Do they lie a lot—

OK, I've been discovering just how much this cancerian male friend has lied to me...I know that there's nothing astrological about lying...anyone will/can...but I read somewhere that Cancerians do tend to lie a lot....—?

not as much as libras..lol

Hmmmmm. I do lie a lot, but I firmly believe it is because my mom lies ALL the time and it's become a learned trait I'm trying to get rid of.

I am a Cancer Rising and I used to lie a lot. In my former life...

My cancer mom lied a lot to my scorpio dad in order to keep peace in the house. His raging hormones have greatly subsided, and there is no more lying on her part.

My bizzaro cancer cousin lies a lot to cover his tracks.

i am not sure about how other cancers are but my cancer is so manipulative and he is such a liar, just so he can get things done his way......i could never be like that(he says things just to keep me interested).....sometimes i even wondered if he was into me, but they say that with a cancer you always know where you are, if they are into you you know it and viceversa, there is no place for in between......could this be true—

I tend to be very secretive as opposed to lying. I do not like people in my business unless I invite them. Some people don't perceive this well because they then think that maybe I am lying about something just because I am not that forth coming with my business. I do not like being lied to so I try to be as open an honest as possible when asked a question. Also lies catch up to you in the end.

Cancer's live by the "What they don't know, can't hurt you" creed. They feel that hiding something is different from actually lying because hiding something can be seen more as an Action versus lying as more of verbal dishonesty. All of the Cancers I know tend to lie alot for no reason, but I think they do it mostly when they feel the truth can damage or harm their reputation or lower their character

it could also be that they live in denial. once i told my cancer guy that i have met somebody else and i am moving on and he didn't belive me at all, and when i got the guy to answer my phone when the cancer guy called he said that i got someone from the street to answer the phone on purpose.and it is true, he doean't want to know the things that he thinks may hurt him, he just brushes them away....or changes the subject

Yep. Sounds like a typical Cancer

I see it more like a protection of privacy than lying. There are times when people will just ask you somethings, which you would rather keep it private & when you refuse to tell them, they will keep probing for the answer. The only way to shove these nosy parker off, is to give them an answer, be it a lie. People who does not respect the privacy of other people, does not deserve any respect as well as the truth. Let a make-believe satisfy their curiosity.

It is very true, as mentioned above, whatever people doesnt know about you, will not harm you. I would not risk telling people things that they in turn will be able to use it against me. People are changeable. Today, they could be your friend, tomorrow, some disagreement & they can suddenly turn against you. Whatever you had shared, became a weapon against you.

We are just playing smart, playing safe.

to be honest what you are saying my dear flyingfoxes, tends to be my way of dealing with things too, it may be due to my moon in cancer, my cancer guy drives me crazy asking me over and over again till he gets an answer from me, but i don't like to that, i will only ask once....
question for you guys...how can you get a cancer to open up or tell/answer you certain questions, do you tell him that you love him and that you're his and then ask jokingly, or do you just ask?

"I would not risk telling people things that they in turn will be able to use it against me."

Very understandable. But the problem? Cancers can't stand when this very same thing happens to them. They HATE to be lied to. For some reason when they feel they have to lie, they justify it almost with that "I did it so I wouldn't hurt your feelings" creed, but the Minute someone uses the same philosophy on them, they don't want to hear any excuses. A Lie is a lie. Yes, people make mistakes but the problem is, Cancers don't realize that some people are more likely to lose more respect for the person that used Evil to do good (used a lie to salvage someone else's feelings).

"For some reason when they feel they have to lie, they justify it almost with that "I did it so I wouldn't hurt your feelings" creed, but the Minute someone uses the same philosophy on them, they don't want to hear any excuses."

Pure selfishness!!!

Exactly!

Call it selfish if you wish. I'd rather see it as self protection, as it is known that cancerians are born with many insecurities & deep fears. We lie, as many claimed, but seldom on general facts or truths, but perhaps, lie or hide things regarding ourselves, our feelings, our views towards many many things. I personally have gone through the experience of expressing my views on certain issues, & other people used my words for their own benefit, stirred up troubles & caused alot of dissension to the situations. In the end, I became the scapegoat. & When there are disharmony & dissension among people, the typical sensitive feelings of cancerians suffers. We cannot cope with this kind of emotional pressure. It sinks us into deep well of depression. So, lessons learnt. You can never be candid. Whatever opinion you hold, just keep it to yourself. If people probe, the best is just give a vague answer, remain neutral & brush them off.

Perhaps, that is one of the reason many people see cancerians or the water signs as mysterious & dark, deceptive or even conniving.

