Trying to understand Transgender (Page 3)

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Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.

Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷‍♀️

I think everyone does this for the same reason?

A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?

It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.

So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.

and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?

it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?

If I was a serial killer and killed a few people prior to our first date and we went out and had a great time, then planned a second date.

Should I tell you I murdered someone previously, so you can have the choice to live or die or should I just kill you on the second date?

are you saying being transgender is the same as being a serial killer?

Why can’t I compare being something hidden like a serial killer to a trans person, but you can bring in the race of someone’s grand parent like it’s the same thing and not question that lol.

because neither make any material difference to the person and their character. a serial killer is a risk to life and against social norms. unless you think being trans is somehow immoral.

I think it is a judge to anyone’s character by not letting another person know of anything that will make a significant affect to someone’s life.

If I dated a person who said they only preferred Caucasians but I looked Caucasian and had a great grandparent who was black, it would be pretty easy to assume what would happen if they found out.

BUT if I knew this preference and disclosed that, yes I look Caucasian, but I have a relative that’s black in my family, things may turn out differently because the choice would be left up to the other person. There could be a conversation had about understanding and what can happen next. They aren’t blindsided.

I think honesty is best in most decisions.

If a female to male trans came to me and had a sex change and wanted to date. I would have to think about the penile implant that I or he would have to manually pump every time we have sex. The lifetime supply of hormone pills associated with the change and things like this. It’s a life that needs to be accepted and not forced on to the other person.

I don’t think it’s just as simple as being phobic of anything.

i'm not suggesting it be forced on you but you are equating it with something that has to be apologised, hidden or being ashamed of (like being a serial killer and being murdered on the second date).

it makes no material difference to a person's character if they are trans and what you are saying is that it does. this i don't agree with.

if you love a person, you love that person. you don't love them because they don't take hormone pills everyday.

Everyone has a right to be who they want to be in their own skin.

There’s nothing to apologize, hide or be shamed for. Which is why I said it should be mentioned because there is no shame in coming in to who they are meant to be. So we are in agreement then.

They should find a partner who accepts them for who they are.

Looks don’t matter. But acceptance does.

I don’t like men with anger issues and I won’t date them if I see it will be a problem for me. It’s a preference.

They are free to date others though and I’m not getting upset or feeling bad that they don’t like hearing me tell them I’m not interested.

It’s ridiculous to think someone has a phobia because of their preference and bias to the sex of their choosing.

transphobia noun

trans·​pho·​bia | \ ˌtran(t)s-ˈfō-bē-ə , ˌtranz- \

Definition of transphobia

: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against transgender people

if you discriminate against a person based on them for no other reason than being trans then you are transphobic. it is literally the dictionary definition.

if the person has the gender that you are attracted to, is post surgery, looks like the gender you are attracted to, you are attracted to them, they have a winning personality, nice to animals, would make a loving and amazing partner but you refuse to have a relationship with because they are trans then that is discrimination.

transpeople as an entire group cannot be equated to angry men. their existence alone doesn't not cause you emotional pain or is a risk to your safety. it is not the same.

PHOBIA

phobia noun

pho·​bia | \ ˈfō-bē-ə \

Definition of phobia (Entry 1 of 2)

: an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation

So the Trans Phobia means Fear of Trans.

Break the words down

Trans + Phobia

No where does these two words coming together mean discrimination. That was added, because there is no massive nation wide discrimination against trans people anywhere. So it was added to these two words creating portmanteau but leaving a third word out that couldn’t fit in to present discrimination.

They couldn’t say transRacism, because being trans is not a race(as of yet). Also In this same knowledge having a phobia mean anyone can be discriminating against anything including spiders, clowns, balloons and heights.

Lastly to add “phobia means it is a medically uncontrollable reaction. Your Giving some one the excuse to fear you medically and legally. And Some people never get over phobias.

If I can stand next to you it’s not a phobia.

If I believe you deserve equal rights. How can discriminate.

If I don’t date trans women. Preference

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if i liked/loved them, hell yes i would date a 115 year old person. i'm not turning away the possibility of a genuine love because of something like that.

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if you met a thai chick who you liked, found attractive, enjoyed their company but then turned around and said, i'm sorry we can't date because you're thai then you are racist. shit, sorry that the english language isn't there to ease your biases.

you know when you start using pejoratives (or what you deem to be pejoratives) as a sort of personal attack you've lost the debate right?

If a lesbian was catfished by a male who pretended to be female, and liked, found attractive & enjoyed his company but then upon finding out turned around and said, i'm sorry we can't date because you're a male.......

What does that make her?

but we are not talking about men presenting as women. we are talking about women who are post surgery.

you guys are so hung up on being "tricked" somehow like it's the crying game or something.

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Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.

Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷‍♀️

I think everyone does this for the same reason?

A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?

It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.

So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.

and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?

it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?

If a lesbian is texting with a dude catfishing as a female and catches feelings for "her", does that make the lesbian straight?



Bottom line, I still don't consider a transitioned person the sex they transitioned to. That's just my personal view, preference or hang-up. I respect if you don't agree with me, but I don't respect that you wouldn't share it before considering dating me. I have the right to know. You have the right not to disclose, but it's on you to figure out if I'm into it before going any further.

