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No dy...I have written him off as just a friend with his own personal issues that he needs to deal with..

From the time I wrote that last post I have gotten past that "phase" and have moved on. I'm there for him as a friend if he wants to talk. If I see him out I am nice and say hello. I include him in my email/ mass joke text list. but thats it. I won't deny that I still have a little crush on him but thats it.

I just wonder if I get on his nerves when he gets a text from me from time to time or if it makes him happy.
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It's hard to get a dialogue going when I see him so infrequently. I intend to say something next time i see him, or at least head in that direction.
That 'spark' between us will always be there I think, but I am carrying on with my life regardless. Not waiting for him - I have had flings with others, but in the back of my mind he is always there and I guess I do need closure to allow others in. I just have never met anyone who made me feel the way he does and that is very hard to shake. It's either love or infatuation. whatever it is, I ike the way it makes me feel.
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I'll come to YOU when I'm ready. My greatest weakness is that I tend to supress/conceal my feelings, so people expect a cool, detatched person, becuase I emotionally disciplined normally I just seethe with emotion, and when i've reached 'critical mass' I back away from people, or I explode. I don't like it when things get the better of me, so when I do explode it's for a purpose of great size to me.
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My greatest fear, is revealing HOW deeply I feel in general, and being attatched to something. I may not always show it, but I feel deeply, and intensely about everything. There are times where there's a 'struggle/conflict' to express what I feel, and conceal it. I figure when I 'know' that the person I'm with I'll open up, and when I do, I hope they can stand the intensity. I've been told that I 'feel too much' or 'you're too emotional' that caused some damage, so I've brought self-concealment to an art and I've learned to 'fool' people at my loss....I'm all or nothing, 0 or 100% ....if you like it, well, here I am.
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Imagine this:

You just slip into a hot tub, with luxuriously smelling oils and bubbles, soft music playing, lights dim .. and you feel so good all alone, you want to be by yourself and enjoy every second ..

.. but, the phone won't stop ringing and it's a man to whom you broke up with and are no longer thinking about how he feels.

You grumble, deciding to ignore the phone if it rings again .. on your way back to your welcomingly comfortable bath that represents your peace of mind, you decide to check your email quickly, to see ..

.. this same man has sent messages asking whether you miss him, how do you feel about him, why haven't you called him ..

Back into the bathroom .. you stare into the water, the bubbles starting to dissolve .. just as your peace of mind is .. you wanted to be alone, you wanted your own time, your own space .. it's your life, afterall .. but no ..

.. now you're completely annoyed

.. thanks asshole, you grumble .. for ruining my retreat that belongs to only me, if I choose.

.. on your way downstairs to get a drink, that you need oh so bad at this point, you yell at your cell phone, as if this person who won't leave you alone to live your life can hear you, "Leave me the hell alone, I broke up with you because I DIDN'T want to talk to you."


For the life of me .. I cannot comprehend how someone CANNOT comprehend that when a person withdraws to be alone .. it means ..

.. THEY WANT TO BE ALONE
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P-Angel... I have realized it and I have moved on. Virguy and I are friends still however and he seems to be confused now as to why I don't like him anymore. And it's not that I don't like him anymore I just don't have the patience and energy to ride his little emotional roller coaster. I know deep down he cares for me a great deal. I have heard from others and can just feel it when I am around him. But just like VIRGOEXAHLTED does he hides his feelings too and has told me that he always holds his feelings back for me because he doesn't think he can take this relationship were it should go. And these messages I send him are not psycho stalker messages. There just funny joke texts that only intend to put a smile on his face and don't requre any response. Other times I just send him a text saying "Hi Crazy.just checking up on you." And he does the same from time to time. So although your being alone bubble bath example is valid it really doesn't apply to this situation.
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So basically you have allowed ppl to define who you are..Tsk,tsk,tsk...

