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and you are about the worse. an ONLINE nurse going to diagnose some suicider, O_O

here on dxp. via a girlfriend.



edit and all you can do is go tear me down on my relationship way of being together and taking responsibility for eachother.

I would never like the OP as a girlfriend, coming in here and revealing a most sensitivie thing like this, to strangers about suicide.

How would YOU like it if you were ever in this situation and your boyfriend or girlfriend told on you to a bunch of strangers a very sensitive subject?

you would NEVER trust her /him again.
Everyone is different though Lisa and has different ways of handling stuff. Some people need to share what is happening with them...maybe that is a healthier option? I don't see the OP being disrespectful to her man at all....she said she loves him.

Some women will stay with a man, even if their life depended on it...literally. Some women will allow men to verbally abuse them, call them names and spit venom at them (is that love)? They have little regard for their safety and their self esteem is shot to pieces. You hear the women that say *oh he doesn't mean it* or *when he isn't verbally or physically abusing me, he is very nice*

I can remember my Dad shouting at my mother, taking his rage out on her and after she passed, he tried it with me. I told him straight away *you don't do that to me, i am not mum*. You know what happened, we ended up having the most mutually respectful relationship until he passed. He knew he couldn't cross the line with me.

Nobody needs to stay with someone that repeatedly abuses them verbally or physically, and then refuses to work on this, because if you do, you are helping that person become the worse version of themselves and allowing yourself to be treated like rubbish

That can never end up well for anyone. Sometimes people need a push to get out of that cycle


I don't recall her saying her boyfriend is abusive. if that's the case, then leave him be.

but for her wanting space and saying she loves him and he is suicidal...something does NOT add up.

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Mentally abusive, manipulative behaviour.

He was abused, so will most likely carry on with the pattern?

The space adds up very well. My long suffering, martyr like mother hit breaking point when my father who was suicidal and depressed for many years stayed in that state. She told him she would leave him if he didn't seek help. This is a Capricorn woman who suffered everything for love

All relationships need space......if they are to be healthy





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and you are about the worse. an ONLINE nurse going to diagnose some suicider, O_O

here on dxp. via a girlfriend.



edit and all you can do is go tear me down on my relationship way of being together and taking responsibility for eachother.

I would never like the OP as a girlfriend, coming in here and revealing a most sensitivie thing like this, to strangers about suicide.

How would YOU like it if you were ever in this situation and your boyfriend or girlfriend told on you to a bunch of strangers a very sensitive subject?

you would NEVER trust her /him again.
Everyone is different though Lisa and has different ways of handling stuff. Some people need to share what is happening with them...maybe that is a healthier option? I don't see the OP being disrespectful to her man at all....she said she loves him.

Some women will stay with a man, even if their life depended on it...literally. Some women will allow men to verbally abuse them, call them names and spit venom at them (is that love)? They have little regard for their safety and their self esteem is shot to pieces. You hear the women that say *oh he doesn't mean it* or *when he isn't verbally or physically abusing me, he is very nice*

I can remember my Dad shouting at my mother, taking his rage out on her and after she passed, he tried it with me. I told him straight away *you don't do that to me, i am not mum*. You know what happened, we ended up having the most mutually respectful relationship until he passed. He knew he couldn't cross the line with me.

Nobody needs to stay with someone that repeatedly abuses them verbally or physically, and then refuses to work on this, because if you do, you are helping that person become the worse version of themselves and allowing yourself to be treated like rubbish

That can never end up well for anyone. Sometimes people need a push to get out of that cycle


I don't recall her saying her boyfriend is abusive. if that's the case, then leave him be.

but for her wanting space and saying she loves him and he is suicidal...something does NOT add up.


Mentally abusive, manipulative behaviour.

He was abused, so will most likely carry on with the pattern?

The space adds up very well. My long suffering, martyr like mother hit breaking point when my father who was suicidal and depressed for many years stayed in that state. She told him she would leave him if he didn't seek help. This is a Capricorn woman who suffered everything for love

All relationships need space......if they are to be healthy





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nooo...a lot of these folks who talk about suicide and are depressed NEVER mentally abuse or hurt people.

they don't gaslight. They put their inner turmoil into themselves hurting themselves instead of others.

it is the type that hurts others that people should be careful of...

and the type that puts all their pain inside, all they need is a lot of love and comfort and support.
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You're being just a tad over dramatic Lisa. No one is tearing you down for defending the guy and being concerned about his comments about wanting to kill himself.

