Fire signs favorite euphemism "strong personality"

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Posted by saggurl88 I don’t think I’m difficult at all. If anything, I’m too passive. Must be all my water.

I just want to be accepted for who I am and don’t want to have to change to fit a mold.

Nah this is the overall sag

Average water is like 'you cant handle my intense emotions' blah blah

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Posted by Parkourler

Hi,

So I noticed that Fire signs say stuff like, I need a strong partner who calls me on my bs,

or "can't handle me", I am independent etc.

So do you say that because your forceful expressive ways can easily deter meek people to stand up for themselves?

Are people less likely to hold you accountable?

Or are there other reasons?

Posted by Antiphates

Depends on the person and the context. The phrases you listed often seem to be used as a form of coping and not as a statement of real truth.

Posted by PoshChickenLove1111

Posted by Parkourler

Hi,

So I noticed that Fire signs say stuff like, I need a strong partner who calls me on my bs,

or "can't handle me", I am independent etc.

So do you say that because your forceful expressive ways can easily deter meek people to stand up for themselves?

Are people less likely to hold you accountable?

Or are there other reasons?

Not all fire signs say stuff like that, and your question seems like you're trying to "call fire signs out" as opposed to being a genuine inquiry. It just sounds like you've encountered unhealthy people who lack self awareness. This is not just a fire sign thing, I've heard plenty of other signs say stuff like this.

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Posted by PoshChickenLove1111

Posted by Parkourler

Hi,

So I noticed that Fire signs say stuff like, I need a strong partner who calls me on my bs,

or "can't handle me", I am independent etc.

So do you say that because your forceful expressive ways can easily deter meek people to stand up for themselves?

Are people less likely to hold you accountable?

Or are there other reasons?

Not all fire signs say stuff like that, and your question seems like you're trying to "call fire signs out" as opposed to being a genuine inquiry. It just sounds like you've encountered unhealthy people who lack self awareness. This is not just a fire sign thing, I've heard plenty of other signs say stuff like this.

Okay you got me. I am fishing for more positive reasons but I actually think they are commonly used cop outs. Just wanted to give the benefit of the doubt. I have heard loud domineering people using these expressions and I have read them here so often that I think it's common fire sign language.

Here is what I think. If "Strong personality" is used when called out it's bs. They don't want toadmit they were overbearing, or dominated the conversation. Which is infuriating when it comes from blunt people. Those people are just begging to be told off. Handle me, wanting to be called out, strong partner. What these expressions have in common is they want somebody else cater to them. And it slightly puts them on a higher pedestal. Fire signs are described as me signs.

It's just something that bugs me. I also learned to never raise my voice and always say please.

So I take a lot of offense to "passionate" behavior. Another euphemism for yelling.

I am also irritated that the moment they lash out it's over. No it's not cause it's humiliating and mean words cannot be taken back.

Because to me it's a screaming injustice when the people seem to never take the blame but dish out a lot. I cannot handle guilt free people who wrong others.

I am trying really hard not to hate or generalise. There must be some self aware people out there who take the blame when they messed up.

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Posted by saggurl88

Posted by Parkourler

Posted by PoshChickenLove1111

Posted by Parkourler

Hi,

So I noticed that Fire signs say stuff like, I need a strong partner who calls me on my bs,

or "can't handle me", I am independent etc.

So do you say that because your forceful expressive ways can easily deter meek people to stand up for themselves?

Are people less likely to hold you accountable?

Or are there other reasons?

Not all fire signs say stuff like that, and your question seems like you're trying to "call fire signs out" as opposed to being a genuine inquiry. It just sounds like you've encountered unhealthy people who lack self awareness. This is not just a fire sign thing, I've heard plenty of other signs say stuff like this.

Okay you got me. I am fishing for more positive reasons but I actually think they are commonly used cop outs. Just wanted to give the benefit of the doubt. I have heard loud domineering people using these expressions and I have read them here so often that I think it's common fire sign language.

Here is what I think. If "Strong personality" is used when called out it's bs. They don't want toadmit they were overbearing, or dominated the conversation. Which is infuriating when it comes from blunt people. Those people are just begging to be told off. Handle me, wanting to be called out, strong partner. What these expressions have in common is they want somebody else cater to them. And it slightly puts them on a higher pedestal. Fire signs are described as me signs.

It's just something that bugs me. I also learned to never raise my voice and always say please.

So I take a lot of offense to "passionate" behavior. Another euphemism for yelling.