Wow I guess? lol really? I don't like openly expressing my deeper emotions, becuase that means ANYONE can use them against you. BASICALLY I'm looking for a person I trust so I can open up toward; I don't recall anyone 'deffing' me as a person; that's just my PERSONAL style of expression. For me the courtship is like a swordfight; you strafe around your foe (objectively), and move in and out untill you've appropriated the proper distance, and can execute the attack(subjectively). I want to express myself without censorship. A person who feels that strongly in emotional danger if they bleed all over another person. I seen it, and had it done to me. A person who is manipulated/used emotionally learns to protect themselves and stings another person to figure out if they are 'true blue' or fake. It's my way of figuring you out.
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Be sick, then.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

Alls anyone has to do is go back through your many, many, many posts about how you have played with this man's feelings .. you say you've moved on .. yet, still continue to send him messages and make phone calls wondering what he's feeling for you. You've been pulling on his feelings from the get-go .. then pushing him away, only to then contact him again to pull on his feelings again, just so you can screw with him again by pushing him away.

People who are over a person don't constantly wonder about the other's feelings towards them, lol

You can ignore me all you want to .. it doesn't change that what I say is the truth. If anyone chooses to do research on this matter, they will find that you have been screwing with his feelings from the beginning and then have the audacity to suggest that he is emotionally unstable.

lol, HappyCrab, I have been following this from the beginning .. I know exactly what's going on .. pity your high intuition doesn't work on yourself.
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HappyCrab 4/4/2007 10:16:14 AM | ip: xxx.xxx.xxx.198

I have been "getting to know" my Virguy for the past 6 months and he is the typical virgo to say the least. He is a virgo/libra cusp if that may help any. I know he really likes me and I feel like he is torn between me and his "freedom". Not that I would ever take it away from him but he feels like commiting to someone would take away all his freedom. Up until this point we have agreed to be friends without any labels or titles. He totally treats me like i'm more than a friend but I think he is confused and is trying to confuse me in the process. Sometimes he acts like a jerk just to push me away and other days hes a perfect angel. I'm usually the first to say that if a guy is into you he will stop at nothing to get you but this is a virgo that i'm dealing with and we all know thats not the case.

I am a cancer with a virgo ascendant so I know pretty much what im dealing with. I have been very patient with him and have givin him lots of space. What I need advice on is when he acts like a jerk do I ignore him completely for a while (text and not respond to his texts)or do I not initiate contact but be there when he contacts and pretend as though nothing happend. Or anyone have a better idea? Please help
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Here's where it starts .. you two are just friends. You believe that he likes you more because you want him to like you more .. but, nothing in here suggests from him that this is so .. he has agreed to be friends with you with no labels or titles. It's you who confused about your relationship with him and don't know which way to turn.
He's only agreed to be friends, HappyCrab .. but, you apparently cannot comprehend this.
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P I will not lie I do have feelings for him but have accepted that we are just friends. Don't forget he also sends me these little messages and phone calls. I don't push him away I give him his space. And who said anything about boyfriend. Puuuuhhhhllleeeeeess!Should I not be his friend at all just because the relationship did not go where I wanted?? If you seem to know it all then tell me what should I do? Should I ignore him completely never speaking to him when I see him 2 or 3 times a week quit responding to his calls?
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HappyCrab 4/4/2007 10:47:06 AM | ip: xxx.xxx.xxx.198

The actual thorn is how all week hes a sweetie. Calling, texting etc etc. The past 3 weekends in a row hes been MIA on the weekends. Thats not fair. Why can't I be included in all the fun when everyone is hanging out. We all have the same circle of friends. Before it was "were all gonna be at ______ hope you to see you there". Now it's "sorry going out with the guys tonight we'll do something tomorrow night" Although my friends are there too I don't want to show up and look like i'm stalking him. It's fine to keep it seperate but I haven't seen him in over 2 weeks. I don't feel like I need to beg for someone to spend time with me. Some days I say screw it I'm gonna do my own thing and meet others while he decides what he wants to do and other times I say he is Virgo and they do need lots of patience and I should just wait it out. What do I do?
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You are all bent out of shape, a thorn in your side because he isn't including you and you feel left out .. yet, you are just friends, HappyCrab .. wtf?