I do admit I lie quite alot, but most of the time, only on things about myself, that people are curious about. Until I can trust the person enough, then, I will open up & let the person know more about me, the true self.

I think to be friends with cancerians, it takes alot of time & patience, as well as the other parties' loyalty, integrity & trust-worthiness. It is quite common also that cancerians, on & off, never cease to surprise their friends, even friends for decades, about themselves.

Cancerians lie to others to protect themselves. Libras lie to themselves, so to be fair to others.

hm...Former is selfish, latter is selfless. In my perspective, both are not right. hahaha.

yes, this is how my cancer guy behaves, very rarely opens up and tells me things about his mum(she talks about her every time he sees me doing things around the house, or if i say something he goes-"that is what my mum says"), sometimes these things are very deep, but it understandable and i respect someone's privacy as i am the same.
so dear cancers please give me some advice with regards to what i aked previously:"question for you guys...how can you get a cancer to open up or tell/answer you certain questions, do you tell him that you love him and that you're his and then ask jokingly, or do you just ask?".many thanks

how can you get a cancer to open up or tell/answer you certain questions, do you tell him that you love him and that you're his and then ask jokingly, or do you just ask?".many thanks

Just ASK him! He will tell you if he wants you to know or he will brush the question off and just don't probe into it anymore.

Its a dead end. Tell him that you love him, but don't tell him you're his. You'll scare him. Just a simple "I am in love with you" or "I love you still" et cetera et cetera. Be candid & let him "FEEL" that you are honest with him. (I know, its not fair.)

thanks krobe03, i thought of that, but he is so reserved about his feelings,i almost feel that he is afraid of me, or he is afraid of telling me things with regards to "us" as a subject, unless it is something like "but you said you loved me, i have the text message to prove it".....he never ever says anything about how he feels..once he got very upset with the fact that i received a text message at 11.30pm, and he asked me 10 times that he wants to see the message....and then he said "don't worry if it is a love thing", he didn't give up till i showed it and then i explained that my estate agent wouldn't leave me alone, then we left it to that!!!what am i supposed to understand— can anybody understand anything—

I think everybody in any sign of the Zodiac tends to hide their feelings or bend the truth a little when need be, BUT the problem is Cancers can live by a DOUBLE STANDARD. Cancers get hurt so easily when they find out the information they've been given is even 1% untruthful & when they go into a "depression" or start almost expecting for others to deceive them it's not always because the WORLD are the liars; they are liars as well & can be their own worst enemy. When others feel hurt by a Cancer's bending of the truth (rather it's for their own good or for other's own good), Cancers react as if they do not use this same "protection mechanism" and THIS is what causes the misunderstanding of Cancers. Everyone lies, everyone bends the truth every once in a while, but I think Cancers would be more understood if they realized that the same feeling WE give to them (dishonesty) is the same feeling they give to us (justified)

I lie, because it's in my nature to. always done so. even as a kid. It's usually unintentional, but yeah.. it's in fear of how the other person will react or think. If it's someone I feel safe with I'll be more likely be honest, or at least lie and immediately tell the truth. 😛

Crabcake - that is called being a 'compulsive liar'.

You should see a professional therapist.

funny you should say that..

I think it is imperative to understand what are the things we lie about. If there are things, which we do not like to reveal, & was forced to reveal, & it does not in anyway improve the situation or has any concern to others, we have all rights to withhold the truth.

Its like...'leave us alone & don't bother us.'

Its like, there's people who claimed the existence of God, while I see no God. Yet, I can't say the person is lying. Many times, things are subject to personal experience, & rather empirical, I should say. Base on personal experience, people just react in the most natural responses, which they deemed as 'appropriate', without the intention to do harm.

A lie is a lie! Whether you do it to protect yourself or for some other pathetic reason, it is still a lie! It's a betrayal of trust at the end of the day!

Lying is lying. And the truth will always be the truth no matter how someone tries to bend it or detur it. I can come up with a million good reasons why it's EASIER (not better) to lie than it is to tell the truth. BUT, like I said, the only problem I have with Cancers is that when others give them the SAME excuse for lying to them, for some reason they cannot seem to comprehend that reasoning with others yet they fully understand it themselves. Lying is never a good thing & anytime lying is a daily part of your life, that's not something someone should be proud of or justify. Half of the time people spend so much time configuring lies that it only takes one person 5 minutes to figure out, so why it is understandable that some Cancers lie to keep others at far enough distance, they need to realize that more people lose respect for them when they see how much effort they are putting into to hiding something that was already CLEAR from the beginning. Cancers aren't the ONLY ones who know they are liars, other people know it too because it's obvious.