That btw also means that hypothetically I could romantically and sexually accept a female-to-male trans. bc I'd still consider "him" a woman. However I wouldn't be attracted to a person who looks male, so as far as certain criterias go it still wouldn't match my preferences. Only hypothetically.

Or in other words....If I were in a barfight I'd have no problem beating up a male2female but I would have reservations about hitting a female2male.

that's fine but it does mean you are transphobic. that you are discriminating a person based on no other reason than they are trans.

same as someone saying they wouldn't date a black person.

or someone saying they wouldn't date a jewish person.

That’s not entirely discrimination. That’s preference. I know black women that only white guys. No racism. I know a Asian guy who’s not into dating Asian women. But he loves his culture and heritage

?question: Would you date a 115 year old man/women

that is discrimination if that is the only aspect which stops them from dating that person. if a black woman fell in love with a black man or your asian friend fell in love with an asian woman but both said, i'm sorry we can't continue because although you give me butterflies you are part of a group i don't usually go for so no thanks. then that is discrimination based on them being black/asian.if i liked/loved them, hell yes i would date a 115 year old person. i'm not turning away the possibility of a genuine love because of something like that.

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Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.

Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷‍♀️

I think everyone does this for the same reason?

A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?

It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.

So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.

and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?

it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?

If I was a serial killer and killed a few people prior to our first date and we went out and had a great time, then planned a second date.

Should I tell you I murdered someone previously, so you can have the choice to live or die or should I just kill you on the second date?

are you saying being transgender is the same as being a serial killer?

Why can’t I compare being something hidden like a serial killer to a trans person, but you can bring in the race of someone’s grand parent like it’s the same thing and not question that lol.

because neither make any material difference to the person and their character. a serial killer is a risk to life and against social norms. unless you think being trans is somehow immoral.

I think it is a judge to anyone’s character by not letting another person know of anything that will make a significant affect to someone’s life.

If I dated a person who said they only preferred Caucasians but I looked Caucasian and had a great grandparent who was black, it would be pretty easy to assume what would happen if they found out.

BUT if I knew this preference and disclosed that, yes I look Caucasian, but I have a relative that’s black in my family, things may turn out differently because the choice would be left up to the other person. There could be a conversation had about understanding and what can happen next. They aren’t blindsided.

I think honesty is best in most decisions.

If a female to male trans came to me and had a sex change and wanted to date. I would have to think about the penile implant that I or he would have to manually pump every time we have sex. The lifetime supply of hormone pills associated with the change and things like this. It’s a life that needs to be accepted and not forced on to the other person.

I don’t think it’s just as simple as being phobic of anything.

i'm not suggesting it be forced on you but you are equating it with something that has to be apologised, hidden or being ashamed of (like being a serial killer and being murdered on the second date).

it makes no material difference to a person's character if they are trans and what you are saying is that it does. this i don't agree with.

if you love a person, you love that person. you don't love them because they don't take hormone pills everyday.

Everyone has a right to be who they want to be in their own skin.

There’s nothing to apologize, hide or be shamed for. Which is why I said it should be mentioned because there is no shame in coming in to who they are meant to be. So we are in agreement then.

They should find a partner who accepts them for who they are.

Looks don’t matter. But acceptance does.

I don’t like men with anger issues and I won’t date them if I see it will be a problem for me. It’s a preference.

They are free to date others though and I’m not getting upset or feeling bad that they don’t like hearing me tell them I’m not interested.

It’s ridiculous to think someone has a phobia because of their preference and bias to the sex of their choosing.

transphobia noun

trans·​pho·​bia | \ ˌtran(t)s-ˈfō-bē-ə , ˌtranz- \

Definition of transphobia

: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against transgender people

if you discriminate against a person based on them for no other reason than being trans then you are transphobic. it is literally the dictionary definition.

if the person has the gender that you are attracted to, is post surgery, looks like the gender you are attracted to, you are attracted to them, they have a winning personality, nice to animals, would make a loving and amazing partner but you refuse to have a relationship with because they are trans then that is discrimination.

transpeople as an entire group cannot be equated to angry men. their existence alone doesn't not cause you emotional pain or is a risk to your safety. it is not the same.

PHOBIA

phobia noun

pho·​bia | \ ˈfō-bē-ə \

Definition of phobia (Entry 1 of 2)

: an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation

So the Trans Phobia means Fear of Trans.

Break the words down

Trans + Phobia

No where does these two words include coming together mean discrimination. That was added because there is no massive nation wide discrimination against trans people. So it was added to these two words creating portmanteau but leaving a third word out.

They couldn’t say transRacism because being trans is not a race(as of yet). Also In this same knowledge having a phobia mean anyone can be discriminating against , spiders, clowns, balloons and heights.

Lastly to add “phobia means it is a medically uncontrollable reaction. Your Giving some one the excuse to fear you medically and legally. And Some people never get over phobias.

If I can next to you it’s not a phobia.

If I believe you deserve equal rights. How can discriminate.