What's concerning to everyone is the fact that you are blaming the OP. You keep tap dancing around that fact and if I'm "diagnosing" what exactly are you doing? If I'm diagnosing then so are you, based off the very little bit of information that OP has shared. You may have lost someone to suicide and that's why you're reacting this way and if so, I am sorry for your loss. But you're misplacing the blame on OP. I'm not going to argue about this with you all day so this will be my last time commenting. If you can't see why blaming her is illogical then I don't know what to tell you.
all i'm saying is that if I were her boyfriend or girlfriend there'd be NO way i'd trust that woman again.

revealing something like this and then having people put him down for his depression.

I don't know what type of person he is, but if I were him, my love for her would die slowly and I wouldn't look at her the same way again, because my veil was lifted, and I would see that I can't even trust her with even the most sensitive subjects,

not to mention on TOP of that, she wants a "break"..

if anything, the love will die out soon enough. trust is important in any relationship and I could not trust that person the same way.

you have to feel secure and happy with someone, that means trusting all your fears and abandonment issues.
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unless the OP said that her boyfriend is beating her up and abusing her and has abused animals, there is a psychological mental disorder in him, then yes I can see it leading up to it. but you are basing this on someone who has abandonment issues. not someone who went to prison that killed someone.
There is such a thing as emotional abuse as well. Threatening to kill yourself if someone leaves is emotional abuse.

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did you see the diagnose online for suiciders? I thought you would see that since you are a nurse yourself and know suiciders.

it even says they voice out their suicide thoughts.
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and you are about the worse. an ONLINE nurse going to diagnose some suicider, O_O

here on dxp. via a girlfriend.



edit and all you can do is go tear me down on my relationship way of being together and taking responsibility for eachother.

I would never like the OP as a girlfriend, coming in here and revealing a most sensitivie thing like this, to strangers about suicide.

How would YOU like it if you were ever in this situation and your boyfriend or girlfriend told on you to a bunch of strangers a very sensitive subject?

you would NEVER trust her /him again.
Everyone is different though Lisa and has different ways of handling stuff. Some people need to share what is happening with them...maybe that is a healthier option? I don't see the OP being disrespectful to her man at all....she said she loves him.

Some women will stay with a man, even if their life depended on it...literally. Some women will allow men to verbally abuse them, call them names and spit venom at them (is that love)? They have little regard for their safety and their self esteem is shot to pieces. You hear the women that say *oh he doesn't mean it* or *when he isn't verbally or physically abusing me, he is very nice*

I can remember my Dad shouting at my mother, taking his rage out on her and after she passed, he tried it with me. I told him straight away *you don't do that to me, i am not mum*. You know what happened, we ended up having the most mutually respectful relationship until he passed. He knew he couldn't cross the line with me.

Nobody needs to stay with someone that repeatedly abuses them verbally or physically, and then refuses to work on this, because if you do, you are helping that person become the worse version of themselves and allowing yourself to be treated like rubbish

That can never end up well for anyone. Sometimes people need a push to get out of that cycle


I don't recall her saying her boyfriend is abusive. if that's the case, then leave him be.

but for her wanting space and saying she loves him and he is suicidal...something does NOT add up.


Mentally abusive, manipulative behaviour.

He was abused, so will most likely carry on with the pattern?

The space adds up very well. My long suffering, martyr like mother hit breaking point when my father who was suicidal and depressed for many years stayed in that state. She told him she would leave him if he didn't seek help. This is a Capricorn woman who suffered everything for love

All relationships need space......if they are to be healthy






nooo...a lot of these folks who talk about suicide and are depressed NEVER mentally abuse or hurt people.

they don't gaslight. They put their inner turmoil into themselves hurting themselves instead of others.

it is the type that hurts others that people should be careful of...

and the type that puts all their pain inside, all they need is a lot of love and comfort and support.
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Telling someone *I will kill myself if you leave me* is pretty abusive

I had a guy do it to me and i felt very violated by it.....
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The moment the suicide threat became a tool of coercion instead of a cry for help is when you got your first cue to leave.




you're very cold.

this person supposedly loves the guy.

are you serious—

you would just leave someone like that?

you have not loved someone very dearly have you?

what kind of people do you interact with anyway. the ones who never have problems? 😕
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Lisa your pov may be a little different because so far, your personal experience has never made you feel such a way before. That's a good thing but you can't put that burden on op without walking in her shoes.

Depression has many forms that can come with other negative thoughts and behaviors. The brain is altered. You remember the post about the husband killing his 4 children infront of his wife? She should have stayed away right?