?I don't feel like I need to beg for someone to spend time with me.? .. again, he's only agreed to be friends with you.
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HappyCrab 4/6/2007 10:41:39 PM | ip: xxx.xxx.xxx.148

So I been dealing with a few virgos UGH. I'm gonna try to make this as short as possible. I met virgo 1 almost 2 years ago. At that time I was clueless about this species of men. But I did learn alot. It didnt really work out but we stayed really good friends. Recently I met Virgo 2. ACTS EXCATLY how virgo 1 acted in the beginning. Same games same bull shit. Lately virgo 2 has been mia. Virgo 1 has been calling me to hang out more often but ive been too busy for him. The few times we did hang out he tried putting the moves on me and I said NO. "WE ARE JUST FREINDS AND THATS IT". Today I was bored and went to visit virgo 1. Same thing again. Tried to put the moves on me and I pushed him away. I gave him the same explanation. This time he responded with "Why cant we be in a relationship?" AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Where the heck did that come from. I know it sounds like hes trying to get in my pants but hes never ever said that. I played it off like i didnt believe him but he wasnt laughing at all. I don't know how i even feel about being in a relationship with this one. I got over that a long time ago. I think i'm not gonna give any definate answers right now and just keep him on relationship probation. and do the same with virgo 2 . I just dont have the heart to be anyones girlfriend at this point. If anything is gonna happen it has to happen slow. Anyone got any insight? OR need any?
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Here's two days later .. you go to see Virgo #1, eventhough you know he's trying to hook up with you again (or so you think), just so you can turn around and yell at him because you just want to be friends, lol. And you honestly think I'm gonna sit back and think this is innocent on your part, when you actually said you did it because you were bored? Fool!

?The few times we did hang out he tried putting the moves on me and I said NO. "WE ARE JUST FREINDS AND THATS IT".?

? Today I was bored and went to visit virgo 1. Same thing again. Tried to put the moves on me and I pushed him away. I gave him the same explanation.?

You knew goddam well what you were doing .. you were bored so decided to go fuck with his head, because you knew he'd been trying to put the moves on you (or so, you believe)

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? I think i'm not gonna give any definate answers right now and just keep him on relationship probation. and do the same with virgo 2 . I just dont have the heart to be anyones girlfriend at this point."


You're gonna keep this first and second Virgo relationships on probation? I thought you went over there, knowing he would put the moves on you, so you could make it clear that there isn't a relationship and NOW he's on probation? lol

The second V is just a friend, but, he's on probation too about this imaginary b/g relation you have in your head?

So, what exactly do you think you are controlling here?

You said you don't have the heart to be anyone's girlfriend right now?

Then what's all this fuss about?

Drama?
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HappyCrab 4/8/2007 9:37:15 PM | ip: xxx.xxx.xxx.60

Ok so I don't get it!!! Why is he still ignoring me. I'm starting to wonder if he met someone new. But he's not the type to jump into anything so serious that he can't even respond to a text message. And even so he has a ton of freinds male and female that he still keeps in touch with regularly. I feel like hes pushing me away specifically. If we were suposedly just "friends" why is he pushing off like this. It's kinda scary because this is the first time hes pulled away like this for so long during our whole 6 months of talking. At most it would only last a couple days and he would come around eventually.

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I thought you had control of this, afterall, you put him on probation just 2 days ago, and you don't have the heart to be anyones girlfriend anyway .. so wtf is this about?

?I feel like hes pushing me away specifically. If we were suposedly just "friends" why is he pushing off like this?

He's just your frigging friend, HappyCrab .. god you're so confused.

