Astrology and sexual abuse

What are some signs that might indicate abuse of any kind, specifically sexual abuse or rape? I know I asked this before but looking back at it after a long pause in astrology has got me curious. Would anyone like to share feedback and stuff related to it?

I have charts of some rape victims I know:



Cancer sun, Gemini moon and Libra ascendant



Aqua sun, Aries moon and Scorpio ascendant

Anyone have any insight? As mentioned above, the two are rape victims. The former has been raped for 1.5 years straight while the latter has been sexually abused twice before when they were at a young age.

Posted by ACsquarepluto

The first chart has Chiron in Scorpio square Uranus by 1 degree. This could cause instability in upbringing (emphasized by Chiron in 2nd), Chiron in Scorpio could indicate that power and its abuse was a childhood theme. Saturn in 8th square Pluto could indicate that power struggles and oppression from authority figures is a recurring theme through life.

The second chart has Chiron in Scorpio in 1st: the 1st house indicating that as a child, this person may have been made to feel ashamed to be him or herself. Saturn quincunx Chiron by 2 degrees indicate that someone in authority may have been the cause of oppression or trauma from childhood (or that these figures show up through the lifetime, stirring up deeply-felt shame stemming from the vulnerable years). More positively, this chart has a Chiron-Venus sextile indicating that this person may find it in him or herself to use his/her experience to help others.

Hope this helps.

As a side note-

Asteroids which can indicate abuse: Dejanira (157) conjunct the personal planets or North Node

Potentially Proserpina (26) conjunct the personal planets

Prey (6157) conjunct the personal planets

(source: http://mychristianpsychic.com/journal/asked-ten-darkest-asteroids-synastry/)

Quick correction, 1st chart doesn't have Saturn square Pluto but more like Saturn inconjunct Pluto because of 3 degree Taurus and 5 degree Sag

EDIT: Meant Inconjunct by 2 degree orb instead of Sesquiquadrate

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Posted by ACsquarepluto

The first chart has Chiron in Scorpio square Uranus by 1 degree. This could cause instability in upbringing (emphasized by Chiron in 2nd), Chiron in Scorpio could indicate that power and its abuse was a childhood theme. Saturn in 8th square Pluto could indicate that power struggles and oppression from authority figures is a recurring theme through life.

The second chart has Chiron in Scorpio in 1st: the 1st house indicating that as a child, this person may have been made to feel ashamed to be him or herself. Saturn quincunx Chiron by 2 degrees indicate that someone in authority may have been the cause of oppression or trauma from childhood (or that these figures show up through the lifetime, stirring up deeply-felt shame stemming from the vulnerable years). More positively, this chart has a Chiron-Venus sextile indicating that this person may find it in him or herself to use his/her experience to help others.

Hope this helps.

As a side note-

Asteroids which can indicate abuse: Dejanira (157) conjunct the personal planets or North Node

Potentially Proserpina (26) conjunct the personal planets

Prey (6157) conjunct the personal planets

(source: http://mychristianpsychic.com/journal/asked-ten-darkest-asteroids-synastry/)

Quick correction, 1st chart doesn't have Saturn square Pluto but more like Saturn sesquiquadrate Pluto because of 3 degree Taurus and 5 degree Sag

my bad. corrected

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But from this can we say that Chiron in Scorpio with bad aspects could lead to abuse? I also noticed that the 2nd chart has Mars square Pluto in a 2 degree orb so that's like really dangerous too.

I also think the two have negative Jupiter aspects too, would that contribute?

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Posted by ACsquarepluto

The first chart has Chiron in Scorpio square Uranus by 1 degree. This could cause instability in upbringing (emphasized by Chiron in 2nd), Chiron in Scorpio could indicate that power and its abuse was a childhood theme. Saturn in 8th square Pluto could indicate that power struggles and oppression from authority figures is a recurring theme through life.

The second chart has Chiron in Scorpio in 1st: the 1st house indicating that as a child, this person may have been made to feel ashamed to be him or herself. Saturn quincunx Chiron by 2 degrees indicate that someone in authority may have been the cause of oppression or trauma from childhood (or that these figures show up through the lifetime, stirring up deeply-felt shame stemming from the vulnerable years). More positively, this chart has a Chiron-Venus sextile indicating that this person may find it in him or herself to use his/her experience to help others.

Hope this helps.

