Suicide (Page 3)

If anything, this thread shows --people who tried to commit suicide and failed, regretted it and happy they are still alive.

Interesting.

Posted by P-Angel

Posted by lisabethur8

Marilyn Monroe had everything but she was still unhappy.

You have the triggering mindset of which I was explaining.

In your mind, she had everything .. so that means, according to you, she should have enough to appreciate to be happy.

You fail to recognize that there was something making her unhappy ... and you only reference what she did have.

Same principal.

If a person is lacking, and this lacking is enough to make them suicidal .. then reminding them of what they do have, and how it should make them want to live ..... reminds them of how fucked up they are ... and it triggers them to jump.

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it's a very general mindset of the collective. from what they see "outside" but when they get inside it's a whole different story.

this question is even asked in this lounge forum and close to 100 replies were all different, one said, she was the Lindsay lohan of this era.



https://www.datalounge.com/thread/12902853

Posted by P-Angel
If you make a person feel small ... then they will rise up

If you make a small person feel envious, and more neglected by not having what you have .. then they'll jump

psychology 101 ... seriously people, do you have any emotional intelligence at all?

1. I didn't really understand your reply to my post, in which you quoted certain lines.

2. With your reference to Psychology 101 - I trust you are actually in the field of psychology before you can make such BOLD statements.

However.....



"Psychology 101 and suicide

The following comes from an article about factors in suicide printed in the journal - Australian Institute of Criminology. It cites various research findings

Locality. For much of this century suicide rates have been higher in Australian cities than in rural areas.

Media. The average daily rate of suicide in Australia increases significantly after the publication of suicide stories in the Australian media.

Economic Cycles. In this century suicide trends in Australia show a strong correlation

between unemployment and the suicide rate.

Occupation. The general pattern in Australia is that those in unskilled and semi-skilled blue-collar occupations which are characterised by low job autonomy, greater external supervision, less on-the-job training, poorer promotional possibilities, lower wage levels and greater sensitivity to market forces tend to have high suicide rates.

Migration and Ethnicity. The suicide rate of overseas-born is significantly higher than Australian born and among the immigrant groups from different countries suicide rates also vary considerably.

Temporal Variation. The incidence of suicide appears to follow a distinct weekly cycle. Monday tends to have the highest average daily suicide followed by Tuesday, and Saturday has the lowest average.

The six factors listed above are all correlations, none of them are statements about cause and effect. Most suicides occur on a Monday. This is a statement of correlation and one must never, I was told in psychology 101, assume this means Mondays for some reason cause people to suicide. That would be a statement of cause and effect.

Media reports on suicide correlate with an increase in the suicide rate. This is not saying that media reports cause people to be suicidal. Again one differentiates between correlation and cause and effect. Unfortunately in the area of suicide people often mix up correlation with cause and effect. This is commonly done when depression is discussed. One often hears comments like depression causes suicide.

Depression has never caused suicide. We are cited statistics like 5% to 10% of people with major depression will die by suicide. Major depression is the worst kind of depression where the person is really, really depressed.

However, and this is major problem in the literature on suicide, these statistics also tell us that 90% to 95% of people with major depression do not die from suicide. If depression caused suicide how come the vast majority of people who are the most severely depressed never kill themselves in suicide.

Some people with depression suicide and some do not. In the vast majority of the literature you never get this explained. They can’t explain it because they mix up cause and effect with correlation. However in my book - Working with suicidal individuals - I provide a clear explanation for it, which I discuss at length. A suicidal person is one who has made the suicide decision early in life. Some people make such a decision and some do not.

This is now a statement about cause and effect. What causes people to be suicidal is they have made one of the seven possible suicide decisions. What depression, media reports, Mondays, stress and so forth do do, is make an already suicidal person more likely to act on the suicidal urges. Thus one can say depression has never made anyone suicidal. If someone has not made the early suicide decision then no matter how depressed they get they will not suicide."

http://graffiti99.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/psychology-101-and-suicide.html

Posted by Queenofthepheasantfairies

1. I didn't really understand your reply to my post, in which you quoted certain lines.

Of course, you didn't.

If you were capable of understanding the implication, then you would have done so BEFORE speaking out in such a manner as to insinuate that your view is the only acceptable one.

Posted by P-Angel

Posted by Queenofthepheasantfairies

1. I didn't really understand your reply to my post, in which you quoted certain lines.

Of course, you didn't.

If you were capable of understanding the implication, then you would have done so BEFORE speaking out in such a manner as to insinuate that your view is the only acceptable one.

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LOL.... Ok then. Do you understand the meaning of "point of view" or an "opinion" matter of fact?

point of view: a particular attitude or way of considering a matter - the narrator's position in relation to a story being told.

opinion: a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

My point of view was that in my opinion you most certainly cannot stereotype suicide by astrological sign. I even gave examples. It's acceptable to me, you however can believe and form your own opinion as you wish. --- Psychology 101!

"To smart for stupid people, too stupid for smart people"

Posted by Flawed_lines
Nobody complains about the astrology and crime section.

I have mars square Pluto in my chart. If you go by some astrologers correlation between hard aspects of Mars and Pluto and the capacity for violence from people who have this placement "statistically" I should be stalking the evening nights.... killing cats.

Posted by Queenofthepheasantfairies

My point of view was that in my opinion you most certainly cannot stereotype suicide by astrological sign.

My comment to you had nothing to do with your point of view on suicide, and astrology.

Again ... if you were capable of understanding then you would have already.

But, you don't, so your only recourse is to pretend that I was referencing your POV.