If I don’t date trans women. Preference

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if you met a thai chick who you liked, found attractive, enjoyed their company but then turned around and said, i'm sorry we can't date because you're thai then you are racist. shit, sorry that the english language isn't there to ease your biases.

you know when you start using pejoratives (or what you deem to be pejoratives) as a sort of personal attack you've lost the debate right?

If a lesbian was catfished by a male who pretended to be female, and liked, found attractive & enjoyed his company but then upon finding out turned around and said, i'm sorry we can't date because you're a male.......

What does that make her?

but we are not talking about men presenting as women. we are talking about women who are post surgery.

you guys are so hung up on being "tricked" somehow like it's the crying game or something.

So you are going to dictate what a person's sexual prefrences or feelings should be like "accurately" and if I lose attraction to a post-op woman after finding out she was a man, those personal preferences are transphobic?

Doesn't the trans community struggle to establish that there are more than one way to define sex or gender, some of which completely disregard biology, so by that logic there should also be room for the other person to define what makes a woman woman to them, without being labelled as transphobic. Since clearly there isn't just one definition even in HBQT circles.

What if I believe in a soul and that the energy that incarnates our bodies is inherently male of female and transitioning makes no difference? Who is anyone to judge or say that's phobic considering a lot of these trans lobbyists aren't precisely preaching from a place of reality.

But ok if I'm transphobic then I shall from now on refer to transgendered as "genderphobic". 👍

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Posted by Enfant-Terrible-II

Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.

Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷‍♀️

I think everyone does this for the same reason?

A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?

It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.

So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.

and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?

it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?

If a lesbian is texting with a dude catfishing as a female and catches feelings for "her", does that make the lesbian straight?



Bottom line, I still don't consider a transitioned person the sex they transitioned to. That's just my personal view, preference or hang-up. I respect if you don't agree with me, but I don't respect that you wouldn't share it before considering dating me. I have the right to know. You have the right not to disclose, but it's on you to figure out if I'm into it before going any further.

That btw also means that hypothetically I could romantically and sexually accept a female-to-male trans. bc I'd still consider "him" a woman. However I wouldn't be attracted to a person who looks male, so as far as certain criterias go it still wouldn't match my preferences. Only hypothetically.

Or in other words....If I were in a barfight I'd have no problem beating up a male2female but I would have reservations about hitting a female2male.

that's fine but it does mean you are transphobic. that you are discriminating a person based on no other reason than they are trans.

same as someone saying they wouldn't date a black person.

or someone saying they wouldn't date a jewish person.

That’s not entirely discrimination. That’s preference. I know black women that only white guys. No racism. I know a Asian guy who’s not into dating Asian women. But he loves his culture and heritage

?question: Would you date a 115 year old man/women

that is discrimination if that is the only aspect which stops them from dating that person. if a black woman fell in love with a black man or your asian friend fell in love with an asian woman but both said, i'm sorry we can't continue because although you give me butterflies you are part of a group i don't usually go for so no thanks. then that is discrimination based on them being black/asian.

if i liked/loved them, hell yes i would date a 115 year old person. i'm not turning away the possibility of a genuine love because of something like that.

I didn’t say it wasn’t discrimination I said it wasn’t racist or lack of heritage. I said your post was not ENTIRELY discrimination because the 2nd word I used “Preference” can be misinterpreted as discrimination

And your a Lier, you would date someone who you know would be passing away at anytime due specifically to age. If so that’s grossly inhuman. A 115 year old is at the latest stage in their life span almost child like and state. They wouldn’t be able to love you or relate to you or comprehend you. Partially blind and deaf.

You’d say anything to prove nothing

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if i liked/loved them, hell yes i would date a 115 year old person. i'm not turning away the possibility of a genuine love because of something like that.

Ok, post the ages of all the ppl in your dating history. Let's see how many 70+ ppl there are and just how non-discriminatory you really are. It'd seem weird if you couldn't find a single geriatric to love considering what a huge population they are? What are you, geriatrophobic?

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No you're not transphobic. If we're talking post op the fake pussy doesn't even get wet let alone spit out babies. If it's preop then it's just gay.

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Posted by jeane

if you met a thai chick who you liked, found attractive, enjoyed their company but then turned around and said, i'm sorry we can't date because you're thai then you are racist. shit, sorry that the english language isn't there to ease your biases.

you know when you start using pejoratives (or what you deem to be pejoratives) as a sort of personal attack you've lost the debate right?

If a lesbian was catfished by a male who pretended to be female, and liked, found attractive & enjoyed his company but then upon finding out turned around and said, i'm sorry we can't date because you're a male.......

What does that make her?

but we are not talking about men presenting as women. we are talking about women who are post surgery.

you guys are so hung up on being "tricked" somehow like it's the crying game or something.

It is the Crying Game.

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What amazes me about this topic is people accept the fact that trans people have the right to conceal information about them, and not reveal that they are trans, But don't respect other people's choice to not date trans. If it's a free world, should be free for everybody not just trans.