As a side note-

Asteroids which can indicate abuse: Dejanira (157) conjunct the personal planets or North Node

Potentially Proserpina (26) conjunct the personal planets

Prey (6157) conjunct the personal planets

(source: http://mychristianpsychic.com/journal/asked-ten-darkest-asteroids-synastry/)

Quick correction, 1st chart doesn't have Saturn square Pluto but more like Saturn sesquiquadrate Pluto because of 3 degree Taurus and 5 degree Sag

my bad. corrected

But from this can we say that Chiron in Scorpio with bad aspects could lead to abuse? I also noticed that the 2nd chart has Mars square Pluto in a 2 degree orb so that's like really dangerous too.

I also think the two have negative Jupiter aspects too, would that contribute?

You might be right about the Mars-Pluto hard aspects contributing to this. I see the first chart has a 4 degree quincunx. As far as Jupiter aspects, I only saw a trine to the sun in the first and a semisextile to Mercury in the second, so I wouldn't peg this as a contributor. I skip Jupiter aspects in readings often though: good aspects=luck, hard aspects=struggle with self-discipline, from what I've read so far.

looking back I see Jupiter aspects the angles out of sign in the first chart and semi-squares Uranus, still not sure this would be a contributor. Uranus and Neptune in the 4th house could be contributors within the first chart.

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I mean the situation with the first chart is that the victim has a male roommate that suffers from substance abuse and drug abuse, and when someone isn't thinking clearly due to the drugs and drinks, the first thing they would do is to assault the victim which is a woman that has no ability to fight back.

This went on for half a year, with the victim basically babysitting the aggressor and paying for his stuff and rent while he comes back and rapes her. This happened for 1.5 years straight before he was finally able to break it off. From my initial suspects, I feel like Sun/Mars in 10th house might have contributed to this (She has sun opposite Neptune, which means that either she deceives or is deceived. In this case while she works as an accountant which means she has to lie to people about things, she might be also deceived by her own roommate), as well as Uranus and Neptune being in 4th house as you said (The raping happens in her own apartment). Plus the Chiron and Saturn in 8th house, which results in her being unable to fight back and have issues with her finances (Chiron in 2nd house is related to her own finances, Saturn in the 8th is about other people's finances)

I mean I'm probably missing out things but what happened fitted accurately into what her chart suggests...

Posted by Koni

Mars square Pluto can

A bit off topic but since I have Mars square Pluto too, does that mean I'm gonna get assaulted in the future ;-;

Posted by Antiochus

I remember reading somewhere that Nessus on the ASC signifies abuse in some form.

If it's in the first house the person might have abusive tendency.

If it's in the twelfth house the person has suffered abuse or will constantly have to protect itself from abuse in some form.

Regarding credibility:

I have this with Nessus in the twelfth and definetly suffered some forms of emotional and psychological abuse during my childhood.

The girl on the 1st chart has Nessus in Sag, 3rd house, and trines Mercury in a 4 degree orb, sextiles Uranus in a 8 degree orb and no other major aspects.

The girl on the 2nd chart also has Nessus in Sag, 2nd house, and it semi sextiles Venus by 1 degree orb, sextiles Jupiter by a 8 degree orb, and trines Saturn in a 6 degree orb.

What's interesting to see in websites is that:

Nessus in 2nd house links sex with self worth (considering the rest of her chart suggests that her self worth is battered, that might be a sign), and how money is used as a tool for abuse, as well as possession as an argument topic, about who possesses who.

Nessus in 3rd house hints that there might be abuse between siblings, and how communication is used for abuse and sex. Those who have Nessus in 3rd house CANNOT SPEAK UP FOR THEMSELVES in their experiences, either they can't or they're too afraid. On a bright note, they tend to write about it in the future to help protect people from their experiences.

On an off topic note, I realized my Nessus is in Cap, and is in conjunction with my Ascendant literally. However, Nessus is in 3 degree Cap, 43'44" in my chart, while my Ascendant is in 3 degree Cap, 47'15". Does that mean my Nessus is in the 12th house or in the 1st house?

Posted by ACsquarepluto

The first chart has Chiron in Scorpio square Uranus by 1 degree. This could cause instability in upbringing (emphasized by Chiron in 2nd), Chiron in Scorpio could indicate that power and its abuse was a childhood theme. Saturn in 8th quincunx Pluto could indicate that power struggles and oppression from authority figures is a recurring theme through life.

The second chart has Chiron in Scorpio in 1st: the 1st house indicating that as a child, this person may have been made to feel ashamed to be him or herself. Saturn quincunx Chiron by 2 degrees indicate that someone in authority may have been the cause of oppression or trauma from childhood (or that these figures show up through the lifetime, stirring up deeply-felt shame stemming from the vulnerable years). More positively, this chart has a Chiron-Venus sextile indicating that this person may find it in him or herself to use his/her experience to help others.