Professional help is for the person with psychological issues, it is a separate issue from the relationship with op.

It's a sensitive situation and what you say can affect op in a negative way, pushing her to stay when it's unhealthy for her. Give her strength. Don't rip her apart.


no that's not a good example, the man who killed his children because he killed his wife and went to prison....

that is NOT a good man. Why would this woman bring this man into her home, fornicate with him, expose her current children with him, and then make new ones? only to have him snap one day and kill again?


It is a very good example lisa.

There is a mental imbalance. Now to what extreme, we can only assess that based on situation and always, we have to consider our own health and safety.

"he'll kill himself if i leave"

That's not a red flag to you?

You dont see manipulation here? Do you think that woman who lost her 4 children wasnt manipulated? Some people play emotional blackmail to get what they want. You cant help them unless they want to.

You have to think twice. If that person threatens to himself if you leave, what else can he threaten you next if you stay?

Pov lisa.



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uh no I don't agree.



she didn't pick him out of death row or something like that. I don't think so...
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The moment the suicide threat became a tool of coercion instead of a cry for help is when you got your first cue to leave.




you're very cold.

this person supposedly loves the guy.

are you serious—

you would just leave someone like that?

you have not loved someone very dearly have you?

what kind of people do you interact with anyway. the ones who never have problems? 😕
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The guy that threatened suicide to me Lisa was an Aqua....(Scorp moon)

I had been with him for years...he gambled, drank too much, did some drugs, and other stuff that i wont talk about. The suicide threat came when i was leaving after many attempts to make things work. Even the woman at the Relate counseling service told me if i was to stay i may end up totally dragged down. His issues were serious and he refused to get help

Sometimes, you reach a point where you have to put your sanity and safety first
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You're being just a tad over dramatic Lisa. No one is tearing you down for defending the guy and being concerned about his comments about wanting to kill himself.

What's concerning to everyone is the fact that you are blaming the OP. You keep tap dancing around that fact and if I'm "diagnosing" what exactly are you doing? If I'm diagnosing then so are you, based off the very little bit of information that OP has shared. You may have lost someone to suicide and that's why you're reacting this way and if so, I am sorry for your loss. But you're misplacing the blame on OP. I'm not going to argue about this with you all day so this will be my last time commenting. If you can't see why blaming her is illogical then I don't know what to tell you.
all i'm saying is that if I were her boyfriend or girlfriend there'd be NO way i'd trust that woman again.

revealing something like this and then having people put him down for his depression.

I don't know what type of person he is, but if I were him, my love for her would die slowly and I wouldn't look at her the same way again, because my veil was lifted, and I would see that I can't even trust her with even the most sensitive subjects,

not to mention on TOP of that, she wants a "break"..

if anything, the love will die out soon enough. trust is important in any relationship and I could not trust that person the same way.

you have to feel secure and happy with someone, that means trusting all your fears and abandonment issues.


Okay so your love would die slowly. Never trust her again. That's coping.

But don't kill yourself because of it and don't threaten someone that if they leave, you will kill yourself. You're missing the point entirely.

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ok, so what is she supposed to do?



you all seem to know the answers.
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He needs to seek professional help.

Seriously, emotionally blackmailing some one is not good.

My ex aqua tried the same technique with me when he our relationship was over and tried to emotionally blackmail by saying "if you leave me I will commit suicide"... My response was "we are 6 floors up (we lived in a flat at the time) go ahead and jump"...

You are not responsible for his emotional needs. He needs to see a counsellor. My ex gem was bipolar. He had a scorp moon. Yours is probably bipolar too.
Interesting, that air sun and scorp moon can be challenging
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The moment the suicide threat became a tool of coercion instead of a cry for help is when you got your first cue to leave.




you're very cold.

this person supposedly loves the guy.

are you serious—

you would just leave someone like that?

you have not loved someone very dearly have you?

what kind of people do you interact with anyway. the ones who never have problems? 😕


The guy that threatened suicide to me Lisa was an Aqua....(Scorp moon)

I had been with him for years...he gambled, drank too much, did some drugs, and other stuff that i wont talk about. The suicide threat came when i was leaving after many attempts to make things work. Even the woman at the Relate counseling service told me if i was to stay i may end up totally dragged down. His issues were serious and he refused to get help

Sometimes, you reach a point where you have to put your sanity and safety first
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he sounds like an addict.