YOu wonder why he's pushing you away when he doesn't his other friends and the answer is quite obvious .. you're emotionally needy as hell, so much so that you imagine people having feelings for you.
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HappyCrab 4/10/2007 6:06:01 PM | ip: xxx.xxx.xxx.96

I just want to know what goes on in you Virguys' minds while your in your "retreat". You know what I'm talking about.. The time when you guys dissapear with out a trace and kinda make us want to make sure you haven't been abducted by aliens. Do you miss us? Do you fight urges to call us? Do you go around hoping to "accidentally" run in to us? PLEASE TELL ME CUZ I WANNA KNOW.
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Couple days later .. you believe that he is battling within himself because he just can't resist you.
Still, he's only agreed to be your friend, HappyCrab .. somewhere in your head, you think that he's hoping to run into you because he misses you so much.

You dont' understand that friends aren't bound to you emotionally to the point that their every thought is wrapped around the vision of you.



HappyCrab 4/11/2007 3:01:52 PM | ip: xxx.xxx.xxx.163

PAngel He coulda said NO. He has no problem speaking his mind. We have known each other for 10 years not someone that i went out on a couple dates with. We are great friends.

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Wait .. you are talking about the same Virgo, which is #2 .. now, you're saying you've known him for 10 years and are great friends .. yet, on April 6th, you said, ?I met virgo 1 almost 2 years ago. At that time I was clueless about this species of men. But I did learn alot. It didnt really work out but we stayed really good friends. Recently I met Virgo 2.?


HappyCrab .. that was April and only a fraction of the posts. There's one post where you were saying something about putting his brother up to trying to talk sense into his head .. because he has to admit that he loves you.

Are you insane?

I mean .. seriously?

I know I'm eccectric .. but, still sane. Are you insane?
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Since then I have also found out that when we started dating he had just broken up with his girlfriend of 5 years. He was very hurt about the whole thing. Being on the rebound really tends to mess new things up esp when its so soon. I heard from friends and he confirmed it on sunday. Also confirmend that I really helped him get through it by being there for him and keeping him smiling and laughing. He also admit that he does have lots of feelings for me but doesn't want to make the same mistakes he made in the past. And he is just being more cautiouse this time around. Who knows maybe hes just taking his time deciding if i'm the right one for him. Thats what all these other virgos have been saying they do on here. And like i said a million times already, in the mean time I am not sitting around twiddling my thumbs waiting for my phone to ring. I am keeping my options open.
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HappyCrab 7/16/2007 4:41:20 PM | ip: xxx.xxx.xxx.198

How do they feel about the attempts we make at contacting them. Do they get annoyed or do they watch there phone ring or read the text or email that they choose not to respond to and think "oh how nice its so and so"?

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Here's the first of this thread, HappyCrab .. I'm not behind the times, I've read everything on this Virgo board that you've posted.

Still, months later, after you claim to have moved on .. you're wanting to know if he is still feeling for you.

You're still fucking contacting him .. and just now ..

"He also admit that he does have lots of feelings for me but doesn't want to make the same mistakes he made in the past. And he is just being more cautiouse this time around. Who knows maybe hes just taking his time deciding if i'm the right one for him. Thats what all these other virgos have been saying they do on here. And like i said a million times already, in the mean time I am not sitting around twiddling my thumbs waiting for my phone to ring. I am keeping my options open."

Even when you say to me, Dyr, SF and anyone else in here that you've moved on, period .. here you are now talking about how he is feeling for you and you are waiting it out, and just curious about your options.

You're mad .. completely.

Because this relationship that you moved on from yesterday, doesn't even exist .. there's no doubt in my mind about that.

It has been said, and I don't argue, that Pisces are delusional at times. Alright .. but, this is insane, HappyCrab .. literally.

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"P- your too caught up looking for a label. Maybe were friends who have stronger feelings for eachother than being just friends. Please disregaurd The Virgo I met 2 years ago. He has no relavance to this scenario."


Where's that high intuition you have, HappyCrab? lol

I'm not referring to V#1 as far as you being interested in him, I was talking about "Time" ..