I am also irritated that the moment they lash out it's over. No it's not cause it's humiliating and mean words cannot be taken back.

Because to me it's a screaming injustice when the people seem to never take the blame but dish out a lot. I cannot handle guilt free people who wrong others.

I am trying really hard not to hate or generalise. There must be some self aware people out there who take the blame when they messed up.

Seems more like incompatibility.

Anytime you have to change who you are to try to appease someone else, you shouldn’t be doing it.

Walking on eggshells around a fire sign is a YOU thing.

Not raising your voice and always saying please is something you do, because it’s what you expect from another person. It’s what YOU like because this behavior bothers you.

It’s a subtle way of getting the other person to do things in this way.

As far as taking blame.

It’s not up to you to be the police on this matter. If you have something to say to a person, speak up. Fire signs can handle directness.

If you think they should own up to it, and they see nothing wrong, don’t stay quiet. Let them know.

We can be self aware when we actually think we’ve done something wrong. This is where the great area lies.

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Posted by alexscaries

I don't think I've said this, could be wrong though.

Posted by Parkourler

Posted by saggurl88

Posted by Parkourler

Posted by PoshChickenLove1111

Posted by Parkourler

Hi,

So I noticed that Fire signs say stuff like, I need a strong partner who calls me on my bs,

or "can't handle me", I am independent etc.

So do you say that because your forceful expressive ways can easily deter meek people to stand up for themselves?

Are people less likely to hold you accountable?

Or are there other reasons?

Not all fire signs say stuff like that, and your question seems like you're trying to "call fire signs out" as opposed to being a genuine inquiry. It just sounds like you've encountered unhealthy people who lack self awareness. This is not just a fire sign thing, I've heard plenty of other signs say stuff like this.

Okay you got me. I am fishing for more positive reasons but I actually think they are commonly used cop outs. Just wanted to give the benefit of the doubt. I have heard loud domineering people using these expressions and I have read them here so often that I think it's common fire sign language.

Here is what I think. If "Strong personality" is used when called out it's bs. They don't want toadmit they were overbearing, or dominated the conversation. Which is infuriating when it comes from blunt people. Those people are just begging to be told off. Handle me, wanting to be called out, strong partner. What these expressions have in common is they want somebody else cater to them. And it slightly puts them on a higher pedestal. Fire signs are described as me signs.

It's just something that bugs me. I also learned to never raise my voice and always say please.

So I take a lot of offense to "passionate" behavior. Another euphemism for yelling.

I am also irritated that the moment they lash out it's over. No it's not cause it's humiliating and mean words cannot be taken back.

Because to me it's a screaming injustice when the people seem to never take the blame but dish out a lot. I cannot handle guilt free people who wrong others.

I am trying really hard not to hate or generalise. There must be some self aware people out there who take the blame when they messed up.

Seems more like incompatibility.

Anytime you have to change who you are to try to appease someone else, you shouldn’t be doing it.

Walking on eggshells around a fire sign is a YOU thing.

Not raising your voice and always saying please is something you do, because it’s what you expect from another person. It’s what YOU like because this behavior bothers you.

It’s a subtle way of getting the other person to do things in this way.

As far as taking blame.

It’s not up to you to be the police on this matter. If you have something to say to a person, speak up. Fire signs can handle directness.

If you think they should own up to it, and they see nothing wrong, don’t stay quiet. Let them know.

We can be self aware when we actually think we’ve done something wrong. This is where the great area lies.

Okay, you make me me look like I am trying to impose my expectations on somebody. I don't,

I only have an issue if it affects me. I like to think there are universal unwritten rules of politeness and respect.

Let me ask you I take offense to being yelled at, cut off, giving instructions with a drill sergeant voice, have a team member make an impulsive decision against an agreed upon plan and expect me to go along with it. Whenever somebody wants something from you better ask nicely. I hate scenes in public.

Can you come up with scenarios where the behaviour I have listed are okay?

I don't police but I get extremely unpleasant when I get treated like dirt and people are unapologetic about it.

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Posted by saggurl88

I don’t say this as a fire sign.

I don’t think I’m difficult at all. If anything, I’m too passive. Must be all my water.

I just want to be accepted for who I am and don’t want to have to change to fit a mold.

So anyone controlling will have a hard time with me, including other fire signs.

I can be lead, but not controlled.