I don't like people who are addicted to bad things like drugs and drink ect.

like the way Arielle is married to a man who is a pot smoker (I remember that topic)

I don't want that kind in my life.

so I don't blame you.

also, I didn't read where her guy is an addict.
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unless the OP said that her boyfriend is beating her up and abusing her and has abused animals, there is a psychological mental disorder in him, then yes I can see it leading up to it. but you are basing this on someone who has abandonment issues. not someone who went to prison that killed someone.
There is such a thing as emotional abuse as well. Threatening to kill yourself if someone leaves is emotional abuse.


did you see the diagnose online for suiciders? I thought you would see that since you are a nurse yourself and know suiciders.

it even says they voice out their suicide thoughts.
Saying "I'm going to kill myself" is different from "I'm going to kill myself IF you leave me". I'm pretty sure numerous people have already pointed that out, but since you're not hearing what you want to hear you are going to keep posting your google search results.

Bye Lisa. Lol heading to work.

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and you didn't read, it triggered the guy.



I guess I should see him too as a monster who is manipulative and a bad person.

maybe OP is not sharing that he is abusive too as well, cause why the break?
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He needs to seek professional help.

Seriously, emotionally blackmailing some one is not good.

My ex aqua tried the same technique with me when he our relationship was over and tried to emotionally blackmail by saying "if you leave me I will commit suicide"... My response was "we are 6 floors up (we lived in a flat at the time) go ahead and jump"...

You are not responsible for his emotional needs. He needs to see a counsellor. My ex gem was bipolar. He had a scorp moon. Yours is probably bipolar too.
the guy the OP is with, has a Gemini moon. he's a double Gemini.
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The moment the suicide threat became a tool of coercion instead of a cry for help is when you got your first cue to leave.




you're very cold.

this person supposedly loves the guy.

are you serious—

you would just leave someone like that?

you have not loved someone very dearly have you?

what kind of people do you interact with anyway. the ones who never have problems? 😕


Lol woman. Just lol....

Dont quote me back, i dont wish to talk to you.

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but you are allowed to read me whenever you feel like it.

you don't have to talk back to me.

you just don't like what I have to say, cause I am shocked that you would say that.

what if that happened to one of your family members or people you love?

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Lisa your pov may be a little different because so far, your personal experience has never made you feel such a way before. That's a good thing but you can't put that burden on op without walking in her shoes.

Depression has many forms that can come with other negative thoughts and behaviors. The brain is altered. You remember the post about the husband killing his 4 children infront of his wife? She should have stayed away right?

Professional help is for the person with psychological issues, it is a separate issue from the relationship with op.

It's a sensitive situation and what you say can affect op in a negative way, pushing her to stay when it's unhealthy for her. Give her strength. Don't rip her apart.


no that's not a good example, the man who killed his children because he killed his wife and went to prison....

that is NOT a good man. Why would this woman bring this man into her home, fornicate with him, expose her current children with him, and then make new ones? only to have him snap one day and kill again?


It is a very good example lisa.

There is a mental imbalance. Now to what extreme, we can only assess that based on situation and always, we have to consider our own health and safety.

"he'll kill himself if i leave"

That's not a red flag to you?

You dont see manipulation here? Do you think that woman who lost her 4 children wasnt manipulated? Some people play emotional blackmail to get what they want. You cant help them unless they want to.

You have to think twice. If that person threatens to himself if you leave, what else can he threaten you next if you stay?

Pov lisa.




uh no I don't agree.



she didn't pick him out of death row or something like that. I don't think so...
You dont have to.

Thats just one extreme example where things can snowball out of control.

Precautions and cutting risks minimizes that kind of aftermath.

Im sure you understand what im saying.

Have a good day.

I understand you. Afterall, im aqua dominant. ✌

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why are people always pointing to "aqua'

that has nothing to do with aquarius.

😕

im not even aqua dominant.

i'm just telling you all, I've experienced this in real life. I would not have even bothered if I had not experienced this in real life. I would probably be as ignorant as anyone else.

air does not do with "experience" or emotions,

it is logical. and rational. to stay away from those emotional types.

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but you are allowed to read me whenever you feel like it.

you don't have to talk back to me.

you just don't like what I have to say, cause I am shocked that you would say that.

what if that happened to one of your family members or people you love?


Go back to the kitchen and celebrity horoscopes.

It happened to me. Best friend. Suicide. 4 years ago. Still feel the same.



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sorry to hear that.

I would never want my best friend to die.
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You're being just a tad over dramatic Lisa. No one is tearing you down for defending the guy and being concerned about his comments about wanting to kill himself.

