True but we are talking about that last pie, the last pie to spontaneously choke on, therefore it better be Black Cherry else I would be down right pissed.
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Posted by feby(((hugs)))
Like when I think of people who suffer, who are disillusioned or so sad with grief or loss.....the terrible ways people die, children and animals in pain. Yeah I don't think I'm helping this thread sorry
Posted by HarePosted by TheLadyScorpio
After reading this thread, I find it amusing that Stingers are the ones that are stereotyped as being the inquisitorial squad because evidence shows otherwise. We hardly fit the bill as compared to others. 😆
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There is simply nothing which could top Monty Python but this was a lot of fun nonetheless. 😆
Posted by MontgomeryI'll actually expand on this when I'll have time. I'm curious too.Posted by SoulWe are.
Who's to say we aren't all sinning to death by living? Everyone is just chilling as an immortal spirit and a few crazy fuckers decide to become living mortals.
So is it just Earth suns with the highest suicide rate, or does
it pertain to other placements too, I wonder.
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Earth suns made sense to me which is why it's so weird what you can find in not that large of a sample.
Forgot to add that about 30% of these people were born on cusps. A lot of 20th - 23rd birthdays.
Posted by Hare
True story...our last day in Key Largo this winter was the start of the Stone Crab Festival. There was a Key Lime Pie eating contest that evening and the Virgo was literally trying to figure out a way to reschedule our flight so she could enter me into the contest because she was positive I could win in handily.
Haha, I bet she would have had a kick out of it, to see you win. She did good, especially to have made such a great decision.
Rabbit = Winner of the Key Lime Pie Eating Contest
I would attend just to see that title fulfilled.
Posted by HarePosted by TheLadyScorpioI'd pay for a seat on that Southwest jet just to put my trophy in.Posted by Hare
True story...our last day in Key Largo this winter was the start of the Stone Crab Festival. There was a Key Lime Pie eating contest that evening and the Virgo was literally trying to figure out a way to reschedule our flight so she could enter me into the contest because she was positive I could win in handily.
Haha, I bet she would have had a kick out of it, to see you win. She did good, especially to have made such a great decision.
Rabbit = Winner of the Key Lime Pie Eating Contest
I would attend just to see that title fulfilled.
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I do not think she would have it any other way either.
Posted by Damnatao.OPosted by MontgomeryI'll actually expand on this when I'll have time. I'm curious too.Posted by SoulWe are.
Who's to say we aren't all sinning to death by living? Everyone is just chilling as an immortal spirit and a few crazy fuckers decide to become living mortals.
So is it just Earth suns with the highest suicide rate, or does
it pertain to other placements too, I wonder.
😕
Earth suns made sense to me which is why it's so weird what you can find in not that large of a sample.
Forgot to add that about 30% of these people were born on cusps. A lot of 20th - 23rd birthdays.click to expand
Do you know how far back these stats go?
I wouldn't have guessed Earth, but it would be very interesting
to see if those placements popped up in ascendant or moons.
Pisces stats surprised me (it shouldn't have, being mutable),
but LEO did not.
Most surprising was gem women tying cap for second place.
Wtf?
Capricorn?
Crazy.
Crazy.
Posted by RommyPosted by ScrumptiousShe's not that smart. She's just a really good fake. Gypsy tricks.Posted by littlenanobyteIt would be genius if damnata set up this whole thread just to get a flippant rouse out of everyone while analyzing and recording everyone's responses just for her own benefit to satisfy her data gathering craving. Right now i'm sure my name has a percentage next to it on a excel spread sheet.
This thread was just really bizarre and awkward to read....
Lots of random and very personal beef being slung around for 10 whole pages.
😆
What is with you guys??
Am I the only one who read this whole thing and thought "wtf?"
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thats pretty cool
@redoctober2000 committed account suicide taking along her stench
@redoctober2000 committed account suicide taking along her stench
Posted by RommyI wouldn't go this far. curiosity is very human and that's all she's expressing. I am also very interested in psychology and astrology. while astrology might not capture the definitive answer as to if someone will commit suicide, it can show us areas in which someone may stuggle-- like with ego or emotions, tendencies towards compulsions or delusions. I don't know I find correlations like this interesting. and even just collecting and analyzing data can be fun. nothing proven, just thoughts. anyway ariana Grande caught my attention. I just thought this was a little much.Posted by DamnataLook at it in a broader view. I'll put it down plainly. Astrology cannot be associated with suicide. A human mind goes deeper and darker than generic astrology can pinpoint. There's no way to understand someones conditions for committing suicide, these are deep and internally dark emotions that astrology cannot go near. If so then a psychotherapist would be out of a job.Posted by RommyWhat seems and what is..worlds apart.Posted by DamnataWell honestly. Use some of that common sense and "social givens" you're always bragging about having you old "owl" and don't ask questions you know are emotionally void of the true concept of the question you are asking.Posted by RommyMindblowing.
I don't think suicide can be attributed to a sign. Astrology is entirely surface based. Internally our emotions and mental state cannot coincide with astrology, maybe a behavior yes but internally we humans are entirely too complex and changing for it to be associated with astrology. Internal mental health is effected by so many factors...astrology couldn't begin to tip the iceberg of how deep things can go.