If u start dating someone and they hide sth that's gonna affect your life then yes they should let you know, so you know what to expect, I'd be more willing to be with someone regardless their situation if they were HONEST about themselves and not trying to trick anyone into their delusion just because they want to fit.

And you said transwomen are real women, how do you know? Have you tried their vaginas? Maybe it's not as a real woman's vagina, maybe some men won't find it good enough as a real woman's, who are we to force that on them? Us women complain all the time here about size, micropenises and whatnot but expect guys to just accept some hole. SMH

I'm not saying trans should be killed or hang or cancelled or whatever terms they use today, but if you wanna call me transphobic I'm fine with that.

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Posted by Enfant-Terrible-II

Why would a trans person go on dates with someone they don't even know is accepting of their sex/gender in this context. That's just weird.

Why would a person go on dates with another person? 🤷‍♀️

I think everyone does this for the same reason?

A date means going out with someone under romantic pretences. That is already impossible before it even starts if their sex or "gender" doesn't match your sexual orientation ! That if anything is the very first elimination factor for most people. Why keep bullshitting yourself? Again, why even consider going on a date with someone who doesn't have the No. 1 elimination factor clear to them?

It's kind of mindblowing that I have to explain this.

So to answer your question, ppl go on dates to probe the waters with someone they figure they are romantically and sexually compatible.

and if their gender (and sexual organs) matches your sexual preference?

it's like saying dating someone and then finding out that one of their ancestors was a person of colour. if you then choose not to continue to date them based on that would that make you racist?

If a lesbian is texting with a dude catfishing as a female and catches feelings for "her", does that make the lesbian straight?



Bottom line, I still don't consider a transitioned person the sex they transitioned to. That's just my personal view, preference or hang-up. I respect if you don't agree with me, but I don't respect that you wouldn't share it before considering dating me. I have the right to know. You have the right not to disclose, but it's on you to figure out if I'm into it before going any further.

That btw also means that hypothetically I could romantically and sexually accept a female-to-male trans. bc I'd still consider "him" a woman. However I wouldn't be attracted to a person who looks male, so as far as certain criterias go it still wouldn't match my preferences. Only hypothetically.

Or in other words....If I were in a barfight I'd have no problem beating up a male2female but I would have reservations about hitting a female2male.

that's fine but it does mean you are transphobic. that you are discriminating a person based on no other reason than they are trans.

same as someone saying they wouldn't date a black person.

or someone saying they wouldn't date a jewish person.

That’s not entirely discrimination. That’s preference. I know black women that only white guys. No racism. I know a Asian guy who’s not into dating Asian women. But he loves his culture and heritage

?question: Would you date a 115 year old man/women

that is discrimination if that is the only aspect which stops them from dating that person. if a black woman fell in love with a black man or your asian friend fell in love with an asian woman but both said, i'm sorry we can't continue because although you give me butterflies you are part of a group i don't usually go for so no thanks. then that is discrimination based on them being black/asian.if i liked/loved them, hell yes i would date a 115 year old person. i'm not turning away the possibility of a genuine love because of something like that.

This what I gotta say has nothing to do with the transgender thing as I couldn't care less about these type subjects. Rest easy I'm not here to give you a hard time.

From my understanding and perspective, you are a Libra am I right? Now I need to ask a very important question. Why y'all Libra ladies so easy? I recently stumbled upon a Libra lady we talked for a bit and I straight up tell her I'm not into Libra ladies after testing the waters with her by asking if she would be interesting in me. And she cute too. Very cute. Just not into Libra ladies love wise. And yeah we sneak in a lil astrology in the conversation.

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No you're not transphobic. If we're talking post op the fake pussy doesn't even get wet let alone spit out babies. If it's preop then it's just gay.

so if a woman had a dry fanny and was infertile she is not a woman?

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Posted by Hemispheres

No you're not transphobic. If we're talking post op the fake pussy doesn't even get wet let alone spit out babies. If it's preop then it's just gay.

so if a woman had a dry fanny and was infertile she is not a woman?

She's still got a uterus and ovaries doesnt she? Trans women don't have either.

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Posted by Hemispheres

No you're not transphobic. If we're talking post op the fake pussy doesn't even get wet let alone spit out babies. If it's preop then it's just gay.

so if a woman had a dry fanny and was infertile she is not a woman?

She has 2 XX chromosomes so logistically speaking yes.

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Posted by Hemispheres

No you're not transphobic. If we're talking post op the fake pussy doesn't even get wet let alone spit out babies. If it's preop then it's just gay.

so if a woman had a dry fanny and was infertile she is not a woman?

She's still got a uterus and ovaries doesnt she? Trans women don't have either.

if she has had a hysterectomy?

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Posted by Hemispheres

No you're not transphobic. If we're talking post op the fake pussy doesn't even get wet let alone spit out babies. If it's preop then it's just gay.

so if a woman had a dry fanny and was infertile she is not a woman?

She's still got a uterus and ovaries doesnt she? Trans women don't have either.

if she has had a hysterectomy?

She was born with one wasn't she?

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Posted by Hemispheres

No you're not transphobic. If we're talking post op the fake pussy doesn't even get wet let alone spit out babies. If it's preop then it's just gay.

so if a woman had a dry fanny and was infertile she is not a woman?