What's concerning to everyone is the fact that you are blaming the OP. You keep tap dancing around that fact and if I'm "diagnosing" what exactly are you doing? If I'm diagnosing then so are you, based off the very little bit of information that OP has shared. You may have lost someone to suicide and that's why you're reacting this way and if so, I am sorry for your loss. But you're misplacing the blame on OP. I'm not going to argue about this with you all day so this will be my last time commenting. If you can't see why blaming her is illogical then I don't know what to tell you.
all i'm saying is that if I were her boyfriend or girlfriend there'd be NO way i'd trust that woman again.

revealing something like this and then having people put him down for his depression.

I don't know what type of person he is, but if I were him, my love for her would die slowly and I wouldn't look at her the same way again, because my veil was lifted, and I would see that I can't even trust her with even the most sensitive subjects,

not to mention on TOP of that, she wants a "break"..

if anything, the love will die out soon enough. trust is important in any relationship and I could not trust that person the same way.

you have to feel secure and happy with someone, that means trusting all your fears and abandonment issues.


Okay so your love would die slowly. Never trust her again. That's coping.

But don't kill yourself because of it and don't threaten someone that if they leave, you will kill yourself. You're missing the point entirely.




ok, so what is she supposed to do?



you all seem to know the answers.
She's a big girl. She can make her own decisions. Unlike you, I won't judge her if she stays or if she goes. But what I WILL tell her is its not her responsibility, she is not the cause or the cure for his illness. As I said before, he doesn't need her. He needs a psychologist. She is just a crutch.

Losing people is just a part of life. Even if she stays, what would happen if she died in a car accident next week? Do you think he's going to go kill himself then?
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yeah I know...



but you can make a person's life more beautiful for as long as they stay with you (if you love them)

because you never know...we could all die by accidents (plane, car, train crashes, diseases) anything.

and yes losing people is a part of life.

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this topic has made me look up literally this.

cause some of you are really lacking in empathy. you just don't seem to give a damn about suiciders.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/good-thinking/201406/why-some-people-seem-lack-empathy



You OK? You seem distracted", asks Alice's coworker.

"Yes, I'm OK", Alice responds. "It's just that my mother is in the hospital again, and I'm not sure she's going to make it this time." Alice's voice cracks, and she reaches for a tissue to wipe her tears. When she looks up, she is surprised to find her coworker has vanished.

To make matters worse, her coworker avoids her for the rest of the day. He is even hostile when Alice asks for information she needs to complete a report.

Later that evening, her coworker sends her an email that simply says, "Sorry. Couldn't take it."

Most of us have had interactions like this that leave us scratching our heads. We can reverse the sexes in the above scenario, or have both parties be the same sex. It doesn't matter. It still surprises and chagrins us when people we consider friends—decent, kind people—seem to abandon us when we most need emotional support. They are clearly not sadists who delight in the suffering of others or psychopaths who are indifferent to it. So their behavior is perplexing.

This kind of interaction can lead to anger, judgment, and recriminations—the "you don't care about me" outrage response. But here is the problem: Both parties feel their feelings have been trampled.

The Empathy Response Can Lead to Emotional Overwhelm

Consider what happens inside us when we view the suffering of others. When we experience physical pain or emotional distress ourselves, a neural circuit becomes activated (anterior cingulate cortex—or ACC--and insula). Neuroscientific research shows this same circuit gets activated when we see others suffer pain or emotional distress. So seeing the suffering of others causes us to suffer as well.

Although this response is crucial for social interaction, it is indeed unpleasant. If that circuit is hit too frequently (excessive sharing of others' negative experiences), it can lead to emotional burnout.

And so people develop strategies for protecting themselves. Some do what Alice's coworker did—put physical and emotional distance between themselves and the suffering person. Some stay present but emotionally dissociate, which the sufferer usually experiences as emotional abandonment.

Coping with the Emotional Overwhelm of Empathy

Coping with the Emotional Overwhelm of Empathy

A crucial part of socialization is learning how to protect oneself from being overwhelmed by the suffering of others while still giving them the support they need and deserve.

Research suggests that the answer to this dilemma may be compassion training. Compassion is defined as a feeling of concern for the suffering of others (rather than experiencing distress in the face of the suffering of others.) Programs aimed at training compassion have been found to foster prosocial (helping) behavior while evoking a feeling of emotional well-being.