Suicide is deep, dark, lonely and internally harsh. It comes from a place that is inhuman. It leaves you without any hope and strips you of your dignity to survive and continue on.
If suicide could be attributed to a sign, element, modality or zodiac axis....then psychotherapists are using all the wrong tools to analyze their patients and should all just be picking up "He's just not in the stars" book and doing chart readings for their patients.
Seriously
Alas, we're on the Astrology board.
Instead of trying to attribute questions about suicide to astrology maybe ask questions about suicide that are more human than being emotionally detached by associating it with an axis in astrology.
Seems moronic.
Point is, you're better off posting the same spiel about how Astrology doesn't apply to anything on all Astrology topics. Because...it should be common knowledge but if you feel the need to emphasize it..by all means, go down the broken record path.
In the meantime try to grow up.
Laters.
Chalking up suicide to a fucking astro placement is such a heartless condescending way to try and grasp suicide. It's so detached that I felt compelled to point it out.
You are so emotionally void and disturbing.
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Posted by FragranceIt is for mine as well!Posted by PalerioYeaah, esattamente :p I think I know what you mean, looking for pragmatic counterparts to our instincts. And isn't it truly satisfactory when another piece of the puzzle fits...for my Pisces Mercury it certainly is.Posted by FragranceI think I'm following a similar pathway, trying to combine MBTI, natal, vedic, draconic etc... with an experience-based approach. Personally I find looking at astrology that way a lot more stimulating: there's more data to stockpile and patterns to be noticed.
I believe there's a correlation between MBTI personality types and astrology and that people physically and vibrationally remind of the archetype of their Ascendant sign. Consequently, I wouldn't exclude death from the picture. Since astrology has to do with ones' personality, past and predictions about one's future, I personally think it is logical to look for suicidal propensity in a "Natal, transits and progressions combined" chart. Only.
I'm not that interested in getting too knowledgeable about any of them, but more interested in finding a logical and pragmatical use to what intuitively feels right to me.
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In my head it's like having several ideas I want and feel the need to tidily order in a structured way, and psychology and astrology are usually just tools I use to constructively put them together.
For me it all stems from the extreme need and importance of always recognize a part of myself in everything I do: if I make a connection there must be something original about it, I'm rarely satisfied if I don't put my own twist on the matter at issue. If for instance I read about the stereotypical description of a placement I feel knowledgeable about, which might even be true to a certain extent, and I can't find anything insightful about it that makes me wonder what else could be said.
What everyone says is of public domain already, there's no need to shed light on it. What's truly fascinating is what goes unsaid, the uncharted part of life where people's intuition is needed. For instance Aqua venus for men and women is a totally different beast, there are scenarios where the same exact placement react in a completely different way based on the gender solely. So when I read desciptions I often think "That's true but... that's not the core of the matter", that's not a trait the majority of people with that particular placement will relate to. Or I can find for example many similarities between the way an Aqua mars and Aries sun pursue something/someone, etc etc...
What triggers certain behaviours is what interests me, it interests me because they're factual and you can have a tangible evidence of them, which is something my Pisces mercury finds extremely satisfactory as well :p
Once you've created this solid net of tangible ideas, that are essential and applicable to your day-to-day life, you will notice, that instead of being just in your head, they will suddenly come alive. Thereafter anything you might read about astrology and psychology will fall into place organically, as a piece of the puzzle you were referring to, because the foundation is there and it's grounded.
The ultimate goal, as you said correctly, is to gradually bolster our ability to recognize patterns and promptly find solutions to any problem we may encounter, to the point our decision making process will become instinctive and natural.
Now read about asteroid Pallas - if you have any tight aspects - and tell me if it suddenly makes sense :p
Posted by RommyPosted by ScrumptiousIf someone could commit suicide instantly by reading dumb questions it would be me...
5) By what method?
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Oh good, so why are you still here?
Oh, that's right ... you're the ridiculous person who screamed and yelled at the whole community because of me, and then when the light finally went off in your puny brain to realize it was just me in your face and not everyone else .... you deleted your account out of embarrassment.
A fool is as a fool says ... and you should know.
And here you are again ... making a complete fool out of yourself.
So, since this question is so dumb to you, that it would make you kill yourself ..... then again, you can't even practice what you preach ... because you didn't kill yourself.
So, as usual ... you just run your mouth.
The only person looking ridiculous is you .... AGAIN
Posted by Damnata
1) Which sign do you think is most liable to commit suicide?
2) Which element?
3) Which modality?
4) Which zodiac axis?
I've never thought about this before .... but, most likely water.
Cancer's are pretty crazy, for the most part ...... they murder a lot. So, it wouldn't be a far stretch to assume that they murder themselves a lot as well.
Posted by Rommy
I don't think suicide can be attributed to a sign.
But, what you think has no value .... again, you yelled at the whole community because I was in your face, and you were completely witless in being able to realize that it was just me ...... so you deleted your account because you knew you were a fool.
However, that took you quite a long time for that awareness to come to your puny brain.
So, what you think is equivalent to what a cow thinks.
I would think men commit suicide more than women ..... probably because they are more intuned with themselves than women.
Women will be fuck-ups and utterly clueless to it. They will believe they are amazing, and everyone else is the problem. Rarely are women aware that it's really them who are the cunts. So, they're probably not likely to kill themselves.