One thing I find interesting is that when in deep conversation Cancers are the firsts ones to come out of their shell & admit that they lie (for whatever reason) but at the end of the day, they HATE being labled as liars

I totally agree with
"the only problem I have with Cancers is that when others give them the SAME excuse for lying to them, for some reason they cannot seem to comprehend that reasoning with others yet they fully understand it themselves."

For cancers, it's ok to lie but not ok when lied to! Sorry, that's being selfish again! They want all your trust, but can't give you the benefit of the doubt....sorry, but that annoys me a LOT!

There's no such thing as absolute truth .... only personal perception

For example:

A friend could call me to talk and I could say not now because I am busy and hang up ... while alls I'm doing is just sitting here, looking out of the window.

To the friend who just called, this could be percieved as a lie, since to her being "busy" falls within a certain criteria of what she percieves as busy.

To me, I am busy .. I'm busy looking out of the window.


Everything is perspective .... everything

"Afterall my brother is somehow a pilot and my mother's knowledge is really as high as the degree she wanted to sell for truth."


Because this differs from your perception doesn't make it false. For example .. in your brothers mind, just having a license may constitute being a pilot. If a doctor never practiced medicine before in his life, but had a license to doso ... wouldn't he still think he should be considered in having this title? In the job market, to have the same amount of years gaining knowledge and experience in a field is acceptable as being equivelant to a college degree. Let's say your mother knows everything inside and out to be an accountant without the college degree ... does the absence of the degree mean she isn't an accountant? If she has the higher-knowledge that is equivalent to a degree, than in her mind, she conquered the educational requirements to obtain this degree.

Perspective ....

Cancers get emotionally drained easily, they love to hide in their little shells for retreat every once in a while. Many times, the outside world just doesn't understand how IMPORTANT this is to them. I've once, went out with a friend. Suddenly, I felt breathless, & I wanted to go out alone, just be alone. So the then 'stoopid' me, lied to her that I needed to make a phone call, thinking that she will excuse me. But, She doesnt get it. She wants to come with me. Later, I just have to tell her that, I just needed to have a breather alone. & She was hurt, & said that "YOU LIED TO ME?".......Well, it was quite a learning process to me. For me, the objective was, to be alone. Whatever excuse that was used to obtain that objective, does not matter as long as the objective was a harmless one.

But, it later occured to me that, there are people, who really do mind alot. I don't know, if it could have been better that I simply tell her "Sorry, I need to go out alone, please don't come with me. Cos' I needed the space."

If I may add, most of the time, I always get the questions of "Why can't I come with you? Why do you need to be alone? Are you trying to do something behind me back?" ...

& eventually, I will just come up with any excuse to let me have the little space I need.

so typical,i really understand when people need their space and i respect that, i feel the same way, when i am not given that space i take it regardless, even if i have to lie, unfortunatelly there are some people that do not undersatnd that "space thing", it is nothing personal it is just that the emotions are very intense in one way or another and need to reestablish a balance.....(my moon is in cancer-in case you were wondering)

I don't know if it is only the cancers, or if its quite common in other signs as well, that in day-to-day dealing, we put on a mask. We have relationships, with colleagues, family, friends, lovers. Those whom we do not have a deep relationship with, we don't bare our souls to them.

Why must I reveal so much of myself, to those whom I hold only a superficial relationship? While for those whom I hold in esteem, in love with, or respect, I will reveal to them. If not, for those people whom I could care less, I don't care if they catch I am lying or not. They caught me lying, fine, because I have never had the slightest intention of telling them the truth from the beginning, & you got the answer because of inquisitiveness.

Perhaps, it is quite true that people sometimes mention that knowing a cancer, is "what you see, is not what you get." Like a crab, if you remove the shell, I can tell you that it is dead meat. & I guess no crabs wants to be in that state.

flyingfoxes, this sounds so serious....."Like a crab, if you remove the shell, I can tell you that it is dead meat. & I guess no crabs wants to be in that state." it is understandable, i will never reveal my true self to anyone, that is why i am always confident and have "a phoenix like" quality....i will never expose myself 100% , to work colleagues and frinds i don't really care what they think/want but not even to the ones that i care about-perhaps a 80-90% but never 100%

Above postings mentioned that Cancers lie, yet hate to be lied to. So, it seemed that the liars are not only cancerians, hahaha...& of course, that's for sure that whoever being lied to, will get mad, be it cancerians or not. If not, there will not be other signs here commenting on cancerians being liars.