You're more than welcome to come back to continue ignoring the point ,,,,, heaven forbid that you actually attempt to reason out the actual meaning of my comments because that would dictate that you first realize you might be in error, and certainly, your tremendous ego would never allow such a thing.

this thread keeps going and going and going

Posted by Hare

Posted by Scrumptious
this thread keeps going and going and going

I have a bag of Twix today.

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Very nice, i could go for some twix

I ran out of raisinets last night. i have to go pick up some more

Posted by Shadowcat

Posted by P-Angel
If you make a person feel small ... then they will rise up



If you make a small person feel envious, and more neglected by not having what you have .. then they'll jump



psychology 101 ... seriously people, do you have any emotional intelligence at all?

Are you trying to imply that people grow from your abuse?

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Drag that shit into the light where it belongs!



♡

@shadowcat

It(her statement) really caught my eye because I've never really understood her approach to giving 'advice'. It made me wonder if that was what she believed she was doing 😐

I thought it was rhetorical.

Either way, it was spot on.

Posted by Queenofthepheasantfairies

Posted by P-Angel
If you make a person feel small ... then they will rise up

If you make a small person feel envious, and more neglected by not having what you have .. then they'll jump

psychology 101 ... seriously people, do you have any emotional intelligence at all?

1. I didn't really understand your reply to my post, in which you quoted certain lines.

2. With your reference to Psychology 101 - I trust you are actually in the field of psychology before you can make such BOLD statements.

However.....



"Psychology 101 and suicide

The following comes from an article about factors in suicide printed in the journal - Australian Institute of Criminology. It cites various research findings

Locality. For much of this century suicide rates have been higher in Australian cities than in rural areas.

Media. The average daily rate of suicide in Australia increases significantly after the publication of suicide stories in the Australian media.

Economic Cycles. In this century suicide trends in Australia show a strong correlation

between unemployment and the suicide rate.

Occupation. The general pattern in Australia is that those in unskilled and semi-skilled blue-collar occupations which are characterised by low job autonomy, greater external supervision, less on-the-job training, poorer promotional possibilities, lower wage levels and greater sensitivity to market forces tend to have high suicide rates.

Migration and Ethnicity. The suicide rate of overseas-born is significantly higher than Australian born and among the immigrant groups from different countries suicide rates also vary considerably.

Temporal Variation. The incidence of suicide appears to follow a distinct weekly cycle. Monday tends to have the highest average daily suicide followed by Tuesday, and Saturday has the lowest average.

The six factors listed above are all correlations, none of them are statements about cause and effect. Most suicides occur on a Monday. This is a statement of correlation and one must never, I was told in psychology 101, assume this means Mondays for some reason cause people to suicide. That would be a statement of cause and effect.

Media reports on suicide correlate with an increase in the suicide rate. This is not saying that media reports cause people to be suicidal. Again one differentiates between correlation and cause and effect. Unfortunately in the area of suicide people often mix up correlation with cause and effect. This is commonly done when depression is discussed. One often hears comments like depression causes suicide.

Depression has never caused suicide. We are cited statistics like 5% to 10% of people with major depression will die by suicide. Major depression is the worst kind of depression where the person is really, really depressed.

However, and this is major problem in the literature on suicide, these statistics also tell us that 90% to 95% of people with major depression do not die from suicide. If depression caused suicide how come the vast majority of people who are the most severely depressed never kill themselves in suicide.

Some people with depression suicide and some do not. In the vast majority of the literature you never get this explained. They can’t explain it because they mix up cause and effect with correlation. However in my book - Working with suicidal individuals - I provide a clear explanation for it, which I discuss at length. A suicidal person is one who has made the suicide decision early in life. Some people make such a decision and some do not.

This is now a statement about cause and effect. What causes people to be suicidal is they have made one of the seven possible suicide decisions. What depression, media reports, Mondays, stress and so forth do do, is make an already suicidal person more likely to act on the suicidal urges. Thus one can say depression has never made anyone suicidal. If someone has not made the early suicide decision then no matter how depressed they get they will not suicide."

http://graffiti99.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/psychology-101-and-suicide.html

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wow I agree on economic hardship. when individuals have lost everything -- job, home, wife., children, they go postal or kill themselves.

Most people die around their birthdays.

Suicides peak around the xmas.

So in North America, Cappies.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Posted by Nevermore

Posted by EnochtheWise

Posted by Alpha
No offense to OP but I find this thread absolutely ridiculous.

Did someone said Pie?

Oh wait, it's a cake. Whoops.

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omg stop STAHHHP with the delicious cakes...u making me hungry! 😛

Ahh yes the Good Ol' Days

Posted by aquapiscescusp
If anything, this thread shows --people who tried to commit suicide and failed, regretted it and happy they are still alive.

Interesting.

I stand by this 😄

Posted by aquapiscescusp

Posted by aquapiscescusp
If anything, this thread shows --people who tried to commit suicide and failed, regretted it and happy they are still alive.

Interesting.

I stand by this 😄

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U.S. Suicide Rate Surges to a 30-Year High

By SABRINA TAVERNISE

April 22, 2016

WASHINGTON — Suicide in the United States has surged to the highest levels in nearly 30 years, a federal data analysis has found, with increases in every age group except older adults. The rise was particularly steep for women. It was also substantial among middle-aged Americans, sending a signal of deep anguish from a group whose suicide rates had been stable or falling since the 1950s

https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/health/us-suicide-rate-surges-to-a-30-year-high.amp.html% 3F0p19G% 3De

Apparently people are becoming a lot more successful at it

I have spoken suicide with three people (not all at the same time, of course): All were men; they were cancer, Aries, and Capricorn.