
Tried my eyes today with someone who i believe can hold eye contact and i was wrong she cant hold my gaze longer than i can she keeps on looking in the other direction,love how she squirms under my gaze,i think im going to keep doing this ?



Posted by CopperDoveOops, that came out the wrong way... I had something else in my mind - while reading your last reply about deranged looking vampires ( : starting with that image of Nicholas Cage), but apparently - i didn't convey my thoughts properly - cause it was suppose to be a humorist remark... and it came out half-backed (was funny only to me - while being aware those unexpressed thoughts). ?Posted by nevesYes, we so often are misunderstood.Posted by CopperDoveI know. Since all of us vampires - are depicted as looking deranged in some way. ^^
@neves LOL! Thanks for that! He looks like a deranged vampire -- okay, I guess most vampires are depicted as looking deranged in some way, but hopefully you know what I mean. lol
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Posted by raad182I pretty much avoid any eye contact tbh. If I'm making an eye contact, it sure is unintended. But yeah I've had people telling me to stop giving "The look"
Scorpio sun - Sociopath eyes, they make heavy eye contact.
Scorpio moon - Penetrating eyes, will make you feel undressed.
Scorpio rising - Like a mix of the two above but in a lighter way.

Posted by Aquarius3189nice??
Tried my eyes today with someone who i believe can hold eye contact and i was wrong she cant hold my gaze longer than i can she keeps on looking in the other direction,love how she squirms under my gaze,i think im going to keep doing this ?

Posted by raad182What do you mean real deal lol
Scorpio moon is the real deal

Posted by pisces4scorpiogood explanation
Scorpio Sun / Scorpio Moon / Scorpio Midhaven: Eyes that hypnotize during sex - and result in a visual shapeshifting of his appearance
Scorpio Sun / Scorpio Mars / Scorpio Midhaven: Eyes that flash like lightening during sex and smolder on the regular
Scorpio Sun / Scorpio Mars / Scorpio Venus: Eyes that dance with life and energy when engaged in conversation

Posted by nevesMy comment about being misunderstood was me replying to you vampire to vampire -- so I think I understood your meaning with 'us vampires.' If I'm wrong, and you aren't a vampire like me, I apologize. 😉Posted by CopperDoveOops, that came out the wrong way... I had something else in my mind - while reading your last reply about deranged looking vampires ( : starting with that image of Nicholas Cage), but apparently - i didn't convey my thoughts properly - cause it was suppose to be a humorist remark... and it came out half-backed (was funny only to me - while being aware those unexpressed thoughts). ?Posted by nevesYes, we so often are misunderstood.Posted by CopperDoveI know. Since all of us vampires - are depicted as looking deranged in some way. ^^
@neves LOL! Thanks for that! He looks like a deranged vampire -- okay, I guess most vampires are depicted as looking deranged in some way, but hopefully you know what I mean. lol
I know what you mean ofc... the thing is - real understanding comes from actual experience (our human condition or even something that goes further than that...). Empathy can help as well and same goes for the mirror neurons, but... if you mix that with fantasy (the stuff we see in the media: books, movies, music videos and so on...) and if one is exposed to unrealistic content for to long, that... can actually alter ones sense of reality - which in turn can lead to deep seeded disappointments (unreal expectations, unhealthy narcissistic tendencies, depression, insecurities, anxieties and so on... ) - while dealing with the physical world (the actual events). Other than that...we all live in the same external world but we experience it differently - as defined by our individuality (our inner world and - the understanding we have of both worlds)
That being said... it's quite normal - to be misunderstood by people who never walked on a similar path - or by people who weren't whiling to dive so deep (maybe they didn't have what it takes - we're all both limited and gifted in one way or another...). The dive changes people - it changes everything.