Recent research led by Max Planck scientist Olga Klimicki showed that compassion training actually affects which neural circuits are activated when viewing the suffering of others.
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Was he abused?
Most certainly.


Aaaaahh right....thought as much

Then he wont be able for a relationship which is healthy until he makes strides towards getting help. You can encourage him and support him on this, but you must also be mindful of your own mental health too as you could also become very drained by his stuff.......which isn't yours. I have been there more than once with men....gave it my best, but in the end each one of them chose not to move forward, so i had to

Good luck with this

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*sigh*

I'm not sure if he's serious or just being manipulative. He confuses the hell out of me. He didn't kill himself that night (I calmed him down) but I'm still scared for him. I love him so much but he's way too clingy. What do you guys think based upon his placements?

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Is his name Phillip?

I know a Gem like this
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No. Lol.

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Posted by ScorpioTruth
Since you like to do google searches, check out codependency and what that entails.

That's the word of the day.


are you sure you have water dominant??

cause my god, the things you say.

and also you are a NURSE??



I have nurses in my family and they are no way like you, talking the way you do, with lack of empathy, calling suiciders like they are the plague.

and co-dependency too.

it's just being caring, that's all.
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are these sites liars then??

when they say stuff like this on EMPATHY?

https://www.quora.com/What-do-people-who-lack-empathy-act-like

I agree with most part of James Earl Adams III's answer. People who lack empathy are normal people, they're not necessarily psychopaths or sadists but I'll even go further.

Most people lack empathy. Being able and trying to feel what someone feels, to comprehend one's behaviour, attitude and emotions is a hard process, some people could even see it as a gift. What people lack really is the simple understanding of a basic concept: cause and effect. One does someone for a reason, he acts like he does because a large set of causes has implied an even larger set of consequences, leading to a given situation.

Generally, it's easier to ignore this whole cause and effect thing, to consider that people act like they do because they are what they are. That's why most people won't try to reason about someone's behaviour because judging it only by this behaviour requires less effort. Not only less effort but it makes you feel better to just assume that someone is a douche, or is mean or whatever, that there is nothing more to it. It's also easier because you don't want to feel empathy towards someone who offended you, you want to have all the right to be offended and you want them to have all the blames.

Lack of empathy leads to judgement and self-centeredness. Obviously you can explain and possibly forgive your own behaviour because you know a part of the cause and effects that shaped you. Yet, you refuse to admit that a similar process could have existed for someone else. Of course I'm being a bit too general here, things are nuanced, the lack of empathy I'm talking about is relative. However, I remain stunned by the number of persons who really can't or -more generally- don't want to put themselves in others shoes, simply because deep down they don't really want to know.

This is where I disagree with James Earl Adams III. I don't think people who lack empathy are more rational because they are not influenced by a cute face. I strongly believe, someone with empathy is someone who can recreate the process of thinking of someone (at some level) and then explain some behaviours, this way he can go further and try to predict how someone or a group of people could act. When you have a glimpse at how you would feel and act if you were in someone's shoes, you can also try to apprehend how someone could act in the future because you tried to imagine how you would.

People who lack empathy are normal people, more than that, they're your regular people with a little bit sense of self-centeredness
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unless the OP said that her boyfriend is beating her up and abusing her and has abused animals, there is a psychological mental disorder in him, then yes I can see it leading up to it. but you are basing this on someone who has abandonment issues. not someone who went to prison that killed someone.
He has bipolar manic depression.

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if you know that, then why are you asking for space?



that definitely triggered him in some way.

these individuals would most definitely commit suicide.



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http://www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/guide/bipolar-disorder-suicide

People with bipolar disorder are at great risk for suicide if they are not getting treatment. The National Mental Health Association reports that 30% -70% of suicide victims have suffered from a form of depression. Men commit almost 75% of suicides, even though twice as many women attempt suicide.

Risk factors for suicide include:

•Having mental and substance abuse disorders

•Family history of mental or substance abuse disorders

•Having attempted suicide previously

•Having a family history of physical or sexual abuse

•Having family members or friends who have attempted suicide

•Keeping a firearm in the home

If you or someone you know is at risk for suicide -- and has shown warning signs -- do not leave them alone. Seek the help of a health care professional right away. People often talk about suicide before they attempt it, so pay close attention to what they are saying and take them seriously.

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unless the OP said that her boyfriend is beating her up and abusing her and has abused animals, there is a psychological mental disorder in him, then yes I can see it leading up to it. but you are basing this on someone who has abandonment issues. not someone who went to prison that killed someone.
He has bipolar manic depression.


if you know that, then why are you asking for space?



that definitely triggered him in some way.

these individuals would most definitely commit suicide.
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I don't know much about this illness.