Well we never said that ONLY Cancers were lying. We were discussing how Cancers tend to justify their ability to use lying alot as something integrated into their personality for THEIR benefit. And I do completely understand the space thing, everybody needs space but no matter how much we discuss this LYING is never a good thing no matter how or why you need to lie. Just like Cancers want others to understand their need for space, they need to also realize that some take being lied to VERY offensive. And I am one of those people. Sure, the person's feelings might've been hurt if you would've told them the truth. But weigh both options...Me? I would've been MORE mad & felt more disrespected if I found out I was being lied to. Sure, everybody lies, & everybody every once in a while tends to bend the truth just to get by in the moment, but in reality, it's not fair to those like me who just want honesty. I agree that NOT everybody can handle the truth or honesty, but there are still 10 million people that CAN handle it. I've had to let go of 2 good Cancer friends of mine, not because they were bad friends, but because they let their lying get too extreme, not realizing that that their lying destroys them longterm & only helps them in the moment.

"We were discussing how Cancers tend to justify their ability to use lying alot as something integrated into their personality for THEIR benefit."

Any specific example?

We lies to benefit, that make sense. No one tell lies for fun...(hm, ok, maybe the boy who cries wolf)

On the flip side, maybe cancers are just damn bad liars who always got caught, while other people totally integrated the lies into their personality and no one catch them lying. Hahaha.

"Maybe hes got a lot of scorpio and libra in him haha."

Not that I know of. Here's his mini chart:

Sun: Cancer
Moon: Sagittarius (his lying surprises me b/c of this placement)
Venus: Virgo
Mars: Cancer
Mercury: Leo (I think)

Here's mine (not that it really matters):

Sun: Capricorn
Moon: Sagittarius
Venus: Sagittarius/Scorpio cusp (I was born during the switch over)
Mars: Libra
Mercury: Capricorn

"Any specific example?
We lies to benefit, that make sense. No one tell lies for fun...(hm, ok, maybe the boy who cries wolf)
"On the flip side, maybe cancers are just damn bad liars who always got caught, while other people totally integrated the lies into their personality and no one catch them lying. Hahaha."

I NEVER Said ONLY Cancers are liars. Everybody has lied before & most people from ALL of the signs in the Zodiac lie. It just shows that some people pick out what they want to pick out. Regardless, my point is not to say ONLY Cancers lie. My point is to put emphasis of why people in different signs lie. For example, Cancers might lie alot (not because they are evil people but because they may not want to completely open up to another person on a specific subject/situation), while A Scorpio on the other hand might normally lie the MOST to those they don't trust. Different signs in the Zodiac (when it comes to lying) have different ways & different meanings for why they lie, no different than there are differences in how people in specific signs in the Zodiac Love


Have you NOT been reading the responses in this thread? Instead of sitting here listing them all out, I'm going to let you go ahead & take another look at all the 4 pages of discussions. Every time I've responded in this post dealt with an example someone else used to explain why Cancers tell certain lies & why they lie/bend the truth for YES, their own benefit (to not hurt someone's feelings or because they don't feel like telling someone the whole truth).

It would be interesting to know, under what circumstances other signs lie as well. How different is that? I mean, I am pretty clueless, besides myself, which of course I know, & siblings, I am totally clueless under what circumstances other signs lie, not even my friends.

''My Cancer brother tells her Scorpio wife he goes to the library. Then he goes to my parents' home.''

Your brother has to lie to his wife in order to see his own parents...?


Weird.

Most probably...

I have read somewhere that Scorpio will fall in love with Cancer 10 times more than Cancer will Scorpio.

Scorpio's don't fall in love .. they obsess over the idea of having complete unconditional loyalty as if it's an object, and then proceed to apply it onto another .. they are in love with the conquest of being able to secure this victory obsessively, and not the actual person.

Then once gained .... "it" becomes a possession.

I lie...a lot. I like to keep people barking down the wrong trail. Throw them off the scent if u will. I absolutely love moving in silence. I only talk about my real objective AFTER I've accomplished it.

I lie...a lot. I like to keep people barking down the wrong trail. Throw them off the scent if u will. I absolutely love moving in silence. I only talk about my real objective AFTER I've accomplished it.

I can dig this! 😉

I think I understand this part. Always keeping your thoughts & objective unknown, in case, there comes obstacles by others who intentionally foil your plan.

Also, there's no pointing in telling people too much, if things are not concrete & has not been achieved. Whatever has not been done, is just plain talk. Whatever has been done, that is the result. Undisputable.