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Posted by CopperDoveI'm a day-walker (one who walks in both worlds)! ^^Posted by nevesMy comment about being misunderstood was me replying to you vampire to vampire -- so I think I understood your meaning with 'us vampires.' If I'm wrong, and you aren't a vampire like me, I apologize. 😉Posted by CopperDoveOops, that came out the wrong way... I had something else in my mind - while reading your last reply about deranged looking vampires ( : starting with that image of Nicholas Cage), but apparently - i didn't convey my thoughts properly - cause it was suppose to be a humorist remark... and it came out half-backed (was funny only to me - while being aware those unexpressed thoughts). ?Posted by nevesYes, we so often are misunderstood.Posted by CopperDoveI know. Since all of us vampires - are depicted as looking deranged in some way. ^^
@neves LOL! Thanks for that! He looks like a deranged vampire -- okay, I guess most vampires are depicted as looking deranged in some way, but hopefully you know what I mean. lol
I know what you mean ofc... the thing is - real understanding comes from actual experience (our human condition or even something that goes further than that...). Empathy can help as well and same goes for the mirror neurons, but... if you mix that with fantasy (the stuff we see in the media: books, movies, music videos and so on...) and if one is exposed to unrealistic content for to long, that... can actually alter ones sense of reality - which in turn can lead to deep seeded disappointments (unreal expectations, unhealthy narcissistic tendencies, depression, insecurities, anxieties and so on... ) - while dealing with the physical world (the actual events). Other than that...we all live in the same external world but we experience it differently - as defined by our individuality (our inner world and - the understanding we have of both worlds)
That being said... it's quite normal - to be misunderstood by people who never walked on a similar path - or by people who weren't whiling to dive so deep (maybe they didn't have what it takes - we're all both limited and gifted in one way or another...). The dive changes people - it changes everything.
But I agree with what you wrote about the problem about being misunderstood, and the effect of unrealistic content. It can take a lot to break free of expectations if a person mostly is exposed to unrealistic content, I think.
As a minor example, my expectations about what high school would be like, before I was old enough to attend high school, were largely coloured by what I had seen on TV. I watched many shows from before my time, like The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis, and also Happy Days which was current at the time, but set in the 50s. My mother was a teenager in the mid to late 50s, so her stories about her experiences were coloured by that era too. That lead to disappointment, initially, when I was old enough to attend high school - it was very different than what I expected - not like the 50s.. I recovered quickly, but I can only imagine what it would be like if someone was even more influenced by something that differed from reality, or at least current reality, for a longer period.click to expand

Posted by nevesI'm a day-walker too, night owl version. 🙂Posted by CopperDoveI'm a day-walker (one who walks in both worlds)! ^^Posted by nevesMy comment about being misunderstood was me replying to you vampire to vampire -- so I think I understood your meaning with 'us vampires.' If I'm wrong, and you aren't a vampire like me, I apologize. 😉Posted by CopperDoveOops, that came out the wrong way... I had something else in my mind - while reading your last reply about deranged looking vampires ( : starting with that image of Nicholas Cage), but apparently - i didn't convey my thoughts properly - cause it was suppose to be a humorist remark... and it came out half-backed (was funny only to me - while being aware those unexpressed thoughts). ?Posted by nevesYes, we so often are misunderstood.Posted by CopperDoveI know. Since all of us vampires - are depicted as looking deranged in some way. ^^
@neves LOL! Thanks for that! He looks like a deranged vampire -- okay, I guess most vampires are depicted as looking deranged in some way, but hopefully you know what I mean. lol
I know what you mean ofc... the thing is - real understanding comes from actual experience (our human condition or even something that goes further than that...). Empathy can help as well and same goes for the mirror neurons, but... if you mix that with fantasy (the stuff we see in the media: books, movies, music videos and so on...) and if one is exposed to unrealistic content for to long, that... can actually alter ones sense of reality - which in turn can lead to deep seeded disappointments (unreal expectations, unhealthy narcissistic tendencies, depression, insecurities, anxieties and so on... ) - while dealing with the physical world (the actual events). Other than that...we all live in the same external world but we experience it differently - as defined by our individuality (our inner world and - the understanding we have of both worlds)
That being said... it's quite normal - to be misunderstood by people who never walked on a similar path - or by people who weren't whiling to dive so deep (maybe they didn't have what it takes - we're all both limited and gifted in one way or another...). The dive changes people - it changes everything.