When I asked him if he'd be ok, he said "how weak do you think I am"?

But we're still in contact so yeah...
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Posted by lisabethur8
unless the OP said that her boyfriend is beating her up and abusing her and has abused animals, there is a psychological mental disorder in him, then yes I can see it leading up to it. but you are basing this on someone who has abandonment issues. not someone who went to prison that killed someone.
He has bipolar manic depression.


if you know that, then why are you asking for space?



that definitely triggered him in some way.

these individuals would most definitely commit suicide.
I don't know much about this illness.

When I asked him if he'd be ok, he said "how weak do you think I am"?

But we're still in contact so yeah...
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if your beloved has manic bipolar depression, look it up and/or ask a professional.

even the sites suggest that you should NOT leave them alone.

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Posted by lisabethur8
Posted by Gooober
Posted by lisabethur8
unless the OP said that her boyfriend is beating her up and abusing her and has abused animals, there is a psychological mental disorder in him, then yes I can see it leading up to it. but you are basing this on someone who has abandonment issues. not someone who went to prison that killed someone.
He has bipolar manic depression.


if you know that, then why are you asking for space?



that definitely triggered him in some way.

these individuals would most definitely commit suicide.
I don't know much about this illness.

When I asked him if he'd be ok, he said "how weak do you think I am"?

But we're still in contact so yeah...


if your beloved has manic bipolar depression, look it up and/or ask a professional.

even the sites suggest that you should NOT leave them alone.

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Okay. Thanks.

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Posted by lisabethur8
Posted by ScorpioTruth
Since you like to do google searches, check out codependency and what that entails.

That's the word of the day.


are you sure you have water dominant??

cause my god, the things you say.

and also you are a NURSE??



I have nurses in my family and they are no way like you, talking the way you do, with lack of empathy, calling suiciders like they are the plague.

and co-dependency too.

it's just being caring, that's all.
I do have empathy, I have empathy for the OP who is unfairly being blamed for his suicidal ideations.

Just because I think that HE is the one responsible for his own life doesn't mean I lack empathy. It just means I'm realistic.

Quit trying to twist my words and manipulate what I'm saying. You're really reaching now.

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i'm not manipulating anything.

im just wondering why you chose to empathize more with the OP than the suicide victim?

it just makes me think that you distrust anyone? I still just don't get it.

I placed myself in the suicider's shoes, and I would be triggered if someone left (edit me) in this case HIM... ; I would feel abandonment issues and feel that he/she never loved me after all. I wouldn't go manic depressive on them, because I don't have that symptom but I do know people personally who have this and have heard from it from people in my family who know them too.

infact it was hard for me to sympathize with the OP because why is there any reason to leave someone, for space?? it felt like I would be grasping for straws to find any sympathy for them when they leave someone behind who told them they would commit suicide.

most people here were saying, it's a TRICK. really ..now? I don't understand it all.
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Why are you leaving him? What did he do?
That's the crazy part, I wasn't even leaving because of him nor was I leaving for good. I wanted a break to work on myself. Just didn't have the energy to invest in a relationship and I'm an all or nothing type of person.


if you want a break you are not into him.


Nope. I'm very into him. I'm just mature and selfless enough not to stay in a relationship where I'm not giving my all. People don't deserve that.




then EXPLAIN why he is threatening suicide??

only selfish peeps want to leave when there is nothing that you are going to leave from,

unless he has brutally physically abused you, or threatened to kill you,

I don't see any reason why you need to leave for breaks.


This might be an alien concept to you but there IS such a thing as being in a relationship AND having your own personal space. There are couples who are not clingy with each other and have their own activities going on.

A break/time - out happens when one partner gets too clingy and encroaches into the other's personal space. It can become very emotionally overwhelming for the other person.


??

did you forget that the guy is wanting suicide??

or did that FLY over your head cause wanting space is so much more important.
Lisa, a close Cap friend of mine took his life because of depression...and because of that, depression has always been a topic that hits close to home. He had depression for many years prior. But the one thing he would NEVER do is something like to tell a girl that he likes to date him or he will kill himself. While battling depression, he had 2 relationships. He told me ... that he wanted his girlfriend could live the life she wants. Nevermind suicide threats, I don't think either of his ex knew that he had depression at all.