2 years vs. 10 years .. you claimed both. You just started to know Virgo's with V #1, that you met 2 years ago. However, V#2 that you've been delusional about his feelings for you, you started talking to just 6 months prior and yet, he's been a great friend for 10 years.

It's likely you won't get what I just referred to .. "time", happyCrab, I'm talking about time.
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"He also admit that he does have lots of feelings for me but doesn't want to make the same mistakes he made in the past. And he is just being more cautiouse this time around. Who knows maybe hes just taking his time deciding if i'm the right one for him."


Wow, just fucking wow .. you are still believing that he's sitting back with feelings for you.

You're quite mad, HappyCrab
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HappyCrab 5/21/2007 1:56:14 PM | ip: xxx.xxx.xxx.198

I actually am very attracted to the man at the bar. I think virguy noticed that and thats what got him unstable. Yes I am going to be around forever as a friend to virguy and all my other friends as well. I have moved on and refuse to continue to allow this man to confuse myself any further.

Why else would you say something like, "I figured if he cared hed call more often.", as justification to his asking questions about who you are seeing.

I dont understand what you mean by this.

I think this is a typical guy that wants his cake and eat it too. I think his ego told him that she may be all into this guy but she's really still in love with you and your going to prove it by leaving with her tonight and getting some action. and when that didn't happen it was a slap in the face to our friend named EGO.

What reason does he have to be mad at me. NONE AT ALL.

On the way home I even commented that the girl he was hanging out with was cute and if it was someone he was seeing on a serious level. I was very neutral as a friend should be. I know for a fact he is having a hard time that I'm not having an emotional break down over him. And once again his ego is telling him that he's losing his touch. I do love him and care about him and if he doesn't want to be mine and only mine then I refuse to be with him. I even explained this to him when he asked why was I being so distant. I told him that its different now since before I thought you were mine and only mine.

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"I actually am very attracted to the man at the bar. I think virguy noticed that and thats what got him unstable."

"I think his ego told him that she may be all into this guy but she's really still in love with you .."

"I was very neutral as a friend should be. I know for a fact he is having a hard time that I'm not having an emotional break down over him."

"I do love him and care about him and if he doesn't want to be mine and only mine then I refuse to be with him."

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Please seek counseling ....... a Virgo wouldn't behave this way, even the immature ones. It's doubtful that he even exists, or #1.
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Thanks Jada... Just wondering how do virgo's feel about the attempts we make at contacting them when they pull there little disappearing act. Does it bother them or does it flatter them. To me when someonme retreats its because there sad or depressed so when this happens I send nice little "thinking of you" or "checking up on you" texts. Do you think those are appreciated? or should I not bother?
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Hey HappyCrab, just thought I'd throw my humble two cents in, having dated a Virgo for over a year and knowing a little something about what they're like. I would like to preface my comments, however, by stating that it really depends on the PERSON, not the astrological sign. I do believe that astrology is somewhat predictive of some patterns of behavior, but there is definitely a limit.
With that said, MY Virgo appreciated those little messages when he went into his "hibernation," as he tended to be a bit insecure. So he liked knowing I was thinking of him. Besides, what person does not like to hear that they are being thought of, every once in a while, as long as the feelings are mutual? There is a fine line, however, of sending little "thinking of you" messages, and sending so many that you are intruding on "personal space." That intrusion is highly resented. So as long as you keep the amount of messsages that you send in check, and the feelings are mutual, I don't see why it would be a problem. Hope this helps a bit. 🙂
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HappyCrab 6/25/2007 3:33:35 PM | ip: xxx.xxx.xxx.131

.. So after all this time that has gone by I see my virguy "friend".

.. He also said that he's not looking to get seriouse with anyone right now. Which is fine but why can't he accept me as a freind.

.. Yes I did want more at one time but now I realize that hes a great guy but just not for me.

.. How do I get that back. Do I wait till he comes around or do I make an effort to let him know how I feel?
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