Whereas men are very aware of their surroundings. If they're fucked up, they know they are. And they have the courage to remove themselves from the situations.
And that could be as far as dying as well.
So, thus far .... I have male Cancers
Posted by Ixion120
Saying/suggesting the reason they are who they are, and going through what they are because they are predisposed/fated to be this way..because of their very birth (which is a very very common trait/mindset when it comes to disordered thinking and emotionally maligned states) and saying/suggesting that it's something that isn't developed and triggered by external causes.. can make the difference between someone having hope and giving up.
You should preach that to the American black man ..... because he has this exact mindset that you are saying is wrong.
Hypocrite.
People just love being stupid ... they really do.
They will say shit like .....
(this sign) is a cheater
(this sign) is a commitment phobe
(this sign) is always depressed
and none of you morons (you know who you are) are carrying on making utter fools out of yourself about it.
In your stupid theory, every time YOU ran your mouth about someone being a cheater, than it's YOUR fault if a man ran out and fucked another woman ... after all YOU said it on here, so that means YOU caused it.
Stupid shit that people say
They will say shit like .....
(this sign) is a cheater
(this sign) is a commitment phobe
(this sign) is always depressed
and none of you morons (you know who you are) are carrying on making utter fools out of yourself about it.
In your stupid theory, every time YOU ran your mouth about someone being a cheater, than it's YOUR fault if a man ran out and fucked another woman ... after all YOU said it on here, so that means YOU caused it.
Stupid shit that people say
It's easy to see who the ridiculous people are .... they are the ones who don't know how to handle an impartial thread.
They are the ones who take shit so personally that they make fools out of themselves, by contradicting themselves ..... because every one of them has made blanket statements across the board about a sun sign, about a gender, about a race, about an element.
Actually, this is a good thing that happened here ... it's always a good thing when people hang themselves, like the responding hypocrites did here .... because we can all now see who the morons are, and who the people are with brains functioning with more than two cells.
Posted by DonumDeiWell... like I said-- I shouldn't have.Posted by MontgomeryWhy would it? We are like cockroaches. We'd survive the nuclear holocaust need be if for no other reason but to spite our own selves. @_@
Pisces stats surprised me (it shouldn't have, being mutable),
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Pisces (and often Pisces moons) also wouldn't
do it because WHO would take care of everyone,
if we didn't?
#martyrcomplex
water signs/water dominant, water water water water.
http://ecotoneastrology.com/water-signs-depression-suicide/
Water signs do not just feel lightly. They feel with the intensity of the ocean.
Just as water nourishes us, it can also drown us. Just as our ability to feel allows us to experience great joy, it also allows great pain. Water is needed to sustain life, yet water is also the most destructive element. Even natural disasters that have historically caused the greatest loss of life all involve water: floods, tsunamis, and hurricanes.
When someone has planets in water signs, this means that their feeling nature is more intense. They feel the highest highs and the lowest lows. Emotions more easily flood them, often without warning or logic. Feelings can easily carry them away, just as the tide attempts to carry swimmers out to sea. They may feel as if they’re often struggling to stay afloat, always fighting an invisible current. This is depression.
And sometimes, after a long battle with the tide, they feel utterly helpless. They feel like there’s no longer any use in fighting the surging waters. They feel powerless, hopeless, exhausted. So they give in, they let the tide take them. Sometimes drifting, sometimes drowning. This watery surrender may be self-harm or suicide.
A look at notable figures who’ve taken their own lives, reveals an obvious water sign pattern:
◾Kurt Cobain: 8 planets in water signs
◾Sylvia Plath: Scorpio Sun and Mercury, both in the 8th House (Scorpio’s native house)
◾Alexander McQueen: Scorpio rising; Pisces Sun, Moon, and Mercury, all in the 4th house (Cancer’s native house, the house of mothering and nurturing) an interesting detail which may account for the timing of his suicide: a week after his mother’s death
and of course, the suicide currently weighing heavy on our collective heart…
◾Robin Williams: Cancer Sun and Mars (8th house); Pisces Moon; Scorpio rising
But the life of a water sign person need not be so bleak. In those drowning moments it is easy to forget that…
Water signs embody the strength of the ocean. They are just as powerful as the tide.
http://ecotoneastrology.com/water-signs-depression-suicide/
Water signs do not just feel lightly. They feel with the intensity of the ocean.
Just as water nourishes us, it can also drown us. Just as our ability to feel allows us to experience great joy, it also allows great pain. Water is needed to sustain life, yet water is also the most destructive element. Even natural disasters that have historically caused the greatest loss of life all involve water: floods, tsunamis, and hurricanes.
When someone has planets in water signs, this means that their feeling nature is more intense. They feel the highest highs and the lowest lows. Emotions more easily flood them, often without warning or logic. Feelings can easily carry them away, just as the tide attempts to carry swimmers out to sea. They may feel as if they’re often struggling to stay afloat, always fighting an invisible current. This is depression.
And sometimes, after a long battle with the tide, they feel utterly helpless. They feel like there’s no longer any use in fighting the surging waters. They feel powerless, hopeless, exhausted. So they give in, they let the tide take them. Sometimes drifting, sometimes drowning. This watery surrender may be self-harm or suicide.