But I agree with what you wrote about the problem about being misunderstood, and the effect of unrealistic content. It can take a lot to break free of expectations if a person mostly is exposed to unrealistic content, I think.
As a minor example, my expectations about what high school would be like, before I was old enough to attend high school, were largely coloured by what I had seen on TV. I watched many shows from before my time, like The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis, and also Happy Days which was current at the time, but set in the 50s. My mother was a teenager in the mid to late 50s, so her stories about her experiences were coloured by that era too. That lead to disappointment, initially, when I was old enough to attend high school - it was very different than what I expected - not like the 50s.. I recovered quickly, but I can only imagine what it would be like if someone was even more influenced by something that differed from reality, or at least current reality, for a longer period.
Even this "breaking free of expectations" - is another misconception (imo). I mean, i understand where that's coming from and i used to believe the same - cause yeah, when you bond with someone accidentally - you can have a better time - simply because there were no expectations to begin with. But the next time around, you're sure to have some expectations - both from yourself and the other party, even if it's just minor or practical ones (to make it on time - to have a good time) - in case you're the carefree type. ^^ Modern humans are creatures of habit and expectations are part of our everyday life - it's what brings some order in our life (doing something while expecting a positive outcome - though, if it's a new activity - there's also the expectation for some things to go wrong). There's even a positive side to expectations: it's what can help us to be more prepared/cautious (for example: if you're not that experienced at something - like cooking a new recipe - you don't make that the main dish for an important event - or if you're the daring type - you get more ingredients - just in case something goes wrong). Thus, an expectation (anticipation) - can actually increase one's chances of having a good day (one can be less affected by an event - if even the worst). That being said, expectations are not the issue, but... having unrealistic expectations (from which disappointments - are sure to arise).
If you don't have any expectations whatsoever - that mean you simply don't care - about anything. That's why - living a life with no expectation - is tied to spirituality, somehow similar - to having no attachments. And yes, it does make sense in a spiritual context - if you're to live a spiritual life - like a real Buddha:
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/08/07/buddha-boy-goes-10-months-without-food-or-water-scientific-community-is-baffled/
But i don't see how that could be possible - while being parts of a modern society. Even a homeless beggar has some exception and attachments.
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Posted by CopperDoveYes, i know. To a large extent - the subconscious mind works with patterns - like a recorder that's capable of repeating every new learned pattern. It's our primitive side (so called reptilian) - and yet it controls most of our actions on a daily basis (depending on a given learned pattern), while in the same time - it's also responsible of all the internal functions of our body. It's more like a supercomputer - which covers around 90% of the human brain, while the evolved side - the conscious mind - is comprised of the remaining 10% (less or more). There used to be a saying in the past - where we as humans - were suppose to use only 5% of our brain, while latter - with the advancement of neuroscience - and advanced equipments like an MRI (which can measure the brain's activity) - this saying became a Myth. Well, it's true that we use most of it - but in a way - that so called myth wasn't that far from reality - since we're rarely that conscious (usually when we learn something new - when we dabble with a new experience). We live our life as defined by a given input - by those given patterns (what we practiced). One could say (more accurately - i suppose) - we're both what we eat and what we practiced (or we reap what we sow). It's also worth to be added that - our subconscious mind can override the conscious mind (can take over) - which is more apparent when we feel threatened in some way, thus - to be more conscious one also needs some level of comfort. And that's where the practice of meditation - can come handy - in maintaining a conscious state - for a longer period of time (which in turn can help one become more enlightened... it can speed-up the process - kinda like using a lamp to read some more - even during night time / then again, that would be a double-edged sword - cause sleep is very important to maintain a healthy brain). Anyway, and also bottom line - "that learned helplessness" - is simply a pattern adopted by the subconscious mind - one which can be unlearned - by adopting a new pattern (by practicing and healthier way of living and repeating that enough through practice - till it records as a new and active pattern).Posted by nevesI'm a day-walker too, night owl version. 