Hope this helps.

As a side note-

Asteroids which can indicate abuse: Dejanira (157) conjunct the personal planets or North Node

Potentially Proserpina (26) conjunct the personal planets

Prey (6157) conjunct the personal planets

(source: http://mychristianpsychic.com/journal/asked-ten-darkest-asteroids-synastry/)

Bit of an update: I checked the asteroids and I realized that Proserpina happens to conjunct the moon with both charts. Does that mean something? There's no other major aspect otherwise, as they are usually either minor aspects or squares or sextiles iirc.

Honestly that's like one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

How on earth does your own natal chart determine if you're gonna get borked or not? When it's another person's actions entirely that make it happen.

Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShow

Honestly that's like one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

How on earth does your own natal chart determine if you're gonna get borked or not? When it's another person's actions entirely that make it happen.

Your natal chart indicates whether you'd be the juicy target or be the aggressor

And if the aggressor and juicy target's synastry chart lines up to a point where abuse is likely to happen

Yeah it happens then

what do you see here?

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Posted by justagirl

what do you see here?

Would you like a full reading? I'm about to sleep but I can try to get up early and post one for you tomorrow morning (if I don't have time, I will by tomorrow night(: )

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I wouldn't say no, but only when you have time 🙂 Thanks sweets 🙂

Chiron or Mars in the 8th. Sometimes synastry or composite with victim and perpetrator could show. Look to asteroids nessus and dejanira as well.

Posted by Antiochus

I remember reading somewhere that Nessus on the ASC signifies abuse in some form.

If it's in the first house the person might have abusive tendency.

If it's in the twelfth house the person has suffered abuse or will constantly have to protect itself from abuse in some form.

Regarding credibility:

I have this with Nessus in the twelfth and definetly suffered some forms of emotional and psychological abuse during my childhood.

I have Nessus in 1st house (same as my ASC) but by a wide orb by 26 degrees. Someone once told me, after reading this aspect, that it signifies the abused becoming the abuser.

On hindsight, this was somewhat the case for me, as in the bullied becoming the bully. I was a nasty piece of work until my mid-20s, then I managed to break the cycle.

Is this in any way true?

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Posted by Antiochus

I remember reading somewhere that Nessus on the ASC signifies abuse in some form.

If it's in the first house the person might have abusive tendency.

If it's in the twelfth house the person has suffered abuse or will constantly have to protect itself from abuse in some form.

Regarding credibility:

I have this with Nessus in the twelfth and definetly suffered some forms of emotional and psychological abuse during my childhood.

I have Nessus in 1st house (same as my ASC) but by a wide orb by 26 degrees. Someone once told me, after reading this aspect, that it signifies the abused becoming the abuser.

On hindsight, this was somewhat the case for me, as in the bullied becoming the bully. I was a nasty piece of work until my mid-20s, then I managed to break the cycle.

Is this in any way true?

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That's more like a semi sextile in a wide orb of 4 degrees instead of a conjunction (Conjunctions don't go beyond 8-10 degrees, and semi sextiles are at exactly more or less 30 degrees away from each other).

Posted by Koni

Mars square Pluto can

Possible. I have this and was date raped at 16.

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Posted by Koni

Mars square Pluto can

Possible. I have this and was date raped at 16.

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Can you show us your natal chart here for reference if that's okay with you?

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Posted by Koni

Mars square Pluto can

Possible. I have this and was date raped at 16.

Can you show us your natal chart here for reference if that's okay with you?

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Of course!

Here you go :-)

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Posted by Koni

Mars square Pluto can

Possible. I have this and was date raped at 16.

Can you show us your natal chart here for reference if that's okay with you?

Of course!

Here you go :-)

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Thanks 😄 But as ACSquarePluto has said in the 1st page, there's 3 asteroids that also influence this more than asteroids like Juno or Vesta, but this will do for now

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Posted by Koni

Mars square Pluto can

Possible. I have this and was date raped at 16.

Can you show us your natal chart here for reference if that's okay with you?

Of course!

Here you go :-)

Thanks 😄 But as ACSquarePluto has said in the 1st page, there's 3 asteroids that also influence this more than asteroids like Juno or Vesta, but this will do for now

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Oh... my bad... they prolly in 12 house wirh everything else lol

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Posted by justagirl

what do you see here?