A look at notable figures who’ve taken their own lives, reveals an obvious water sign pattern:
◾Kurt Cobain: 8 planets in water signs
◾Sylvia Plath: Scorpio Sun and Mercury, both in the 8th House (Scorpio’s native house)
◾Alexander McQueen: Scorpio rising; Pisces Sun, Moon, and Mercury, all in the 4th house (Cancer’s native house, the house of mothering and nurturing) an interesting detail which may account for the timing of his suicide: a week after his mother’s death
and of course, the suicide currently weighing heavy on our collective heart…
◾Robin Williams: Cancer Sun and Mars (8th house); Pisces Moon; Scorpio rising
But the life of a water sign person need not be so bleak. In those drowning moments it is easy to forget that…
Water signs embody the strength of the ocean. They are just as powerful as the tide.
There's probably a chemical imbalance with someone who wants to commit suicide. I can't see how astrology is linked.
Life, in its many forms, never decides to quit -- usually.
Life, in its many forms, never decides to quit -- usually.
I was not really going to comment on this thread as I find the basic topic of it rather disturbing. However it just keeps popping to the top of the recent posts.
Suicide is not something anyone should take lightly and you cannot determine rates based on astrology in my opinion. There is so much more to this on such a deeper level that I am sure most of you will never understand and can discuss till you are all blue in the face.
6 years ago, I suffered from PND and tried to commit suicide. Thankfully I was not successful. But I am certainly not going to say Libra is more likely to to it.
5 years ago I had a very close friend who through most of his life was against suicide yet on the evening of his birthday he hung himself. He was Cancer, but I most certainly will not say Cancers are more likely to do it.
I am sure most of the time, this sort of choice someone makes is a split decision and is based on what they are going through in life, most certainly not what sign they were born under.
This topic is as morbid as they come.
Suicide is not something anyone should take lightly and you cannot determine rates based on astrology in my opinion. There is so much more to this on such a deeper level that I am sure most of you will never understand and can discuss till you are all blue in the face.
6 years ago, I suffered from PND and tried to commit suicide. Thankfully I was not successful. But I am certainly not going to say Libra is more likely to to it.
5 years ago I had a very close friend who through most of his life was against suicide yet on the evening of his birthday he hung himself. He was Cancer, but I most certainly will not say Cancers are more likely to do it.
I am sure most of the time, this sort of choice someone makes is a split decision and is based on what they are going through in life, most certainly not what sign they were born under.
This topic is as morbid as they come.
Posted by Queenofthepheasantfairies
But I am certainly not going to say Libra is more likely to to it.
but I most certainly will not say Cancers are more likely to do it.
most certainly not what sign they were born under.
You act like what you what certainly do or not do is gospel .. in reality, you're the only one who certainly gives a shit about what you would or wouldn't say.
I'm willing to wager that you don't get that, and believe that since you think so, then it (should) be bank across the board.
"bate"
You cry about being called stupid, then you say, "I shouldn't have taken the bate"
You cry about being called stupid, then you say, "I shouldn't have taken the bate"
People are so ridiculous, it's amazing.
You're so fucking afraid of death that you cannot even handle conversations about it. I feel sorry for your kids .. they literally have nobody open minded enough to talk to about it ... which means, they'll probably just do it.
I remember several months ago, people going on and on about suicide hot lines and saying shit like, "somebody loves you" .... how fucking backwards can people possibly be.
If you tell a random person who is suicidal that you love them ... then they are DEFINITELY going to kill themselves.
But, morons don't get that.
And you don't even know how fucking backwards that is .... you're the fucking trigger if you tell them that.
dumbass fucking people, man
And it's all because you're cowards. You fear, therefore, you're rendered stupid from it.
Posted by PalerioFirst, how the hell did I miss this? Second, I fully agree and think the same way! Thanks for summing up the key characteristics of INFJs reasoning.Posted by FragrancePosted by PalerioYeaah, esattamente :p I think I know what you mean, looking for pragmatic counterparts to our instincts. And isn't it truly satisfactory when another piece of the puzzle fits...for my Pisces Mercury it certainly is.Posted by FragranceI think I'm following a similar pathway, trying to combine MBTI, natal, vedic, draconic etc... with an experience-based approach. Personally I find looking at astrology that way a lot more stimulating: there's more data to stockpile and patterns to be noticed.
I believe there's a correlation between MBTI personality types and astrology and that people physically and vibrationally remind of the archetype of their Ascendant sign. Consequently, I wouldn't exclude death from the picture. Since astrology has to do with ones' personality, past and predictions about one's future, I personally think it is logical to look for suicidal propensity in a "Natal, transits and progressions combined" chart. Only.
I'm not that interested in getting too knowledgeable about any of them, but more interested in finding a logical and pragmatical use to what intuitively feels right to me.
"In my head it's like having several ideas I want and feel the need to tidily order in a structured way . . . "
"For me it all stems from the extreme need and importance of always recognize a part of myself in everything I do: if I make a connection there must be something original about it."
"What's truly fascinating is what goes unsaid, the uncharted part of life where people's intuition is needed."
