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?
If a lesbian is texting with a dude catfishing as a female and catches feelings for "her", does that make the lesbian straight?
Bottom line, I still don't consider a transitioned person the sex they transitioned to. That's just my personal view, preference or hang-up. I respect if you don't agree with me, but I don't respect that you wouldn't share it before considering dating me. I have the right to know. You have the right not to disclose, but it's on you to figure out if I'm into it before going any further.
That btw also means that hypothetically I could romantically and sexually accept a female-to-male trans. bc I'd still consider "him" a woman. However I wouldn't be attracted to a person who looks male, so as far as certain criterias go it still wouldn't match my preferences. Only hypothetically.
Or in other words....If I were in a barfight I'd have no problem beating up a male2female but I would have reservations about hitting a female2male.
that's fine but it does mean you are transphobic. that you are discriminating a person based on no other reason than they are trans.
same as someone saying they wouldn't date a black person.
or someone saying they wouldn't date a jewish person.
That’s not entirely discrimination. That’s preference. I know black women that only white guys. No racism. I know a Asian guy who’s not into dating Asian women. But he loves his culture and heritage
?question: Would you date a 115 year old man/women
that is discrimination if that is the only aspect which stops them from dating that person. if a black woman fell in love with a black man or your asian friend fell in love with an asian woman but both said, i'm sorry we can't continue because although you give me butterflies you are part of a group i don't usually go for so no thanks. then that is discrimination based on them being black/asian.
if i liked/loved them, hell yes i would date a 115 year old person. i'm not turning away the possibility of a genuine love because of something like that.click to expand
I didn’t say it wasn’t discrimination I said it wasn’t racist or lack of heritage. I said your post was not ENTIRELY discrimination because the 2nd word I used “Preference” can be misinterpreted as discrimination
And your a Lier, you would date someone who you know would be passing away at anytime due specifically to age. If so that’s grossly inhuman. A 115 year old is at the latest stage in their life span almost child like and state. They wouldn’t be able to love you or relate to you or comprehend you. Partially blind and deaf.
You’d say anything to prove nothing
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Gender preferences to most ppl whatever those may be, come first. Before personality or any other factor. It's biology.
A guy approaches you and if u were a female with a bf you'd have no problem telling them "sorry i have a boyfriend" but same scenario + chick with dick and you're saying it would be a problem to just say "maybe but i may not be your cup of tea, I'm M2F transgender"
If you are trying promote trans acceptance, this should be a norm for dating ethics in 2021. They should follow the same set of rules as the rest of us.
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Of course I can fall in love with a dude under certain circumstances, like if I'm texting and getting to know a person and falling in love with them thinking it's a woman but is actually a man catfishing me.
So does that change my sexual preferences? Does a lesbian become straight for falling in love with a catfishing dude over text?
No. Not if she's really lesbian. Not once she learns the facts.