She's still got a uterus and ovaries doesnt she? Trans women don't have either.

if she has had a hysterectomy?

She was born with one wasn't she?

and if she wasn't, then she is not a woman? are women only body parts to you? there is nothing else to a woman besides their organs?

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Posted by Hemispheres

No you're not transphobic. If we're talking post op the fake pussy doesn't even get wet let alone spit out babies. If it's preop then it's just gay.

so if a woman had a dry fanny and was infertile she is not a woman?

She's still got a uterus and ovaries doesnt she? Trans women don't have either.

if she has had a hysterectomy?

She was born with one wasn't she?

and if she wasn't, then she is not a woman? are women only body parts to you? there is nothing else to a woman besides their organs?

Chromosomes.

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No you're not transphobic. If we're talking post op the fake pussy doesn't even get wet let alone spit out babies. If it's preop then it's just gay.

so if a woman had a dry fanny and was infertile she is not a woman?

She's still got a uterus and ovaries doesnt she? Trans women don't have either.

if she has had a hysterectomy?

She was born with one wasn't she?

and if she wasn't, then she is not a woman? are women only body parts to you? there is nothing else to a woman besides their organs?

Chromosomes.

so if a transwoman says she is a woman then you feel you have the authority to say that she is wrong and that is not the case. you deny her lived experience.

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No you're not transphobic. If we're talking post op the fake pussy doesn't even get wet let alone spit out babies. If it's preop then it's just gay.

so if a woman had a dry fanny and was infertile she is not a woman?

She's still got a uterus and ovaries doesnt she? Trans women don't have either.

if she has had a hysterectomy?

She was born with one wasn't she?

and if she wasn't, then she is not a woman? are women only body parts to you? there is nothing else to a woman besides their organs?

Chromosomes.

so if a transwoman says she is a woman then you feel you have the authority to say that she is wrong and that is not the case. you deny her lived experience.

They maybe mentally a women but still doesn't overlook the fact that they have has ample amounts of testosterone flowing through their blood.

We ain't there yet where you can just go into a machine and revert all of the biological processes that makes one body a male into a female.

Being so cookie cutter about it doesn't change that simple fact. Coddling people and overlooking these simple truths does more harm than good. Do you understand why the rate of suicide is so high among them?

The road to hell is pushed with good intentions.

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No you're not transphobic. If we're talking post op the fake pussy doesn't even get wet let alone spit out babies. If it's preop then it's just gay.

so if a woman had a dry fanny and was infertile she is not a woman?

She's still got a uterus and ovaries doesnt she? Trans women don't have either.

if she has had a hysterectomy?

She was born with one wasn't she?

and if she wasn't, then she is not a woman? are women only body parts to you? there is nothing else to a woman besides their organs?

Chromosomes.

so if a transwoman says she is a woman then you feel you have the authority to say that she is wrong and that is not the case. you deny her lived experience.

No one can deny anyone else's delusions.

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No you're not transphobic. If we're talking post op the fake pussy doesn't even get wet let alone spit out babies. If it's preop then it's just gay.

so if a woman had a dry fanny and was infertile she is not a woman?

She's still got a uterus and ovaries doesnt she? Trans women don't have either.

if she has had a hysterectomy?

She was born with one wasn't she?

and if she wasn't, then she is not a woman? are women only body parts to you? there is nothing else to a woman besides their organs?

Chromosomes.

so if a transwoman says she is a woman then you feel you have the authority to say that she is wrong and that is not the case. you deny her lived experience.

No one can deny anyone else's delusions.

you can say that about anything can't you? you deem it a delusion. how do you know what someone feels or experiences in their life? how can you say that your judgement about them is better then their judgement about them?

sorry lady, you weren't sexually harassed at work, that's just your delusion

you being denied housing because of your skin colour, that's just your delusion

people don't watch you closely in the shop because you are a black man, that's just your delusion

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Posted by Hemispheres

No you're not transphobic. If we're talking post op the fake pussy doesn't even get wet let alone spit out babies. If it's preop then it's just gay.

so if a woman had a dry fanny and was infertile she is not a woman?

She's still got a uterus and ovaries doesnt she? Trans women don't have either.

if she has had a hysterectomy?

She was born with one wasn't she?

and if she wasn't, then she is not a woman? are women only body parts to you? there is nothing else to a woman besides their organs?

Chromosomes.

so if a transwoman says she is a woman then you feel you have the authority to say that she is wrong and that is not the case. you deny her lived experience.

No one can deny anyone else's delusions.

you can say that about anything can't you? you deem it a delusion. how do you know what someone feels or experiences in their life? how can you say that your judgement about them is better then their judgement about them?

sorry lady, you weren't sexually harassed at work, that's just your delusion

you being denied housing because of your skin colour, that's just your delusion

people don't watch you closely in the shop because you are a black man, that's just your delusion

I'll tell you what.

I identify as a cat. I demand somone take me into their home and feed and shelter me out of pocket. However I refuse to poop out in the open so they'll have to pay for my toilet paper too. If they don't they're denying my lived experience.