"What triggers certain behaviours is what interests me, it interests me because they're factual and you can have a tangible evidence of them . . . "
"Once you've created this solid net of tangible ideas, that are essential and applicable to your day-to-day life, you will notice, that instead of being just in your head, they will suddenly come alive."
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↓ When pondering... "The ultimate goal . . . is to gradually bolster our ability to recognize patterns and promptly find solutions to any problem we may encounter, to the point our decision making process will become instinctive and natural. "
lol
Lastly, it's just so interesting that Pisces Mercury demands order and structure in their mind. You're not the only Pisces Mercury who tells me this. Could it be our Piscean mental urge to build up the qualities of its missing half (Virgo) because Mercury in Pisces yearns so strongly for entirety... you know completeness? Like things just don't operate independently...
Posted by cheekyfaerieIt makes sense with Earth signs if you think about it. Repressing emotion, fitting life into systems and life just won't stay into systems. Having people perceive us as rocks so...we crumble under our own standards.
Anyway, I'm a little disappointed in my winter born comrades. We come from hearty, peasant stock. We should be able to climb anything!
Posted by julietteI'm thinking you have to trigger them to fight you and react from ego/survival.Posted by GetMistedPosted by P-AngelI'm not sure I understand your reasoning here.
If you tell a random person who is suicidal that you love them ... then they are DEFINITELY going to kill themselves.
But, morons don't get that.
And you don't even know how fucking backwards that is .... you're the fucking trigger if you tell them that.
Is it because those that commit suicide are inherently selfish? And proclaiming love for them gives them a reason to take that love away with them?
i'm guessing it's similar to raising awareness on facebook. typing words from our cozy life, and then forget about it a minute later and don't do anything to actually help.
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Posted by DivaCanLeoPosted by P-Angellol we're crazy, yet you let your man sleep with menPosted by Damnata
1) Which sign do you think is most liable to commit suicide?
2) Which element?
3) Which modality?
4) Which zodiac axis?
I've never thought about this before .... but, most likely water.
Cancer's are pretty crazy, for the most part ...... they murder a lot. So, it wouldn't be a far stretch to assume that they murder themselves a lot as well.
bytch you're insane
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anyone sitting down reading this thread while eating something?
i'm eating cheez-its
i'm eating cheez-its
Posted by Harei ran out of mike and ike about 9 pages agoPosted by ScrumptiousJelly beans.
anyone sitting down reading this thread while eating something?
i'm eating cheez-its
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Posted by Damnata
I'm thinking you have to trigger them to fight you and react from ego/survival.
And Bingo was his namo
A person emotionally suffering the point of suicide, wants A PARTICULAR PERSON to love them ... not fucking you
You love ... the person causing them suffering does not
It's not fucking rocket science .... it's human nature.
Stop fucking thinking about what YOU would want it to mean to start thinking about what it actually means.
It means that their person is neglecting their emotional needs ... if you speak to them about how beautiful life is, and how much you love ... then you just fucking triggered them into feeling worse because now they realize that their situation is even more dire.
You have all these people with positive, loving energy ... and you're fucking throwing it in their face.
Do you all actually get suicide? Do you all actually get what leads a person there?
Most people solution to a suicidal person is to make them feel envious because they dont' have what you are throwing in their face.
Do you all actually believe a suicidal person is rational, and will think, "oh gee, random people that I'll never know loves me"
You make them do what I make you people do. You put them on the spot, to force to defend their people, who they believe don't love them. You turn them around by making them defend themselves.
If you make a person feel small ... then they will rise up
If you make a small person feel envious, and more neglected by not having what you have .. then they'll jump
psychology 101 ... seriously people, do you have any emotional intelligence at all?
That is ... for those who are so selfish and self righteous that they think others should live for the sake of their feelings.
for me personally ... I approve of suicide. It is a person's right to die if they so choose.
Posted by FragranceI think we need structure because otherwise we'll have to basically accept we're nuts :pPosted by PalerioFirst, how the hell did I miss this? Second, I fully agree and think the same way! Thanks for summing up the key characteristics of INFJs reasoning.Posted by FragrancePosted by PalerioYeaah, esattamente :p I think I know what you mean, looking for pragmatic counterparts to our instincts. And isn't it truly satisfactory when another piece of the puzzle fits...for my Pisces Mercury it certainly is.Posted by FragranceI think I'm following a similar pathway, trying to combine MBTI, natal, vedic, draconic etc... with an experience-based approach. Personally I find looking at astrology that way a lot more stimulating: there's more data to stockpile and patterns to be noticed.
I believe there's a correlation between MBTI personality types and astrology and that people physically and vibrationally remind of the archetype of their Ascendant sign. Consequently, I wouldn't exclude death from the picture. Since astrology has to do with ones' personality, past and predictions about one's future, I personally think it is logical to look for suicidal propensity in a "Natal, transits and progressions combined" chart. Only.
I'm not that interested in getting too knowledgeable about any of them, but more interested in finding a logical and pragmatical use to what intuitively feels right to me.
"In my head it's like having several ideas I want and feel the need to tidily order in a structured way . . . "
"For me it all stems from the extreme need and importance of always recognize a part of myself in everything I do: if I make a connection there must be something original about it."
"What's truly fascinating is what goes unsaid, the uncharted part of life where people's intuition is needed."