I actually love being held accountable. It gives me an excuse to be straight forward, direct, and to tell it like it is. What can you say to honesty if you’ve asked? 😅

If you don’t say anything, I’m so passive that it probably won’t be brought up and I will think that things are going good.

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Posted by PoshChickenLove1111

Posted by Parkourler

Hi,

So I noticed that Fire signs say stuff like, I need a strong partner who calls me on my bs,

or "can't handle me", I am independent etc.

So do you say that because your forceful expressive ways can easily deter meek people to stand up for themselves?

Are people less likely to hold you accountable?

Or are there other reasons?

Not all fire signs say stuff like that, and your question seems like you're trying to "call fire signs out" as opposed to being a genuine inquiry. It just sounds like you've encountered unhealthy people who lack self awareness. This is not just a fire sign thing, I've heard plenty of other signs say stuff like this.

Okay you got me. I am fishing for more positive reasons but I actually think they are commonly used cop outs. Just wanted to give the benefit of the doubt. I have heard loud domineering people using these expressions and I have read them here so often that I think it's common fire sign language.

Here is what I think. If "Strong personality" is used when called out it's bs. They don't want toadmit they were overbearing, or dominated the conversation. Which is infuriating when it comes from blunt people. Those people are just begging to be told off. Handle me, wanting to be called out, strong partner. What these expressions have in common is they want somebody else cater to them. And it slightly puts them on a higher pedestal. Fire signs are described as me signs.

It's just something that bugs me. I also learned to never raise my voice and always say please.

So I take a lot of offense to "passionate" behavior. Another euphemism for yelling.

I am also irritated that the moment they lash out it's over. No it's not cause it's humiliating and mean words cannot be taken back.

Because to me it's a screaming injustice when the people seem to never take the blame but dish out a lot. I cannot handle guilt free people who wrong others.

I am trying really hard not to hate or generalise. There must be some self aware people out there who take the blame when they messed up.

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Posted by Parkourler

Okay you got me. I am fishing for more positive reasons but I actually think they are commonly used cop outs....I have heard loud domineering people using these expressions and I have read them here so often that I think it's common fire sign language.

Here is what I think. If "Strong personality" is used when called out it's bs. They don't want toadmit they were overbearing, or dominated the conversation. Which is infuriating when it comes from blunt people. Those people are just begging to be told off. Handle me, wanting to be called out, strong partner. What these expressions have in common is they want somebody else cater to them. And it slightly puts them on a higher pedestal. Fire signs are described as me signs.

It's just something that bugs me. I also learned to never raise my voice and always say please.

So I take a lot of offense to "passionate" behavior. Another euphemism for yelling.

I am also irritated that the moment they lash out it's over. No it's not cause it's humiliating and mean words cannot be taken back.

Because to me it's a screaming injustice when the people seem to never take the blame but dish out a lot. I cannot handle guilt free people who wrong others.

I am trying really hard not to hate or generalise. There must be some self aware people out there who take the blame when they messed up.

Posted by PhoenixRising

Posted by Parkourler

Okay you got me. I am fishing for more positive reasons but I actually think they are commonly used cop outs....I have heard loud domineering people using these expressions and I have read them here so often that I think it's common fire sign language.

Here is what I think. If "Strong personality" is used when called out it's bs. They don't want toadmit they were overbearing, or dominated the conversation. Which is infuriating when it comes from blunt people. Those people are just begging to be told off. Handle me, wanting to be called out, strong partner. What these expressions have in common is they want somebody else cater to them. And it slightly puts them on a higher pedestal. Fire signs are described as me signs.

It's just something that bugs me. I also learned to never raise my voice and always say please.

So I take a lot of offense to "passionate" behavior. Another euphemism for yelling.

I am also irritated that the moment they lash out it's over. No it's not cause it's humiliating and mean words cannot be taken back.

Because to me it's a screaming injustice when the people seem to never take the blame but dish out a lot. I cannot handle guilt free people who wrong others.

I am trying really hard not to hate or generalise. There must be some self aware people out there who take the blame when they messed up.

This reads more like you have an issue with some of the people you've encountered and rather than address them directly, you've made this about an entire astrological element. It isn't. People are not going to always take in what you have to say about their presentation or how they come across, and they don't have to. Your style /approach will not be for everyone and visa versa. If you've spoken up and tried to address an issue, that's all you can do. However talking about what you don't like to a group of people that aren't the real issue will get you no where.

If you don't like something, speak up and no it does not require you to be loud, "passionate" or obnoxious. Simply direct.