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Posted by Hemispheres

No you're not transphobic. If we're talking post op the fake pussy doesn't even get wet let alone spit out babies. If it's preop then it's just gay.

so if a woman had a dry fanny and was infertile she is not a woman?

She's still got a uterus and ovaries doesnt she? Trans women don't have either.

if she has had a hysterectomy?

She was born with one wasn't she?

and if she wasn't, then she is not a woman? are women only body parts to you? there is nothing else to a woman besides their organs?

Chromosomes.

so if a transwoman says she is a woman then you feel you have the authority to say that she is wrong and that is not the case. you deny her lived experience.

No one can deny anyone else's delusions.

you can say that about anything can't you? you deem it a delusion. how do you know what someone feels or experiences in their life? how can you say that your judgement about them is better then their judgement about them?

sorry lady, you weren't sexually harassed at work, that's just your delusion

you being denied housing because of your skin colour, that's just your delusion

people don't watch you closely in the shop because you are a black man, that's just your delusion

I'll tell you what.

I identify as a cat. I demand somone take me into their home and feed and shelter me out of pocket. However I refuse to poop out in the open so they'll have to pay for my toilet paper too. If they don't they're denying my lived experience.

how does someone identifying as trangender directly affect you?

your example means that someone has to look after you including costs. how is that comparable to someone wanting to live their life in a way that feels comfortable to them?

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Posted by Hemispheres

No you're not transphobic. If we're talking post op the fake pussy doesn't even get wet let alone spit out babies. If it's preop then it's just gay.

so if a woman had a dry fanny and was infertile she is not a woman?

She's still got a uterus and ovaries doesnt she? Trans women don't have either.

if she has had a hysterectomy?

She was born with one wasn't she?

and if she wasn't, then she is not a woman? are women only body parts to you? there is nothing else to a woman besides their organs?

Chromosomes.

so if a transwoman says she is a woman then you feel you have the authority to say that she is wrong and that is not the case. you deny her lived experience.

No one can deny anyone else's delusions.

you can say that about anything can't you? you deem it a delusion. how do you know what someone feels or experiences in their life? how can you say that your judgement about them is better then their judgement about them?

sorry lady, you weren't sexually harassed at work, that's just your delusion

you being denied housing because of your skin colour, that's just your delusion

people don't watch you closely in the shop because you are a black man, that's just your delusion

I'll tell you what.

I identify as a cat. I demand somone take me into their home and feed and shelter me out of pocket. However I refuse to poop out in the open so they'll have to pay for my toilet paper too. If they don't they're denying my lived experience.

how does someone identifying as trangender directly affect you?

your example means that someone has to look after you including costs. how is that comparable to someone wanting to live their life in a way that feels comfortable to them?

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Posted by Hemispheres

No you're not transphobic. If we're talking post op the fake pussy doesn't even get wet let alone spit out babies. If it's preop then it's just gay.

so if a woman had a dry fanny and was infertile she is not a woman?

She's still got a uterus and ovaries doesnt she? Trans women don't have either.

if she has had a hysterectomy?

She was born with one wasn't she?

and if she wasn't, then she is not a woman? are women only body parts to you? there is nothing else to a woman besides their organs?

Chromosomes.

so if a transwoman says she is a woman then you feel you have the authority to say that she is wrong and that is not the case. you deny her lived experience.

No one can deny anyone else's delusions.

you can say that about anything can't you? you deem it a delusion. how do you know what someone feels or experiences in their life? how can you say that your judgement about them is better then their judgement about them?

sorry lady, you weren't sexually harassed at work, that's just your delusion

you being denied housing because of your skin colour, that's just your delusion

people don't watch you closely in the shop because you are a black man, that's just your delusion

I'll tell you what.

I identify as a cat. I demand somone take me into their home and feed and shelter me out of pocket. However I refuse to poop out in the open so they'll have to pay for my toilet paper too. If they don't they're denying my lived experience.

how does someone identifying as trangender directly affect you?

your example means that someone has to look after you including costs. how is that comparable to someone wanting to live their life in a way that feels comfortable to them?

Bcuz I am cat.

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Posted by jeane

Posted by Hemispheres

No you're not transphobic. If we're talking post op the fake pussy doesn't even get wet let alone spit out babies. If it's preop then it's just gay.

so if a woman had a dry fanny and was infertile she is not a woman?

She's still got a uterus and ovaries doesnt she? Trans women don't have either.

if she has had a hysterectomy?

She was born with one wasn't she?

and if she wasn't, then she is not a woman? are women only body parts to you? there is nothing else to a woman besides their organs?

Chromosomes.

so if a transwoman says she is a woman then you feel you have the authority to say that she is wrong and that is not the case. you deny her lived experience.

No one can deny anyone else's delusions.

you can say that about anything can't you? you deem it a delusion. how do you know what someone feels or experiences in their life? how can you say that your judgement about them is better then their judgement about them?

sorry lady, you weren't sexually harassed at work, that's just your delusion

you being denied housing because of your skin colour, that's just your delusion

people don't watch you closely in the shop because you are a black man, that's just your delusion

I'll tell you what.