"What triggers certain behaviours is what interests me, it interests me because they're factual and you can have a tangible evidence of them . . . "
"Once you've created this solid net of tangible ideas, that are essential and applicable to your day-to-day life, you will notice, that instead of being just in your head, they will suddenly come alive."
↓ When pondering... "The ultimate goal . . . is to gradually bolster our ability to recognize patterns and promptly find solutions to any problem we may encounter, to the point our decision making process will become instinctive and natural. "
lol
Lastly, it's just so interesting that Pisces Mercury demands order and structure in their mind. You're not the only Pisces Mercury who tells me this. Could it be our Piscean mental urge to build up the qualities of its missing half (Virgo) because Mercury in Pisces yearns so strongly for entirety... you know completeness? Like things just don't operate independently...click to expand
Joking aside, I agree our natural inclination is to crave entirety and a sense of wholeness, but most importantly we crave it because we need to channel what's on our mind; it's frustrating to most Pisces mercury to have all these vivid images and not being able to share them, a small amount at least.
Hence I figured too the only way for us to do so is to look for structure in the opposite direction, at Virgos and not other signs because structure aside they're still mutable an dynamic like us. I can't personally adapt to fixed ways of being structured, despite having Aqua in my chart, I don't like them.
Once the net, I was referring to in my previous post, is grounded - another reason why we look at Virgos - and solid all our ordered images can finally flood outiside, alleviating us from the frustration thad had been mounting up until that day. Thereafter we just feel tremendous joy in acknowledging that the person in front of us can see our same images too.
Then going past that I can't really establish how much is Pisces and how much it's due to having a Virgo rising too 😄
Posted by P-AngelNonsense.Posted by Damnata
I'm thinking you have to trigger them to fight you and react from ego/survival.
And Bingo was his namo
A person emotionally suffering the point of suicide, wants A PARTICULAR PERSON to love them ... not fucking you
You love ... the person causing them suffering does not
It's not fucking rocket science .... it's human nature.
Stop fucking thinking about what YOU would want it to mean to start thinking about what it actually means.
It means that their person is neglecting their emotional needs ... if you speak to them about how beautiful life is, and how much you love ... then you just fucking triggered them into feeling worse because now they realize that their situation is even more dire.
You have all these people with positive, loving energy ... and you're fucking throwing it in their face.
Do you all actually get suicide? Do you all actually get what leads a person there?
Most people solution to a suicidal person is to make them feel envious because they dont' have what you are throwing in their face.
Do you all actually believe a suicidal person is rational, and will think, "oh gee, random people that I'll never know loves me"
You make them do what I make you people do. You put them on the spot, to force to defend their people, who they believe don't love them. You turn them around by making them defend themselves.
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Not everyone wants to die because of another person.
Some people despair of Life, itself.
The projection... o.O
Posted by PalerioPosted by FragranceI think we need structure because otherwise we'll have to basically accept we're nuts :pPosted by PalerioFirst, how the hell did I miss this? Second, I fully agree and think the same way! Thanks for summing up the key characteristics of INFJs reasoning.Posted by FragrancePosted by PalerioYeaah, esattamente :p I think I know what you mean, looking for pragmatic counterparts to our instincts. And isn't it truly satisfactory when another piece of the puzzle fits...for my Pisces Mercury it certainly is.Posted by FragranceI think I'm following a similar pathway, trying to combine MBTI, natal, vedic, draconic etc... with an experience-based approach. Personally I find looking at astrology that way a lot more stimulating: there's more data to stockpile and patterns to be noticed.
I believe there's a correlation between MBTI personality types and astrology and that people physically and vibrationally remind of the archetype of their Ascendant sign. Consequently, I wouldn't exclude death from the picture. Since astrology has to do with ones' personality, past and predictions about one's future, I personally think it is logical to look for suicidal propensity in a "Natal, transits and progressions combined" chart. Only.
I'm not that interested in getting too knowledgeable about any of them, but more interested in finding a logical and pragmatical use to what intuitively feels right to me.
"In my head it's like having several ideas I want and feel the need to tidily order in a structured way . . . "
"For me it all stems from the extreme need and importance of always recognize a part of myself in everything I do: if I make a connection there must be something original about it."
"What's truly fascinating is what goes unsaid, the uncharted part of life where people's intuition is needed."
"What triggers certain behaviours is what interests me, it interests me because they're factual and you can have a tangible evidence of them . . . "
"Once you've created this solid net of tangible ideas, that are essential and applicable to your day-to-day life, you will notice, that instead of being just in your head, they will suddenly come alive."
↓ When pondering... "The ultimate goal . . . is to gradually bolster our ability to recognize patterns and promptly find solutions to any problem we may encounter, to the point our decision making process will become instinctive and natural. "
lol
Lastly, it's just so interesting that Pisces Mercury demands order and structure in their mind. You're not the only Pisces Mercury who tells me this. Could it be our Piscean mental urge to build up the qualities of its missing half (Virgo) because Mercury in Pisces yearns so strongly for entirety... you know completeness? Like things just don't operate independently...
Joking aside, I agree our natural inclination is to crave entirety and a sense of wholeness, but most importantly we crave it because we need to channel what's on our mind; it's frustrating to most Pisces mercury to have all these vivid images and not being able to share them, a small amount at least.