Some aspects which imply that abuse may have been a significant source of trauma within your life:

-Sun conjunct Proserpina by 2 degrees

-Prey conjunct ascendant tightly on the degree

-Dejanira quincunx ascendant on the degree (also may be notable that Dejanira falls in the 5th house of dating, leisure, and building a family)

-moon quincunx Saturn within 1 degree

-Chiron in Aries/4th square Mercury within 3 degrees

These close aspects signify that you may have experienced trauma or abuse, and the exact square between your North Node and Prey suggests that you will benefit from putting effort into recovering from experienced abuse and learning to identify warning signs. Your nodal axis implores you to work on finding balance between seeking comfort in alone time, self-care, and philosophy/abstract theories and learning to trust others to help you heal by building relationships at an appropriate pace. When receiving advice, your NN in Aquarius/3rd implores you to process it rationally and objectively as opposed to relying on opinion or putting significance into how the advice affects you emotionally. This is emphasized by your midheaven in Virgo: while your Sag Mercury may tend to prefer to digest many different ideas and allow them all credibility, your NN and midheaven suggest focus and some amount of cautious skepticism will benefit you when learning and during the decision-making process.

Chiron in Aries/4th implies you may have suffered trauma in childhood due to a guardian who may have been unencouraging: your competence (especially mental, due to Chiron's square to Mercury) may have been disregarded, although you are surely competent with your Virgo midheaven. Skill development and focused study as an adult should bring new confidence, and your 1st house stellium should be immensely useful in going your own way and building your self-worth while accepting that you may have been underestimated in the past: the opinions of ignorant people from your past in no way reflect reality.

Saturn quincunx Uranus by 2 degrees indicates progress may come in a long time with discouraging obstacles along the way, but your strong 2nd house should be a source of patience and hope for an ultimately positive outcome.

Your Mars, Jupiter, and Neptune all sextile Proserpina by max 2 degrees implies you may enjoy some degree of power in life, possibly as an effective and talented social figure or researcher/teacher considering your NN, midheaven, Mercury, and Uranus placements. This is emphasized by your Pluto biquintile NN and tribe Proserpina. You may wield great power someday and command respect. (:

Hope this helps.

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thank you 🙂 at work atm but will read more thoroughly when I get home tonight.

not sure if it makes a difference or not, but you mentioned Sag merc. I have a cap merc. does that matter?

also, I'm sure I don't need to tell you but yes I had a lot of trauma growing up.

Just realised I also have some aspects towards those asteroids too, not really conjunctions but there are squares. What are your insights @ACsquarepluto ? To clarify I'm not a victim of sexual abuse and hope I stay that way but in case of anything dangerous that might happen in the future, better be safe right? 😛

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Just realised I also have some aspects towards those asteroids too, not really conjunctions but there are squares. What are your insights @ACsquarepluto ? To clarify I'm not a victim of sexual abuse and hope I stay that way but in case of anything dangerous that might happen in the future, better be safe right? 😛

My initial impression looking through your placements and aspects is that you have the potential to heal and help others, as well as Neptunian gifts (natural intuition/possible paranormal talents due to Neptune in first conjunct the South Node on the degree): while your Dejanira/sun square may make you susceptible to abuse, you also have strong Nessus aspects (conjuncting your ascendant tightly on the degree and quincunx your NN tightly on the degree) implying that you may at times feel tempted to abuse the great power you may hold (and you seem to have a powerful chart: supported by Proserpina conjunct your MC by 1 degree).

Sun trine Prey within 3 degrees may equip you with empathy, maturity, and responsibility/goodwill toward others, which could counteract your difficult Nessus aspects. With your strong 1st house, Nessus-AC conjunction, and Proserpina-MC conjunction, you may not be abusive, but highly assertive and confident (potentially to your detriment, especially if your confidence depends too much on reassurance from others which can occur due to Aquarius SN). Your nodal axis, as well as your Libra midheaven, implores you to seek confidence and bravely assert your beliefs even when it can elicit criticism and to learn to respect others. When you develop self-confidence from an inner source impenetrable from the judgment of others, resentment for others should lessen and you may find relationships easier: you can acknowledge the value of others through a new lens because nothing they can say can pose a threat to your self-concept. (This may or may not resonate: I have SN 11th/NN 5th and am relaying my experience). Speaking up for others could be a fulfilling career path or way to volunteer your time due to your NN and midheaven (as well as your Pluto, Chiron, and Venus conjuncting each other in your 12th house and your natural intuitive abilities from your Neptune on your SN: Your methods to heal others could be creative; artistic; spiritual; occult; or through writing or speech, but your chart supports that building healing relationships or creating art/beauty for others to enjoy and benefit from will be fulfilling for you).