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Posted by saggurl88

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Posted by saggurl88

Posted by Parkourler

Posted by PoshChickenLove1111

Posted by Parkourler

Hi,

So I noticed that Fire signs say stuff like, I need a strong partner who calls me on my bs,

or "can't handle me", I am independent etc.

So do you say that because your forceful expressive ways can easily deter meek people to stand up for themselves?

Are people less likely to hold you accountable?

Or are there other reasons?

Not all fire signs say stuff like that, and your question seems like you're trying to "call fire signs out" as opposed to being a genuine inquiry. It just sounds like you've encountered unhealthy people who lack self awareness. This is not just a fire sign thing, I've heard plenty of other signs say stuff like this.

Okay you got me. I am fishing for more positive reasons but I actually think they are commonly used cop outs. Just wanted to give the benefit of the doubt. I have heard loud domineering people using these expressions and I have read them here so often that I think it's common fire sign language.

Here is what I think. If "Strong personality" is used when called out it's bs. They don't want toadmit they were overbearing, or dominated the conversation. Which is infuriating when it comes from blunt people. Those people are just begging to be told off. Handle me, wanting to be called out, strong partner. What these expressions have in common is they want somebody else cater to them. And it slightly puts them on a higher pedestal. Fire signs are described as me signs.

It's just something that bugs me. I also learned to never raise my voice and always say please.

So I take a lot of offense to "passionate" behavior. Another euphemism for yelling.

I am also irritated that the moment they lash out it's over. No it's not cause it's humiliating and mean words cannot be taken back.

Because to me it's a screaming injustice when the people seem to never take the blame but dish out a lot. I cannot handle guilt free people who wrong others.

I am trying really hard not to hate or generalise. There must be some self aware people out there who take the blame when they messed up.

Seems more like incompatibility.

Anytime you have to change who you are to try to appease someone else, you shouldn’t be doing it.

Walking on eggshells around a fire sign is a YOU thing.

Not raising your voice and always saying please is something you do, because it’s what you expect from another person. It’s what YOU like because this behavior bothers you.

It’s a subtle way of getting the other person to do things in this way.

As far as taking blame.

It’s not up to you to be the police on this matter. If you have something to say to a person, speak up. Fire signs can handle directness.

If you think they should own up to it, and they see nothing wrong, don’t stay quiet. Let them know.

We can be self aware when we actually think we’ve done something wrong. This is where the great area lies.

Okay, you make me me look like I am trying to impose my expectations on somebody. I don't,

I only have an issue if it affects me. I like to think there are universal unwritten rules of politeness and respect.

Let me ask you I take offense to being yelled at, cut off, giving instructions with a drill sergeant voice, have a team member make an impulsive decision against an agreed upon plan and expect me to go along with it. Whenever somebody wants something from you better ask nicely. I hate scenes in public.

Can you come up with scenarios where the behaviour I have listed are okay?

I don't police but I get extremely unpleasant when I get treated like dirt and people are unapologetic about it.

It’s not about whether it’s ok. It’s just about if it bothers you. That was the point.

Like if I always apologize for canceling dates last minute.

Usually it’s about what bothers me, which is why I apologize for doing it. Because I don’t like being canceled on.

If someone yells at me, I’m not phased by it at all. I’m pretty calm and it doesn’t affect me. It’s just a part of my passive personality.

You’re saying it’s rude- I don’t doubt that- and that you don’t like it.

My point is that people will be who they are.

You may just be incompatible with aggressive,loud people.

Some people find this type boisterous, direct, and lively- You don’t 🙃

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Posted by Parkourler

Nope nice try, I gave an example I did not generalise, please note I made this thread about certain words and behaviours not an entire sign.

Posted by Parkourler

Hi,

So I noticed that Fire signs say stuff like, I need a strong partner who calls me on my bs,

or "can't handle me", I am independent etc.

So do you say that because your forceful expressive ways can easily deter meek people to stand up for themselves?

Are people less likely to hold you accountable?

Or are there other reasons?

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Posted by Parkourler

Nope nice try, I gave an example I did not generalise, please note I made this thread about certain words and behaviours not an entire sign.

Title of the thread says "Fire Signs...".

OP says fire signs:

Posted by Parkourler

Hi,

So I noticed that Fire signs say stuff like, I need a strong partner who calls me on my bs,

or "can't handle me", I am independent etc.