Hence I figured too the only way for us to do so is to look for structure in the opposite direction, at Virgos and not other signs because structure aside they're still mutable an dynamic like us. I can't personally adapt to fixed ways of being structured, despite having Aqua in my chart, I don't like them.
Once the net, I was referring to in my previous post, is grounded - another reason why we look at Virgos - and solid all our ordered images can finally flood outiside, alleviating us from the frustration thad had been mounting up until that day. Thereafter we just feel tremendous joy in acknowledging that the person in front of us can see our same images too.
Then going past that I can't really establish how much is Pisces and how much it's due to having a Virgo rising too 😄
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lol you're way too fixed for fixed.
Posted by MontgomeryPosted by P-AngelNonsense.Posted by Damnata
I'm thinking you have to trigger them to fight you and react from ego/survival.
And Bingo was his namo
A person emotionally suffering the point of suicide, wants A PARTICULAR PERSON to love them ... not fucking you
You love ... the person causing them suffering does not
It's not fucking rocket science .... it's human nature.
Stop fucking thinking about what YOU would want it to mean to start thinking about what it actually means.
It means that their person is neglecting their emotional needs ... if you speak to them about how beautiful life is, and how much you love ... then you just fucking triggered them into feeling worse because now they realize that their situation is even more dire.
You have all these people with positive, loving energy ... and you're fucking throwing it in their face.
Do you all actually get suicide? Do you all actually get what leads a person there?
Most people solution to a suicidal person is to make them feel envious because they dont' have what you are throwing in their face.
Do you all actually believe a suicidal person is rational, and will think, "oh gee, random people that I'll never know loves me"
You make them do what I make you people do. You put them on the spot, to force to defend their people, who they believe don't love them. You turn them around by making them defend themselves.
Not everyone wants to die because of another person.
Some people despair of Life, itself.
The projection... o.O
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Marilyn Monroe had everything but she was still unhappy.
Posted by Redbull
Where did the information in the pie charts come from. Im reading something for school right now and it literally said "When you see the results of polls pay no attention whatsoever to any results that arent accompanied by (1) the actual questions, (2) a description of how the study was conducted, and (3) what group was surveyed". So here did they literally analyze every case in the world or just selected region? What time frame, where did it come from there are numerous possible questions. Did they study birthcharts and pinpoint signs? what about Cuspers who aren't immediately apparent the sign? Just happened to read something and found it relevant.
Nobody, save a few, gave her any information.
The charts don't have data in it .... they were set up, waiting to get feedback, to then be populated.
There are no results.
Honestly ... are people really this dense? You can't read a chart?
Posted by lisabethur8Exactly!Posted by PalerioPosted by FragranceI think we need structure because otherwise we'll have to basically accept we're nuts :pPosted by PalerioFirst, how the hell did I miss this? Second, I fully agree and think the same way! Thanks for summing up the key characteristics of INFJs reasoning.Posted by FragrancePosted by PalerioYeaah, esattamente :p I think I know what you mean, looking for pragmatic counterparts to our instincts. And isn't it truly satisfactory when another piece of the puzzle fits...for my Pisces Mercury it certainly is.Posted by FragranceI think I'm following a similar pathway, trying to combine MBTI, natal, vedic, draconic etc... with an experience-based approach. Personally I find looking at astrology that way a lot more stimulating: there's more data to stockpile and patterns to be noticed.
I believe there's a correlation between MBTI personality types and astrology and that people physically and vibrationally remind of the archetype of their Ascendant sign. Consequently, I wouldn't exclude death from the picture. Since astrology has to do with ones' personality, past and predictions about one's future, I personally think it is logical to look for suicidal propensity in a "Natal, transits and progressions combined" chart. Only.
I'm not that interested in getting too knowledgeable about any of them, but more interested in finding a logical and pragmatical use to what intuitively feels right to me.
"In my head it's like having several ideas I want and feel the need to tidily order in a structured way . . . "
"For me it all stems from the extreme need and importance of always recognize a part of myself in everything I do: if I make a connection there must be something original about it."
"What's truly fascinating is what goes unsaid, the uncharted part of life where people's intuition is needed."
"What triggers certain behaviours is what interests me, it interests me because they're factual and you can have a tangible evidence of them . . . "
"Once you've created this solid net of tangible ideas, that are essential and applicable to your day-to-day life, you will notice, that instead of being just in your head, they will suddenly come alive."
↓ When pondering... "The ultimate goal . . . is to gradually bolster our ability to recognize patterns and promptly find solutions to any problem we may encounter, to the point our decision making process will become instinctive and natural. "
lol
Lastly, it's just so interesting that Pisces Mercury demands order and structure in their mind. You're not the only Pisces Mercury who tells me this. Could it be our Piscean mental urge to build up the qualities of its missing half (Virgo) because Mercury in Pisces yearns so strongly for entirety... you know completeness? Like things just don't operate independently...
Joking aside, I agree our natural inclination is to crave entirety and a sense of wholeness, but most importantly we crave it because we need to channel what's on our mind; it's frustrating to most Pisces mercury to have all these vivid images and not being able to share them, a small amount at least.