Chiron in Sagittarius/12th quincunx Saturn (4th) by 2 degrees implies susceptibility to suffer from hopelessness/existentialism and to suffer repression from others who may try to overpower you in a domestic setting (this may have happened in the past or may be a recurring theme). Chiron in Sag/12th could imply that repression may have been backed up by ideology which your care-keepers held, or they may have been distant and overly trusting that you would get through treacherous situations safely (example: you may have been allowed to walk through dangerous neighborhoods alone as a child). Chiron in 12th can suffer deep depression, which may be emphasized by your Neptune conjunct the SN: your intuitive talents could leave you feeling isolated and misunderstood. Your Leo NN/7th implores you to take care of your needs when they arise and ask for help, as there are people on your side who would be glad to help: and their help may be effective.

I hope this resonates. (:

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Thank you!! Sorry I didn't respond earlier than I should, was getting really late earlier on.

So I'm not exactly sure about the healing bit completely, since I can be supportive and give decent advice as said by people before, but histories with abuse in the form of bullying for many years across my school life plus other factors that contributed to shutting down my opinions (Criticised or ignored before for sharing opinions), so I have developed a rather cynical attitude towards viewing events and things really. Not sure if I'm misunderstanding but I always associated kindness with some degree of healing and selflessness so.

I haven't necessarily had power before RL, but I have attempted to apply for leadership positions (class rep for 6 straight years during elementary school, I didn't get to be class rep in any of those years) and failed usually. When I do get nominated, it wasn't always because of my ability but rather because of other aspects (I was class rep in my grade 10 year but I got nominated because I was, quoting everyone, a walking meme). Not that I did much to prove otherwise but eh. For online communities though, I have been in leadership positions numerous times and in different sized ones too, but that was in the past because as you said, those Nessus aspects make me prone to abusing my power plus some of my other negative Pluto aspects and I have an Icarus complex, which refers to those whose spiritual ambition exceeds their personality limits, leading to a backlash. Thus, it can be said that my "wings" have been stripped multiple times and I have been forced into exile (Venus in 12th house imo).

And as I developed earlier on, Sun trine Prey kind of applies sometimes but my cynical attitude has kind of overridden that sense of empathy. Plus I'm not really a responsible person, although I try to be, nor am I mature at my age in certain aspects, but people did say I'm really mature in other aspects (wanting commitment in relationships as a priority instead of wanting to have fun or whatever). You hit the spot on with my 1st house and my assertiveness and how my confidence is based on people's reassurance, although I wanted to add that I can be slightly abusive or at least what I know in my past, as I do things like hold grudges and resentment and would overstep to fuel my ambition -- hence Icarus complex.

I speak up my own opinions online and stuff when I'm in a setting where everyone's equal and everyone's opinions are valued, but I have since learned not to be super assertive towards my opinions, as I know it could cause backlash and I care more about my reputation than voicing my own opinion to gain backlash, even though I am known for being a bit of a hypocrite and devil's advocate, especially in my younger years.

I don't always speak up for others, unless I'm in a position to do so where I gain something from it, if I feel like following my own justice (hence me being devil's advocate, as other people's justices might not align with mines). Also what do you mean by "but your chart supports that building healing relationships"? As in you meant I am good at building platonic relationships with people and try to heal and help them?

I have had many moments in my life where I felt despair and hopelessness and powerlessness, like I believed that if I could be this and that, then none of it would have happened because I would have had the power to control the circumstances to my favour. I'm not sure about the repression completely, although I do find myself forced to follow orders sometimes and get contradicted by my parents over things and the one line that kept me not lashing out was that as children, we are robots and slaves (weird comparison but it's legit what I said in my head quote on quote) living out to serve their parents, and I believe that is somewhat true to this day. I liked being in control and in security as I'm the type of person who can't always follow orders unless I have to or if I'm convinced to. At my 18th birthday in January, I was left alone by my parents living overseas alone and studying and all that. While my mom's friends did help me overseas, my parents are physically in Asia while I'm in Europe, and many issues arise as a result, such as my weight dropping (I'm already underweight) and I didn't perform as well in school. And while I'm not completely sure about depression, I do have frequent mood swings and I did feel misunderstood and isolated sometimes, due to a childhood wound (Saturn in 4th house) and I want to be seen as more of a priority than an option by other people, but it's also because that I've been seen as an option that I can't really find people that can help me properly. To put it in another words, I'm almost like a doctor mentally but then doctors can't necessarily heal and save themselves the way they save their patients.

But thank you for the detailed analysis nonetheless 😄