🙂Posted by CopperDoveI'm a day-walker (one who walks in both worlds)! ^^Posted by nevesMy comment about being misunderstood was me replying to you vampire to vampire -- so I think I understood your meaning with 'us vampires.' If I'm wrong, and you aren't a vampire like me, I apologize. 😉Posted by CopperDoveOops, that came out the wrong way... I had something else in my mind - while reading your last reply about deranged looking vampires ( : starting with that image of Nicholas Cage), but apparently - i didn't convey my thoughts properly - cause it was suppose to be a humorist remark... and it came out half-backed (was funny only to me - while being aware those unexpressed thoughts). ?Posted by nevesYes, we so often are misunderstood.Posted by CopperDoveI know. Since all of us vampires - are depicted as looking deranged in some way. ^^
@neves LOL! Thanks for that! He looks like a deranged vampire -- okay, I guess most vampires are depicted as looking deranged in some way, but hopefully you know what I mean. lol
I know what you mean ofc... the thing is - real understanding comes from actual experience (our human condition or even something that goes further than that...). Empathy can help as well and same goes for the mirror neurons, but... if you mix that with fantasy (the stuff we see in the media: books, movies, music videos and so on...) and if one is exposed to unrealistic content for to long, that... can actually alter ones sense of reality - which in turn can lead to deep seeded disappointments (unreal expectations, unhealthy narcissistic tendencies, depression, insecurities, anxieties and so on... ) - while dealing with the physical world (the actual events). Other than that...we all live in the same external world but we experience it differently - as defined by our individuality (our inner world and - the understanding we have of both worlds)
That being said... it's quite normal - to be misunderstood by people who never walked on a similar path - or by people who weren't whiling to dive so deep (maybe they didn't have what it takes - we're all both limited and gifted in one way or another...). The dive changes people - it changes everything.
But I agree with what you wrote about the problem about being misunderstood, and the effect of unrealistic content. It can take a lot to break free of expectations if a person mostly is exposed to unrealistic content, I think.
As a minor example, my expectations about what high school would be like, before I was old enough to attend high school, were largely coloured by what I had seen on TV. I watched many shows from before my time, like The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis, and also Happy Days which was current at the time, but set in the 50s. My mother was a teenager in the mid to late 50s, so her stories about her experiences were coloured by that era too. That lead to disappointment, initially, when I was old enough to attend high school - it was very different than what I expected - not like the 50s.. I recovered quickly, but I can only imagine what it would be like if someone was even more influenced by something that differed from reality, or at least current reality, for a longer period.
Even this "breaking free of expectations" - is another misconception (imo). I mean, i understand where that's coming from and i used to believe the same - cause yeah, when you bond with someone accidentally - you can have a better time - simply because there were no expectations to begin with. But the next time around, you're sure to have some expectations - both from yourself and the other party, even if it's just minor or practical ones (to make it on time - to have a good time) - in case you're the carefree type. ^^ Modern humans are creatures of habit and expectations are part of our everyday life - it's what brings some order in our life (doing something while expecting a positive outcome - though, if it's a new activity - there's also the expectation for some things to go wrong). There's even a positive side to expectations: it's what can help us to be more prepared/cautious (for example: if you're not that experienced at something - like cooking a new recipe - you don't make that the main dish for an important event - or if you're the daring type - you get more ingredients - just in case something goes wrong). Thus, an expectation (anticipation) - can actually increase one's chances of having a good day (one can be less affected by an event - if even the worst). That being said, expectations are not the issue, but... having unrealistic expectations (from which disappointments - are sure to arise).
If you don't have any expectations whatsoever - that mean you simply don't care - about anything. That's why - living a life with no expectation - is tied to spirituality, somehow similar - to having no attachments. And yes, it does make sense in a spiritual context - if you're to live a spiritual life - like a real Buddha:
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/08/07/buddha-boy-goes-10-months-without-food-or-water-scientific-community-is-baffled/
But i don't see how that could be possible - while being parts of a modern society. Even a homeless beggar has some exception and attachments.