I identify as a cat. I demand somone take me into their home and feed and shelter me out of pocket. However I refuse to poop out in the open so they'll have to pay for my toilet paper too. If they don't they're denying my lived experience.

how does someone identifying as trangender directly affect you?

your example means that someone has to look after you including costs. how is that comparable to someone wanting to live their life in a way that feels comfortable to them?

And lets not ignore the fact that theres people that think the government should pay for the sex reassignment surgeries.

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Usually people who are secure in their sexuality....

You can fill in the blanks.

Well I secure enough to ask. While others feel uncomfortable to even approach.

What about straight men who like wearing women’s clothes in private and in front of their girl?

Cross dressers?

What about straight women who are tomboy and like wearing men clothes? 😉

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Usually people who are secure in their sexuality....

You can fill in the blanks.

Well I secure enough to ask. While others feel uncomfortable to even approach.

What about straight men who like wearing women’s clothes in private and in front of their girl?

Cross dressers?

What about straight women who are tomboy and like wearing men clothes? 😉

Op would be fine with dating a straight woman lol

Yeah after reading until page 4, I've figured 🤣🤣

Would you be fine dating a cross dresser as long as it is a straight male? Just curious 🤪

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Usually people who are secure in their sexuality....

You can fill in the blanks.

Well I secure enough to ask. While others feel uncomfortable to even approach.

What about straight men who like wearing women’s clothes in private and in front of their girl?

Cross dressers?

What about straight women who are tomboy and like wearing men clothes? 😉

Op would be fine with dating a straight woman lol

Yeah after reading until page 4, I've figured 🤣🤣

Would you be fine dating a cross dresser as long as it is a straight male? Just curious 🤪

I mentioned "in private" I wouldn't care much about role playing and how he dressed in private. Clothes don't bother me.

Interesting. I never had a guy dressing up as a woman in a role play.. but i think i would be bothered 😅

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Am I really transphobic if I prefer not to date a trans women. Because I’m not into men? And why do you feel the urge to modify your body? You feel Your born in the wrong body “Ok. But surgery or no surgery it’s still the wrong body right? And what’s up with forcing other to use a pro noun they are not comfortable using? No offense.

i think what you are describing is that you are super straight

Yea, heard that being used, but I’m just straight. I don’t care for word games. Like cis, super straight. I’m just plan ol normal and not into being with another man. Which is preference. Guys who are gay are cool as hell and down to earth. Just not my thing.

Trans seem to think other wise tho?

well the consensus (on the us side at least) is that transwomen are women and therefore being straight and attracted to women, you would be attracted to transwomen as well.

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I'm sorry to burst your bubble but every cis female you have dated has modified their body in some shape or form.

Shaved it. Makeup. Bras (padded and pushup) Colored their hair, cut it. Whitened their teeth, straightened their teeth. Waxed pussy, plucked eyebrows. All of these are mild yes, but modifications none the less. Many women also undergo plastic surgery, get botex or filler/lip injections.

You don't really have an issue with someone modifying their body. You have an issue with transpeople modifying their body.

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Am I really transphobic if I prefer not to date a trans women. Because I’m not into men? And why do you feel the urge to modify your body? You feel Your born in the wrong body “Ok. But surgery or no surgery it’s still the wrong body right? And what’s up with forcing other to use a pro noun they are not comfortable using? No offense.

i think what you are describing is that you are super straight

Yea, heard that being used, but I’m just straight. I don’t care for word games. Like cis, super straight. I’m just plan ol normal and not into being with another man. Which is preference. Guys who are gay are cool as hell and down to earth. Just not my thing.

Trans seem to think other wise tho?

It seems more like you think otherwise, no?

How do I think other wise I’m not labeling him/her as any phobic. We don’t call lesbians Manphobics. We just call them lesbians who have sexual preference.

yes but lesbians are encouraged (? not sure that is the right term) to consider transwomen as potential sexual partners because transwomen are women. so as a straight man what's the big deal?

And a straight man is encouraged to not want a biological male who dresses like a female. It’s The same thing.

Example the number one reason trans women are assaulted or murdered is because they do not disclose they are men to straight men.

For a man to feel that upset that he would attack some one he must strongly encouraged that he doesn’t agree or likes it.

No offense I do not advocate violence against anybody straight, gay or trans.

source?

Me. I’m a MAN. First hand source. You couldn’t get more source then this.

your source that the number one reason transwomen are killed is because they have somehow tricked men into believing they are women. a significant amount of transwomen are killed by their partners so i would like your source on this new understanding.

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What's the issue though?

Nothing baby, just go back to sleep honey.

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Usually people who are secure in their sexuality....

You can fill in the blanks.

Well I secure enough to ask. While others feel uncomfortable to even approach.

What about straight men who like wearing women’s clothes in private and in front of their girl?

Cross dressers?

What about straight women who are tomboy and like wearing men clothes? 😉

Op would be fine with dating a straight woman lol

Yeah after reading until page 4, I've figured 🤣🤣

Would you be fine dating a cross dresser as long as it is a straight male? Just curious 🤪

I mentioned "in private" I wouldn't care much about role playing and how he dressed in private. Clothes don't bother me.