So do you say that because your forceful expressive ways can easily deter meek people to stand up for themselves?

Are people less likely to hold you accountable?

Or are there other reasons?

You even state in the very post I quoted that it is "common fire sign language" and go further to say "I am trying not to generalize"...and only state this in response to a few people already called you out on making this a fire sign issue, oppose to an issue with individuals that are unhealthy or lack self-awareness, yet now "you're not generalizing". Okay. How exactly are you defining the word "generalization"? Please note, I wrote my post before reading the rest of the thread or additional posts, so your "example" was not addressed in the point I was making.

Reading further on to your example(s), my position still stands. You highlighted some issues that you either observed or experienced and rather than call it out/address it with the person directly, you're passively making this a "fire signs" issue. I have seen the behaviours you're referring to from all four elements, not just fire signs. It is not just a "fire signs" thing. It will come from anyone that feels their approach can/should go unchecked. So if you don't like it, check it.

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Posted by PoshChickenLove1111

Posted by Parkourler

Hi,

So I noticed that Fire signs say stuff like, I need a strong partner who calls me on my bs,

or "can't handle me", I am independent etc.

So do you say that because your forceful expressive ways can easily deter meek people to stand up for themselves?

Are people less likely to hold you accountable?

Or are there other reasons?

Not all fire signs say stuff like that, and your question seems like you're trying to "call fire signs out" as opposed to being a genuine inquiry. It just sounds like you've encountered unhealthy people who lack self awareness. This is not just a fire sign thing, I've heard plenty of other signs say stuff like this.

Okay you got me. I am fishing for more positive reasons but I actually think they are commonly used cop outs. Just wanted to give the benefit of the doubt. I have heard loud domineering people using these expressions and I have read them here so often that I think it's common fire sign language.

Here is what I think. If "Strong personality" is used when called out it's bs. They don't want toadmit they were overbearing, or dominated the conversation. Which is infuriating when it comes from blunt people. Those people are just begging to be told off. Handle me, wanting to be called out, strong partner. What these expressions have in common is they want somebody else cater to them. And it slightly puts them on a higher pedestal. Fire signs are described as me signs.

It's just something that bugs me. I also learned to never raise my voice and always say please.

So I take a lot of offense to "passionate" behavior. Another euphemism for yelling.

I am also irritated that the moment they lash out it's over. No it's not cause it's humiliating and mean words cannot be taken back.

Because to me it's a screaming injustice when the people seem to never take the blame but dish out a lot. I cannot handle guilt free people who wrong others.

I am trying really hard not to hate or generalise. There must be some self aware people out there who take the blame when they messed up.

Seems more like incompatibility.

Anytime you have to change who you are to try to appease someone else, you shouldn’t be doing it.

Walking on eggshells around a fire sign is a YOU thing.

Not raising your voice and always saying please is something you do, because it’s what you expect from another person. It’s what YOU like because this behavior bothers you.

It’s a subtle way of getting the other person to do things in this way.

As far as taking blame.

It’s not up to you to be the police on this matter. If you have something to say to a person, speak up. Fire signs can handle directness.

If you think they should own up to it, and they see nothing wrong, don’t stay quiet. Let them know.

We can be self aware when we actually think we’ve done something wrong. This is where the great area lies.

Okay, you make me me look like I am trying to impose my expectations on somebody. I don't,

I only have an issue if it affects me. I like to think there are universal unwritten rules of politeness and respect.

Let me ask you I take offense to being yelled at, cut off, giving instructions with a drill sergeant voice, have a team member make an impulsive decision against an agreed upon plan and expect me to go along with it. Whenever somebody wants something from you better ask nicely. I hate scenes in public.

Can you come up with scenarios where the behaviour I have listed are okay?

I don't police but I get extremely unpleasant when I get treated like dirt and people are unapologetic about it.

It’s not about whether it’s ok. It’s just about if it bothers you. That was the point.

Like if I always apologize for canceling dates last minute.

Usually it’s about what bothers me, which is why I apologize for doing it. Because I don’t like being canceled on.

If someone yells at me, I’m not phased by it at all. I’m pretty calm and it doesn’t affect me. It’s just a part of my passive personality.

You’re saying it’s rude- I don’t doubt that- and that you don’t like it.

My point is that people will be who they are.

You may just be incompatible with aggressive,loud people.

Some people find this type boisterous, direct, and lively- You don’t 🙃

Welĺ I like to find out how other people tick, so can you tell me your take on my examples?

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