You're right - expectations can have a positive purpose/result as you described, whereas unrealistic expectations set a person up for being let down. I can see a link to learned helplessness too, if a person was exposed to adverse conditions continually so they're eventually conditioned to think there is no control that they have over anything, so they shut down in various ways .
It makes sense to me that people who want to lead a life that is the most free of attachment live outside of society, often hermit-like.
The Buddha boy is interesting. A while ago I was reading about "fasting girls" - Victorian girls, usually pre-adolescent, who claimed that they didn't eat yet they survived for long periods of time. Some were debunked, but one of the most famous - Mary J. "Mollie" Fancher - remains a mystery.
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Posted by nevesThat's a great summary -- I've looked into this and related things as well. 🙂 I've explored altering patterns with meditation, hypnotherapy, cognitive therapy, dream analysis, dietary changes, environment changes, among other things. My mother was interested in Carl Jung's work starting when I was a teenager, and later she became a Jungian analyst. I've discussed the subconscious mind with her from the Jungian standpoint and I've found it helpful at times.Posted by CopperDoveYes, i know. To a large extent - the subconscious mind works with pasterns - like a recorder that's capable of repeating every new learn pattern. It's our primitive side (so called reptilian) - and yet it controls most of our actions on a daily basis (depending on a given learned pattern), while in the same time - it's also responsible of all the internal functions of our body. It's more like a supercomputer - which covers around 90% of the human brain, while the evolved side - the conscious mind - is comprised of the remaining 10% (less or more). There used to be a saying in the past - where we as humans - were suppose to use only 5% of our brain, while latter - with the advancement of neuroscience - and advanced equipments like an MRI (which can measure the brain's activity) - this saying became a Myth. Well, it's true that we use most of it - but in a way - that so called myth wasn't that far from reality - since we're rarely that conscious (usually when we learn something new - when we dabble with a new experience). We live our life as defined by a given input - by those given patterns (what we practiced). One could say (more accurately - i suppose) - we're both what we eat and what we practiced (or we reap what we sow). It's also worth to be added that - our subconscious mind can override the conscious mind (can take over) - which is more apparent when we feel threatened in some way, thus - to be more conscious one also needs some level of comfort. And that's where the practice of meditation - can come handy - in maintaining a conscious state - for a longer period of time (which in turn can help one become more enlightened... it can speed-up the process - kinda like using a lamp to read some more - even during night time / then again, that would be a double-edged sword - cause sleep is very important to maintain a healthy brain). Anyway, and also bottom line - "that learned helplessness" - is simply a pattern adopted by the subconscious mind - one which can be unlearned - by adopting a new pattern (by practicing and healthier way of living and repeating that enough through practice - till it records as a new and active pattern).Posted by nevesI'm a day-walker too, night owl version. 🙂Posted by CopperDoveI'm a day-walker (one who walks in both worlds)! ^^Posted by nevesMy comment about being misunderstood was me replying to you vampire to vampire -- so I think I understood your meaning with 'us vampires.' If I'm wrong, and you aren't a vampire like me, I apologize. 😉Posted by CopperDoveOops, that came out the wrong way... I had something else in my mind - while reading your last reply about deranged looking vampires ( : starting with that image of Nicholas Cage), but apparently - i didn't convey my thoughts properly - cause it was suppose to be a humorist remark... and it came out half-backed (was funny only to me - while being aware those unexpressed thoughts). ?Posted by nevesYes, we so often are misunderstood.Posted by CopperDoveI know. Since all of us vampires - are depicted as looking deranged in some way. ^^
@neves LOL! Thanks for that! He looks like a deranged vampire -- okay, I guess most vampires are depicted as looking deranged in some way, but hopefully you know what I mean. lol
I know what you mean ofc... the thing is - real understanding comes from actual experience (our human condition or even something that goes further than that...). Empathy can help as well and same goes for the mirror neurons, but... if you mix that with fantasy (the stuff we see in the media: books, movies, music videos and so on...) and if one is exposed to unrealistic content for to long, that... can actually alter ones sense of reality - which in turn can lead to deep seeded disappointments (unreal expectations, unhealthy narcissistic tendencies, depression, insecurities, anxieties and so on... ) - while dealing with the physical world (the actual events). Other than that...we all live in the same external world but we experience it differently - as defined by our individuality (our inner world and - the understanding we have of both worlds)
That being said... it's quite normal - to be misunderstood by people who never walked on a similar path - or by people who weren't whiling to dive so deep (maybe they didn't have what it takes - we're all both limited and gifted in one way or another...). The dive changes people - it changes everything.