Hence I figured too the only way for us to do so is to look for structure in the opposite direction, at Virgos and not other signs because structure aside they're still mutable an dynamic like us. I can't personally adapt to fixed ways of being structured, despite having Aqua in my chart, I don't like them.
Once the net, I was referring to in my previous post, is grounded - another reason why we look at Virgos - and solid all our ordered images can finally flood outiside, alleviating us from the frustration thad had been mounting up until that day. Thereafter we just feel tremendous joy in acknowledging that the person in front of us can see our same images too.
Then going past that I can't really establish how much is Pisces and how much it's due to having a Virgo rising too 😄
lol you're way too fixed for fixed.
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Too mutable is the ultimate fixed. Tunnel visions.
Posted by lisabethur8Still not convinced that was a suicide, but yeah--Posted by MontgomeryPosted by P-AngelNonsense.Posted by Damnata
I'm thinking you have to trigger them to fight you and react from ego/survival.
And Bingo was his namo
A person emotionally suffering the point of suicide, wants A PARTICULAR PERSON to love them ... not fucking you
You love ... the person causing them suffering does not
It's not fucking rocket science .... it's human nature.
Stop fucking thinking about what YOU would want it to mean to start thinking about what it actually means.
It means that their person is neglecting their emotional needs ... if you speak to them about how beautiful life is, and how much you love ... then you just fucking triggered them into feeling worse because now they realize that their situation is even more dire.
You have all these people with positive, loving energy ... and you're fucking throwing it in their face.
Do you all actually get suicide? Do you all actually get what leads a person there?
Most people solution to a suicidal person is to make them feel envious because they dont' have what you are throwing in their face.
Do you all actually believe a suicidal person is rational, and will think, "oh gee, random people that I'll never know loves me"
You make them do what I make you people do. You put them on the spot, to force to defend their people, who they believe don't love them. You turn them around by making them defend themselves.
Not everyone wants to die because of another person.
Some people despair of Life, itself.
The projection... o.O
Marilyn Monroe had everything but she was still unhappy.
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the disappointment must have been monstrous.
Posted by lisabethur8
Marilyn Monroe had everything but she was still unhappy.
You have the triggering mindset of which I was explaining.
In your mind, she had everything .. so that means, according to you, she should have enough to appreciate to be happy.
You fail to recognize that there was something making her unhappy ... and you only reference what she did have.
Same principal.
If a person is lacking, and this lacking is enough to make them suicidal .. then reminding them of what they do have, and how it should make them want to live ..... reminds them of how fucked up they are ... and it triggers them to jump.
As serious as the subject matter is how does one actually take the discussion itself seriously here.
All these armchair professionals having a go at each other with no substantial proof in any of their arguments.
Remember, dxpnet is simply all shades of crazy rolled into a mosh pit of -
How could you all not laugh at yourselves and each other? 😆
As to the OP, @Damnata, unfortunately I really do not see the correlation between suicide and astrology therefore I cannot help with your survey. As from my experience, it appears in such a variety of people that it would be hard to pinpoint on a birth date only.
I shall stick to the pie eating and retreat back into the shadows to watch this madness unfold.
All these armchair professionals having a go at each other with no substantial proof in any of their arguments.
Remember, dxpnet is simply all shades of crazy rolled into a mosh pit of -
How could you all not laugh at yourselves and each other? 😆
As to the OP, @Damnata, unfortunately I really do not see the correlation between suicide and astrology therefore I cannot help with your survey. As from my experience, it appears in such a variety of people that it would be hard to pinpoint on a birth date only.
I shall stick to the pie eating and retreat back into the shadows to watch this madness unfold.
Posted by EnochtheWiseHah! 😆Posted by TheLadyScorpio
All these armchair professionals having a go at each other with no substantial proof in any of their arguments...I really do not see the correlation between suicide and astrology therefore I cannot help with your survey. As from my experience, it appears in such a variety of people that it would be hard to pinpoint on a birth date only.
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Suicide could creep up on anyone therefore I cannot see its correlation with a birth date. It is simply the matter of the fact.
Posted by ReincarnationPosted by TheLadyScorpio
As serious as the subject matter is how does one actually take the discussion itself seriously here.
All these armchair professionals having a go at each other with no substantial proof in any of their arguments.
Remember, dxpnet is simply all shades of crazy rolled into a mosh pit of -
How could you all not laugh at yourselves and each other? 😆
As to the OP, @Damnata, unfortunately I really do not see the correlation between suicide and astrology therefore I cannot help with your survey. As from my experience, it appears in such a variety of people that it would be hard to pinpoint on a birth date only.
I shall stick to the pie eating and retreat back into the shadows to watch this madness unfold.
Did she post a source of the data and statistics? Where did she get those charts from?click to expand
I do not think she posted a source nor could it be derived from dxpnet because very few people responded to the survey from what I have read so far.
You would have to ask her yourself.
Posted by HarePosted by TheLadyScorpio
After reading this thread, I find it amusing that Stingers are the ones that are stereotyped as being the inquisitorial squad because evidence shows otherwise. We hardly fit the bill as compared to others. 😆
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Watching this again and it puts a smile on my face. 😆
i've moved onto raisinets now
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Quiz
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B. Ability to forgive
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gemini: chihuahua
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virgo: dachshund
libra: spaniel
scorpio: rottweiler
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