Interesting. I never had a guy dressing up as a woman in a role play.. but i think i would be bothered 😅

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No you're not transphobic. If we're talking post op the fake pussy doesn't even get wet let alone spit out babies. If it's preop then it's just gay.

so if a woman had a dry fanny and was infertile she is not a woman?

She's still got a uterus and ovaries doesnt she? Trans women don't have either.

if she has had a hysterectomy?

She was born with one wasn't she?

and if she wasn't, then she is not a woman? are women only body parts to you? there is nothing else to a woman besides their organs?

Chromosomes.

so if a transwoman says she is a woman then you feel you have the authority to say that she is wrong and that is not the case. you deny her lived experience.

They maybe mentally a women but still doesn't overlook the fact that they have has ample amounts of testosterone flowing through their blood.

We ain't there yet where you can just go into a machine and revert all of the biological processes that makes one body a male into a female.

Being so cookie cutter about it doesn't change that simple fact. Coddling people and overlooking these simple truths does more harm than good. Do you understand why the rate of suicide is so high among them?

The road to hell is pushed with good intentions.

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What's the issue though?

Nothing baby, just go back to sleep honey.

dead.... not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone but that just made me laugh... lmao

I still don't. He claims he's not transphobic but had a list of questions. What's the actual issue? Nobody's pushing a preference.

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No you're not transphobic. If we're talking post op the fake pussy doesn't even get wet let alone spit out babies. If it's preop then it's just gay.

so if a woman had a dry fanny and was infertile she is not a woman?

She's still got a uterus and ovaries doesnt she? Trans women don't have either.

if she has had a hysterectomy?

She was born with one wasn't she?

and if she wasn't, then she is not a woman? are women only body parts to you? there is nothing else to a woman besides their organs?

Chromosomes.

so if a transwoman says she is a woman then you feel you have the authority to say that she is wrong and that is not the case. you deny her lived experience.

They maybe mentally a women but still doesn't overlook the fact that they have has ample amounts of testosterone flowing through their blood.

We ain't there yet where you can just go into a machine and revert all of the biological processes that makes one body a male into a female.

Being so cookie cutter about it doesn't change that simple fact. Coddling people and overlooking these simple truths does more harm than good. Do you understand why the rate of suicide is so high among them?

The road to hell is pushed with good intentions.

Agreed. Coddling people to live outside of reality is just dangerous to their own mental health. How can people grow and be prepared for the world if they cannot even accept factual statements? You cannot create an internal world then expect others to redefine facts so that you would feel more accepting of yourself. If people truly want acceptance in society then transgender folks would need to accept that they're transgender rather than biologically male or female then fight the whole world to crawl into their internal mental preference.

I think most people would be more accepting of the truth.... rather than semi-truths people build in their own heads so that they are easily comforted. The growth piece is to accept where you came from and who you want to be in all it's truths hence identifying oneself as a transwoman or transman rather than woman and man. that is a more beautiful and honorable story than defying logic/truth/history.

They're men that want to date straight men? Like why go through all that trouble?

Instead of helping them have a better sense of self we have to do all of this mental gymnastics because some shitfaces with useless degrees wants to gaslight us all?

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Posted by bmoon8

Usually people who are secure in their sexuality....

You can fill in the blanks.

Well I secure enough to ask. While others feel uncomfortable to even approach.

What about straight men who like wearing women’s clothes in private and in front of their girl?

Cross dressers?

What about straight women who are tomboy and like wearing men clothes? 😉

Op would be fine with dating a straight woman lol

Yeah after reading until page 4, I've figured 🤣🤣

Would you be fine dating a cross dresser as long as it is a straight male? Just curious 🤪

I mentioned "in private" I wouldn't care much about role playing and how he dressed in private. Clothes don't bother me.

Interesting. I never had a guy dressing up as a woman in a role play.. but i think i would be bothered 😅

Dude I'd so be bothered... Cancer did something really annoying as a joke and it traumatized me. I'm traditional and do not like to cross the female/male sexuality lines. I'm trying to think what boundaries I'd like to have regarding societal expectations of female/male... clothes is def one of them. I would not date a cross-dresser.... how about a guy who likes to stay at home to cook/clean? Dont mind it if i have a good career but overall meh not quite a turn on. I want to date a shark. Not to say that's a female trait but just trying to think of societal claims of female/male... What else....

Ikr!! It never happened to me but I just know it's gonna turn me off big time!

🤣🤣🤣🤣 what did he do?

I dont mind guys who cook and clean, in fact i find it sexy. I'd pick them over a workaholic everytime!! 🤣

Hmmm for now all i can think of..

.cross dressing

.make up

.nail polish

.talks like a woman

.pacifist

That's all i can think of right now.

I like them manly, rough but loving, sensitive and fam oriented on the inside lmao 😄



Edit: btw are you Aneema? Ive been looking for her here lol

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There are plenty of men who are into trans women, so I'm sure they won't mind if you arent into them.