But I agree with what you wrote about the problem about being misunderstood, and the effect of unrealistic content. It can take a lot to break free of expectations if a person mostly is exposed to unrealistic content, I think.
As a minor example, my expectations about what high school would be like, before I was old enough to attend high school, were largely coloured by what I had seen on TV. I watched many shows from before my time, like The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis, and also Happy Days which was current at the time, but set in the 50s. My mother was a teenager in the mid to late 50s, so her stories about her experiences were coloured by that era too. That lead to disappointment, initially, when I was old enough to attend high school - it was very different than what I expected - not like the 50s.. I recovered quickly, but I can only imagine what it would be like if someone was even more influenced by something that differed from reality, or at least current reality, for a longer period.
Even this "breaking free of expectations" - is another misconception (imo). I mean, i understand where that's coming from and i used to believe the same - cause yeah, when you bond with someone accidentally - you can have a better time - simply because there were no expectations to begin with. But the next time around, you're sure to have some expectations - both from yourself and the other party, even if it's just minor or practical ones (to make it on time - to have a good time) - in case you're the carefree type. ^^ Modern humans are creatures of habit and expectations are part of our everyday life - it's what brings some order in our life (doing something while expecting a positive outcome - though, if it's a new activity - there's also the expectation for some things to go wrong). There's even a positive side to expectations: it's what can help us to be more prepared/cautious (for example: if you're not that experienced at something - like cooking a new recipe - you don't make that the main dish for an important event - or if you're the daring type - you get more ingredients - just in case something goes wrong). Thus, an expectation (anticipation) - can actually increase one's chances of having a good day (one can be less affected by an event - if even the worst). That being said, expectations are not the issue, but... having unrealistic expectations (from which disappointments - are sure to arise).
If you don't have any expectations whatsoever - that mean you simply don't care - about anything. That's why - living a life with no expectation - is tied to spirituality, somehow similar - to having no attachments. And yes, it does make sense in a spiritual context - if you're to live a spiritual life - like a real Buddha:
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/08/07/buddha-boy-goes-10-months-without-food-or-water-scientific-community-is-baffled/
But i don't see how that could be possible - while being parts of a modern society. Even a homeless beggar has some exception and attachments.
You're right - expectations can have a positive purpose/result as you described, whereas unrealistic expectations set a person up for being let down. I can see a link to learned helplessness too, if a person was exposed to adverse conditions continually so they're eventually conditioned to think there is no control that they have over anything, so they shut down in various ways .
It makes sense to me that people who want to lead a life that is the most free of attachment live outside of society, often hermit-like.
The Buddha boy is interesting. A while ago I was reading about "fasting girls" - Victorian girls, usually pre-adolescent, who claimed that they didn't eat yet they survived for long periods of time. Some were debunked, but one of the most famous - Mary J. "Mollie" Fancher - remains a mystery.
If a man can live while weighting over 400 kg - i don't see why the other extreme wouldn't be possible. ^^
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Posted by RumiLtnx?very good answer
I guess scorpio rising would look most like scorpio...?
Depends a lot on aspects though. Say, a scorpio rising has pluto conjunct their asc, they will look like a total typical scorpio.
Say they have scorpio rising conjunct moon... they will have a softer look.. and so on..
...same with Scorpio moons... depends on their rising sign and the aspects..
and scorpio suns, venus, merc, mars...
it's all a combination of all aspects, placements, etc in one's chart I think :-)


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