I'm not even sure if the guy in question has depression or just plain manipulative. If he has depression, he needs to seek help, because even if she stayed, it doesn't solve the root problem, which is the depression itself. Even if she stayed, she cannot be around him every waking second of her life to ensure he doesn't kill himself. She needs to take care of herself too.

IMO
it probably triggered when she said she wanted space.

it will trigger a feeling of unwantedness. I don't blame the indiivudal either.

maybe the OP should get someone less emotional and who wants more space and freedom.
Perhaps.

If it's only triggered when the other party wants to leave him or wants to space, it probably has more to do with him than it has to do with her. Might also be why he's clingy, something that I don't think Gem Suns are known for.


I re-looked at his chart, and he's got cancer venus Taurus mars, trine/sextile Jupiter and lots of Capricorn planets.

but even without astrology,

he's still got bipolar depression.

go and google it, they have a lot of topics on it.

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@xXxQueenliciaXxX No, I'm not back, just desperate. I'm going to stay by his side. He apologized and said it wouldn't happen again. Even if we don't stay together as a couple, I'm going to always be in his life regardless. Thanks.

@Lunabee Yes, I love him. But it scares me. I'm going to stay with him regardless. I just want to know if he's serious.

@Tiziani Ikr :/
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it's good that you stayed with him,but he still needs help, I hope he gets it.
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Posted by FknNerd
Why are you leaving him? What did he do?
That's the crazy part, I wasn't even leaving because of him nor was I leaving for good. I wanted a break to work on myself. Just didn't have the energy to invest in a relationship and I'm an all or nothing type of person.


if you want a break you are not into him.


Nope. I'm very into him. I'm just mature and selfless enough not to stay in a relationship where I'm not giving my all. People don't deserve that.




then EXPLAIN why he is threatening suicide??

only selfish peeps want to leave when there is nothing that you are going to leave from,

unless he has brutally physically abused you, or threatened to kill you,

I don't see any reason why you need to leave for breaks.


This might be an alien concept to you but there IS such a thing as being in a relationship AND having your own personal space. There are couples who are not clingy with each other and have their own activities going on.

A break/time - out happens when one partner gets too clingy and encroaches into the other's personal space. It can become very emotionally overwhelming for the other person.


??

did you forget that the guy is wanting suicide??

or did that FLY over your head cause wanting space is so much more important.
Lisa, a close Cap friend of mine took his life because of depression...and because of that, depression has always been a topic that hits close to home. He had depression for many years prior. But the one thing he would NEVER do is something like to tell a girl that he likes to date him or he will kill himself. While battling depression, he had 2 relationships. He told me ... that he wanted his girlfriend could live the life she wants. Nevermind suicide threats, I don't think either of his ex knew that he had depression at all.

I'm not even sure if the guy in question has depression or just plain manipulative. If he has depression, he needs to seek help, because even if she stayed, it doesn't solve the root problem, which is the depression itself. Even if she stayed, she cannot be around him every waking second of her life to ensure he doesn't kill himself. She needs to take care of herself too.

IMO
it probably triggered when she said she wanted space.

it will trigger a feeling of unwantedness. I don't blame the indiivudal either.

maybe the OP should get someone less emotional and who wants more space and freedom.
Perhaps.

If it's only triggered when the other party wants to leave him or wants to space, it probably has more to do with him than it has to do with her. Might also be why he's clingy, something that I don't think Gem Suns are known for.


I re-looked at his chart, and he's got cancer venus Taurus mars, trine/sextile Jupiter and lots of Capricorn planets.

but even without astrology,

he's still got bipolar depression.

go and google it, they have a lot of topics on it.

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@xXxQueenliciaXxX No, I'm not back, just desperate. I'm going to stay by his side. He apologized and said it wouldn't happen again. Even if we don't stay together as a couple, I'm going to always be in his life regardless. Thanks.

@Lunabee Yes, I love him. But it scares me. I'm going to stay with him regardless. I just want to know if he's serious.

@Tiziani Ikr :/


it's good that you stayed with him,but he still needs help, I hope he gets it.


Depression isn't sign or placement specific, so I never ruled out the possibility of him having depression. But based on his actions, I'm less inclined to believe it.
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OP said he has depression.
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Tell him to do it! I'm not falling for your emotional rants. I'll care but don't suck me in! Ur gonna kills yourself n front of me fuck up my life!!! Dxck that guy he's an axxhole
if this topic was a joke after all.

then I got too serious. -_-
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Have you ever lived with or been close to someone with bipolar manic depression or even BPD?